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« Reply #680 on: April 11, 2012, 11:49:29 AM »

Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed.  Anita is one of them.
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« Reply #681 on: April 11, 2012, 11:56:50 AM »

Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed.  Anita is one of them.

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« Reply #682 on: April 11, 2012, 02:28:24 PM »

I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.
The acorn does not fall far from the tree.

Maybe she's still in the denial phase. I hope she's received some professional counseling, and not just from her brother.
You are much more optimistic and kind than I.  IMO she is as evil as her son, although (perhaps) in a less murderous way.  It's doubtful to me that she has the ability to truly feel empathy, sympathy, compassion, care or even slight concern about anyone but herself.
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« Reply #683 on: April 11, 2012, 02:43:42 PM »

I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.
The acorn does not fall far from the tree.

Maybe she's still in the denial phase. I hope she's received some professional counseling, and not just from her brother.
You are much more optimistic and kind than I.  IMO she is as evil as her son, although (perhaps) in a less murderous way.  It's doubtful to me that she has the ability to truly feel empathy, sympathy, compassion, care or even slight concern about anyone but herself.

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ITA with you yuknomenot.  And IMO, Anita is not a victim here and she's not in denial.  She enabled her son Joran for years.  And I believe she covered up and knows more than she will ever tell.  She doesn't need counseling, she needs interrogating.  JMHO  I'm not forgetting Anita gave a description of Natalee's panties to Beth  as she sat around a table at her home  in Aruba with Greta Van Sustern.  How cruel is that? !  . 
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« Reply #684 on: April 11, 2012, 02:58:57 PM »

While was going through some of the older threads, I came across this:

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« Reply #685 on: April 11, 2012, 03:31:22 PM »

While was going through some of the older threads, I came across this:




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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
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Julia is one of the hardest working members of the coverup and misinformation task force. Her primary mission is to ensure that Beth is sentenced to a living hell for the rest of her life.

Why Julia? What's in it for you? Why do you think you can act so reprehensibly, so brazenly, so callously?

I hope one day, that I find a photo of you, hung up by the neck, with your hand in your pocket. I'll say I knew who that bitch. She finally did the right thing. And I won't lose one minutes sleep over it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362311;topicseen#msg362311

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« Reply #686 on: April 11, 2012, 03:33:16 PM »

I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.
The acorn does not fall far from the tree.

Maybe she's still in the denial phase. I hope she's received some professional counseling, and not just from her brother.
You are much more optimistic and kind than I.  IMO she is as evil as her son, although (perhaps) in a less murderous way.  It's doubtful to me that she has the ability to truly feel empathy, sympathy, compassion, care or even slight concern about anyone but herself.

BBM
ITA with you yuknomenot.  And IMO, Anita is not a victim here and she's not in denial.  She enabled her son Joran for years.  And I believe she covered up and knows more than she will ever tell.  She doesn't need counseling, she needs interrogating.  JMHO  I'm not forgetting Anita gave a description of Natalee's panties to Beth  as she sat around a table at her home  in Aruba with Greta Van Sustern.  How cruel is that? !  . 

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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #687 on: April 11, 2012, 03:36:22 PM »

Private Eye comprehends Julia Renfro perfectly.  However ... the upholding of this woman  by Natalee's stepmother does not make sense.

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As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
Originally published June 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM
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Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculated.

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


Robin Holloway - December, 2007

... As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317

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« Reply #688 on: April 11, 2012, 04:04:07 PM »

Face to Face with Anita and Paulus van der Sloot

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
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Page 147-151
:  The mission of meeting people and handing out the Ecclesiastes prayer cards and the beautiful colourful bracelets gives me a reason to get up and keep going.  FOX anchor Greta Van Susteren wants to come along, as many of the network reps have done over the past few weeks.  We’re going to the other end of the island today, near the van der Sloot neighbourhood, to ask for information.  And help.

As I reach to put a prayer card into the van der Sloot mailbox, I see someone on the side of the house and call out, “Anybody home?  Hello! You’ve go company! Knock, knock!  Anybody home?”

A man is behind the shrubs against the house.  “I see you there in the bushes.”  He freezes.  “I’m Natalee’s mom.  I just want to give you a prayer card.”

