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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #865 5/02/12 - 7/23/12  (Read 350556 times)
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« Reply #340 on: June 05, 2012, 12:34:18 PM »

According to the information cited from the extradition treaty in the article, both parties to the treaty "may" postpone extradition.  So...it is not must postpone because the Supreme Court made the recommendation?

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/dpps/news/peru-court-us-can-extradite-joran-van-der-sloot-after-prison-dpgapx-20120605-fc_20485638

Peru Court: US Can Extradite Joran Van Der Sloot After Prison
Updated: Tuesday, 05 Jun 2012, 7:55 AM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 05 Jun 2012, 7:54 AM CDT
CARLA SALAZAR,Associated Press

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Federal prosecutors in Birmingham, Alabama, where Van der Sloot is charged, declined to comment on the court's decision. Kelly said he had no immediate comment.
 
Altez told The Associated Press that the Supreme Court's decision follows a pattern in Peru. "There are various people in the same situation and they will all be extradited when they finish their sentences. There's no reason Joran van der Sloot should be different," he said.
 
A copy of the decision obtained by the AP cites the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty, first signed in 1899 and an additional 1990 agreement, as specifying that both parties may postpone extradition until after a condemned criminal has finished serving his or her sentence.
 
The decision cites three recent cases involving convicted criminals wanted by Spain, Argentina and the United States as precedents.
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« Reply #341 on: June 05, 2012, 01:06:00 PM »

I am anticipating the reaction of Birmingham prosecutors and John Kelly to the decision of the Peruvian Supreme Court in regards to extradition.  Extradition 28 years down the road does not make sense when it comes witness testimonies.

Then again ... maybe ... just maybe ... in the year 2040 a 93 year old Monkey named Tamikosmom will be following two trials ... the extortion of Beth Holloway and ... the defamation of the Kalpoe brothers.
 
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Peru court: Can extradite Dutchman after prison
June 4, 2012, 2:55 p.m. PDT


LIMA, Peru (AP) ó U.S. prosecutors who want to try Joran van der Sloot for extortion related to the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teen Natalee Holloway will have to wait until he finishes serving a murder sentence in Peru, this nation's Supreme Court has ruled.

Van der Sloot's lawyer, who was notified of the decision Friday, said Monday that he expects his client will be made to serve at least two-thirds of the 28-year sentence.

The court's May 23 decision on extradition is not final, however. Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must endorse it, said the lawyer, Maximo Altez.

Van der Sloot, 24, faces extortion and wire fraud charges in Alabama in connection with Holloway's unsolved disappearance in Aruba exactly five years before he killed Peruvian college student Stephany Flores after meeting her in a Lima casino.

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The Dutchman, who was raised in Aruba, remains the prime suspect in the Holloway disappearance on the Caribbean island, and the U.S. charges stem from his alleged acceptance of $25,000 in early 2010 in exchange for an unfulfilled promise to lead her mother's lawyer, John Q. Kelly, to the body.

Federal prosecutors in Birmingham, Alabama, where Van der Sloot is charged, declined to comment on the court's decision. Kelly said he had no immediate comment.

Altez told The Associated Press that the Supreme Court's decision follows a pattern in Peru. "There are various people in the same situation and they will all be extradited when they finish their sentences. There's no reason Joran van der Sloot should be different," he said.

A copy of the decision obtained by the AP cites the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty, first signed in 1899 and an additional 1990 agreement, as specifying that both parties may postpone extradition until after a condemned criminal has finished serving his or her sentence.

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Van der Sloot is appealing his sentence, and the Supreme Court said that if the appeal is successful he could be extradited immediately thereafter. Altez said his client would resist that.

"At the end of the day, the decision on whether to extradite Joran is political," he said.

He contends Van der Sloot could not receive a fair trial in the United States "because he's been satanized by the press. He is seen as a demon in the United States and would be judged by a jury made up of common people who are influenced by the press and would surely give him the maximum sentence."


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« Reply #342 on: June 05, 2012, 03:28:39 PM »

MSM Finally Reports that Peru Court Approves Joran Van Der Sloot Extradition to US on Extortion Charges in Connection with Death of Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/06/05/msm-finally-reports-that-peru-court-approves-joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-to-us-on-extortion-charges-in-connection-with-death-of-natalee-holloway/

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As Scared Monkeys reported last Saturday, the MSM has finally decided to report that Peru courts have approved Joran Van der Slootís extradition to the United States on extortion and wire fraud charges.However, according to the courtís decision, Van der Sloot must first serve his 28 year sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores before he can be extradited to the US on extortion charges.  Before the decision is made final, it must be approved by Peruís justice minister and Cabinet.
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MSM, better late than never I guess.


