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« Reply #660 on: April 07, 2012, 10:17:07 PM »

Then Came the Morning

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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #661 on: April 08, 2012, 02:53:54 AM »




Justice for Natalee!

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #662 on: April 08, 2012, 11:43:54 AM »

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=582598335

Anita's FB profile picture 2/6/2011



Same trip? 

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ember%C3%A1-Village-Tours/124485634240180

Panama

Anita posted this to their wall on Friday...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150796875663336&set=o.124485634240180&type=1




Anita Hugen Good memories!!Beautiful art work! Love from Aruba
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Emberá Village Tours Love this Anita! This is my brother in law, Auselio
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Anita Hugen I have the monkey mask he is wearing on my wall. Give him my regards. Take care!
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http://www.emberavillagetours.com/Tour_Details.html
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #663 on: April 08, 2012, 01:10:03 PM »

I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.
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« Reply #664 on: April 08, 2012, 02:01:37 PM »

I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.
The acorn does not fall far from the tree.
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« Reply #665 on: April 08, 2012, 02:04:55 PM »

I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.
The acorn does not fall far from the tree.

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #666 on: April 08, 2012, 06:55:15 PM »

Does Kermit say "Rabbit" today instead of "ribbit" in honor of Easter? 

Just wondering....
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« Reply #667 on: April 08, 2012, 11:49:37 PM »

Anita Hugen I have the monkey mask he is wearing on my face. Give him my regards. He made me look so much better!
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I think she meant to say that.
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« Reply #668 on: April 09, 2012, 12:19:11 AM »

 Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #669 on: April 09, 2012, 12:23:46 AM »

YES, MUCH BETTER!   Monkey Devil!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #670 on: April 09, 2012, 12:50:28 AM »

I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.
The acorn does not fall far from the tree.

Maybe she's still in the denial phase. I hope she's received some professional counseling, and not just from her brother.
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« Reply #671 on: April 09, 2012, 02:08:39 AM »

Glad our Texas monkeys are OK and thanks to CBB for that wonderful report.

We're still here for Justice for Natalee!
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« Reply #672 on: April 09, 2012, 02:33:08 AM »

That's probably the closest Anita will ever be to a naked man!

Sorry. . . I am so sorry. . .Mods, please feel free to delete if this is too much.

Just saying, however. . . . .
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« Reply #673 on: April 09, 2012, 04:12:54 AM »

That's probably the closest Anita will ever be to a naked man!

Sorry. . . I am so sorry. . .Mods, please feel free to delete if this is too much.

Just saying, however. . . . .

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #674 on: April 09, 2012, 04:13:49 AM »




Justice for Natalee!

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #675 on: April 10, 2012, 08:32:47 AM »

I wondered if it isn't time to make a 'monkeys review' about this unsolved case to find in the end Natalee's body, so she can brought home ?

Her body can still be found !
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« Reply #676 on: April 10, 2012, 09:02:30 AM »

I wondered if it isn't time to make a 'monkeys review' about this unsolved case to find in the end Natalee's body, so she can brought home ?

Her body can still be found !

Why don't you get us started Jonathan45 by telling us again where you think her body can be found?  TIA!
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« Reply #677 on: April 10, 2012, 12:13:09 PM »

If John Silvetti/Louis Schaeffer/Kyle Kingman were compelled through a civil action to produced the three ROV videos of the dives ... maybe legal pressure could be put on Aruban authorities to return Natalee to her family?

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There were three ROV dive videos of the trap.

Video 1 : 29th Dec - ROV visual inspection of the trap.

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Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.

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Video 3:  Jan 7th - ROV monitoring diver tactile inspection of the trap with sampling of items inside and outside of trap.  The trap was not recovered.  Recovered samples sent for forensic analysis.

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The trap in Video 1-3 was found from the first conducted ROV dive.  I found the target at 1:46 am on Christmas morning.  It was my #1 ranked priority target and therefore the first of the ROV dive series. 

Several hours of footage were of other dives on other targets.  None were of any relevance. Most targets were of peculiar coral pinnacles, man-made debris, and ship wrecks

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:   On the contrary, neither Dave, Robin, or Beth has seen any of the ROV footage aside from what was broadcasted on Dateline or the pictures leaked from the FBI to Dave (and Robin H.). Beth has seen nothing in my knowledge.  Oh, noone has possession of any footage except Tim Trahan, an archived copy on the Persistence, and myself.

Kyle Kingman: I couldn't get the logs from the Persistence. All things "Holloway" were stripped from the boat once it got back to Louisiana. I had some stuff on my hard drive, but not those logs with the names. The logs and other information are in an unknown secure location. Only two people know that location and I am not one of them. I know better not even to ask about it, especially now."

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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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« Reply #678 on: April 10, 2012, 02:24:36 PM »

I have been amazed at Anita's seemingly lack of emotion following both her husbands death and the murder of Stephany by her son Joran.  She seems to just keep enjoying herself.  I'm not sure after Joran killed Stephany I could go on knowing that I spawned that monster.

I agree Klaas.

On so many levels ... if I were in Anita's place ... I would be a broken woman once it dawned on me that the death of two young women may have been the result of raising my son up to believe that he was somehow above the moral and legal boundaries established within a civilized society ... above the related consequences. 

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updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


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JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Summons and Complaint
Elizabeth Ann Twitty and Dave Edward Holloway
vs. Joran van der Sloot and Paulus van der Sloot


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11. Joran van der Sloot is not stranger to sexual assault on women.

12.  On at least three occasions prior to May, 2005, young Aruban women alleged that they were victims of "date rape" perpetrated by Joran and his accomplices.

13.  Using Ecstasy as his "date rape" drug of choice, Joran prowled the island, seeking to prey on young female tourists, especially blondes.

14 Joran’s proclivities, at a young age, were known to both of his parents, Paulus Van der Sloot and wife, Anita.

15. As recently as May 2005, Joran was receiving psychological counselling for his problems.

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81. Defendant Paulus van der Sloot knew his minor child, Joran van der Sloot, had a long history of sexual assaults on young women.

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http://news.findlaw.com/cnn/docs/hway/hwayvds21606cmp5.html

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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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« Reply #679 on: April 11, 2012, 09:40:07 AM »

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I wondered if it isn't time to make a 'monkeys review' about this unsolved case to find in the end Natalee's body, so she can brought home ?

Her body can still be found !

Why don't you get us started Jonathan45 by telling us again where you think her body can be found?  TIA!

@Klaasend

My first area would be the Frans Figaroa Soccer Stadium. Very close to Joran's residency. In June 2005 this area was under construction. The buildings were almost ready, so Joran couldn't hide her body there. The soccerfield however was not ready at all. They had to install a drainage system for the artificial soccerfield. More then 40 cm soil [sandy] had to be removed before the installation could proceed. Then we have the fence area out en inside the property. Also sandy at the time and not ready when Natalee disappeared.
This flat area has never been searched.
It isn't difficult to search it with a groundradar and other instruments. You never know if Joran forgot to remove a ring or some other jewelry from Natalee. I don't know if she had such things, but if....

Maybe you should put a Google map with this area on the forum again. So people can see what I meant. As you know I still am convinced, based on the timeline between 1.30 - 3.30 am the night Natalee was killed and dumped by Joran, that Natalee's body was buried/hidden close to the VDS residence.

 
 
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