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« Reply #340 on: March 10, 2012, 01:44:53 PM »

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Firewalking depends on a combination of poor conduction, insulation and a short time span.
Exactly! It is a ruse! 

The spelling of Aruba should be changed to:  A-ruse-a.   
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« Reply #341 on: March 10, 2012, 01:49:00 PM »

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Firewalking depends on a combination of poor conduction, insulation and a short time span.
Exactly! It is a ruse! 

The spelling of Aruba should be changed to:  A-ruse-a.   

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« Reply #342 on: March 10, 2012, 07:14:44 PM »

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11689847/__Marinier_overleden_op_Aruba__.html

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Sat 10 Mar 2012, 11:53 | read on
Marine traffic accidents deceased by Aruba

THE HAGUE  - A traffic accident on Aruba's Friday (local time) a 33-year old Dutch marines were killed. Three other Marines were injured, one of them seriously, said the Defense Ministry Saturday.

Research is still how the accident happened. On very short term, experts from the military police to fly to Aruba on the spot investigation.

The wounded Marines were treated in hospital.



Here it is on Awe24, pretty bad accident. 

http://www.awe24.com/20120309/10084/Otro_morto_den_trafico_accidente_pisa_na_e_cruzada_di_Mahuma_cu_2_marinier
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #343 on: March 10, 2012, 07:15:08 PM »

http://www.kearneyhub.com/news/local/article_4088d1b2-6a15-11e1-9ca1-0019bb2963f4.html
Profiler: Killers stupid people
March 9, 2012

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Brown has spent a lot of time studying the behavior of serial killers and psychopaths and said many are careless, unintelligent and nothing like they’re portrayed on TV.

“You really aren’t looking at brilliant people. You’re looking at stupid people who get lucky,” she said. “You don’t really see fancy things. They kill them and they’re over it. They get off on the killing.”

Many serial killers and psychopaths also have early behavioral problems, as did Ted Bundy, Joran van der Sloot, Scott Peterson and the BTK Killer.

“There’s no such thing as a crime of passion. There’s just a psychopath whose decided to do something,” she said.


For more information on Brown, go to www.patbrownprofiling.com.
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« Reply #344 on: March 10, 2012, 07:18:45 PM »

Maybe there aren't a lot of abductions, but I believe there are many crimes that go under reported during spring break, including date rapes and etc.  Ignorance isn't bliss when it comes to Spring Break. JMHO

http://www.quchronicle.com/2012/03/trouble-in-paradise/
Trouble in paradise
Prof: spring break stigma ‘very, very rare’
By Nicole Fano
March 7, 2012

MTV’s “Spring Break” special has portrayed the college recess in a tropical atmosphere that is filled with alcohol, drugs and sexual temptations. Fast forward to 2005 when high school senior Natalee Holloway mysteriously disappeared during a spring break trip to Aruba — and the stigma of the college trend became known for more than just drunken fun in the sun.

Though safety risks always exist while traveling, the social narrative of a malicious stranger who preys on an innocent woman is not the statistical reality.

“In terms of things like abductions, those are very unlikely,” said Alan Bruce, the director of the criminal justice program and an associate sociology professor who specializes in crime and media. “I don’t want to give the impression that because something is very, very rare we shouldn’t be concerned about it. At the same time, we need to say, ‘Well yeah, this could happen, but what is the real likelihood?’”
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While women are victims of violence every year, anonymous attacks are not the norm.

The majority of all female victims knew their attacker in all cases of stalking and sexual violence, according to the 2010 National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey.

While social deviants like Holloway’s suspected killer Joran Van Der Sloot do exist, Bruce says media outlets exaggerate their popularity.

“I think without a doubt, the media overemphasizes the idea of people being evil,” Bruce said. “They do overemphasize the likelihood that someone will be victimized by a person like that because while they do exist, they are very, very rare.”
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« Reply #345 on: March 10, 2012, 07:33:43 PM »

Regardless of the opinion of the folks that wrote the above article, I think the work Beth Holloway does is important.  I was going through the news and saw the article and posted it.  Perhaps the authors and those interviewed aren't that familiar with the way things work in some places, in Aruba for example.  How many young women may have been slipped a mickey, raped and then dropped off at the beach or wherever and the crime isn't reported because the victim may not remember what happened or may be too ashamed to report it. 