Paulus van der Sloot has to be coaxed out of the bushes like a dog in trouble.  He appears from behind the shrubs and comes to the gate.  I hand him one of Natalee’s prayer cards over the fence.

Surprisingly, he says, “Come in, please.  Stop the cameras, okay?  Stop the cameras.”

Greta and I lock eyes for a moment, and with no hint of hesitation on her part we go inside.  Through the front door we make our way across the tile floor, passing through a nicely decorated living room, under an archway, to an enclosed back-porch area.  We step down to a table and chairs.  Paulus’s wife, Joran’s mother Anita, is here.  There’s no glass in the multiple window openings in this room, just wooden slats.  And the air moves comfortably through the area.  The wind blows hard all the time in Aruba, and it’s breezy in here, well ventilated.  Paulus sits closest to the air flow.  I sit across from him, in close proximity.  Anita is on my left.  Greta is next to Paulus, her body turned toward him.

Anita tells us all about Joran and what a good boy he is.  How smart he is.  I let her go on and on, as this gives me time to listen, look, assess.  And as she continues, she begins to share with us what a difficult time they have had with him recently.  How he exhibits oppositional defiance and is disrespectful to his mother.  How they are beginning to lose control of him as he sneaks out at night and comes and goes as he pleases.  After about thirty minutes she concludes by telling us Joran is seeing a psychologist for his defiant behaviour.

Now it’s my turn.  I have no intention of matching her good-boy remarks with good-girl comments.  And cut to the chase.  Graphically repeating the very words said by their son a couple of weeks ago in his statements made on June 9, 10, and 13.  The vile account that was read to me in the attorney general’s office.  The equally explicit words used by Joran to describe what he did to Natalee.  Calmer than I have ever been in my whole life and without blinking, I tell them which fingers he said he used.  Where he said he put them.  How their son described my daughter’s pubic area, her underwear.  How Joran said she was falling asleep and waking up, falling asleep and waking up.  I tell them of his conflicting stories of what happened, the different places he said it happened.  Little beads of sweat form across Paulus’s brow and forehead.

My arms rest on top of the investigation notebook I carry with me all the time.  Natalee’s reward poster with her picture on it is inside the front clear cover, in plain view.  Paulus’s arms are on the table.  Our knuckles are only inches apart.  His arms are shaking.  His fists are clenched.  “You’re responsible for Aruba being trapped in hell,” I tell him, still calm.  “You can change that.  But Aruba will stay in a perpetual state of hell until you come forward.”

I gently push the notebook toward him so he can see Natalee.  Anita remains silent.  The breeze is blowing ever cooler through the room now, yet the sweat on Paulus is increasing.

“How did Joran get home that night, Paulus?”  He responds that he doesn’t know.  “Did he go to school the next day?”  He responds again that he doesn’t know.

Greta and I have many questions.  “you mean this is the most critical time in your son’s life – he is being held on suspicion of kidnap and murder – and you don’t know how he got home or if he went to school?”

Paulus stammers when he answers.  He hesitates.  He sounds unnatural and blinks rapidly.  His head is down.  The beads of sweat turn to bubbles that grow together and gather under his chin, then drop – splash – onto the table below.

Pulling a couple of prayer bracelets out of my pocket, I offer them to the van der Sloots.  First I tie one on Anita’s arm, then ask  Paulus if he would like one.  He lifts his clench-fisted arm, shaking as if he has Parkinson’s disease, and tries very hard to hold it up.  What a pathetic form of a man he is, I think – a very different person from the one who stood so brazenly in his front yard in the wee hours that first morning, facing down Aruban police and our men from home.  I take my time tying the bracelet, very, very slowly, and explain the meaning of the three cords of yarn.

“Paulus, this bracelet stands for a Bible verse.  It’s Ecclesiastes 4:12.  “Though one may be overpowered, two can defend themselves.  A cord of three stands is not quickly broken.””  I finish the tying and gently pat the knot.  “There you go.”

