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« Reply #220 on: May 24, 2012, 10:50:46 PM »

I'm not sure that you've seen this before or even if it belongs in this thread (but I know you guys would find this amusing/disgusting):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/22/gary-giordano-robyn-gardner-aruba-indecent-exposure-maryland_n_1537602.html?ref=topbar

Gary Giordano, Robyn Gardner Disappearance Suspect, Charged With Indecent Exposure
Updated: 05/22/2012

(snip)  Around 6 p.m. last Friday, Gary Giordano, 51, was arrested in Maryland when police found him naked in his Cadillac Escalade, the Gaithersburg Patch reported. Giordano and his female companion, 46-year-old Carol Ann Bock of Tennessee, were apparently engaging in sexual activity on a mattress in the car while it was parked in an Annapolis garage.  (snip)
how old is he? having sex in a car in a  garage on a mattress...speaks volumes about him.

Well, yes. He is a gigoondo nut bar... I remember.  ...but what is even more intriguing to me, he found a "date".

He was in the spotlight for weeks upon weeks. Where did this woman come from? She won the Darwin for 2012!!!!

Carol Ann Bock of Tennessee... COME ON DOWWWWWWN!!!!

She needs to make a little speech.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #221 on: May 25, 2012, 01:22:43 AM »

http://www.amigoe.com/english/112338-gary-giordano-arrested-for-immoral-behavior-

Gary Giordano arrested for immoral behavior
Wednesday, 23 May 2012 11:30

ORANJESTAD/MARYLAND ó Gary Giordano (51), who is still the main suspect in the disappearance and probable death of Robyn Gardner last year, was arrested in the United States last week for Ďimmoral behaviorí. The police had caught him naked in a car in a parking garage while performing sexual acts with a woman. Both were arrested.The American media made the most of this story.
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The American Giordano attracted publicity in August 2011 when his traveling companion Robyn Gardner disappeared without a trace during a holiday on Aruba. He was arrested and detained for several months on suspicion of involvement with her disappearance but was eventually released owing to lack of evidence. This case is still unsolved and Giordano remains the only suspect. Especially in the American media Gardnerís disappearance was linked to the disappearance of another white and blond American female on our island, namely Natalee Holloway, in 2005.
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« Reply #222 on: May 25, 2012, 10:16:35 AM »




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« Reply #223 on: May 25, 2012, 10:18:38 AM »

I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING

Loving Natalee
A Motherís Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 14-15:
  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.
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« Reply #224 on: May 25, 2012, 10:19:44 AM »

THE PROVERBIAL DREADED PHONE CALL

Loving Natalee
A Motherís Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 23:
  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.  The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.
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« Reply #226 on: May 25, 2012, 10:33:20 AM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8601.msg1237615#msg1237615

Quote from: carpe noctem on September 27, 2010, 10:41:06 PM



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Wubs ya, Beth!

Just keep on doing what you believe to be right.

This case was so full of tin men, cowards, and scoundrels.

Let them continue to self-destruct and fall.

...and you keep on going!


The question was simple...

It's as clear today as it was on day #1.

WHERE'S MY DAUGHTER?

 

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #227 on: May 26, 2012, 02:27:12 PM »

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0510/741129.html

Talking To Beth Holloway Five Years After Natalee's Disappearance
05/30/10 1:45 pm   |   reporter: Ebony Hall   posted by: Ebony Hall



Mountain Brook, AL - It was a story that made headlines across the globe. The search for missing Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway. The story that dominated the airwaves- also took over Beth Holloway's life. She is Natalee's mother, and five years later, she is still looking for answers and hoping Aruban prosecutors can close this case.

"I'm not sure if there is anything new, but they are processing all the leads and the tips that they have received."

Natalee is now presumed dead, but no one knows how she died or why.
We've really tried to be so careful and not to speculate as to what happened an just stick with the known facts."

We do know that Natalee was last seen alive with Dutch teen Joran van der Sloot at Carlos n' Charlie's. Over the years, van der Sloot has told many stories of what happened that night. All the while Beth listened to each of these tales hoping to find a thread of truth.

"I think there was one where he said he sold her alive.I think there was another where he said she fell of a balcony in a swamp. I think now it's become so muddy for me that no my journey for justice is not ended."

It's been five years since Natalee disappeared. Legally, her family could now file for a death certificate in Alabama, but they have not thus far since Natalee disappeared abroad.
"We know that Natalee is no longer alive. I know we had talked about that earlier, few years ago,but it is not something that we have done yet."

Over the years, Beth and her family have learned how to deal with the pain of losing Natalee, but it is still an open wound. In March, a Pennsylvania couple thought they may have taken a picture of a body- maybe Natalee's body- on the ocean floor. News like that- always makes the family hopeful.

"You know I got caught up for a just- you get taken in. But as I said, there is a quicker recovery time where I am able to compartmentalize it and focus on what I can do..."

