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« Reply #860 on: April 27, 2012, 02:29:49 AM »



Justice for Natalee!

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #861 on: April 27, 2012, 02:43:45 AM »

Joran will visit on May 8 by Judge

LIMA - Joran gets on May 8 visited in his cell by a Peruvian court in connection with the extradition request from the United States. That was justice in the Peruvian capital Lima on Wednesday (local time) unknown. Van der Sloot accuse the U.S. of extortion from the mother of Natalee Holloway.

 The visit is part of a procedure in Peru, whether or not to respond to the request for extradition of Americans. The judge shall report to the Supreme Court and this formulates a resolution. That is viewed by the Ministry of Justice and Human Rights. The Ministry makes the decision.

 If Van der Sloot is extradited, he goes for his trial to the U.S.. Then he returned to Peru to sit out his remaining sentence. If he is convicted in the United States, it goes after his sentence in Peru to have been served to the prison in the U.S..

 ::snipping2::

 In Peru, Van der Sloot sentenced to 28 years in prison and 60,000 euros a small economic damages for the murder and robbery of Peruvian Stephany Flores.

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/11999910/__Rechter_bezoekt_Joran__.html

Oh, I hope this is right, but I suspect it won't be much of a discussion:

Judge: Joran, we're here to discuss your possible extradition to the US .......
Joran: NO!!!
Judge: in connection with your "being owned" by Natalee's Mother.
Joran: NO!!!
Judge: Beth Holloway is anxious to see you in court, Joran........
Joran: NO!!!
Judge: and see you held accountable for your actions on US soil.
Joran: NO, NO, NO !!! I'm too sick to go, Judge! I need tubs of Prep H now!
Judge: Hee Hee Hee.......... well, Joran, you had no trouble asking Beth for money, perhaps you could ask her to bring you a care package when you get there? I suggest you hold your breath until she brings it.
Joran: NO!!!

 
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« Reply #862 on: April 27, 2012, 05:37:57 PM »

I may get poo-pooed for this but....I'm not sure that I want Urine to be brought here YET.  I mean, once he's in our system, then he gets much better treatment than he's getting now, plus attys that will prolong the process with endless motions and hearings.  Meanwhile, Urine will be eating 3 squares a day, getting better healthcare than most elderly citizens, education if he wants, all the tv, books, and interviews he can stand.  He'd be in hog heaven if he were moved to a US jail.  Let him stay in Peru for a few more years.  Or at least till he gets a good case of worms. 
 


He will be brought here to be tried only.  Then once sentenced he will return to Peru to finish his sentence there THEN return to the US to serve out whatever sentence he receives here.
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« Reply #863 on: April 27, 2012, 05:57:59 PM »

I may get poo-pooed for this but....I'm not sure that I want Urine to be brought here YET.  I mean, once he's in our system, then he gets much better treatment than he's getting now, plus attys that will prolong the process with endless motions and hearings.  Meanwhile, Urine will be eating 3 squares a day, getting better healthcare than most elderly citizens, education if he wants, all the tv, books, and interviews he can stand.  He'd be in hog heaven if he were moved to a US jail.  Let him stay in Peru for a few more years.  Or at least till he gets a good case of worms. 
 


He will be brought here to be tried only.  Then once sentenced he will return to Peru to finish his sentence there THEN return to the US to serve out whatever sentence he receives here.
Do you think Joe Taco would actually represent him again??? 
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« Reply #864 on: April 27, 2012, 06:31:11 PM »

JOE TACOPINA

Murder suspect expected in Peru after expulsion from Chile
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 4, 2010 2:31 p.m. EDT


Santiago, Chile (CNN) -- Peruvian officials awaited the return from Chile on Friday of Joran van der Sloot, the suspect in the slaying of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman this week.

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Van der Sloot's former attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told CNN it was too early to reach any conclusions.

"I just think we need to take a step back before we get to the 'I told you so' stage, and let's see what the evidence is here," Tacopina said Thursday.

