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« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2012, 07:24:17 AM »

TY for the updates MB,
a horrific tragedy that could have been avoided
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« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2012, 09:22:33 AM »

http://www.cruise-community.com/News/News-Headlines/Carnival-Corp.-plc-initiates-safety-audit-across-all-its-brands.html

Carnival Corp. & plc initiates safety audit across all its brands


http://www.cruise-community.com/News/News-Headlines/Cruise-industry-calls-on-IMO-to-undertake-thorough-evaluation-of-Costa-Concordia-investigation.html

Cruise industry calls on IMO to undertake thorough evaluation of Costa Concordia investigation


Just wanted to share some of the action plans for reviews and changes that will occur with the view to prevent something like this from ever happening again Sad 

It should NEVER have happened in the first place. IMO = International Maritime Organization, a governing body for the industry and SOLAS (International Convention for Safety of Life at Sea)

I 'think' this is a public link - I don't think I can paste any of the article due to the statement printed below?

© Copyright 2012 Seatrade Communications Limited. Replication or redistribution in whole or in part is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Seatrade Communications Limited.
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« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2012, 09:53:26 AM »


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16646639
Costa Concordia operation halted amid weather threat
January 20, 2012

The rescue operation aboard the Costa Concordia has been suspended once again after the wreck shifted on the sea ledge on which it rests.

It is the third time the search has been called off, amid fears the ship could suddenly slip into deeper water.

Choppy waters have been hampering the work of rescue teams and weather conditions are expected to worsen.

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At least 11 people died after the Costa Concordia ran aground off Italy's coast exactly a week ago with some 4,200 people on board.

Twenty-one people are still missing, and hopes of finding any of them alive are fading fast.

The ship's movements have twice before interrupted the work of rescuers, with the search suspended almost all day on Wednesday.

More movement on Friday forced rescuers on board the vessel and divers working in the waters around it to stop work, said a spokesman for the coastguard, Cosima Nicastro.

Investigations were under way to assess the danger posed by the ship's instability, he said.

The ship may have only moved by a metre or as little as a few centimetres, but officials are wary of any movement that could push it into much deeper water nearby, says the BBC's Alan Johnston at the scene.
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But hopes that any survivors remain on board the wreck have faded and pressure is building to move into the recovery phase of the operation.
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Capt Schettino is under house arrest on suspicion of multiple manslaughter.

The owners say he was sailing too close to Giglio on an unauthorised course.

Prosecutors have also accused him of fleeing the ship before evacuation was complete. He denies the accusations.
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The company that owns the ship, Costa Cruises, has suspended Capt Schettino and withdrawn an offer to pay his legal costs, according to reports.
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List of dead and missing

    Confirmed dead: Sandor Feher, Hungary, crew; French nationals Pierre Gregoire, Jeanne Gannard, Jean-Pierre Micheaud, Francis Servil, passengers; Italian Giovanni Masia, passenger; Spaniard Guillermo Gual, passenger; Peruvian Thomas Alberto Costilla Mendoza, crew.
    Missing: 21 people plus three unidentified bodies. Nationalities as follows: 12 Germans, six Italians (including one crew member), two French, two Americans, one Peruvian (crew), one Indian (crew)
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« Reply #63 on: January 20, 2012, 01:58:40 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16660403
Costa Concordia search operation resumes
January 20, 2012

The rescue operation aboard the Costa Concordia has resumed after bad weather caused a delay of several hours.

Rescuers were forced to stop work when choppy conditions threatened to shift the wreck off its rocky perch into deeper water.

It was the third time the operation had been called off since the ship ran aground off Italy's coast a week ago.

Hopes are fading for the 21 people still missing. Eleven are known to have died.

"The ship has stabilised and the search on the upper part of the vessel is resuming," Italian navy spokesman Alessandro Busonero told AFP news agency on Friday.

Coastguard spokesman Cosimo Nicastro said divers would assess conditions in the submerged part of the ship on Saturday.

He said the search would focus on the third deck where the luxury cruise ship's lifeboats were.

