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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #865 5/02/12 - 7/23/12  (Read 354481 times)
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« Reply #600 on: June 15, 2012, 11:07:54 PM »

Posted by Resigned at RU.  What I like about Resigned is that he was able to change his mind about Joran and what he was capable of. 

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Joran van der Sloot's days of making deals is history. Birmingham will await him to make certain he never justs walk out of that Peruvian prison gate a free man in any lesser amount of time than his sentence for murdering Stephany Flores.

Yes I agree, I also like that he has stuck it out at RU and dishes it right back to those that were too drunk thickheaded stubborn, too close to the Sloots (or both) to do the same.

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #601 on: June 16, 2012, 12:31:47 AM »

Sorry for the O/T  Monkey Devil!

Not really O/T.  They were born here in this thread.

Magnolia thank you for sharing Wreck's picture.  He is a handsome boy!

I remember the night those pups arrived and all the advice you received.  By the way I hope Hunter is also in good health.

 

Tibro, did you mean Hudson?  He's the wonder dog, love him!   

Oh dayum  .... I got Hudson's name wrong.  I knew it started with "H"   

I do hope Magnolia will forgive me and also give Hudson an extra pat from me.


Shoot, Tibro....Hudson doesn't care what you call him as long as you call him for dinner.
 
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« Reply #602 on: June 16, 2012, 12:34:54 AM »

Posted by Resigned at RU.  What I like about Resigned is that he was able to change his mind about Joran and what he was capable of. 

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Joran van der Sloot's days of making deals is history. Birmingham will await him to make certain he never justs walk out of that Peruvian prison gate a free man in any lesser amount of time than his sentence for murdering Stephany Flores.

Yes I agree, I also like that he has stuck it out at RU and dishes it right back to those that were too drunk thickheaded stubborn, too close to the Sloots (or both) to do the same.

 

I am foolish about Resigned and he/she is so smart. IMO Outwits them all.
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« Reply #603 on: June 16, 2012, 12:41:25 AM »

Refresh my memory -- who started RU?
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« Reply #604 on: June 16, 2012, 12:59:25 AM »

Refresh my memory -- who started RU?

Refugees Unleashed was originally CeeTV Refugees as it was started in late 2005 by JOY and some others after being banned by Court TV message boards.  Then it started to be a refugee place for anyone banned from anywhere including from SM and Websleuths.   
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« Reply #605 on: June 16, 2012, 01:22:09 AM »

Refresh my memory -- who started RU?

Refugees Unleashed was originally CeeTV Refugees as it was started in late 2005 by JOY and some others after being banned by Court TV message boards.  Then it started to be a refugee place for anyone banned from anywhere including from SM and Websleuths.   
Thanks! That rings a bell!
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« Reply #606 on: June 16, 2012, 01:59:17 AM »

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3777819316638&set=a.1580927515716.85522.1011539209&type=1&permPage=1



Oriella Juliette Mansur
Two of the greatest men on Earth! Smile — with Jossy Mansur and Jossy E Mansur.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #607 on: June 16, 2012, 02:00:26 AM »

Jossy doesn't look well...   Sad
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #608 on: June 16, 2012, 04:03:26 AM »




Justice for Natalee!  

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #609 on: June 16, 2012, 04:33:41 AM »

Jossy doesn't look well...   Sad

I thought the same thing...... 

I sure hope his health improves!  Jossy was such a boon to NAH's family. What a dear, dear man.

His granddaughter is beautiful.
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« Reply #610 on: June 16, 2012, 09:24:54 AM »

Beautiful picture of the three of them.  Appreciation and blessings to Jossy -- he really was a great comfort to all of us here at Scared Monkeys longing for truth, solutions, and answers.   
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« Reply #611 on: June 16, 2012, 10:07:11 AM »

Boy Jossy doesn't look good, he's lost so much weight.  Odd he's wearing a hat as well.  Sad.

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« Reply #612 on: June 16, 2012, 12:07:52 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8341.msg1223604#msg1223604

http://www.diario.aw/2010/09/un-anochi-di-elegancia-pa-oriana-su-15-ana/

From Oriana Mansur's Quincenera at the end of August 2010

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #613 on: June 16, 2012, 12:18:39 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6341.0
Edit to add additional link per TexasMom.  MB  http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/

DANA PRETZER SHOW FEB 13, 2008 WITH BETH HOLLOWAY, PETER R. DEVRIES, AND MORE!

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Dana:  I’m going to throw out some names to you and I know you’ve done this line of questioning before from other show hosts but I’m curious to see what you have to say.  When I mention the name Jossy Mansur...

Beth:  Oh absolutely heroic, what a man, what a father, what a husband he is too... I mean my goodness.  What a business man he is...integrity.  And you know I will stand by Jossy because this is an individual that stepped forward for me, for human rights, and for justice.  And gosh what he did for me was he took such a burden off of me during the month of July of 05 when I felt as if I was kind of out there on the forefront by myself going against these perpetrators until Jossy Mansur stepped forward I felt like I had no other ally.  So you know he did the most amazing thing, and he went out on a limb and he you know for no reason other than doing the right thing and as I said being about professionalism, integrity, and respect for others human rights so absolutely what an amazing man.  

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Dana: Absolutely, I figured you would just use the word corrupt.  You know when you look at the media coverage of the story and you see that 99.999 percent of those that watch listen and read about this story care and want to see the answers, want to see your family get the justice that you all deserve.  Your take on how the media have handled all of this Beth.

