Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion # 863 1/13/12 - 2/07/12

[Tamikosmom]

Joran wants to return to 'luxury cell'

 Joran wants to go back to the Castro Castro prison. This is his lawyer Jose Jimenez Tuesday reported to the ANP.

 Van der Sloot after his conviction was transferred to another prison. Jimenez has now filed a request for transfer to INPE, the Institute of Penitentiary Institutions in Peru, with the support that Van der Sloot is no danger to other prisoners.

 Luxury goods
 Also reports on Peruvian television on luxury items that Van der Sloot's cell in Castro Castro were found, he refers to the realm of fiction. The lawyer expects to ten days of the INPE answer about a possible return to prison.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.bnr.nl/meernieuws/233618-1202/joran-wil-terug-naar-luxe-cel

The realm of fiction?  Not according to Stephany's father.

Janet

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Saturday, January 14, 2012
Peru court sentences Van der Sloot to 28 years

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A jail isn't a five-star hotel," Ricardo Flores told reporters. "Since the first day, we've been complaining about the excessive privileges" Van der Sloot allegedly enjoyed in jail.

Unconfirmed news reports, denied by penal authorities, say Van der Sloot has had a cell phone, television, a video gaming console and Internet access in his cell. A Peruvian TV station published a photo Friday it says was taken by Van der Sloot himself of his prison cell that shows a 42-inch LCD television, a Blu-ray player and an Internet modem.

Flores said that "everything they showed on the TV has been proven" but that he would not have documentation of it to present to the news media until Monday.

Van der Sloot's attorney, Jose Jimenez, said he is not familiar with his client's prison cell.

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017229687.html

[jamcakes]

Does Joran have internet access at Piedros Gordas?

This just posted on his personal FB page today.


Joran Vandersloot:
goedendag
Like · · 34 minutes ago ·

[jamcakes]

Does Joran have internet access at Piedros Gordas?

This just posted on his personal FB page today.


Joran Vandersloot:
goedendag
Like · · 34 minutes ago ·

oops -  here's the link:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002440324552

[Tamikosmom]

Somehow I believe that at Piedras Gordas Prison ... Joran van der Sloot will continue to receive perks reserved for those who have advocates in high places.

However ... when all is said and done ... at this moment in time ... Joran does not have his freedom and ... that is a very good thing.  Other Natalees and Stephanys are not at risk.

Janet

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Piedras Gordas Prison

Peru Court Sentences Van Der Sloot to 28 Years
LIMA, Peru January 13, 2012 (AP)

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Late Friday, prison authorities told the AP that Van der Sloot had been transferred to the high-security Piedras Gordas prison in northern Lima in response to reports that he had enjoyed privileges like television, internet access and a cell phone in Castro Castro prison. Piedras Gordas holds local crime bosses and terrorism convicts, including Shining Path guerrillas.

"He will be in an individual cell at Piedras Gordas to give authorities greater control of him and cut off some of the facilities he has had in Castro Castro," said prison service spokeswoman Janeth Sanchez.

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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/court-sentence-van-der-sloot-murder-15354004

[texasmom]

Does Joran have internet access at Piedros Gordas?

This just posted on his personal FB page today.


Joran Vandersloot:
goedendag
Like · · 34 minutes ago ·

oops -  here's the link:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002440324552

That's not his original page, probably not him at all imo.

[texasmom]

At some point with all her theatrics, I would think it could be deemed that Mary Hamer is attempting to interfere with justice.

I think she should be brought up on charges if she doesn't cease and desist from all her activities immediately.

 

[jamcakes]

Move over Joran, you've got company.  hee hee

It's dated 2/2/12
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=389388&CategoryId=14095

High-Profile Peru Prisoners Moved Over Tsunami Threat

LIMA – Peru’s most heavily guarded prisoners – the founder of the Shining Path guerrilla group, Abimael Guzman, and the spy chief of former President Alberto Fujimori, Vladimiro Montesinos – were evacuated from the maximum-security prison at El Callao naval base under the threat of a possible tsunami.