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« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2012, 02:00:16 PM »

http://www.cruise-community.com/News/News-Headlines/Carnival-Corp.-plc-initiates-safety-audit-across-all-its-brands.html

Carnival Corp. & plc initiates safety audit across all its brands


http://www.cruise-community.com/News/News-Headlines/Cruise-industry-calls-on-IMO-to-undertake-thorough-evaluation-of-Costa-Concordia-investigation.html

Cruise industry calls on IMO to undertake thorough evaluation of Costa Concordia investigation


Just wanted to share some of the action plans for reviews and changes that will occur with the view to prevent something like this from ever happening again Sad 

It should NEVER have happened in the first place. IMO = International Maritime Organization, a governing body for the industry and SOLAS (International Convention for Safety of Life at Sea)

I 'think' this is a public link - I don't think I can paste any of the article due to the statement printed below?

© Copyright 2012 Seatrade Communications Limited. Replication or redistribution in whole or in part is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Seatrade Communications Limited.

Thank you for the link Sharon. 
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« Reply #65 on: January 20, 2012, 02:34:10 PM »

I am just so sure that there will be survivors..just a strong hopeful feeling that I have...
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« Reply #66 on: January 20, 2012, 02:36:52 PM »

I saw on the news that they are going to search the cabins that are above the water now..could be people there...
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« Reply #67 on: January 20, 2012, 02:57:28 PM »

I am just so sure that there will be survivors..just a strong hopeful feeling that I have...

I pray you are correct Sad

If I hear anything, I will post it.

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« Reply #68 on: January 20, 2012, 10:14:25 PM »


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Global-News/2012/0120/Costa-Concordia-wreck-What-we-know-a-week-later
Costa Concordia wreck: What we know a week later
Many details have emerged about what happened before and after the Costa Concordia ran aground on Jan. 13, but it's still unclear what the captain was doing much of that time.
By Robert Marquand, Staff writer
January 20, 2012

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« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2012, 07:56:01 AM »

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/21/10204464-divers-blast-more-holes-resume-desperate-search-as-cruise-ship-stabilizes

Divers resumed the search of the wreckage of the capsized Costa Concordia after data indicated the cruise ship had stabilized in the sea off Tuscany.

Italian coastguard spokesman Cosimo Nicastro told NBC News Saturday that the navy had punctured two holes in the carcass of the ship, which has been lying on its side near the port of Giglio island since shortly after it crashed into a reef on Jan. 13.

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« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2012, 10:53:18 AM »

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/21/10204464-divers-blast-more-holes-resume-desperate-search-as-cruise-ship-stabilizes

Divers resumed the search of the wreckage of the capsized Costa Concordia after data indicated the cruise ship had stabilized in the sea off Tuscany.

Italian coastguard spokesman Cosimo Nicastro told NBC News Saturday that the navy had punctured two holes in the carcass of the ship, which has been lying on its side near the port of Giglio island since shortly after it crashed into a reef on Jan. 13.

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Thank you for the update Sharon.  I hope the weather holds a bit longer and the divers are able to do their work safely to find the missing people on the ship.  After such a passage of time and the conditions I think it would be a miracle to find anyone still alive, but I'm going to hope for such a miracle.  From last count, I believe there are eleven confirmed dead and twenty one still missing.  I haven't seen an accounting for the total injured.  Just terrible.  The passengers and crew of the Costa Concordia deserved so much better. 
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« Reply #71 on: January 21, 2012, 11:01:03 AM »

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/21/10204464-womans-body-found-aboard-stricken-italian-cruise-ship
Woman's body found aboard stricken Italian cruise ship
January 21, 2012

By NBC News and msnbc.com news services

Updated at 10:20 a.m. ET: GIGLIO, Italy -- Italian Coast Guard divers on Saturday found a woman's body in a corridor of a submerged section of the capsized Costa Concordia, raising to at least 12 the number of dead in the cruise liner accident.

Coast Guard Cmdr. Cosimo Nicastro told The Associated Press that the body, wearing a life jacket, was found in a narrow corridor near an evacuation staging point at the ship's rear.