She is now focused on her new life's work which was born out of the death of her daughter.

"Tragedy creates an opportunity to make a difference."

Making A Difference
Beth Holloway thought she knew exactly who she was more than five years ago.

"My life was defined with two children, a marriage, job and home. When a tragedy strikes, you lose everything."

During the Memorial Day weekend of 2005, Beth's life changed forever. With Natalee missing, she was now the mother of one- not two. She would later divorce her then husband Jug Twitty. So she was no longer a wife. Her life "definition" changed- and with it so did her life's purpose.

"I received the call that all mothers and fathers dread from the moment their children is born- that my daughter was missing."

So now her mission is to help others. Beth tells the story of Natalee's disappearance to high school and college students round the nation as part of her work with the Natalee Holloway Resource Center,which launches in D.C. on June 8.

"The Natalee Holloway Resource Center is focusing on education and crime prevention, and in the event that a loved one goes missing we have the resources and the contacts to assist the families."

Beth says she had no idea who to contact in Aruba when Natalee went missing. She also knew nothing about the Dutch system of Justice or who was in charge. Out of her frustration a new global security and assistance company was born. It's called Mayday 360.

"When I present to these high school and college students, I could give them the personal safety and travel safety message, but I really felt like I couldn't equip them with a real tangible resource. And I feel with Mayday 360, I can because that is real time, real security assistance, 24 hours a day, seven days a week."

She says her definition of herself continues to evolve, but everything she does now can be traced back five years to Aruba- the place where paradise met tragedy. The place that gave birth to her new life's work and hope that..

"No one will ever experience what I did heading home from a family vacation on Memorial Day."





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« Reply #228 on: May 26, 2012, 02:30:44 PM »

Seven years has come and gone since Mother and Daughter's final goodbye.

Could it be that a concience will emerge from one who was aboard the Persistance ... one who witnessed the betrayal of Natalee Holloway's family when the ship's Project Lead afforded unchallenged the contents of the trap to the Aruban enemy ... the Aruban ememy who has prevented justice from prevailing since the morning of May 30, 2005?

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At Any Give Moment

Beth Holloway's Story
The Oprah Winfrey Show  |  March 14, 2008


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Despite what authorities have said, Beth says the case of her daughter's disappearance remains open for her family. "We've never really relied on an investigative approach to finding an answer," she says. "I think what we've relied on more heavily is at any given moment something unexpected could happen, and we really feel like someone could talk at any moment."

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http://www.oprah.com/world/Beth-Holloways-Story/3

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« Reply #229 on: May 26, 2012, 06:09:27 PM »

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« Reply #230 on: May 26, 2012, 06:47:29 PM »

Thanks MuffyBee

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« Reply #231 on: May 26, 2012, 06:48:59 PM »

Thanks MuffyBee

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« Reply #232 on: May 26, 2012, 08:47:09 PM »

WOW! Memorial Day Weekend 7 years later!

Prayers for Natalee's loved ones!
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« Reply #233 on: May 26, 2012, 10:20:58 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=20

Google translation:

In short

FRIDAY, MAY 25, 2012 9:02

Too late in a house in a man tried Angochi LA (38) Wednesday to hang himself, but he was found by family members still alive. Despite help from the ambulance and other emergency services, was A. later declared clinically dead.
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http://www.awe24.com/20120523/10819/Na_Angochi_famia_a_bin_haya_homber_cu_a_purba_pone_fin_na_su_bida_y_nan_a_kite

Papiamentu translation:

at angochi family owing to come achieve man cu owing to try place end at his life y they owing to kite for of the tree

3 day happen come across, 23 of half 2012 21:46

diaranzon night algo rato first cu 9 or owing to enter informe cu one person owing to try place end at his life at angochi, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu one person masculino of 39 year of surname owing to.l. owing to try place end at his life door horca his self bao of one kill, but familiarnan owing to haye at y at once owing to place abao provided that espera of ambulance. but debi cu not was have ambulance available owing to ask the hour ey esun of san nicolas cual was the first for desocupa for bay at the sitio. at arrival of ambulance they owing to achieve they self work enough rato cu the victima first cu owing to transporte cu urgencia for hospital mirando in what situation the victima was. slachtofferhulp also owing to present at the cas! according we can owing to compronde of personal of ambulance cu during cu they was give asistencia ne victima, familiarnan was haci problem y till even wanted owing to fight cu they. ambulance is present for accomplish cu they duty of save life of person y not for molestia y mucho less for make problem. this is assure one caso of lamenta y condena. for locual is the servicio of ambulance they're haci all locual is at alcanse for give one mihor servicio but the minister responsable for salubridad cual is more abroad of aruba cu at aruba self owing to stay stick in time cu aruba was have 50000 inhabitant cu 2 post of ambulance, while aruba owing to casi triplifica in the cantidad of person. minister "wake up" y aggrandize the cantidad of ambulance at keep because so only can save life of person. or life of person not be worth?. come across
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #234 on: May 27, 2012, 09:40:16 AM »