The National Penitentiary Institute said on Saturday that both prisoners were moved Friday to the Piedras Gordas Prison at Ancon Bay north of Lima, also a maximum-security jail.

Moved along with them were other notorious prisoners, including the leader of the Tupac Amaru Revolutionary Movement, Victor Polay, and other inmates and staff at the base, which was completely evacuated.
 ::snipping2::

The Maoist-inspired Shining Path launched its uprising on May 17, 1980, with an attack on Chuschi, a small town in Ayacucho province, and is blamed for most of the nearly 70,000 deaths a truth commission ascribed to politically motivated violence over the ensuing two decades.

Guzman, known to his fanatic followers as “President Gonzalo,” was captured with his top lieutenants on Sept. 12, 1992, an event that marked the “defeat” of the insurgency, although some Shining Path remnants still operate in parts of Peru.

Montesinos is serving long sentences for corruption and human rights abuses during Fujimori’s 1990-2000 tenure, while the former president himself is also behind bars.
 ::snipping2::

[Kermit]

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #808 3/17/09am -
« Reply #209 on: March 17, 2009, 11:24:02 PM »

I'm sick.  Yes, I beleive this person is Capslock:

Anonimo
Submitted on 2007/12/23 at 1:48am
I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course. From the 3 kids and the father there is defently manipolation of the Law Book. no doubt about that. But from the Famaly and the account of what was going on in Aruba, This women never show a tear for her daughter in Aruba. It all on tape and beeing research/observed ask we speak but there is also a lot of more info comming forth now that are beein looked at in terms of logic events… we know that for every case there is a play book and it beeing re-examined … what makes it more interesting is that the bank where the funds. .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4697.msg724765;topicseen#msg724765

Kermit ... You whoo!!

For over a year Caps was able to deceive many Monkeys on the SM Natalee Holloway forum.  However ... on March 17, 2009 ... it was Lifesong who exposed what all had overlooked.  Capslockwizard and Anonimo were one!  Many of Caps' following broke rank with him when the deception was revealed but ... others did not.  Why?

Ribbit!

Janet

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CapsLockWizard
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2873 on: February 28, 2008, 11:24:57 PM »

My PhD. Degree, I had to write a a Logic Thesis Report title "The LOGIC Question Report" for graduation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1952.msg357022#msg357022

Hi-ho!

Do you want the spiritual answer or the psychological answer to your question?
Spritually - Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just

Psychologically: You often see one of those individuals in particular post: "you're evil"
He uses this defense mechanism to deny his own impulses when exposed by others. In other words, he does
what normal society thinks of as evil things and he projects onto others they are evil rather then face his own truth that he is doing evil things to other people and when caught he justifies his actions.
Nothing justifies his illegal behavior imo.  He gets satisfaction by attacking others or projecting his faults onto others. And
if he can keep people looking at anyone but him, he thinks they won't figure out the truth of what he does that is wrong.
It's like a shell came - look over there! And not at the slight of hand going on.


Then there is the individual whom I watched and thought was a kind person, and I didn't understand why others attacked her.  When I saw posts about her on Ringo's site - I honestly kept to my own opinion of her because she had not done anything that I was aware of and kept a relationship with her. UNTIL I saw her in a chat room attacking me and going along with the other individuals lies. I realized in that moment that what the other people said/posted about her was true. That saddened me to some extent.