The Peruvian Supreme court has effectively afforded Joran van der Sloot a pass in regards to the extortion charges waiting in the States.  Even if Joran receives full reduction credits and is released in 9 years ... the Birmingham case against this psychopath ... in all probability ... will have been compromised and ... the charges dropped.  IMO.

When the furthering of justice is considered ... the Peruvian Supreme Court ruling and simple logic do not equate.  IMO.

If the the Peruvian Justice Minister and Cabinet rule likewise ... could the implication be that there are forces behind the scenes protecting Joran van der Sloot. 

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« Reply #343 on: June 05, 2012, 04:57:51 PM »

MSM Finally Reports that Peru Court Approves Joran Van Der Sloot Extradition to US on Extortion Charges in Connection with Death of Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/06/05/msm-finally-reports-that-peru-court-approves-joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-to-us-on-extortion-charges-in-connection-with-death-of-natalee-holloway/

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As Scared Monkeys reported last Saturday, the MSM has finally decided to report that Peru courts have approved Joran Van der Slootís extradition to the United States on extortion and wire fraud charges.However, according to the courtís decision, Van der Sloot must first serve his 28 year sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores before he can be extradited to the US on extortion charges.  Before the decision is made final, it must be approved by Peruís justice minister and Cabinet.
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MSM, better late than never I guess.


The Peruvian Supreme court has effectively afforded Joran van der Sloot a pass in regards to the extortion charges waiting in the States.  Even if Joran receives full reduction credits and is released in 9 years ... the Birmingham case against this psychopath ... in all probability ... will have been compromised and ... the charges dropped.  IMO.

When the furthering of justice is considered ... the Peruvian Supreme Court ruling and simple logic do not equate.  IMO.

If the the Peruvian Justice Minister and Cabinet rule likewise ... could the implication be that there are forces behind the scenes protecting Joran van der Sloot. 

Janet


What on earth makes you say that?  Why do you think the case will be compromised and charges dropped?  That doesn't make sense.  I fully expect in 9 years for Joran to be extradited to the US for trial.  Hopefully he'll then get life in prison and begin serving his life term in Federal Prison.  I'm not worried one bit. 
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« Reply #344 on: June 05, 2012, 05:20:44 PM »

MSM Finally Reports that Peru Court Approves Joran Van Der Sloot Extradition to US on Extortion Charges in Connection with Death of Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/06/05/msm-finally-reports-that-peru-court-approves-joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-to-us-on-extortion-charges-in-connection-with-death-of-natalee-holloway/

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As Scared Monkeys reported last Saturday, the MSM has finally decided to report that Peru courts have approved Joran Van der Slootís extradition to the United States on extortion and wire fraud charges.However, according to the courtís decision, Van der Sloot must first serve his 28 year sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores before he can be extradited to the US on extortion charges.  Before the decision is made final, it must be approved by Peruís justice minister and Cabinet.
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MSM, better late than never I guess.


The Peruvian Supreme court has effectively afforded Joran van der Sloot a pass in regards to the extortion charges waiting in the States.  Even if Joran receives full reduction credits and is released in 9 years ... the Birmingham case against this psychopath ... in all probability ... will have been compromised and ... the charges dropped.  IMO.

When the furthering of justice is considered ... the Peruvian Supreme Court ruling and simple logic do not equate.  IMO.

If the the Peruvian Justice Minister and Cabinet rule likewise ... could the implication be that there are forces behind the scenes protecting Joran van der Sloot. 

Janet


What on earth makes you say that?  Why do you think the case will be compromised and charges dropped?  That doesn't make sense.  I fully expect in 9 years for Joran to be extradited to the US for trial.  Hopefully he'll then get life in prison and begin serving his life term in Federal Prison.  I'm not worried one bit. 

Klaas

I am.