There may not be that many abductions statistically, but as I noted, I think a lot goes unreported.  JMHO
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« Reply #346 on: March 10, 2012, 08:35:18 PM »

Regardless of the opinion of the folks that wrote the above article, I think the work Beth Holloway does is important.  I was going through the news and saw the article and posted it.  Perhaps the authors and those interviewed aren't that familiar with the way things work in some places, in Aruba for example.  How many young women may have been slipped a mickey, raped and then dropped off at the beach or wherever and the crime isn't reported because the victim may not remember what happened or may be too ashamed to report it

There may not be that many abductions statistically, but as I noted, I think a lot goes unreported.  JMHO

bbm   ...or their last evening on the island.  Sad
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« Reply #347 on: March 10, 2012, 08:46:49 PM »

Another article about the accident.

http://arubaherald.com/911/2122-dutch-marine-is-fourth-2012-traffic-death.html

Dutch marine is fourth 2012 traffic death       
Saturday, 10 March 2012 18:48 

Friday evening just after 10:30 p.m. four people were injured in a car accident at the Mahuma intersection. Police closed off the road. One victim was on the ground and three in the car, of which two were stuck in the car and badly injured. One of the victims passed away during the night.

Eye witnesses said the burgundy car (A-54176) was speeding, the driver lost control and smashed the car into the security barrier at the Mahuma bridge. The passenger side of the car was destroyed. Fire department rescue workers got the two victims that were stuck out of the car. Four ambulances were escorted by police to the hospital. An investigation is ongoing. The Dutch Ministry of Defense also issued a statement on the accident as the men are Dutch Marines stationed at the base in Savaneta.  ::snipping2::
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Mahuma bridge

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« Reply #348 on: March 10, 2012, 08:53:26 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/english/104425-violence-remains-a-matter-of-concern-in-kia

‘Violence remains a matter of concern in KIA’       
Friday, 9 March 2012 11:15
 
ORANJESTAD/THE HAGUE — Violence between prisoners, understaffing, bad treatment by personnel – such as pestering – and abuse of power in the women’s department. This outspoken criticism on the Correctional Institute Aruba (KIA) is given in the progress report on the prison system on Aruba by researchers Paul Vegter and Juan de Lange.By our correspondent
Otti Thomas

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« Reply #349 on: March 11, 2012, 09:53:01 PM »

Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW

Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/15/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Status Conference (RE PRE-TRIAL MOTIONS/MOTIONS INLIMINE)

05/16/2012 at 08:30 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Status Conference ((2ND DAY) RE PRE-TRIAL MOTIONS &MOTIONS IN LIMINE)

04/08/2013 at 08:32 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

04/22/2013 at 09:00 am in department 89 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial (10 WEEKS)





Motions in Limine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_in_limine
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« Reply #350 on: March 11, 2012, 10:01:16 PM »

Joran's former attorney and former "best friend" from Castro Castro.

http://peru.com/actualidad/caso-fefer-abogado-trujillo-ospina-le-aconseja-silencio-noticia-46179

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Sunday March 11, 2012 - 3:51
Fefer Case: Lawyer advises silence Trujillo Ospina

Lima. Maximum Highness, who defended Joran van der Sloot, the young murderer of Stephany Flores, now is an advocate of the perpetrator of the crime of the entrepreneur Myriam Fefer, Alejandro Trujillo Ospina.

According reiterated his client could be eligible for early termination although it believes the allegations of the prosecution are not true, as it ensures that Colombia is not a hit and entered the woman's house to steal.

"I will advise my client invoking the right to silence, no longer testify in the trial, because he has no reason for that. Since the lawyers on the other hand see how your problem solved, "he said in remarks to the" Sunday a day. "

This, said he expected the nicknamed 'Clown' receives a sentence of 25 years in prison and at 9 and could be eligible for prison privileges.

The prosecution asked for the Colombian murderer sentenced to 35 years in prison.
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http://articles.nydailynews.com/2010-06-17/news/27067495_1_holloway-case-van-der-sloot-american-natalee-holloway

Joran Van der Sloot makes prison pal called 'The Clown,' Aruba wants to know more about Holloway
Thursday, June 17, 2010
 
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When they aren't in Trujillo's cell watching TV, the pair trade stories and play cards, a prison official told NBC's "Today" show.

"The Clown" has even given his new cellmate his own nickname - "Psychopath."

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-25/justice/peru.vandersloot.photo_1_van-der-sloot-disappearance-of-alabama-teenager?_s=PM:CRIME

Peru investigates van der Sloot prison picture
August 25, 2010

Authorities in Peru said they have begun disciplinary action against jailers who photographed suspected killer Joran van der Sloot posing with two other men held in connection with high-profile killings there.

The photo, first aired by the Peruvian television network America TV, shows the 22-year-old van der Sloot standing alongside fellow inmates Hugo Trujillo Ospina and William Trickett Smith II. A fourth man in the picture is not identified.
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« Reply #351 on: March 11, 2012, 10:14:54 PM »

Thank you, klaas!  Thank you to the person who pays for the documents!

Unbelievable...the jury trial will be on April 22, 2013!