I know you are trying to come to some understanding of why people do what they do,
But when someone shows you who they are - believe them! That's the best answer I can give you.

ribbit

[Tamikosmom]

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #808 3/17/09am -
« Reply #209 on: March 17, 2009, 11:24:02 PM »

I'm sick.  Yes, I beleive this person is Capslock:

Anonimo
Submitted on 2007/12/23 at 1:48am
I am a Logic Professor and I am telling you all that from both side of the coin there is events that do not compute and follows normal nature course. From the 3 kids and the father there is defently manipolation of the Law Book. no doubt about that. But from the Famaly and the account of what was going on in Aruba, This women never show a tear for her daughter in Aruba. It all on tape and beeing research/observed ask we speak but there is also a lot of more info comming forth now that are beein looked at in terms of logic events… we know that for every case there is a play book and it beeing re-examined … what makes it more interesting is that the bank where the funds. .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4697.msg724765;topicseen#msg724765

Kermit ... You whoo!!

For over a year Caps was able to deceive many Monkeys on the SM Natalee Holloway forum.  However ... on March 17, 2009 ... it was Lifesong who connected the dots and exposed what all had overlooked.  Capslockwizard and Anonimo were one!  Many of Caps' following broke rank with him when the deception was revealed but ... others did not.  Why?

Ribbit!

Janet

<snipped>

Hi Kermit!

Do you know or what is your opinion.

Thanks

Janet

[klaasend]

Does Joran have internet access at Piedros Gordas?

This just posted on his personal FB page today.


Joran Vandersloot:
goedendag
Like · · 34 minutes ago ·

oops -  here's the link:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002440324552

That's not his original page, probably not him at all imo.

I agree - fake not him

[Tamikosmom]

Hi-ho!

Do you want the spiritual answer or the psychological answer to your question?
Spritually - Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just

Psychologically: You often see one of those individuals in particular post: "you're evil"
He uses this defense mechanism to deny his own impulses when exposed by others. In other words, he does
what normal society thinks of as evil things and he projects onto others they are evil rather then face his own truth that he is doing evil things to other people and when caught he justifies his actions.
Nothing justifies his illegal behavior imo.  He gets satisfaction by attacking others or projecting his faults onto others. And
if he can keep people looking at anyone but him, he thinks they won't figure out the truth of what he does that is wrong.
It's like a shell came - look over there! And not at the slight of hand going on.


Then there is the individual whom I watched and thought was a kind person, and I didn't understand why others attacked her.  When I saw posts about her on Ringo's site - I honestly kept to my own opinion of her because she had not done anything that I was aware of and kept a relationship with her. UNTIL I saw her in a chat room attacking me and going along with the other individuals lies. I realized in that moment that what the other people said/posted about her was true. That saddened me to some extent.

I know you are trying to come to some understanding of why people do what they do,
But when someone shows you who they are - believe them! That's the best answer I can give you.

ribbit

Thanks Kermit.

I was hoping for an answer more concrete.  Considering your indepth research on the topic ... maybe there just isn't one.

Could it be that Caps presence on the forum in December 2007 and the Persistence betrayal and then ... the upholding of John Silvetti ... are all intertwined?

It is hard to comprehend that when the Anonimo/CapsLockWizard connection was exposed by Lifesong in 2009 that ALL Caps' loyal followers on the SM Natalee Holloway forum did not get out of line ... especially when Anonimo's comments on the FP revealed an agenda to distance the the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 by undermining the motives of Natalee's mother and stepfather.

Ribbit

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Anonimo aka CapsLockWizard

Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!
 
Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832)

[Tamikosmom]

Weird

 

An alter-ego commenting in an attempt to further an agenda on the same FP article?

Janet

+++++

Anonimo aka CapsLockWizard

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

22.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm
26.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:41 pm
27.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:45 pm
29.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:51 pm
31.Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:56 pm
39.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:33 am
41.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 1:48 am
43.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:27 am
44.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 2:30 am
48.Anonimo on December 23rd, 2007 4:19 am

71.Capslockwizard on December 23rd, 2007 7:44 pm
73.Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 2:38 am
75.Capslockwizard on December 24th, 2007 3:03 am
76.Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:22 am
77.Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:31 am
78.Capslockwizard on December 25th, 2007 3:52 am

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

[Kermit]

Hi-ho!

