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« on: July 03, 2007, 11:59:57 AM »

This is from a Aruban Racing blog in early June 2005 it is clear they are talking about Lorenzo Van Rijn.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/fourth_man.html

PietjeZz | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:36 PM
yeah ive heard since a week and a half ago that some "
Lorenzo" was involved! A friend told me that a friend
of his had seen Natalee with this guy in particular
hand in hand!
So to my knowledge,it is Lorenzo another(wealthy)
Dutch guy living on the island for many years!
This guy has an reputation of "insanity" a wild life
style and being spoiled!
The other guy no idea who he is!
Rmemember, these are recent arrest, by ending of the
day or tommorow i should know more!

http://www.racejunkies.com/forums/showthread.php?p=11095&highlight=lorenzo#post11095

Originally Posted by GinoX 06-09-2005, 02:23 PM
for wijk af one bit, you is
corda the incidente where cu one father y his child of
one bekende cardealership full drogged off owing to
enter party cu car cu all make madmax..... wel, some
trahadornan of c&c owing to look at the child leave
hand teni cu the chick here. kemen the two guynan cu
owing to stay deteni is smoke
screen???---------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 06-10-2005, 02:31 PM Pietjezz
 come across ginox this my not owing to get?! my know
is of lorenzo y his now deceased dad paul of vw do you
kiermen! i if is straight to the point! do you kiermen
the chick mericano owing to being see is leave for of
c&c cu lorenzo hand teni? of where esey owing to leave
awo? the storia do not cu ela leave y lever car cu one
macamba y two suriname? but awo my not know if is
paranoid i am birando or what, but cuminsamento of
week my bisinja owing to tell my they owing to detene
lorenzo cu the have till maken cu the caso! i have
stay in shock,anto more still hour they owing to tell
one dutch is envolvi owing to give my more right of
think cu is the self! paar of day after they owing to
release the name of the guy macamba of is joran, luga
but think ahn not,no is lorenzo(locual but think
initiativamente) but what have my puzzled is if do you
look at daily paper of some day behind apparently they
owing to go buska/arresta joran at his cas! but the
cas is show much at the cas of lorenzo eytras at
yara/savaneta! dus i have cu ask about what is
pasando??? paranoid i am or con? what connection
lorenzo y joran can have cu another in the caso here!
y if is so self,dikon lorenzo his name do not wordo
menciona in media?! then what owing to place my post
this is the post of ginox! gino could you aclarea
thing do you kiermen or one another person please!
:confused: :confused: come across



but enberdad my tawa hear lorenzo dus the yui of the
donjo paul(cu owing to hang his curpa anja pasa) tawa
talk of enough time of wanted owing to come cu one vw
beast animal,plaka have,e cu his father tawa part
paper of hundred guilder for crazy hour cu they invita
we go trip cu they 08-20-2003, 01:21 PM Pietjezz

in another twist but read somewhere on one forum they
owing to detene lorenzo y one another guy of inictial
s.g.c anybody knows more about this?! :yeaatht: gt-r34
06-17-2005 02:30 pm



but do you know what is eat at me is his friends! in
tonti my meme! ever they not owing to hear of samen
uit, samen thuis??! i is angry end cu after of
carnaval my friends owing to doss my! just imagine con
degra the ko what is!! full one night owing to happen
y his siguente day mane nothing not owing to happen
you owing to lever plane y viaha go mane nothing not
owing to happen?? what about of owing to go at police
if you is know is you ultimo day here y you have cu
viaha the day ey! damn,ami not will lever plane if my
viaha cu my bro's go brazil,anto one not owing to show
up at airport

do you know pietje, hearsay (redu). i am djies tell
thing one conosi dimi owing to look at happen in his
district. but thing is berdad is cu first the does not
owing to coopera cu police. for cual motibo police
owing to go the instant there at his mother his cas
enter for arest'e, do you know yet esun cas at caminda
big? then the or'ei jonge knulleke owing to come cacho
cacho at coremento come coopera. <- my not owing to
tell cu ela pour abow, but simplemente coopera. y if,
according the conosi owing to bisami is cu the ultimo
oranan in c&c the knul tbt as hand cu the chick _sali_
fei the luga. but do not duidelijk if they owing to
enter car together or let..... come across