The body was brought to Giglio, the Tuscan island where the cruise liner hit a reef and ran aground on Jan. 14. Twenty people remain missing.
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« Reply #72 on: January 21, 2012, 11:04:01 AM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/world/europe/search-of-costa-concordia-resumes.html
Divers Resume Search of Capsized Cruise Ship
January 21, 2012

GIGLIO, Italy — A week after the Costa Concordia ran aground off Giglio Island in Tuscany, divers resumed their search of the wreckage on Saturday and found a 12th body after suspending their work because the ship was shifting on the rock keeping it from slipping deeper into the sea.
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After concluding that the risk to divers had declined as the ship seemed to stop its movement, crews started blowing new holes in the hull on Saturday, an operation that gives divers easier access to the submerged part of the ship. Firefighters inspected a dry area of the ship overnight, getting through the narrow corridors from cabin windows to examine sections of the bridge. Morning efforts focused on parts of the bridge around the assembly point, where five bodies were retrieved on Tuesday.

After a week in the cold January waters, it is very unlikely that any of the 20 people still missing will be found alive. Among the most recent items recovered from the ship were a Madonna and baby Jesus from the ship’s chapel, retrieved Thursday night and early Friday.
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« Reply #73 on: January 21, 2012, 11:10:27 AM »

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/21/costa-concordia-womans-body-found
Costa Concordia: woman's body is found
Official death toll now stands at 12, with 20 people missing after the cruise liner hit rocks off the coast of Italy
By Jasmine Coleman and agencies
January 21, 2012


The body of a woman has been found on board the capsized cruise liner Costa Concordia, bringing the confirmed death toll to 12.

The woman, who was wearing a life jacket, was found by divers in a corridor on the fourth deck of the Costa Concordia, said coastguard commander, Cosimo Nicastro.

The body was brought to Giglio, the Tuscan island where the liner hit a reef and ran aground on 14 January. Twenty people are missing.
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jUBuey41cvndvpN0cH_pPCzn5gQA?docId=d8eb1a36a26341638f6262bab298f112
Italian divers find body in cruise ship corridor
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January 21, 2012

ROME (AP) — The body of a woman wearing a life vest was recovered by Italian coast guard divers Saturday from a narrow underwater corridor of the capsized cruise ship Costa Concordia, raising the death toll to 12 in the week-old accident that has sent some light fuel spilling into the Mediterranean off Tuscany.

Coast Guard Cmdr. Cosimo Nicastro told The Associated Press that the victim was found during a particularly risky inspection of an evacuation staging point at the ship's rear.

"The corridor was very narrow, and the divers' lines risked snagging" on objects in the passageway, Nicastro said. To permit the coast guard divers to get into the area, Italian navy divers had preceded them, setting off charges to blast holes for easier entrance and exit, he said.

The woman's nationality and identity were not immediately known.

Before the corpse was found, 21 people were listed as missing. One of the women on the list is a Peruvian crew member, the others are passengers.
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« Reply #74 on: January 21, 2012, 07:25:13 PM »

Though Captain Schettino appears to have attempted the ill-fated "sail-by" of the island of Giglio on his own initiative and without any authorization, such authorization had, in fact, been granted in the past. In what is surely the most underreported aspect of the whole story, both Costa Cruises and the Italian Coast Guard had granted official approval for the Costa Concordia to execute a sail-by off Giglio this past August, done at the request of the island's political authorities to bolster tourism. The maneuver was executed without incident on August 14, 2011. Maritime industry resource 'Lloyd's List' confirms that satellite tracking data reveal that on 13 January, 2012, the the Costa Concordia was transiting the waters off Giglio via the same route as that approved and safely executed on 14 August when she struck a previously uncharted hazard to navigation. Ironically, the Costa Concordia, during the approved sail-by of 14 August, actually approached CLOSER to the Giglio coastline than she did on the fateful night of 13 January, when the ship ran aground.

The obvious conclusion from all this is that the ship could very well have been lost on 14 August at the specific direction of Costa Cruises and with the approval and blessing of the Italian Coast Guard, and it was only by the grace of God that she didn't meet with disaster on that date. In light of this new information, Captain Schettino seems far less reckless than he is made out to be, and the loud denunciations of him by Costa Cruises, the Italian Coast Guard, and local prosecutors ring rather hollow. It all seems quite predictable now as standard CYA procedure by those who originally put lives at risk back in August. Frankly, at this point I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if we eventually find out that Schettino had been under orders to execute sail-by on 13 January, after all.

