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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #865 5/02/12 - 7/23/12  (Read 354478 times)
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« Reply #400 on: June 10, 2012, 10:17:57 PM »


Joran van der Sloot

'I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years.'

October 2010

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

 
Beth Holloway

'If he thinks I've been pestering him for the past five years, he hasn't seen anything yet.'

November 2010

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/
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« Reply #401 on: June 10, 2012, 11:37:20 PM »


Flores, Holloway families await van der Sloot's trial
1/13/2012


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Stephany Flores’ family is still holding out hope they can convince the court to increase the charges to include a possible life sentence. Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, claims Van der Sloot has lived “like a king” while the Flores family mourns.

Prosecutor Miriam Castellares is asking for 30 years in prison, on charges of murder and simple theft; however, Flores’ family is asking the public prosecutor to amend the charges to “robbery followed by murder.”

According to Edwar Alvarez, the Flores family’s lawyer, with different charges Van der Sloot could receive life imprisonment.

"We aim to present evidence during the trial that will lead the prosecutor to change the classification of the crime, so that it becomes robbery followed by murder. This will not be 30 years in prison, but life imprisonment,” he told the Lima newspaper El Comercio.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Flores-Holloway-families-await-van-der-Sloots/KxiEyoDHDEypHoVG4yN6Sw.cspx


Was Joran van der Sloot's guilty plea all about preventing the attorney of Stephany Flores' family from putting forth a case during a trial to raise the bar in regards to the prosecutor's charges ... the prosecutor's charges that implied a 28 year sentence rather than a life sentence ... a 28 year sentence that translated into less than 10 years.

Was appealing the sentence part of the plan prior to the the judge's ruling ... appealing the sentence with the anticipation of lowering the bar even further?

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Joran Van Der Sloot Pleads Guilty to Murder
Aired January 11, 2012 - 19:00   ET


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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think he should get life, as does the family of Stephany Flores. But why does this all seem contrived and orchestrated to me? Why does this all feel like some kind of play where everybody knew what their role was today?

JON LEIBERMAN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Because it was, Jane. I mean, I`ve been doing this a long time and I`ve never seen somebody confess to a murder and manage to re-victimize another family while they`re confessing to the murder of another woman. It was sickening.

I mean, to use the words that he was persecuted and -- you know, by the Natalee Holloway attention that he got and that he was triggered to kill somebody because of the intense media scrutiny from Natalee Holloway in that case? That was absolutely sickening.

<snipped.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Last Friday Joran got in trouble for his courtroom antics and the judge had to tell him cut it out. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Will the defendant please stand up? Stand up. You are in a court of law. You have to behave appropriately. You have to sit appropriately.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Look at this guy. He is smiling, grinning from ear to ear today. And this is him last Friday yawning. He fell asleep at one point. There he is. Take a look at that. Yes, he`s having a nap in court. His future at stake. And he`s napping.

You`re charged with murder, Joran, and you can`t stay awake? And then the giggling, the laughing.

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ijvm.01.html

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« Reply #402 on: June 10, 2012, 11:39:15 PM »

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Alwin Rasmijn>drifting @ bushiri karting 10 june 2012>Photo 64 of 64



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #403 on: June 11, 2012, 02:41:18 AM »

I wonder what kind of product one takes to only lose weight in their head. Fascinating!

Old Cornflakes even got his dimples back.



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« Reply #404 on: June 11, 2012, 03:16:37 AM »

Has he been pumping estrogen shots or something? He is going a bit Priscilla Queen of the Desert or something. Wow - that's a trip!

I know Aruba is a weird place... but man, somebody make it stop.
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« Reply #405 on: June 11, 2012, 04:05:42 AM »


Flores, Holloway families await van der Sloot's trial
1/13/2012


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Stephany Flores’ family is still holding out hope they can convince the court to increase the charges to include a possible life sentence. Stephany’s father, Ricardo Flores, claims Van der Sloot has lived “like a king” while the Flores family mourns.

Prosecutor Miriam Castellares is asking for 30 years in prison, on charges of murder and simple theft; however, Flores’ family is asking the public prosecutor to amend the charges to “robbery followed by murder.”

According to Edwar Alvarez, the Flores family’s lawyer, with different charges Van der Sloot could receive life imprisonment.

"We aim to present evidence during the trial that will lead the prosecutor to change the classification of the crime, so that it becomes robbery followed by murder. This will not be 30 years in prison, but life imprisonment,” he told the Lima newspaper El Comercio.