wel they owing to aresta two guynan more! one of they
my conoce for cara,sa look at the much trip! the jama
bulo aruba ever owing to hanja tanto media attencion
so here pal! all caminda on internet y tv!
cnn,foxnews,nbs msnbc,abc,cbs lagi bother ohm! the cos
what is smell stinki end! ja is one week! the chick
what owing to lever car concientemente cu 3 guy after
of party y beat curpa in nightclub! what are you
believe they owing to go haci?? chinga! i is believe
in the proces of the acto the chick will owing to
realisa con earnest the cuenta is then the will owing
to wing behind bek! has! go try tell 3 guy super kesha
cu miho we stop! i is believe one night of happen
sweet owing to become rape! door in they burachiheid
or height they will owing to beat the chick y/of kill!
y throw at sea! of tanto voluntario y special forces
cu have they not can hanje jun caminda throw or
scondi? wel owing to be kept in one option cu sigun my
they not owing to haci still,anto is of dive in awanan
hundu y bruto! i is believe they owing to kill the
chick what y mara algo super pisa at his curpa cu is
haci cu ela sinka go fondo! dimes the is stay
onzichtbaar! i am 99% assure if they throw one buskeda
under sea they will hanja his curpa or door in piece
pida,ja cu is one week owing to happen y also cu fish
or shark owing to come of dje!06-05-2005, 08:56 PM
Pietjezz

zero are you much serca if, the macamba is child of
one fiscal/juez, only go figure it out..... (ban wait
for do not the good friend of sedney) now there i am
bata at fefreskeria near of the cort-house one of the
rumanan cu have one eye stanjo(hodido) kiermen cu the
chick owing to come cumpra three package of vlui, <i
wana get high> i is assure cu the chick what is
upstairs one trip ahinda.... one another cos is cu
door cu the trip was so good cu much chingamento then
hour the trip y the height owing to descend then the
chik owing to spanta then cuminsa tell cu they will
owing to rape then of einan cos will can owing to go
for of hand... gt-r34 06-03-2005 09:24 pm come across

6-3-2005
> MenaceIIsociety
> some additional info... private jet to aruba... bank
> account into the
> high 7
> figures... spoiled little bitch... supposebly
straight
> owing to
> student, not
> sniffing, not snorting, not smoking, not
> whoring.....<<<<<<----------yeah
> right!!! anyway, contal, the family here have
friends
> in very high
> places..
> grumps...e muher bitch ey is nancy grace....conjo of
> his mother self
> self....mas bitch cu one conjo....jui of hooker if
you
> will.... also cu
> do
> not enough one of the type they here cu tawata in
car
> cune is jui of
> one
> good amigo of van der straten.....go figure!!!
>
> Pero enberdad mi tawa tende lorenzo dus e yui di e
> donjo paul(cu a
> horka su
> curpa anja pasa) tawa papia di basta tempo di kier a
> bin cu un vw
> bestia
> bestia,plaka tin,e cu su tata tawa parti papel di
cien
> florin pa loko
> ora cu
> nan invita nos bai trip cu nan
>

6-11-2005 Morning

mensen,this just in! apparently one of the 3 will
owing to confesa of
 owing
to "mata" or "algo bad owing to pasa" cu natalee
holloway! nothing do
 not
100% confirma! apparently they will lead police at the
scene or the
 crime
awe(madruga at aruba) according one bro police dimi is
cu posiblemente
 the
guy owing to confess cu the chick owing to overdose y
they owing to
 panic y
they owing to bury curpa! but arubian authorities not
owing to release
 the
news officially still! check www.foxnews.com
www.msnbc.com
 www.cbsnews.com
www.cnn.com y restonan cu you can imagine :sleepin:
jetpilot 06-11-2005
 
05:41 am my also owing to hear today morning at cnn cu
was have one
confeshon cu they owing to kill the child muher. now
the aftermath is
 come!
riven 06-11-2005 08:20 am ohhh f*** mean.. awel if...
is con conjo are
 you
go think of go bury the child awo come across?!?!?!
tonti my self..
 take
away conjo hospital not... do you self is bother do
you self so of go
 bury
cos make as nothing not owing to happen... jetpilot
06-11-2005 08:25 am
 am
and smelling another extraditing case? arubaspeed
06-11-2005 11:52 am
 if one
of they owing to mate, extradite the they dune the
death sentence y get
 the
shit over with. one thing if, the guynan here is go
down in history ace
 the
dumbest mf around. throw tree, child overdose die y
bury curpa,
 machonan,
much pendew you is. racejunkie 06-11-2005 12:22 pm
quote: originally
 posted
by arubaspeed if one of they owing to mate, extradite
the they dune the
 