Tacopina said he is not representing van der Sloot and no longer has a good relationship with the family.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/04/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=Sbin

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« Reply #865 on: April 27, 2012, 06:34:28 PM »

JOE TACOPINA

Murder suspect expected in Peru after expulsion from Chile
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 4, 2010 2:31 p.m. EDT


Santiago, Chile (CNN) -- Peruvian officials awaited the return from Chile on Friday of Joran van der Sloot, the suspect in the slaying of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman this week.

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Van der Sloot's former attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told CNN it was too early to reach any conclusions.

"I just think we need to take a step back before we get to the 'I told you so' stage, and let's see what the evidence is here," Tacopina said Thursday.

Tacopina said he is not representing van der Sloot and no longer has a good relationship with the family.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/04/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=Sbin

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Tacopina said he is not representing van der Sloot and no longer has a good relationship with the family.

Tacopina and "the family" are all snakes in the grass, and though they might have not been getting along when the article was written, a bit more fame and a lot more money could result in them having a big, happy reunion.  JMHO
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« Reply #866 on: April 27, 2012, 06:49:39 PM »

JOE TACOPINA

Murder suspect expected in Peru after expulsion from Chile
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 4, 2010 2:31 p.m. EDT


Santiago, Chile (CNN) -- Peruvian officials awaited the return from Chile on Friday of Joran van der Sloot, the suspect in the slaying of a 21-year-old Peruvian woman this week.

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Van der Sloot's former attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told CNN it was too early to reach any conclusions.

"I just think we need to take a step back before we get to the 'I told you so' stage, and let's see what the evidence is here," Tacopina said Thursday.

Tacopina said he is not representing van der Sloot and no longer has a good relationship with the family.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/04/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=Sbin

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Tacopina said he is not representing van der Sloot and no longer has a good relationship with the family.

Tacopina and "the family" are all snakes in the grass, and though they might have not been getting along when the article was written, a bit more fame and a lot more money could result in them having a big, happy reunion.  JMHO

 
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« Reply #867 on: April 28, 2012, 11:07:48 AM »

Victim to Victor

Natalee Holloway’s mother shares story
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CANTON — Beth Holloway says she has gone from “Victim to Victor.” That’s the title of the talk she is taking across the country.

Her daughter, Natalee, disappeared during a senior trip to Aruba in May 2005. She never was found, but a man from Aruba is awaiting extradition to the U.S. on a charge of extortion, for allegedly asking Holloway for $250,000 to provide Natalee’s remains.

That man, Joran van der Sloot, is serving a 28-year sentence in Peru for the death of a woman five years to the day before Natalee disappeared, Holloway said.

On the day Natalee was to fly home, Holloway said, she got the phone call every parent dreads.

“I never could have imagined, when I left Natalee at a friend’s house just a few days before, that it would be the last time I would ever see her,” she said.

Holloway spoke to about 200 at the McKinley Grand Hotel on Friday night as the featured presenter at the 105th annual conference of Soroptimist International Midwestern Region. Soroptimist is an international service organization committed to improving the lives of women and girls.

A lifetime teacher, Holloway decided to teach others about personal safety and travel safety through her book “Loving Natalee,” and through her travel safety program, Mayday 360.

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About her message, “I think it’s empowerment,” she said. “It’s the very thread between Soroptimist and what I have been doing, empowering young women and girls.

“We’ve both made it our lives’ work to empower young women and girls.”


Holloway said Natalee, like most travelers, had a false sense of security. She offered a few tips:

• Never leave your group.

• Never leave your beverage unattended.

• Never leave with someone you don’t know.

• Never get into a condition where you can’t take care of yourself.