<snipped>

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Flores-Holloway-families-await-van-der-Sloots/KxiEyoDHDEypHoVG4yN6Sw.cspx



Was appealing the sentence part of the plan prior to the the judge's ruling ... appealing the sentence with the anticipation of lowering the bar even further?


Yes, it was discussed prior to trial by many, including the defense, that Joran pleading guilty would prevent a trial and thus prevent the possibility that the prosecution could introduce evidence that would lead to greater charges.  Joran knew in advance that he could appeal the sentence but not his conviction if he plead guilty.  It was stated again during the trial by Joran and/or the defense attorney.
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« Reply #406 on: June 11, 2012, 04:08:21 AM »

Has he been pumping estrogen shots or something? He is going a bit Priscilla Queen of the Desert or something. Wow - that's a trip!

I know Aruba is a weird place... but man, somebody make it stop.

That was what I said - he looks feminized, except I said he looked like a gay woman.  I swear I saw some boobage!
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« Reply #407 on: June 11, 2012, 10:51:57 AM »

An oxymoron!

When the Peruvian Supreme Court's ruling is considered ... how would  a successful appeal of Joran's sentence result in an immediate extradiction?

Could it be the final decision of Peruvian Justice Minister and Cabinet is known but has not been revealed?.  In other words ... the Monkey Justice Train may be rolling into Birmingham sooner than later.

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Van der Sloot's Extradition to US Must Wait
Mon Jun 4, 2012 9:46pm EDT


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Joran van der Sloot's extradition to the United States will not happen until after he serves his sentence for murder in Peru, the country's highest court has ruled. That could be as long as 28 years.

But the decision by Peru's Supreme Court is not final, as Peru's justice minister and Cabinet must also approve it, van der Sloot's lawyer told the Associated Press.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/05/tagblogsfindlawcom2012-blotter-idUS236043756920120605


Peru court: Van der Sloot's extradition after sentence
Must serve out his 28-year prison sentence
Updated: Monday, 04 Jun 2012, 1:15 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 04 Jun 2012, 11:28 AM CDT


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Van der Sloot is appealing his sentence and the Supreme Court said that if the appeal is successful he could be extradited immediately thereafter.

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http://www.kxan.com/dpps/news/international/peru-court-says-van-der-sloots-extradition-after-sentence-wd12-jgr_4195028


Joran Van Der Sloot Pleads Guilty to Murder
Aired January 11, 2012 - 19:00   ET


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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think he should get life, as does the family of Stephany Flores. But why does this all seem contrived and orchestrated to me? Why does this all feel like some kind of play where everybody knew what their role was today?

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/11/ijvm.01.html
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« Reply #408 on: June 11, 2012, 11:12:04 AM »

Is it standard procedure for the Peruvian Dutch embassy to immediately provide their  citizens who are detained in Peru with a private attorney?

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Those rusty Dutch buggers just can`t keep their hands off that boy, can they?

It`s built in to their DNA.

As was learned, the Dutchman would have the advice of a private lawyer had been hired by diplomats from the embassy.

http://www.ojo.com.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_id=25&txtNota_id=368861


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8078.msg1153576#msg1153576


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« Reply #409 on: June 11, 2012, 01:30:42 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=759158169

Sebastian van der Sloot



(enlarged)


https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1362656400

Hanni Peters-den Boer

(resized)

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4055843078762&set=a.4055842998760.172494.1362656400&type=1&permPage=1



https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4055850798955&set=a.4055842998760.172494.1362656400&type=1





http://www.emerson.edu/commencement/event-schedule

 ::snipping2::

Monday, May 14, 2012

One Hundred and Thirty-Second Undergraduate Commencement, 11:00 am–1:00 pm
(Free, Ticket Required) Citi Performing Arts Center (The Wang Theatre)
270 Tremont Street, Boston General seating. Doors open at 10:30 am.

Undergraduate Commencement Reception 1:15–2:45 pm, weather permitting
(Free, Ticket Required) Tents on Boston Common
Celebrate the graduates at a reception in their honor. Tickets available at the Commencement Office.

 ::snipping2::

Wonder if this might be the blonde girl?

Val's cousin, Marianne Vandersloot?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7185.msg1078406#msg1078406







I was wrong, it wasn't Marianne Van der Sloot.

Apparently Valentijn has a new girlfriend.