And right then the bracelet looks different to me.  I see the three cords as the suspects, and the knot as the end holding them together as Paulus.  It’s not just clear – it’s crystal clear.   There are potentially four people who know what happened to Natalee.  We need the knot to come loose and the three to unravel.

Anita gets a kitchen towel and first blots Paulus’s head.  Then she lays it on the pools of sweat that have formed on the table in front of him and, in one big swipe, folds the towel over and cleans it away.

No one could have predicted that this encounter would take place.  And if Greta Van Susteren had not been there, I would not have gone inside.

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« Reply #689 on: April 11, 2012, 10:57:19 PM »

Private Eye comprehends Julia Renfro perfectly.  However ... the upholding of this woman  by Natalee's stepmother does not make sense.

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As missing-teen case cools, Aruba turns against family
Originally published June 9, 2007 at 12:00 AM
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Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculated.

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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


Robin Holloway - December, 2007

... As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317

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As far as Robin's quote.......  I just can't go there. 
I've shaken my head for years over that one. I suppose it's best to keep my mouth shut and just keep shaking my head.

I'll say this, however. She's SORELY MISTAKEN about Julia. (That's my best effort to be nice about what she had to say.)
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« Reply #690 on: April 11, 2012, 10:58:53 PM »

While was going through some of the older threads, I came across this:




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Julia is one of the hardest working members of the coverup and misinformation task force. Her primary mission is to ensure that Beth is sentenced to a living hell for the rest of her life.

Why Julia? What's in it for you? Why do you think you can act so reprehensibly, so brazenly, so callously?

I hope one day, that I find a photo of you, hung up by the neck, with your hand in your pocket. I'll say I knew who that bitch. She finally did the right thing. And I won't lose one minutes sleep over it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362311;topicseen#msg362311



Please somebody........... grab a hoe and aim for the head!
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« Reply #691 on: April 11, 2012, 11:20:57 PM »

Go for it CBB!   
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« Reply #692 on: April 12, 2012, 01:35:11 AM »



Justice for Natalee!

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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #693 on: April 12, 2012, 09:18:15 AM »

While was going through some of the older threads, I came across this:




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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #891 on: March 07, 2008, 07:39:40 PM »


Julia is one of the hardest working members of the coverup and misinformation task force. Her primary mission is to ensure that Beth is sentenced to a living hell for the rest of her life.

Why Julia? What's in it for you? Why do you think you can act so reprehensibly, so brazenly, so callously?

I hope one day, that I find a photo of you, hung up by the neck, with your hand in your pocket. I'll say I knew who that bitch. She finally did the right thing. And I won't lose one minutes sleep over it.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362311;topicseen#msg362311



Please somebody........... grab a hoe and aim for the head!

How many hoe's does it take to hoe a Rehhoe 'Ho?  La le la le la 
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« Reply #694 on: April 12, 2012, 09:59:03 AM »

 

 

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« Reply #695 on: April 12, 2012, 10:34:10 PM »

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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #697 on: April 13, 2012, 02:55:20 PM »

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« Reply #698 on: April 13, 2012, 02:59:36 PM »

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=15737

Brinkman: dissent brewing in Freedom Party
Posted by Aruba Daily on April 12th, 2012

Dissent is brewing in Geert Wilders’ Freedom Party, Hero Brinkman says a few weeks after leaving the party in disagreement over its policies and lack of internal democracy. Several other Freedom Party politicians will soon speak out and try to break free, Mr Brinkman predicted in a television interview on Sunday. For a number of key policies the current minority cabinet depends for its majority in parliament on Mr Wilders’ Freedom Party. Mr Brinkman was widely seen as one of the party’s key ideologues.
 
As an independent MP, Mr Brinkman says he intends to tackle “corruption and nepotism” in the Caribbean territories of the Netherlands. Criticism Mr Brinkman voiced in the past caused strains with the Caribbean islands. In 2008 he suggested to put the Antilles up for sale on a website for second-hand products. He also called the islands “a den of thieves” and denounced a minister of Aruba as “a liar and a coward.”
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« Reply #699 on: April 13, 2012, 11:55:22 PM »

I know we are all depressed with the delays in the Dr. Phil case -- but, we have a new judge and there IS another hearing in late April or May isn't there????? 
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