Do you want the spiritual answer or the psychological answer to your question?
Spritually - Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just

Psychologically: You often see one of those individuals in particular post: "you're evil"
He uses this defense mechanism to deny his own impulses when exposed by others. In other words, he does
what normal society thinks of as evil things and he projects onto others they are evil rather then face his own truth that he is doing evil things to other people and when caught he justifies his actions.
Nothing justifies his illegal behavior imo.  He gets satisfaction by attacking others or projecting his faults onto others. And
if he can keep people looking at anyone but him, he thinks they won't figure out the truth of what he does that is wrong.
It's like a shell came - look over there! And not at the slight of hand going on.


Then there is the individual whom I watched and thought was a kind person, and I didn't understand why others attacked her.  When I saw posts about her on Ringo's site - I honestly kept to my own opinion of her because she had not done anything that I was aware of and kept a relationship with her. UNTIL I saw her in a chat room attacking me and going along with the other individuals lies. I realized in that moment that what the other people said/posted about her was true. That saddened me to some extent.

I know you are trying to come to some understanding of why people do what they do,
But when someone shows you who they are - believe them! That's the best answer I can give you.

ribbit

Thanks Kermit.

I was hoping for an answer more concrete.  Considering your indepth research on the topic ... maybe there just isn't one.

Could it be that Caps presence on the forum in December 2007 and the Persistence betrayal and then ... the upholding of John Silvetti ... are all intertwined?

It is hard to comprehend that when the Anonimo/CapsLockWizard connection was exposed by Lifesong in 2009 that ALL Caps' loyal followers on the SM Natalee Holloway forum did not get out of line ... especially when Anonimo's comments on the FP revealed an agenda to distance the the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 by undermining the motives of Natalee's mother and stepfather.

Ribbit

Janet

I'm not sure I understand your question.
Are you questioning why former members of SM stand by Caps and his buddies or are you questioning why Caps & his buddies
were side-tracking the search going on with the Persistence?

[klaasend]

http://www.cbs12.com/news/natalee-4738571-beth-world.html

EXCLUSIVE: Beth Holloway's crime prevention program
February 02, 2012 5:59 PM
WPEC - CBS12.com

BOCA RATON, Fla. -- Beth Holloway's world turned upside down on May 30, 2005 when she got a call that her daughter Natalee did not make her flight home from a senior trip to Aruba. Her tragedy made headlines around the world and her book "Loving Natalee" was made into two Lifetime movies.

As part of her healing, Beth spent a lot of time traveling the country talking to high school and college students about travel safety and sharing Natalee's story. She was the guest speaker at Thursday's Heart of a Woman luncheon for AVDA, Aid to Victims of Domestic Abuse.

"That's what's has been rewarding to me and to see the students receive the message. It's so well received and the students are always terrific and coming up and thanking me after it. So to me, that is what helped in this healing process," said Beth.

Beth also created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help families who have missing loved ones in those first crucial hours and days. She turned the desperation she faced while searching for Natalee into an important safety message called Mayday 360.

Read more: http://www.cbs12.com/articles/natalee-4738571-beth-world.html#ixzz1lHS6RYkA

 ::snipping2::

[grace-land]

http://www.cbs12.com/news/natalee-4738571-beth-world.html

EXCLUSIVE: Beth Holloway's crime prevention program
February 02, 2012 5:59 PM
WPEC - CBS12.com

BOCA RATON, Fla. -- Beth Holloway's world turned upside down on May 30, 2005 when she got a call that her daughter Natalee did not make her flight home from a senior trip to Aruba. Her tragedy made headlines around the world and her book "Loving Natalee" was made into two Lifetime movies.

As part of her healing, Beth spent a lot of time traveling the country talking to high school and college students about travel safety and sharing Natalee's story. She was the guest speaker at Thursday's Heart of a Woman luncheon for AVDA, Aid to Victims of Domestic Abuse.