Hillary Hawkins

https://www.facebook.com/hillarymhawkins

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3247848590954&set=a.1410612221193.2052205.1109100119&type=3



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #410 on: June 11, 2012, 01:33:50 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/hillarymhawkins

Hillary Hawkins
Studying Marketing Communication at Emerson College
Lives in Boston, Massachusetts
In a relationship with Valentijn van der Sloot
From Sarasota, Florida

In a Relationship with Valentijn van der Sloot
March 4, 2012

Hillary Hawkins became friends with Valentijn van der Sloot.
August 30, 2011





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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #411 on: June 11, 2012, 01:36:09 PM »

She must be about two years younger than he is.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #412 on: June 11, 2012, 01:41:44 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/hillarymhawkins

 

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #413 on: June 11, 2012, 01:54:46 PM »

Is it standard procedure for the Peruvian Dutch embassy to immediately provide their  citizens who are detained in Peru with a private attorney?

Janet

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« Reply #916 on: June 10, 2010, 12:57:31 AM »


Those rusty Dutch buggers just can`t keep their hands off that boy, can they?

It`s built in to their DNA[/color].

As was learned, the Dutchman would have the advice of a private lawyer had been hired by diplomats from the embassy.

http://www.ojo.com.pe/ojo/nota.php?txtSecci_id=25&txtNota_id=368861


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8078.msg1153576#msg1153576




FROM THE GETGO

Joran van der Sloot - Peru makes evidence public
Published on : 7 June 2010 - 5:33pm


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The foreign ministry is still considering whether it will give an official reaction to how the case is being handled. A spokesperson for the ministry told Radio Netherlands Worldwide: "I have asked at the ministry how we should deal with this."
 
Generally, the Netherlands never interferes with legal processes in other countries, but there may well be reason to protest in this case.

<snipped>

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/joran-van-der-sloot-peru-makes-evidence-public


Van der Sloot remains jailed as murder investigation continues
June 6, 2010 9:39 p.m. EDT


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Carlos Neyra, an official with the Peruvian National Police criminal investigation division, said van der Sloot, the sole suspect named in the case, has not been formally charged

Neyra added that van der Sloot now has a lawyer. The Netherlands Embassy says it is working with local authorities in the case, but it is not paying for a defense attorney.

The Embassy has told Peruvian authorities that it is not comfortable with the way van der Sloot has been presented to the media, Neyra said. The Peruvian interior minister is asking authorities not to talk about the case without his authorization.

Van der Sloot arrived Saturday at the Lima police headquarters. Handcuffed and wearing a protective vest, he was escorted through a news conference held by Peruvian authorities as photographers snapped photo after photo.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/06/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=Sbin
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« Reply #414 on: June 11, 2012, 01:57:34 PM »

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #415 on: June 11, 2012, 02:03:07 PM »


Yuck on Anita's comment, " and in a relationship with me". 

I always thought the girl in the graduation photo was not the cousin.  Though similar in coloring and facial features, the cousin's face is too "old" looking. 

I'm hoping the girl knows of the depravity in the vdS family and that Val has but a trace if any of it.  Val seems to have risen above the stigma of his famous family.  Maybe he is their "black sheep" if you know what I mean (like Marilyn was to the Herman Munster family ...LOL)
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« Reply #416 on: June 11, 2012, 05:34:01 PM »


Yuck on Anita's comment, " and in a relationship with me". 

I always thought the girl in the graduation photo was not the cousin.  Though similar in coloring and facial features, the cousin's face is too "old" looking. 

I'm hoping the girl knows of the depravity in the vdS family and that Val has but a trace if any of it.  Val seems to have risen above the stigma of his famous family.  Maybe he is their "black sheep" if you know what I mean (like Marilyn was to the Herman Munster family ...LOL)

But he carries those Sloot genes.   If I were her parent, I would be worried.   I wouldn't
want my grandchildren to carry the Sloot gene. 
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« Reply #417 on: June 11, 2012, 07:07:48 PM »


I'm hoping the girl knows of the depravity in the vdS family and that Val has but a trace if any of it.  Val seems to have risen above the stigma of his famous family.  Maybe he is their "black sheep" if you know what I mean (like Marilyn was to the Herman Munster family ...LOL)

But he carries those Sloot genes.   If I were her parent, I would be worried.   I wouldn't
want my grandchildren to carry the Sloot gene. 

ooops, forgot about the bad seed.

Some women are weird that way.....look at the ones who flock to the prisons to the men on death row!
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« Reply #418 on: June 11, 2012, 07:12:50 PM »

I wouldn't want the Sloot gene in my family either.  Sometimes we forget about that!
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Oh, the ARTISTE. She always looks like a dressed up Easter egg to me. She has a knack for tack, imo.

I am not Joe Fashion or anything... but dayum.

> Dress by PAAS -- Even Ronchi winced.
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