IF Joran qualifies for full reduction credits ... in 9 years all witnesses involved in the sting may not be available for varying reasons to testify on behalf of the Beth Holloway.  If he does not qualify ... in 28 years ... the number of witnesses will be reduced substantially.  IMO

Anyways ... why did the Peruvian Supreme Court rule against immediate extradition of Joran to the States to face extortion charges once there was a ruling on the appeal of his sentence?  Joran would have been returned to Peru to finish his Peruvian sentence at the completion of the trial.  In the name of justice for Beth Holloway ... an immediate trial would have made so much more sense.  IMO

Janet
 
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« Reply #345 on: June 05, 2012, 05:31:36 PM »

MSM Finally Reports that Peru Court Approves Joran Van Der Sloot Extradition to US on Extortion Charges in Connection with Death of Natalee Holloway

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/06/05/msm-finally-reports-that-peru-court-approves-joran-van-der-sloot-extradition-to-us-on-extortion-charges-in-connection-with-death-of-natalee-holloway/

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As Scared Monkeys reported last Saturday, the MSM has finally decided to report that Peru courts have approved Joran Van der Slootís extradition to the United States on extortion and wire fraud charges.However, according to the courtís decision, Van der Sloot must first serve his 28 year sentence for the murder of Stephany Flores before he can be extradited to the US on extortion charges.  Before the decision is made final, it must be approved by Peruís justice minister and Cabinet.
::snipping2::

MSM, better late than never I guess.


The Peruvian Supreme court has effectively afforded Joran van der Sloot a pass in regards to the extortion charges waiting in the States.  Even if Joran receives full reduction credits and is released in 9 years ... the Birmingham case against this psychopath ... in all probability ... will have been compromised and ... the charges dropped.  IMO.

When the furthering of justice is considered ... the Peruvian Supreme Court ruling and simple logic do not equate.  IMO.

If the the Peruvian Justice Minister and Cabinet rule likewise ... could the implication be that there are forces behind the scenes protecting Joran van der Sloot. 

Janet


What on earth makes you say that?  Why do you think the case will be compromised and charges dropped?  That doesn't make sense.  I fully expect in 9 years for Joran to be extradited to the US for trial.  Hopefully he'll then get life in prison and begin serving his life term in Federal Prison.  I'm not worried one bit. 

Klaas

I am.

IF Joran qualifies for full reduction credits ... in 9 years all witnesses involved in the sting may not be available for varying reasons to testify on behalf of the Beth Holloway.  If he does not qualify ... in 28 years ... the number of witnesses will be reduced substantially.  IMO

Anyways ... why did the Peruvian Supreme Court rule against immediate extradition of Joran to the States to face extortion charges once there was a ruling on the appeal of his sentence?  Joran would have been returned to Peru to finish his Peruvian sentence at the completion of the trial.  In the name of justice for Beth Holloway ... an immediate trial would have made so much more sense.  IMO

Janet
 

All of the witnesses have already given their statements it's not like they will forget what happened.   Why would Peru let loose of Joran to come to the US when he murdered one of their own?  Murder trumps extortion IMO (even though we believe he also murdered Natalee).  What we want and what is the expected are two different things. 

Yes, I would love for Peru to let Joran come to the USA for a trial then go back to jail in Peru after but I would have been shocked if it happened that way.
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« Reply #346 on: June 05, 2012, 05:34:22 PM »


The Peruvian Supreme court has effectively afforded Joran van der Sloot a pass in regards to the extortion charges waiting in the States.  Even if Joran receives full reduction credits and is released in 9 years ... the Birmingham case against this psychopath ... in all probability ... will have been compromised and ... the charges dropped.  IMO.

When the furthering of justice is considered ... the Peruvian Supreme Court ruling and simple logic do not equate.  IMO.

If the the Peruvian Justice Minister and Cabinet rule likewise ... could the implication be that there are forces behind the scenes protecting Joran van der Sloot. 

Janet


There aren't any forces behind the scenes protecting Joran.

Joran got lucky in Aruba b/c his Daddy knew people in a corrupt society who were willing to do anything to protect their precious island and therefore their own lifestyles.  Daddy is DEAD.

Joran screwed up and got caught at killing Stephany and extorting Beth.  Now he has to pay for his crimes.  He was convicted of the murder of Stephany and received a 28 year sentence in a Peruvian prison with horrendous living conditions.

He was indicted in the USA for his extortion of Beth and wire fraud. His extradition to the USA has been approved.

Doesn't sound to me like he has friends in high places protecting him.  There is nothing to be read between the lines, no conspiracies, no requests from the Netherlands for extradition, no protection for Joran.  Joran is frightened to come to the USA and miserable in Peru, as well he should be.  He is just beginning his paybacks!!
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« Reply #347 on: June 05, 2012, 05:51:11 PM »


All of the witnesses have already given their statements it's not like they will forget what happened.   Why would Peru let loose of Joran to come to the US when he murdered one of their own?  Murder trumps extortion IMO (even though we believe he also murdered Natalee).  What we want and what is the expected are two different things. 