death sentence y get the shit over with. one thing if,
the guynan here
 is go
down in history ace the dumbest mf around. throw tree,
child overdose
 die y
bury curpa, machonan, much pendew you is. tottaly
agree arubaspeed....
dumbest mf ever......he's 17 can't expect much
else.... :lame:
 lightning
john 06-11-2005 01:48 pm i owing to hear cu they owing
to strike the
 child
muhe his head on one stone, but do you self know have
complete of
 rumores is
bayendo rond johnathan juice 06-11-2005 02:27 pm
segunmi not have niun
motibo for extradite...e cos owing to happen here at
aruba...merka can
 wel
of bark this and that but they not have niun
jurisdiction here they...

http://www.racejunkies.com/forums/printthread.php?s=30a0237eadde1b60b92946ef2443e715&t=1665&pp=40&page=2
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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2007, 08:09:51 PM »

Translation of second paragraph by Beleachedblack

06-10-2005, 02:31 PM Pietjezz
come across ginox this my not owing to get?! my know
is of lorenzo y his now deceased dad paul of vw do you
kiermen! i if is straight to the point! do you kiermen
the chick mericano owing to being see is leave for of
c&c cu lorenzo hand teni? of where esey owing to leave
awo? the storia do not cu ela leave y lever car cu one
macamba y two suriname? but awo my not know if is
paranoid i am birando or what, but cuminsamento of
week my bisinja owing to tell my they owing to detene
lorenzo cu the have till maken cu the caso! i have
stay in shock,anto more still hour they owing to tell
one dutch is envolvi owing to give my more right of
think cu is the self! paar of day after they owing to
release the name of the guy macamba of is joran, luga
but think ahn not,no is lorenzo(locual but think
initiativamente) but what have my puzzled is if do you
look at daily paper of some day behind apparently they
owing to go buska/arresta joran at his cas! but the
cas is show much at the cas of lorenzo eytras at
yara/savaneta! dus i have cu ask about what is
pasando??? paranoid i am or con? what connection
lorenzo y joran can have cu another in the caso here!
y if is so self,dikon lorenzo his name do not wordo
menciona in media?! then what owing to place my post
this is the post of ginox! gino could you aclarea
thing do you kiermen or one another person please!
:confused: :confused: come across
+++++++++++++++++++++
  TRANSLATION;

GinoX, i dont get this?! i know that its the Lorenzo whose father was Paul from VW that your talking about! i am a straight to the point person!

do you mean to tell me that the american girl was seen walking out of C&C holding hands with Lorenzo? where did you get that from? didnt she come out and enter in a car with two surinamese and a dutch guy?

Now i dont know if im going paranoid or what, but at the beginning of the week my neighbor told me that the police arrested Lorenzo because he had something to do with the case!

I was in shock, and when i heard that there's a dutch person involved, that gave me more reason to think that it was lorenzo!

A few days after they revealed the name of the dutch guy which was Joran, so i thought...oh, so its not Lorenzo after all (that was my first thoughts also)

But the thing thats got me puzzled/confused is that a few days ago i read in the Diario that they have arrested Joran at his house! but the house looks very similar to Lorenzo's house back there in Jaraweg, Savaneta!

So i had to ask myself: what is happening??? did i become paranoid or what? what connection could Joran and Lorenzo have in this case? and even if thats the case, why wasnt Lorenzo's name mentioned in the media?

what made me post this is the post that GinoX made!

Gino could you clarify what you are trying to say, or if not, could someone else clarify it please?
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« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2007, 08:11:59 PM »

Posts from june 2005 from Aruban's mentioning Lorenzo

From the arub resident, clarifying the TWO other people of interest in the case: LORENZO was the man questioned last night who is characterized as crazy and whose father commited suicide..this SGC person taken in today
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OK im so sorry for mixign this up...its just i have liek 30 people on my back at the same time and im at work answerign the phone! LOl
ok the Boy taht hsi father commited suicide (Lorenzo is his name) he was arrrested YESTERDAY...the one of TODAY (SGC) i have not been confirmed a name yet...but i dont know who his parents are
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Posted by: Marin | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 10:59 AM


http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2007/01/09/more-happiness-from-aruba-teens-stabbed-one-happy-island/
Sorry guys - but this is kinda long. Skip if you’re not curious about Lorenzo:

The following are cut-and-pasted Lorenzo-related posts from the past (and the last two are purportedly from a psychic rvmaui

According to AmericaninAruba, Lorenzo has a house on the main road of Savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro.