1.  No ambulance available?
2.  50k inhabitants?  I thought it was 90k?  Did 40k leave? 
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« Reply #235 on: May 27, 2012, 10:52:58 AM »

1.  No ambulance available?
2.  50k inhabitants?  I thought it was 90k?  Did 40k leave? 

The 40k may be hiding making donkey bone chachkies and leaving them all over the island   
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« Reply #236 on: May 27, 2012, 11:09:03 AM »

1.  No ambulance available?
2.  50k inhabitants?  I thought it was 90k?  Did 40k leave?  

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https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/aa.html
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Population:
   Field info displayed for all countries in alpha order.
107,635 (July 2012 est.)
country comparison to the world: 190
note: estimate based on a revision of the base population, fertility, and mortality numbers, as well as a revision of 1985-99 migration estimates from outmigration to inmigration, which is assumed to continue into the future; the new results are consistent with the 2000 census
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« Reply #237 on: May 27, 2012, 12:37:41 PM »

I DROVE AWAY WITHOUT KNOWING

Loving Natalee
A Motherís Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Page 14-15:
  On Thursday May 26, 2005, Natalee came into my bedroom at three o'clock in the morning to tell me it was almost time to go. Everyone was gathering at a friend's house for the ride to the airport. My job was to pick everyone up at the airport when they returned on Memorial Day, Monday, May 30, 2005.

While Natalee was going to be out of town, Jug was going to his lake house to visit with his family and friends. In our marriage, the second for both of us, we rarely vacationed together. My son, Matt, had made his own plans with friends for the weekend, so it was the perfect time for me to take a much-needed, overdue trip to my family's lake house in Hot Springs, Arkansas. I had not been there in a very long time. Birmingham is about nine hours away, so it was just too long a drive since moving here to make the trip on a regular basis. I was very much looking forward to visiting with my family. Everyone's plans were made.

In the wee hours on this Thursday morning Natalee and I loaded her things in the back of the car and headed off to her friend's house. It was very dark at that hour, and we were both only half awake. But we did talk some. Small talk. We reviewed what she had packed, going through a mental checklist of passport, cash, camera, sunscreen, and the like. When we arrived at her friend's house, she came to life. The adventure she had been excitedly awaiting for months was finally about to begin. She jumped out of the car and bounced to the back to get her bag. I got out and walked around the car to help her. She gathered her things and looked up long enough for me to kiss her on the cheek.

"I love you! Have a great time!" I told her.

She replied, "Bye, Mom! Love you!" and slung her purple duffel bag over her shoulder.

The bag made her walk slightly bent to its opposite side. I got back in the car as she made her way up the long walkway to the front door. Turning the car around to leave, I stopped and looked back over my shoulder to see her go inside. The front door of the house opened just wide enough for her to slip in. I saw her silhouette in the beam of light that shone from inside. The light narrowed as the door closed, then disappeared completely. It was pitch-black again. I drove away not knowing that would be the last time I would ever see Natalee.


Thank you for posting this Janet, it is every parent's nightmare and this holiday weekend must be unbearable each time it passes for this family. I don't think I could survive it.

It's just so poignant..........

One has to wonder if Anita and Aruba ever lost a moment to caring one iota for the loss, only for their own sorry hides.
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« Reply #238 on: May 27, 2012, 04:09:02 PM »


Thank you for posting this Janet, it is every parent's nightmare and this holiday weekend must be unbearable each time it passes for this family. I don't think I could survive it.

It's just so poignant..........

One has to wonder if Anita and Aruba ever lost a moment to caring one iota for the loss, only for their own sorry hides.

Hi none

 

I realize that Beth has been on a personal mission since departing from the Island in August, 2005 ... a mission to rise from "victim to victor" over her circumstances but ... each anniversary which marks that defining point in time when her life changed forever has to be sooo difficult.

Anita van der Sloot?  What can I say other than that woman does not get it.  Even when it about her son's victims ... it is about her.

Janet

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Nothing has Remained Intact

Loving Natalee
A Motherís Testament of Hope and Faith
By Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

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:  Nothing of my life before Natalee disappeared in Aruba has remained intact.  Not my career.  Not my home.  Not my marriage.  My husband, Jug, and I are divorcing after six years.  My son, Natalee's younger brother, Matt, and I are moving in two days.  I have a lot to do.


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Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

Anita: I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1164835#msg1164835


Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005


ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html
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« Reply #239 on: May 27, 2012, 05:17:30 PM »

I Will Press On

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

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  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.

Page 232:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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ďA person of integrity expects to be believed and when heís not, he letís time prove him right.Ē -unknown
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