“When traveling, it’s common to go out to have a good time,” she said. “But remember, there may be others who have a different agenda.”

http://www.cantonrep.com/news/x1942562583/Natalee-Holloway-s-mother-shares-story
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« Reply #868 on: April 28, 2012, 11:18:37 AM »

Hard Choices

Loving Natalee
A Mother’s Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 219: In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety message is my triumph over devastation.  It gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.  I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them to do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It is not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing  not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.
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« Reply #869 on: April 28, 2012, 11:21:52 AM »

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« Reply #870 on: April 28, 2012, 01:36:45 PM »

From the Help Find Robyn Colson Gardner Facebook Page...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552

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Michele Gumm long story short, and very hard to still believe, my husband and I were with the Mt. Brooke kids and Natalee the week she turned up missing...we had the unfortunate pleasure to have had a brief encounter with The Kalpoe Boys and VanDersloot at Carlos and Charlies...when Robing turned up missing it all kinda hit home..it's like what the hell is wrong with these idiots in Aruba? I would love to go back there because the island was beautiful, but that place scares the hell outta me..I hope there will be some justice for Robyn and her family..karma is a bitch Gary...ask VanDerSloot.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #871 on: April 28, 2012, 01:48:20 PM »

From the Help Find Robyn Colson Gardner Facebook Page...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Help-Find-Robyn-Colson-Gardner-Missing-in-Aruba/230993886944552

 ::snipping2::



Michele Gumm long story short, and very hard to still believe, my husband and I were with the Mt. Brooke kids and Natalee the week she turned up missing...we had the unfortunate pleasure to have had a brief encounter with The Kalpoe Boys and VanDersloot at Carlos and Charlies...when Robing turned up missing it all kinda hit home..it's like what the hell is wrong with these idiots in Aruba? I would love to go back there because the island was beautiful, but that place scares the hell outta me..I hope there will be some justice for Robyn and her family..karma is a bitch Gary...ask VanDerSloot.
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 michelle gumm posted: My husband and I were in Aruba last week and spent time with the girls on The DePalm tours snorkel/booze cruise. We saw Natalie later that night at Carlos and Charlies and we commented that she was up to partyubg that night because of the exhaustive day we had on the boat. When we saw her leave she left by herself. No one was with her but we did notice some local guys talking to her while she was in there. I do not know if this will help but my heart goes out to the family and I can not believe this has happened.I live 4000 miles away outside of Detroit, Michigan and I feel like it happened to somone I know having spent tome with them on the boat. I even have pictures of them.I will pray for her and her family. Sincerly John and Michele Gumm
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« Reply #872 on: April 28, 2012, 01:53:08 PM »

Thanks Klaas!   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #873 on: April 28, 2012, 02:31:07 PM »

Michele Gumm is one of 90000 Aruban friends you haven't met yet.

http://es.aruba.com/friendsnetwork/misshell.aspx

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Michele Gumm   
      
   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #874 on: April 28, 2012, 03:20:01 PM »

I remember her from the early days in the case and her posts.  I want to say that Beth did contact her.
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« Reply #875 on: April 29, 2012, 12:02:31 AM »

Peru to U.S. on van der Sloot: Not so fast!

Birmingham, Al (WIAT)  Joran van der Sloot might be brought to Birmingham to stand trial on wire fraud extortion charges stemming from the Natalee Holloway case...but Peru wants him back to serve out his sentence on a murder conviction there.

Peruvian Justice Minister César San Martín has told the media there Van der Sloot might be able to attend his trial in the US, but that he would have to return to Peru after the verdict to serve the rest of his 28-year sentence. If he were to receive a prison sentence in the US, this would have to be served after his prison term in Peru.

There will be a May 8 hearing on the preliminary extradition request by the United States. After the hearing the case will go to Peru's Supreme Court, then to the Council of Ministers.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Embassy in Lima are maintaining a polite "no comment" on reports in Peru and in Dutch media that steps are being taken to bring van der Sloot to this country to face charges he defrauded the family of Natalee Holloway.  Federal prosecutors here in Birmingham got indictments for wire fraud and extortion last year claiming van der Sloot offered Natalee's family information on her fate in exchange for $250,000.  The family reportedly paid him $25,000 but received no information.