Per AmericaninAruba:

The Lorenzo guy who was questioned yesterday is known for having underground parties at one of his houses. The house is rather isolated and surrounded by lots of brush & cactus.

A poster from Aruba on Scared Monkeys is claiming that in addition to SGC, there was another guy detained yesterday. This other guy, Lorenzo, is known to be wild and crazy, especially since his father killed himself a few years ago, according to the poster.

The other person, a “Lorenzo� who was allegedly questioned yesterday, is a crazy dude whose father owned the local VW dealership but the father offed himself a few years ago.

the lorenzo character - hsi father owned the Vwagen distributor here….but after his father committed suicide they family sold th ebusiness…

teh SBC (this mornigns arrest) - i have no idea!!!

The lorenzo guy reportedly has connections to drugs and parties. The

Someone named Lorenzo was detained and questioned yesterday, but we don’t think he has been arrested yet. He is known to be a nutcase, maybe capable of something. His dad owned the Volkswagon dealership there but committed suicide 3 years ago and was found hanging in the hallway of their home. Finally, someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an “underground party�. Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don’t have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don’t close those down as easily.

This “Lorenzo� kid’s name was mentioned from the very beginning..In fact it is the first name I heard when this whole thing started…. My guess is that he must have been involved with her sometime during her trip, and that they are now bringing in EVERYBODY that had come in contact with her…. (from what I hear, “lorenzo� is ONE troublemaker…… )I don’t know him, but I know he has had problems with the law before…..something about a fight at one of his parties….can’t remember the details…

does anyone one remember the first couple of night we were all talk ing someone said basically, “when this all shakes out there are going to be major ramifications, there are ppl involved that are high up�.. and it aint gonna be pretty….sounds like this guy knew something about the actual crime…this was post in the other area before we had this forum.. does anyone remeber and also, do you know who this might have been…

I don’t know if his name is Lorenzo or not…
But from the very beginning “the son of an ex Vwagen dealer� was somehow involved….. He was the first one mentioned….

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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:54 am Post subject: missing girl

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Blue Volkswagon. maybe van or sedan?
High Road.Dead End. National Park
black plastic bag. moist in a dry area.
2 bulders.
leg twisted back.

Thats all i got.
I’m a little sick now.
I hope they find her.

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Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: missing girl

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A bird could lead the way to the location of her body. or a bird watcher.

what I mean by moist in a dry area, or what I see is an area that is normally dry and water some times splashes or drips on the location.

DNA to be found in a blue volkswagon? not sure I see a blue hatchback of a vehicle with the emblem of volkswagon I think. not blood.


Comment by new girl | June 28, 2005, 10:27 pm
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/28/friend-of-monkey-talks-to-mickey-john/
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"9:17 am: From one of our great sources in Aruba, 'americaninaruba' …

today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ……with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning…surprised the family with this arrest….we got different information, but we want to get all concrete things together before we bring this news to you…..we dont want to confuse anyone! we want to say that their is suspicion that she is ALIVE! but we dont want to bring up any suspicion to anyone but we will be back with info if this person has information for this case…also in Savaneta they took someone for interogation…..we are hoping this will come to an end, with all this suspicion we believe shes alive…..'

Update: (Possible 5th supect) 10:45 AM via Scared Monkeys.
There is a rumor of another person taken into custody, whose father recently committed suicide and who has had serious mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was known for having underground parties.
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/06/breaking_fourth.php
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The lawyer said that his client (the guard) said that he had spoken to Joran in the cell at the Noord police station….he said that he heard JOran crying and asked him what is going on?! And JOran said that he is scared that his freinds are blamign things on him becuase what happened is that…they went with Natalee and drove around then they dropped him off, he got natalee’s email addres, and the 2 guys (Kalpoe brothers) and Natalee drove of at home, and he hasnt seen them anymore….so the lawyer said that now more than ever their is no reason to detain his client


Comment by AmericaninAruba | June 13, 2005, 1:10 pm
Van der lsoot says to the security guard that was jailed “that they left him at his house with natalee still in the car he exchanged emails with her and they took off (leaving JOran at home). The story is somethign that the 3 boys made up at home by the pool” adn now other kids also said that on monday Joran walked out into the woods by the school and stayed a while…maybe that was the 2 boys teling him about the “story”to tell?? and also here on aruba it is known that the cousins of the 2 Kalpoe boys are “dangerous” people who knows if they have soemthign to do with this?? They own a car rental here and they say they moved to aruba because they were bad in suriname and apparently they are moving form aruba to the US now

