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« Reply #80 on: March 28, 2012, 05:36:46 PM »

 

Could he be an investigative reporter? 
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« Reply #81 on: March 28, 2012, 05:38:44 PM »

IMO this case took on a life of it's own WAY too soon WAY before all the facts were out about the case.  TOO MANY are jumping the gun, on one side or the other without all the facts. 

I'm not going to be horrified that a white guy killed a black 17yr old until I find out all the facts in the case and what exactly happened.  As of now the case is clear as mud and it is very possible it was Zimmerman being attacked.  That said, Trayvon shouldn't have died for it no matter.
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« Reply #82 on: March 28, 2012, 05:40:10 PM »



Could he be an investigative reporter? 

Is that what you call YOURSELF?  He is a blogger just like "RED" that happens to live in the Orlando area where many of these cases have gone down.  So he's gone to some court hearings and made every attempt to get himself in the news. 
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« Reply #83 on: March 28, 2012, 05:51:11 PM »

http://www.facebook.com/NancyGraceHLN

J.O. wife and GZ's MIL, are in business together, supposedly,  (if interested) scroll, almost, halfway down, comment secton, a poster mentions a wee bit more.

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« Reply #84 on: March 28, 2012, 06:12:46 PM »

IMO this case took on a life of it's own WAY too soon WAY before all the facts were out about the case.  TOO MANY are jumping the gun, on one side or the other without all the facts. 

I'm not going to be horrified that a white guy killed a black 17yr old until I find out all the facts in the case and what exactly happened.  As of now the case is clear as mud and it is very possible it was Zimmerman being attacked.  That said, Trayvon shouldn't have died for it no matter.

Couldn't have said it better. 
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« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2012, 06:16:36 PM »

IMO this case took on a life of it's own WAY too soon WAY before all the facts were out about the case.  TOO MANY are jumping the gun, on one side or the other without all the facts. 

I'm not going to be horrified that a white guy killed a black 17yr old until I find out all the facts in the case and what exactly happened.  As of now the case is clear as mud and it is very possible it was Zimmerman being attacked.  That said, Trayvon shouldn't have died for it no matter.

Klaas ... I agree.

I do feel that the incident would not have happened if Zimmerman ... in his capacity as neighbourhood watchman ... had only called 911 and had not followed Martin.  In other words ... wait for LE to arrive and do their thing.  I can appreciate why Martin felt threatened.  This huge guy was following him and he reponded accordingly with the most force he could muster.  Then it was Zimmerman's turn to defend himself.  In other words ... an unfortunate chain of events.

I do not think for one minute that Zimmerman set out to kill Martin when he began following him.

A race crime?  I don't think so.  The 911 operator asked Zimmerman what was the race of the person he had been following.  Zimmerman responded that he thought he was black.

Why the demonstrations?  I cannot understand why the Black community does not let the investigative process take its course.  I cannot understand why President Obama felt the need to address this isolated incident.

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Police: Zimmerman says Trayvon decked him with one blow then began hammering his head
March 26, 2012


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Several witnesses heard those cries, and there has been a dispute about whether they came from Zimmerman or Trayvon.

Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, according to authorities.

When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.

Paramedics gave him first aid but he said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-03-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-account-20120326_1_miami-schools-punch-unarmed-black-teenager





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« Reply #86 on: March 28, 2012, 06:32:04 PM »

As far as 140 lb Martin knocking over 240 lb Zimmerman.  It could happen if Zimmerman was unprepared.  Last year my 180 lb son when sprawling onto the airport floor when my 75 lb 10 year old grandaughter ran to give her uncle a hug when he and wife returned from a trip to Holland.  I am thankful it was not my 105 lb DIL that granddaughter had made a beeline for.  LOL

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« Reply #87 on: March 28, 2012, 07:52:50 PM »

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/11574960-418/supporters-of-george-zimmerman-fearful-of-speaking-out.html

Supporters of George Zimmerman fearful of speaking out
By HOLBROOK MOHR and MARINA HUTCHINSON Associated Press March 28, 2012 8:34AM

Trayvon Martin’s supporters pack churches, swarm rallies and wear hooded sweat shirts in solidarity while friends and family of George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who shot the unarmed teen to death, remain largely out of sight. The few who have defended Zimmerman have done so reluctantly, most fearing public backlash.
 