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http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/story/Peru-to-U-S-on-van-der-Sloot-Not-so-fast/OR11FK10zEWIg650plkACA.cspx
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« Reply #876 on: April 29, 2012, 06:33:10 AM »


 

 

 

 

WOO FREAKING HOO!!!!  

Oh, Beth DESERVES to sit in a courtroom and watch him get convicted on something related to Natalee!!!!  

Where's the Monkey Bus, Klaas?  Let's do a Monkey ROAD TRIP for this!!!!    

Because I don't have time to find the original..here is the one you circled yourself 




Not a bad idea CBB - a new bus or something.  Maybe a train?

We have to put 2NJ on the train/bus.

I never got on the bus, I was too shy to ask--who would have thought?

I do not think Joran should ever be a free man, I don't think he could ever control himself enough to be safe for any woman.

 

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« Reply #877 on: April 29, 2012, 10:03:25 AM »

Yes Bearly I will for sure add 2NJ!  I have been working on it a little but been pretty busy. 
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« Reply #878 on: April 29, 2012, 10:22:34 AM »

Yes Bearly I will for sure add 2NJ!  I have been working on it a little but been pretty busy. 

 
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« Reply #879 on: April 29, 2012, 12:12:12 PM »

From my understanding there was a shooting, being called a liquidation...five bullet wounds in the victim...shot on his front porch.  Drugs found on him, something about a kilo of cocaine?  Originally from Cali Colombia.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/46554-eduardo-fialles-amaya-44-a-ser-likida-y-tabata-tin-droga-riba-dje

Papiamentu translation:

eduardo tiajsi amaya (44) owing to being likida y was have drugs on dje

sunday, 29 april 2012 09:23

recherche of north is haciendo one invesitgacion big the momentonan here relaciona cu the tiramento cu was have where he eduardo fialles amaya owing to wordo likida. one overall of cinco tiro past owing to achieve at his curpa y consecuencia of this was cu at arrival at hospital doctor overbeek owing to more bien constata dead. the victima likida is naci at cali colombia 21-04-1968 y after will owing to arise at venezuela but now is at aruba. in porch of the cas at bubali was have more person sit y is show cu was keep arrival of the victima. hour the murderer owing to los the tironan at once the another two personanan in porch will owing to huy. all the area owing to wordo close pendiente investigacion. at hospital fiscal owing to give ordo for take the curpa in beslag. on the victima in his cloths owing to come achieve enough drugs. assure casi mey kilo of cocaina. mirando the direccion cu the caso here is bayendo is dunando the indicacion of one likidacion. the cas where the cos owing to happen owing to wordo close totalmente after for her miembronan of cuerpo tecnico go back at the adres y busca more detaye cu can help at resolve the caso. peace at his restonan y forza at his family.


http://www.awe24.com/20120428/10557/Homber_Colombiano_dispara_cu_5_tiro_na_un_cas_na_Bubali_na_su_yegada_na

Papiamentu translation:

man colombiano dispara cu 5 tiro at one cas at bubali, at his arrival at hospital ela fayece

13 hora happen come across, 28 of april 2012 22:36

saturday night owing to enter informe of one caso of tiramento at bubali, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu the victima one colombiano cu is kedando for the time being akinan owing to being dispara because; 5 trip y owing to stay seriamente injury. the oficialnan owing to ask the ambulance cu more urgencia. at arrival of the ambulance at once owing to atende the victima y owing to transporte cu urgencia in one situation critico for hospital. at his arrival at hospital not owing to stay nothing another cu constata cu ela fayece. informacion inoficial cu we owing to ricibi here will is deal of one such "el compa". mediante this we wanted confirma the identidad of the victima of tiroteo of last at bubali. the name of the victima ta: eduardo tiajsi amaya nac at colombia 21 of april 1968 y was stay at bubali 20 f. ela ricibi cinco impacto of ball y owing to fayece because; consecuencia of this at hospital. recherche is trahando on the caso y is welkom cualkier informacion relaciona cu this. mucho more we not can tell at the instant here.



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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