"That's what's has been rewarding to me and to see the students receive the message. It's so well received and the students are always terrific and coming up and thanking me after it. So to me, that is what helped in this healing process," said Beth.

Beth also created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help families who have missing loved ones in those first crucial hours and days. She turned the desperation she faced while searching for Natalee into an important safety message called Mayday 360.

Read more: http://www.cbs12.com/articles/natalee-4738571-beth-world.html#ixzz1lHS6RYkA

 ::snipping2::

 

[grace-land]

I tried to use the "search feature" to see if the video had been posted before..but no luck. lol
Anyway, I enjoyed watching the video at the link. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsz0HjfEHsQ

Joran van der Sloot 's new prison - the old PIEDRAS GORDAS Prison nr 1

Uploaded by cCementia on Jan 15, 2012

[Tamikosmom]

I'm not sure I understand your question.
 
Are you questioning why former members of SM stand by Caps and his buddies or are you questioning why Caps & his buddies
were side-tracking the search going on with the Persistence?

Yes!  Once the dots were connnected and it was exposed that Anonimo and CapsLockWizard were one ... I would have thought that all Monkeys who followed Caps theories for over a year would have gotten off his bandwagon ... especially when the contents of Anonimo's comments on the FP were considered ... comments that despicably undermined the mother and stepfather of Natalee Holloway.  However ... some Monkeys continued to uphold Caps.  Why?

Janet

++++++

Now Aruban Prosecutor Says “Holloway case in ‘new phase” … New Phase of not Investigating

Posted December 22, 2007 by Scared Monkeys

Anonimo on December 22nd, 2007 11:17 pm

Ladies and Gentlemen;

I have been looking for some place where I could leave some of my comments without leaving my name. We still have people in Alabama who will burn things down if things don’t go their way.

Without using any four letter words I can assure all of you have some valid points in expressing what you think happened. There are a lot of people out here who feel the same way. There are still a lot of questions which need answering.

I can assure you that the FBI is aware of all your concerns. They are looking at it from every angle. What happened in Aruba was supposed to have stayed in Aruba. Then the cameras showed up! This was when Beth knew they were in trouble. Her words, not mine.

As soon as the FBI can make an Alabama connection the case will become a federal case. You did see how fast the Investigators up here put the finger on those three college boys who burned down those churches didn’t you?

Well, I waited 16 months to find something which I can confide my suspicions in.

There were over a million comments posted on the Internet during this period. I feel that someone with a computer and a little knowledge about the teen who vanished in Aruba will also confide in this web site as long as they can be sure their idenity is safe.

Some other school mates who either saw, or heard, something about what happened down there.

I believe this enough that I am willing to stick my neck out and start posting some of the things I know about the case which have not been brought up on any of those cable news networks.

But first ask your self this question ? why is Beth and Jug no longer together. I, too, have asked that question. I think Jug butted out when Beth went running all over the country promoting this International Safe Travels thing. She lost a lot of her support here.

Some things are a matter of public record. Marrages, divorces, and ownership of property. Do you know what a prenup. is?

The reason why it was kept in Aruba is because as long as it stays down there the FBI can’t toutch it. If a connection with the USA can be made, then it will become a federal case.

The mother took the daughter to some meetings on how to behave in a foreign country. Then she dropped her off at a friend’s house for the flight to Aruba.

Then the socer mom took off with two friends to a lake house in Hot Springs, AK 5 hours north of B’Ham! And for three days no contact with Aruba. Then for 4-5 hours after the teen did not show up for muster the mother gets a call from one of the adults on the trip.
Question. How is it possible that the mom can make the same day flight to Aruba while on the same day the kid was missing? How quick she was to get everything together, travel 5 hour from Hot Spring, pack, make a sign, and flight to Aruba.
Question. When she arrived in Aruba, what Written Sign She was holding in Her Hand?
“MY DAUGHTER WAS KIDNAPED SIGN”

How did she know she was kiddnaped…?? Answer these questions please.