Yes, I would love for Peru to let Joran come to the USA for a trial then go back to jail in Peru after but I would have been shocked if it happened that way.

Klaas

If God's wills.  It is a good possibility that I could be pushing up daisies in nine years.  In 28 years in all probability I will be pushing up daisies.

Are statements sufficient in a court of law?  Do defence attorneys not have the right to cross examine a witness?

Klaas ... less than one month ago Joran's own attorney believed that the extradition of Joran was imminent.  I am anticipating John Kelly's reaction and ... the Birmingham prosecutor's reaction.

Anyways ... I am so disappointed in the Peruvian Supreme Courts ruling.  my heart breaks for Beth.  The emotional roller coaster of hope and dispair must be h---.

Janet

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May 8, 2012 6:55pm
Joran Van Der Slootís Lawyer Says U.S. Extradition Inevitable


ABC Newsí Joe Goldman in Lima, Peru, reports:

The extradition of Joran van der Sloot to the U.S. on charges of wire fraud and extortion in connection with the death of Natalee Holloway will likely take place this summer, his lawyer told ABC News today.

ďThe power of the United States will assure that Joran has to face a U.S. judge and I think the extradition will happen probably in two or three months,Ē Maximo Altez  said in an exclusve interview with ABC News.

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/05/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-says-u-s-extradition-inevitable/
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« Reply #348 on: June 05, 2012, 06:05:49 PM »

Why did the Peruvian Supreme Court not honor the U.S.Peru Extradition Treaty?

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Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
Published May 09, 2012


Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

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Under the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty he would be returned to Peru to finish out his sentence. Then, if he were convicted in the U.S., he would be sent there to serve the second sentence.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/
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The next wave?  My sincere hope is that the Peruvian Justice Minister and Cabinet will overrule the Peruvian Supreme Court decision and ... following Joran's sentencing appeal he will be immediately extradited to Birmingham to face extortion charges and ... Beth Holloway will not have to wait 9-28 years to hear the words "GUILTY AS CHARGED".  In otherwords ... the Monkey Justice train will not be delayed.

It is not about extorted money as far as I am concerned.  It is about the emotional h--- that Joran bestowed on Beth when he afforded her the hope of bringing her precious daughter home after five long years to rest on American soil and then negated.  Joran is despicable!  He does not empathize.  He does not possess a conscience.

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« Reply #350 on: June 05, 2012, 07:23:34 PM »

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« Reply #351 on: June 05, 2012, 07:29:11 PM »

Why did the Peruvian Supreme Court not honor the U.S.Peru Extradition Treaty?

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Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
Published May 09, 2012


Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

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Under the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty he would be returned to Peru to finish out his sentence. Then, if he were convicted in the U.S., he would be sent there to serve the second sentence.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/

Court systems in other countries all interpret things differently -- not because of corruption, but because they are just plain different. We don't have to like it. I just read that the "Canadian Homosexual Cannibal" would only get 25 years in Canada for his crimes -- that's less than Peru gave Joran!!  Go figure.
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« Reply #352 on: June 05, 2012, 07:37:36 PM »

Why did the Peruvian Supreme Court not honor the U.S.Peru Extradition Treaty?

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot to Fight US Extradition from Peru
Published May 09, 2012


Judge Zenaida Vilca informed Van der Sloot of the U.S. extradition request during a closed door meeting at Piedras Gordas prison just north of Lima. The 24-year-old Dutchman told the judge he would fight extradition, his lawyer, Maximo Altez, said.

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Under the U.S.-Peru extradition treaty he would be returned to Peru to finish out his sentence. Then, if he were convicted in the U.S., he would be sent there to serve the second sentence.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/05/09/joran-van-der-sloot-to-fight-us-extradition/

Court systems in other countries all interpret things differently -- not because of corruption, but because they are just plain different. We don't have to like it. I just read that the "Canadian Homosexual Cannibal" would only get 25 years in Canada for his crimes -- that's less than Peru gave Joran!!  Go figure.

 

The scales of justice do not balance in any system if he/she who premeditatively takes a life is not legally required to forfeit his/her life.  Anything less is devaluing the life of the victim.  IMO

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« Reply #353 on: June 05, 2012, 08:04:43 PM »

Judicial System

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The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proťtica Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutions in Peru. User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.