Zimmerman, 28, has gone into hiding. His version of what happened on the rainy night of Feb. 26 has only trickled out from police and his attorney. Zimmerman said he was pursuing the 17-year-old Martin because Martin was acting suspiciously. He said he lost sight of the teenager and Martin attacked him as he headed back to his sport utility vehicle.
 
Zimmerman told police he fired in self-defense and police did not arrest him, touching off widespread public outrage and protests across the country.
 
Martin’s supporters believe race played a role in the shooting. Martin was black; Zimmerman’s father is white and his mother is Hispanic.
 
“The family has had death threats, the father and mother, George has had death threats. Anything related to George is a target,” said Miguel Meza, who identified himself as Zimmerman’s cousin.
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« Reply #88 on: March 28, 2012, 08:58:09 PM »

Nancy grace is verrrrryyyy one sided on this....she has Zimmerman guilty with out hearing all the facts. She is not wanting to hear anything that anyone has to say if they are sticking up for Zimmerman...
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« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2012, 09:01:44 PM »

I wish that the photos showing injuries of Zimmerman would be released. If there are any...also, on NG's show it was mentioned that there is a voice specialist analyzing who was yelling 'help' that night. That should be interesting.
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« Reply #90 on: March 28, 2012, 10:24:26 PM »

Marinade Dave is nothing more than a blogger.  To consider him an investigator would be to say we all are investigators or that Murt is an investigator.

Exactly.  Marinade Dave has been around a while. 
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« Reply #91 on: March 28, 2012, 11:20:57 PM »

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate


The Plot thickens. 

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate
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« Reply #92 on: March 29, 2012, 12:29:44 AM »

Surveillance Video at link

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/28/2719868/network-broadcasts-surveillance.html

Posted on Wednesday, 03.28.12
Surveillance video shows George Zimmerman on the night he killed Trayvon Martin

ABC News has obtained exclusive police surveillance video of George Zimmerman taken the night he shot and killed Miami-Dade teen Trayvon Martin.

The video shows a handcuffed Zimmerman being taken out of a parked police cruiser and inside the Sanford, Fl. police headquarters on the night of Feb. 26 or early the following day.
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Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/28/2719868/network-broadcasts-surveillance.html#storylink=cpy
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« Reply #93 on: March 29, 2012, 07:47:29 AM »

ive been following on and off,i read more and i think the bad guy is the fla. law
stand your ground,the fact that george,followed Trayvon,and Trayvon saw the
gun, that put Trayvon in the position of the SYG law,even if Trayvon wasnt aware
of that law,im having a hard time with a law like that,and allows the party with the
weapon, to use it,even if the other party doesnt have a weapon,this isnt the wild
wild west for crying out loud,we as a civilized society,are letting the gangs,druggies
RSO,ect. instill fear in us to the point where we can now enact laws,that allow us
the "civilized" to murder each other,when what we should be doing is longer jail
terms,and more $$ spent on how to rehabilitate,instead of taking the confiscated
illegal gained $$,and giving it to the LE,lets put it to education and rehabilitation

or i could be totally wrong and its ok to shoot someone because..........
 
info stand your ground
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2012/03/28/10-states-copied-floridas-stand-your-ground-law/
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« Reply #94 on: March 29, 2012, 08:26:27 AM »

ive been following on and off,i read more and i think the bad guy is the fla. law
stand your ground,the fact that george,followed Trayvon,and Trayvon saw the
gun, that put Trayvon in the position of the SYG law,even if Trayvon wasnt aware
of that law,im having a hard time with a law like that,and allows the party with the
weapon, to use it,even if the other party doesnt have a weapon,this isnt the wild
wild west for crying out loud,we as a civilized society,are letting the gangs,druggies
RSO,ect. instill fear in us to the point where we can now enact laws,that allow us
the "civilized" to murder each other,when what we should be doing is longer jail
terms,and more $$ spent on how to rehabilitate,instead of taking the confiscated
illegal gained $$,and giving it to the LE,lets put it to education and rehabilitation

or i could be totally wrong and its ok to shoot someone because..........
 
info stand your ground
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2012/03/28/10-states-copied-floridas-stand-your-ground-law/

I agree. Laws need to change.  Harsher punishments need to be made.  Ghetto areas need to be cleared up.  Entitlement issues need to disappear.  Accountability and Consequences are vital.
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« Reply #95 on: March 29, 2012, 10:11:18 AM »

Jumping in here:

Thanks for bringing in many of the articles, everyone.

I want to express my sorrow to both families. To the Martin's for the premature demise of their son.  To the Zimmeran's for having the media try and convict their son without benefit of a full disclosure, investigation and court trial.