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« Reply #75 on: January 21, 2012, 09:27:25 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16606405
Costa Concordia: Search suspended after ship shifts
January 18, 2012

Officials are hoping to begin salvage work soon, including pumping oil off the wreck, as hopes fade of finding any more survivors.

Twenty-three people are missing, and 11 confirmed dead, after the huge ship crashed into rocks on Friday.

There are fears the vessel might slip into deeper water off the Tuscan coast.

"Instruments indicated the ship had moved. We are in the process of evaluating if it has found a new resting point to allow us to resume," fire department spokesman Luca Cari said
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Costa Crociere has said that on Friday Capt Schettino diverted from the normal route to sail close to Giglio.

Meanwhile, satellite tracking information given to the BBC by the shipping journal Lloyd's List Intelligence shows the Costa Concordia had sailed even closer to the island on a cruise last August.


Newsnight examines the route taken by the Costa Concordia last August and on Friday

Lloyd's List told the BBC that the vessel passed within 230m of the island on 14 August 2011 to mark La Notte di San Lorenzo - the night of the shooting stars festival on the island.

The route deviation on that occasion had apparently been authorised by Costa Crociere.

The company said on Monday that the ship was never closer than 500m to the coast when it passed on 14 August.

Lloyd's List describes that occasion as a "near miss" and says the ship's route would have been less than 200m away from the point of collision on Friday's voyage.

Costa Crociere said on Monday that the route deviation last Friday had been "unauthorised, unapproved and unknown to Costa".

But Richard Meade, editor of Lloyd's List, said: "The company's account of what happened, of the rogue master [Capt Schettino] taking a bad decision, isn't quite as black and white as they presented originally."


"This ship took a very similar route only a few months previously and the master would have known that."

Costa Crociere says it is looking into the claims, but stands by the statement it gave on Monday.
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Bumping this up in reference to Steve's post.
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« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2012, 08:18:28 AM »

It has been stated that MANY ships -- different cruise lines -- have taken this ill fated route without the same disastrous results -- there are pictures and videos posted by passengers from the different ships that have performed this 'salute' to the Italian coast so that it can be proven that this 'unpublished' route has been taken. I DO NOT HAVE ANY LINKS to the pictures -- will post if I find I find any. I believe the use of this route is discussed in some of the links I have preciously posted.

There is a statement by Italian officials in one of the links posted indicating that it was not possible for Costa to NOT BE AWARE that this was happening?

Tides change every day all day -- what is safe one day may not be safe the next. That is why these routes are designed by the professionals who study this aspect of the sea and sailing -- and NOT by individual ship captain's.
 
I am curious to find out the timeline. I have not seen it published yet. Why did this captain continue to sail the ship for an hour and half AFTER hitting the rocks? Was he even on the bridge at the time? Or was he otherwise occupied? Why did the ship tell the coast guard that it was an 'electrical' issue and that no help was needed? When did the ship begin to list? It has been reported that the onboard alarm was sounded alerting the crew of the 'taking on water' emergency (there are different 'codes' that determine a different sequence of sounds that indicate different types of emergencies -- fire, water, medical, etc...) At what time was that sounded? And were crew still telling passengers to go back to their cabins?? Why did they wait until the lifeboats were almost inoperable (due to the list) before beginning 'abandon ship'?

At what time did the captain execute his deviation? Did he report it? What systems and failsafes did he turn off -- if any -- that allowed him to deviate from the instructions?

I am trying to keep my experiences with ship captains - and their egos - out of the equation. Trying to find out the facts and not 'assume' anything. Captain/Master is an incredibly critical role and comes with a level of responsibility requirement not taken on by many other 'jobs'. The critical responsibility is to keep passengers safe.

I have made no secret that I make my living in this industry. I know how these procedures are 'supposed' to be executed. My sincere condolences to the passengers and crew of the Costa Concordia and their loved ones, to the Costa employees and to the entire Carnival family.

This should NEVER have happened Sad((((  There will industry wide changes as a result of this. Too little too late for this ship and these passengers and crew:-(

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« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2012, 09:38:21 AM »

Sharon, I knew from your previous posts you worked in travel and I respect and appreciate any views or opinions you would have in this case.  I've been on a couple of cruises, but they were much different then the one like the Costa Cordia so I don't have as much insight as someone else that has, or like you works in that area. 