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« Reply #354 on: June 05, 2012, 08:44:46 PM »


The Peruvian Supreme court has effectively afforded Joran van der Sloot a pass in regards to the extortion charges waiting in the States.  Even if Joran receives full reduction credits and is released in 9 years ... the Birmingham case against this psychopath ... in all probability ... will have been compromised and ... the charges dropped.  IMO.

When the furthering of justice is considered ... the Peruvian Supreme Court ruling and simple logic do not equate.  IMO.

If the the

Peruvian Justice Minister and Cabinet rule likewise ... could the implication be that there are forces behind the scenes protecting Joran van der Sloot. 

Janet


There aren't any forces behind the scenes protecting Joran.

Joran got lucky in Aruba b/c his Daddy knew people in a corrupt society who were willing to do anything to protect their precious island and therefore their own lifestyles.  Daddy is DEAD.

Joran screwed up and got caught at killing Stephany and extorting Beth.  Now he has to pay for his crimes.  He was convicted of the murder of Stephany and received a 28 year sentence in a Peruvian prison with horrendous living conditions.

He was indicted in the USA for his extortion of Beth and wire fraud. His extradition to the USA has been approved.

Doesn't sound to me like he has friends in high places protecting him.  There is nothing to be read between the lines, no conspiracies, no requests from the Netherlands for extradition, no protection for Joran.  Joran is frightened to come to the USA and miserable in Peru, as well he should be.  He is just beginning his paybacks!!


Well said, Jamcakes, and I agree. 
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« Reply #355 on: June 05, 2012, 09:45:31 PM »

Judicial System

Individual Corruption


The Peruvian judicial system is tainted with corruption and official pressure, according to the US Department of State 2010. Similarly, Freedom House 2011 reports that corruption in the judiciary remains rampant. Also Transparency International's Global Corruption Barometer 2010 points out that the judiciary is among the most corrupt public institutions in Peru. According to the report, well over half of the surveyed households consider it as 'extremely corrupt', while more than a quarter reports having paid a bribe in 2009. Also, in the Proťtica Fifth National Survey on Corruption 2008, the surveyed citizens consider the judiciary to be among the most corrupt institutionsin Peru.  User surveys also indicate that unofficial payments affect both the speed and the final outcome of judicial processes.

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http://www.business-anti-corruption.com/country-profiles/latin-america-the-caribbean/peru/corruption-levels/judicial-system/


Consider the truth originating from a credible source remains elusive ... speculating is where it is at.  I could be wrong but I suspect that San's prediction never happened because Joran is being appeased to assure his silence?

1.  According to Stephany's father ... privileges Joran has received since "day one" implies he "lives like a king" in the Peruvian lockup.

2.  Rather than a life sentence ... Joran received a 28 year sentence which translates into 9 years with credit reductions for a murder beyond brutal.

3.  According to Joran's attorney the Peru-Netherland prisoner exchange agreement implies Joran may qualify to serve his Peruvian sentence in the Netherlands.

4.  The Peruvian Supreme Court ruled against the immediate extradition of Joran to the States to face charges pertaining to the extortion beyond cruel of Beth Holloway.

Janet

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I just have a feeling something even bigger is going to happen.  I have a feeling that Joran is going to throw people under the bus and start naming names.  Joran is mad and he will turn his anger towards Aruba for not helping him.  Everyone get ready to run.

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« Reply #356 on: June 05, 2012, 09:58:15 PM »

Do we have an ignore button? Repeating the same old thing over, and over, and over does not change the fact that NO ONE in Aruba or the Netherlands has an iota of influence in what happens in Peru.

 
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« Reply #358 on: June 05, 2012, 10:20:05 PM »

Do we have an ignore button? Repeating the same old thing over, and over, and over does not change the fact that NO ONE in Aruba or the Netherlands has an iota of influence in what happens in Peru.

 

LOL!!  Where's the "beating the dead horse" icon?

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« Reply #359 on: June 06, 2012, 10:06:45 AM »

Been reading everyone's comments about whether Joran will be coming to Birmingham, and when.  I am one of those common people of Birmingham and I have to have faith in the FBI here.  I know some of them socially, not privy to their work, but folks, believe in them.  The FBI does not fool around and Natalee is "their daughter" too.  Trust me they will handle this.
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