If the mother had of wanted to lollygag around a pool some where she could have gone on the trip too if she was that concerned about the safety of her daughter.

Two of the girl’s step cousins were on the same trip. Don’t you think they were the designated drivers? Or the look outs? One even fingered Joran as having played cards with some of the teens from MB.

Has any one of you ever been on a beach alone with a young woman? Have you ever tried to get a drunk to do something they didn’t want to? Then join the Army and travel a little. You’ll see.

This is all for now. If I get some response then I will start asking the hard questions the cable news didn’t ask. You can ask some good questions too. The good ones will be forwarded to the FBI in Alabama who are working on it too.
Nathalie Price $1000.000.00 and second price 250.000.00 to tell something
A Long time has past and the poor people in Aruba never came to claim the price… Aruban, Dutch, American, Surinam living in an expensive island where 50.000 are over 50 yr old and where 25000 are of school age and 50000 65yr and up on pension and none of them will like to win the lottery. Ask yourself why?
Is it that because they have to much casino and 1,000.000.00 will not make a difference or is it that they have done so much money laundry that they do not need a million or so to boost up their portfolio or is it that they are so corrupt that they do not see a Million Dollar…???????

The reason they are not coming forward is that no-one has seen or hear anything
or is it that they are afraid of the 3 alleged perps that have hurts their island so much that they are afraid of them?,

or is it this question
IS IT THAT THIS IS ALL A FABRICATION FOR AN INSURANCE CLAIM AFTER 5 OR 10 YEARS?

Where the players are all connected and waiting for time to tick away to 2010.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/22/now-aruban-prosecutor-says-holloway-case-in-new-phase-new-phase-of-not-investigating/

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.cbs12.com/news/natalee-4738571-beth-world.html

EXCLUSIVE: Beth Holloway's crime prevention program
February 02, 2012 5:59 PM
WPEC - CBS12.com

BOCA RATON, Fla. -- Beth Holloway's world turned upside down on May 30, 2005 when she got a call that her daughter Natalee did not make her flight home from a senior trip to Aruba. Her tragedy made headlines around the world and her book "Loving Natalee" was made into two Lifetime movies.

As part of her healing, Beth spent a lot of time traveling the country talking to high school and college students about travel safety and sharing Natalee's story. She was the guest speaker at Thursday's Heart of a Woman luncheon for AVDA, Aid to Victims of Domestic Abuse.

"That's what's has been rewarding to me and to see the students receive the message. It's so well received and the students are always terrific and coming up and thanking me after it. So to me, that is what helped in this healing process," said Beth.

Beth also created the Natalee Holloway Resource Center to help families who have missing loved ones in those first crucial hours and days. She turned the desperation she faced while searching for Natalee into an important safety message called Mayday 360.

Read more: http://www.cbs12.com/articles/natalee-4738571-beth-world.html#ixzz1lHS6RYkA

 ::snipping2::

Thanks Klaas.

Janet

[jamcakes]

http://www.artofliving.org/us-en/gift-yoga-mat

The gift of a yoga mat

At the outset of a prisoner rehabilitation course in Peru’s Piedras Gordas Prison, the prisoners were given a gift: a yoga mat.

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The process and meditation techniques taught to the mix of inmates (between 18-28 years) left an impact. Most of them reported better sleep quality, felt calmer and more enthusiastic. Like more prisoners, the group who underwent the course rarely has any visitors or relatives. The regret, aggression and confusion festering inside are reflected in the weather outside on Ancon Beach in north Lima: extreme cold and excruciating summers.

 ::snipping2:: ::snipping2::

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"the weather outside on Ancon Beach in north Lima: extreme cold and excruciating summers"

Feb in Peru = summer
June n Peru = winter

SUFFER Joran!