I was reading through your post and some of your questions raise a lot of even more questions.  I hope we will be able to see some of the questions answered in the very near future. 


I'm not only interested in what the media is telling us and what the cruise lines might be releasing, but I'm also very interested in what others with some experience in with the travel industry, (such as Sharon) or those that have been on cruises have to say. 

It's very sad sometimes it takes a disaster to get change implemented, whether it's with maritime travel or anything else. My heart goes out to the passengers, crew and their families.  My family and I enjoy travel and we'll continue to do so.
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« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2012, 10:16:24 AM »

http://www.cruise-community.com/News/News-Headlines/Carnival-Corp.-plcs-No.-2-officer-heads-to-Italy.html

Carnival Corp. & plc’s No. 2 officer heads to Italy

Howard Frank, second only to Micky Arison at Carnival Corp. & plc, has traveled to Italy to assess the Costa Concordia situation, Seatrade Insider has learned.

Frank, vice chairman and coo, is in Italy to ‘evaluate the response in-person and assess what additional assistance the corporation can provide in the immediate term,’ a company spokeswoman said.

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« Reply #79 on: January 22, 2012, 11:13:38 AM »

Sharon, I knew from your previous posts you worked in travel and I respect and appreciate any views or opinions you would have in this case.  I've been on a couple of cruises, but they were much different then the one like the Costa Cordia so I don't have as much insight as someone else that has, or like you works in that area. 

I was reading through your post and some of your questions raise a lot of even more questions.  I hope we will be able to see some of the questions answered in the very near future. 


I'm not only interested in what the media is telling us and what the cruise lines might be releasing, but I'm also very interested in what others with some experience in with the travel industry, (such as Sharon) or those that have been on cruises have to say. 

It's very sad sometimes it takes a disaster to get change implemented, whether it's with maritime travel or anything else. My heart goes out to the passengers, crew and their families.  My family and I enjoy travel and we'll continue to do so.

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Very true -- and very sad - statement.

IMO -- muster emergency procedures drill should be REQUIRED before ship leaves port or as ship leaves port - NOT within 24 hours of leaving port. Just like commercial aviation -- they don't wait until we are halfway thru our flight before advising us of emergency procedures!

Passengers need to take muster drill more seriously Sad  I have seen passengers trying to hide in bars and in their cabins in order to avoid the drill. I have seen passengers show up to the drill drunk and unruly. I understand that it is a difficult balance; the passenger vacation 'experience' vs the technical aspects of the rules of safety at sea. Passengers need to know where to go and what to do in the event of an emergency. Period.

The captain needs and has the authority to make changes and take actions to avoid problems and emergencies and remediate unexpected situations -- there are rules and procedures and communication channels that govern this....it is recognized that the captain is in charge 24 hours a day and shouldn't rely upon waiting for someone to be sitting in the Corporate office halfway around the world. Again -- the balance is critical.

The world of cruising changed drastically after Sept 11, 2001. New rules and regs and procedures related to Homeland security. All positive changes to continue to ensure the safety of the vessel and the passengers and crew. I'm hoping that this needless disaster brings about positive changes for safety as well.

I have always felt safer at sea than in the air. I have been on ships that have sailed 'listed' due to extreme wind conditions. I have sailed across the Pacific from SF to Honolulu with 2+ days of up to 35 foot seas being knocked out of my bunk pretty continuously all night Smile Fortunately I did not get sea sick, although most around us did. Satellite kept falling and our Systems Officer had to be 'tethered' in order to get the satellite back in position. I never experienced a moment of fear. Honestly not so sure I would feel the same way today Sad

To be clear - I am nowhere near an expert on the technical aspects of cruising - or any aspect of cruising -- I am just familiar with many of the aspects and procedures for a variety of reasons. When I am onboard for work, I am treated as a passenger (who usually gets a cabin on a very low deck of the ship. haha). I have also been involved with aspects of being crew.

I too would be interested MuffyBee in the thoughts and opinions of others in the industry or those who cruise for enjoyment.

I will continue to monitor our local news -- and any of the industry publications that I read -- and I'll post anything that I come across that appears pertinent.

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