Could it be because a new judge took over the case?
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« Reply #352 on: March 11, 2012, 10:54:08 PM »

I want to know how Urine is coping in his new home.  Has he gotten worms yet?
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« Reply #353 on: March 11, 2012, 11:05:07 PM »

Thank you, klaas!  Thank you to the person who pays for the documents!

Unbelievable...the jury trial will be on April 22, 2013!

Could it be because a new judge took over the case?



OMG, I wasn't paying attention.  I didn't notice 2013 - so they bumped it up a year!  This could go on FOREVER!
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« Reply #354 on: March 11, 2012, 11:17:30 PM »

Thank you, klaas!  Thank you to the person who pays for the documents!

Unbelievable...the jury trial will be on April 22, 2013!

Could it be because a new judge took over the case?


 

2013!!!

Thanks Grace.  Thanks Klaas.

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« Reply #355 on: March 12, 2012, 12:28:50 AM »

I want to know how Urine is coping in his new home.  Has he gotten worms yet?


IIRC, JVS is not happy at Piedras Gordas, and the judge is expected to rule in April if he stays there or returns to Castro Castro.
On the other hand, maybe he has made some new "friends" and is coping very well. 
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« Reply #356 on: March 12, 2012, 08:04:57 AM »

Well, they are "hearing motions" in May 2012 --- it could still get dismissed.
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« Reply #357 on: March 12, 2012, 04:33:16 PM »

Another one of the Dutch Marines from the car accident died.

http://www.awe24.com/20120312/10111/Dialuna_merdia_a_drenta_e_tristo_noticia_cu_e_otro_victima_marinier_di_e

Papiamentu translation:

monday afternoon owing to enter the tristo news cu the another victima marinier of the accidente at mahuma owing to fayece

1 hora happen come across, 12 of march 2012 14:39

monday afternoon owing to enter the tristo news cu the another victima marinier f. of the accidente at mahuma owing to end of fayece at dr. horacio oduber hospital. here one rato we will follow informa, cu more imagen.....
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #358 on: March 12, 2012, 04:46:25 PM »

http://www.awe24.com/20120311/10105/Famianan_di_e_victima_di_accidente_fatal_e_marinier_CM_Hendrikse_ta_bin_busca

Papiamentu translation:

famianan of the victima of accidente fateful the marinier c.m. hendrikse is come busca the curpa

20 hora happen come across, 11 of march 2012 20:00

the family of the victima of accidente fateful the marinier c. m. hendrikse is biniendo aruba for busca the curpa. we owing to ricibi informe cu already at inicio of march one of the mariniernan here was envolvi in one accidente at sasaki where they owing to bolter y owing to resulta levemente injury. at famianan of the fayecido we is extende we more sincero words of condolencia.



http://www.diario.aw/2012/03/curpa-di-marinier-hendriske-lo-ser-manda-hulanda/

Papiamentu translation:

curpa of marinier hendriske will being send the netherlands

publication: monday, 12 march 2012.

categoria: general

oranjestad(aan):te now here the curpa of the marinier j.c.m. hendrikse naci at the netherlands 20-11-1987 is in beslag but so cu fiscal give the curpa pound will send this the netherlands. will acerca one funeraria local cu will take the curpa over y haci the tramitenan necesario. all this provided that cordinacion cu police militar. apart from esey have the are of police militar of the netherlands cu is at caminda for aruba for reforza they coleganan cu is at aruba for haci the investigacion. have palabracion among autoridad dutch y of aruba caminda hour one caso so sosode the polisnan mlitar dutch is take over. the rol of police of trafico at aruba is stay immidiately because; one refuerzo diminutive for esnan of the netherlands kizas in the part tecnico. the marinier here have some time at aruba y as cualkier another they're come for 9 month. in the caso here past owing to lose his life y have one dolor big close the other coleganan in kazerne cu perdida they of they amigo y colega. velocidad high is cause principal of the accidente here. esun sit behind near of passenger y the passenger sit near of chofer is esnan cu owing to achieve more golpi in the desgracia of cual uno owing to fayece perdiendo till even one braza. esun sit behind also is critico y is in cuido intensivo. once more peace at his restonan.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #359 on: March 12, 2012, 04:59:46 PM »

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11702603/__Tweede_marinier_bezweken__.html

Google translation:

Mon 12 Mar 2012, 21:18 | read on

Second Marine died after accidentally Aruba

ORANGE CITY  - A second Marine is Monday succumbed to the effects of a serious traffic accident that happened Friday on Aruba. It is a 19-year-old man. Reported that the Public Prosecutor in Aruba and a spokesman for the Royal Navy on Monday. A 24-year-old Marine died earlier by the accident.
 
In the accident were two other Marines were injured.

The Aruba Police Force investigating the accident along with the Royal Military Police because of the involvement of Dutch troops. The island is a call made to witnesses to come forward.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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