I'm like most of you, baffled by the inconsistencies and lack of truthfulness displayed by MSM, by the celebrities and political leaders who have spread misinformation and played race cards, and by what appears to be a wrongful character portrayal of both Martin and Zimmerman.

I don't understand why MSM and certain persons have stirred the pot to escalate this into a racial hate issue and inciting vigilante street justice into action.

I have many unanswered questions - perhaps I missed the answers along the way.

~What time of night on Sunday was it? 
~How long had Treyvon been gone before he was shot?
~Why did Treyvon's family not report him missing when he didn't return home from running to the convenience store to purchase candy for his brother? IOW, why did TM's body lie in the morgue, unclaimed for 3 days?
~Why did Treyvon's girlfriend allegedly wait so long to speak up about being on the phone with TM during his last moments of life?
~Why aren't the civil liberty leaders concerned about Zimmerman's liberties being corrupted by the MSM?  (he's been tried and convicted in the eyes of the world without the benefit of investigation, arrest, or trial, imo)


One other comment - the police video showing a non bloody GZ - he was treated by paramedics, who clean up blood in order to make sure there will be no more bleeding and to check for more serious injuries
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« Reply #96 on: March 29, 2012, 01:27:20 PM »

Jamcakes, good post and questions.  I think that we'll have to wait for more news to come out to answer your questions.

According to the post that JOLfan posted of the police report, it happened around 7:17 pm.

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf
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« Reply #97 on: March 29, 2012, 01:34:40 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/trayvon-martin-case-georg_n_1387711.html

Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman's Race Is A Complicated Matter
By SUZANNE GAMBOA 03/29/12 07:16 AM ET

WASHINGTON -- At first, the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager at the hands of a white neighborhood watch volunteer was playing out like many previous tragedies that cut short the lives of young black men.

Soon however, it became obvious that sorting out racial dynamics in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin would not be simple. Police described the shooter, George Zimmerman, as white. His father called him a "Spanish speaking minority" with many black relatives and friends.
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Hispanic people can be black, white, Asian or mixed. Some 18 million Latinos checked the "some other race" category on their 2010 Census forms – which admonished in bold letters that Hispanic is not a race. So many Hispanics identified themselves as white, the overall number of white people in the United States increased.
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On voter registration forms, George Zimmerman identified himself as Hispanic, as did his mother. His father, Robert, listed himself as white on voter registration forms. Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, is originally from Peru.
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Some Hispanics, mostly in the Southwest, will say they are Spanish to make clear they identify with Spanish explorers who came to the Americas in the 1500s. In Texas, Latino has only recently become an identifying term; Tejano, Chicano or Mexican American have been more common. Cubans, who make up a large share of Hispanics in Florida, are more likely to identify as white than Puerto Ricans, whose presence is growing in Florida.
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« Reply #98 on: March 29, 2012, 01:42:10 PM »

Video at link

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-father-claims-trayvon-martin-attacked-son-article-1.1052611?localLinksEnabled=false

George Zimmerman’s father claims Trayvon Martin attacked his son  
Robert Zimmerman told a local TV station that his son was punched in the face, attacked
By Nina Mandell / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Thursday, March 29, 2012, 8:38 AM

George Zimmerman’s dad insists his son is no racist and he “did what he did” to Trayvon Martin because the teen attacked him.
 
Robert Zimmerman recounted the events of Feb. 26 as they were told to him by his 28-year-old son, claiming that the 17-year-old victim was responsible for the deadly confrontation.
 
"It's my understanding that Trayvon Martin got on top of him and just started beating him," the 64-year-old told FOX 35 News.
 
Robert Zimmerman claims his son told him that the night Martin was killed, George was suspicious of the teen because he wasn't walking on the sidewalk and he didn't recognize him.
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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-father-claims-trayvon-martin-attacked-son-article-1.1052611#ixzz1qWoburPn
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« Reply #99 on: March 29, 2012, 02:45:24 PM »

Good afternoon Monkeys--Just passing by but wanted to give you this URL for a video which shows Zimmerman after the incident.  It appears to me that there is no blood on the back of his head as there would be if he had his head smashed repeatedly on the sidewalk, no blood on the front of his shirt which he would have were he punched in the nose.  In fact, no visible signs that he was assaulted at all IMO.  Make your own judgement about it, though.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/trayvon-martin-police-video_n_1386764.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D147524
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