Beth:  Well I think it’s been remarkable.  And I have gosh as I said you know my only allies in Aruba were the media and Jossy Mansur.  So I think they rank very high.  I mean and what a remarkable resource for parents or families to be able to mobilize when they’re faced with a crisis whether it’s a missing or murdered loved one they can be very powerful and they were just a great ally to me on the island of Aruba so I’m very grateful for them.  They were always very respectful too.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #614 on: June 16, 2012, 12:24:36 PM »

Sorry, meant to add this link too!   Embarassed Added it.  MB

Additional link for Dana's show that I posted from a transcript of above:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #615 on: June 16, 2012, 12:41:15 PM »

I agree jamcakes and Ono!   

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #616 on: June 16, 2012, 12:41:45 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2010/06/03/sm-exclusive-jossy-mansur-of-diario-aruba-comments-on-joran-van-der-sloot-murder-allegations-suspect-in-death-of-stephany-flores-ramireznatalee-holloway/

Jossy Mansur of Diario Aruba Comments on Joran Van der Sloot Murder Allegations & Suspect in Death of Stephany Flores Ramirez/Natalee Holloway

If the media wanted to get factual comments from Aruba media and not state run spin, they need not have contacted Aruba Today and Julia Renfro … what they should have done is contacted Jossy Mansur of Diario Aruba for the answers as Scared Monkeys did.

The following is Jossy Mansur in his own words regarding the bizarre similarities of the two murders that Joran Van der Sloot has been accused of, Natalee Holloway in Aruba and Stephany  Flores Ramirez in Peru.

“The story came as a shock, not because it was unexpected, but because another girl became the victim of this very sick young man. His actions are clearly those of a psychopath. He should be taken off the streets so he cannot cause any more pain to other families, including his own. The thought that comes into my mind is that if the Prosecution in Aruba had pressed charges against him and he was taken to court and sent to jail, this other girl might still be alive. There are consequences to actions (or lack of them) that speak louder than any amount of words.

The coincidences are also mind-boggling: during a poker tournament, he meets a girl in a casino, like he did Natalee; the girl appears dead in a room that he rented in an upscale hotel; he is seen with the girl at the hotel by the personnel present; the girl appears dead two or three days later, on the 29th of May going into the 30th of May, exactly on the same date and possibly hour that Natalee was killed. And on the fifth anniversary of Natalee’s death! It is practically unbelievable!” (Jossy Mansur)


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #617 on: June 16, 2012, 01:29:37 PM »

I would love to see a current pic of Joran to see how he looks after just 5 months in a Peruvian hell hole prison without all the perks.  I bet he still cries into his pillow every night.

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Don't you just know he had the jail house pallor. ::boxingjoran::


Look closely at that little photo in Jamcakes signature and he already looks that way!  Pallor and seems to have aged tremendously and badly.  At the risk of repeating myself too often, there is no way to make living in that place tolerable for someone who has lived such a life of privilege as Joran.

Now he is in the more remote one where goods and services are going to be more expensive and rare.  And I do believe that if he should be going to walk before Sr Flores is ready for him to, Flores would/could exercise all his options should that be the route he might chose to take.

I want what the families want.  When they feel justice, I feel justice.  I do not think I have the same rights as they in this regard.  When Beth says Midnight Express and Joran gets it, that's good enough for me.  Joran is very young and stupid.  I think as Christians both Beth and Dave (who has said so) would rather he seek God than get revenge on him if only he start by telling the truth.  And to someone that young (yes, I can remember even back that long ago) even a year can seem like eternity.  Time only flies for those of us on up in our years. 

But everything from here on out is a bonus as far as I am concerned because Joran is on his own Midnight Express and one I hope takes him right into federal court in Birmingham.  I agree with Ono that he finds it particularly disturbing that it is Alabama where his trial will be held.  But one of these days, Joran will realize he is not immortal and not getting any younger and that some day he will meet his Maker.  His own love of himself may at some point entice him to do the right thing.  I won't ever lose total hope of that.  Maybe then he might even decide to tell the truth at long last, who knows!

Good to see all the monkeys who have been here of late. 
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« Reply #618 on: June 16, 2012, 07:19:09 PM »

They should have taken her to the hospital to make sure she was o.k. and hadn't been given a date rape drug or something!

 

http://www.awe24.com/20120616/11031/Polis_a_topa_cu_dama_completamente_sunu_benta_abao_banda_di_stadion

Papiamentu translation:

police owing to come across cu lady completamente sunu throw abao near of stadion, probably viola!

12 hora happen come across, 16 of june 2012 06:32

saturday morning early agentenan attentive during they patrol owing to notice one lady completamente sunu throw abao near of compleho deportivo guillermo prospero trinidad, at once they owing to bay atende cu the lady cu was enberdad completamente sunu all at sand blanco y his cloths throw one near. police owing to try talk cu lady but this was completamente bao influencia of alcohol y/of drugs. police owing to try saca afo where the live but at the adresnan ey the not was cuadra. not owing to stay nothing another cu hibe at keep of police for so one visiteuse succeed saca afo that the is hour listra in his pertenencianan or hour the recobra his tino y come bij corda that the is, where the was y cu that the was. mirando the estado of his mind y curpa y the cantidad of sand blanco stick at his curpa probably the will can is one victima of violacion sexual.



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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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http://www.amigoe.com/aruba?start=20

Google translation:

Giordano wants 3.5 million deaths Gardner

FRIDAY, JUNE 15, 2012 9:01

ORANGE CITY - Gary Giordano wants $ 3.5 million of insurance company American Express because of the death of Robyn Gardner. U.S. media reports that at least. Gardner disappeared last year while on holiday with Giordano on our island. From the U.S. was no trace found, despite extensive searches and media attention. Justice assumes that they are no longer alive and Giordano suspected of involvement. Partly because he was only two days after her disappearance ...
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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