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« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2007, 08:12:46 PM »

Da Wench that is true he is changing story, we aruban are furios at him and I am sure that he will go down we all are praying for that they are changes right now they have arrest one extra person a feww minutes ago if Iam not wrong it is another dutch boy. This just happend in SAVANETA If you are from ARUBA Y ALL KNOW

Thursday, June 16, 2005 at 4:36 pm
http://www.bastardly.com/archives/2005/06/03/natalee-hollowayone-happy-island/

As mentioned before, a local newspaper published that a person from Savaneta was taken away by the police... We need confirmation from authorities whether this person is related to the NH case.
Posted by: Checkme | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 08:36 AM

Maybe Joran is innocent.We'll find out soon hopefully.Funny thing is,this new person arrested is being called"Jorans friend"..Hmmmm..Connect the dots here or what? Seems Joran had something to do with it somehow.Maybe the Atrubans will suprise us and eventually come out and say"case solved"...I for one am hoping this to be the case...

Posted by: Kelly | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 11:28 AM
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/inter
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2007, 08:13:34 PM »

new girl: when I asked what kind of car lorenzo drove it was because of this post I’d found. Per checkme, he drives cool cars and crashes them, correct? Here’s the link, scroll down to GinoX’s post about a guy in Seroe Alejandro that has a Celica . It looks like we may have a way to get more info, at least see if it’s him. At the end, search the Gino X’s posts — he has a contact email. What do you think — could be something. Could be nothing….

http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=87897
http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1198
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« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007, 08:19:22 PM »

Posted by Clevfan at the Major Wager forum:

07-03-2005, 03:30 AM
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these are suspect sites:

www.mrpinkproductions.com

www.guide2paradise.com


both are run by a guy orginally from michigan by the name of paul brough. he is good friends with lorenzo van rijn

old sites are: www.getlegalhookers.com and www.metronightlife.com


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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2007, 07:55:15 AM »

******* -- I'll post what I have. Not sure if it will be any help.

From SM -- FP posts
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Kris
CRS is right. Checkme told us two days before it happened about the Steve Croes arrest anf the Lorenzo Van Sijn questioning. Also told us from the beginning that Deepak, the cool, calm, calculating Kalpoe has more responsibility than it seemed.

Comment by Lucy | June 21, 2005, 12:46 pm


Checkme
In case you are still there. I read in SMonkey’s Discussion Forum that Lorenzo Van Rijn is also a son of Paul VDS. Can you confirm, deny????

Comment by Lucy | June 21, 2005, 1:06 pm


who is Lorenzo

Comment by ladyJA | June 21, 2005, 1:07 pm


Lorenzo who, ladyja?

Comment by fashionqueen | June 21, 2005, 1:16 pm


Lorenzo is a friend of Steve Croes, the Kalpoes and Joran, that was broght in for questioning along with Max Arends, after Steve Croes was detained. For more info, check Brqaking News #10 and #11, at the discussion forum. There is also information on these guys at Misfitting.com

Comment by Lucy | June 21, 2005, 1:18 pm


Ladyja,
There was another person questioned and then released. I believe that this is lorenzo, rujor has it that it is Joran’s 1/2 brother. Paul VDS had an affair prior to his marriage with Joran’s mother and Lorenzo was the outcome of that affair.
I think that is what I read somewhere

Comment by Kris | June 21, 2005, 1:19 pm


Why does the MSM talk so little about Lorenzo and Max?

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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2007, 07:57:54 AM »

More SM FP posts discussing "L"

I can find the links to these if necessary
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well, i dont really know. i am trying to let my brain rest as much as possible. i had been going crazy about this case…annoyed with the fakeness from the media and the family. someone has said that the 5th suspect is someone named lorenzo…and that he has natalee on the island. someone else mentioned that they had her in a graffiti painted van, with a large speaker in the back…and that this lorenzo person is either related to or close to joran. joran supposedly was just helping lorenzo, but no one knows if he did anything with or to natalee. is it said that the family knows this, and the reason that nat’s friends had a cookout to “raise money” for natalee’s fund was really to raise money for her ransom. supposedly no one can say anything because then the kidnappers will do something bad to nat. of course, this is all speculation, and based on what SOME of the people in aruba are saying. i am not pointing fingers at anyone, the information comes from a bunch of people. supposedly there was some sort of car chase or something, and natalee was said to be in thr car….i dont know if that came from aruba or not….and this all explains why natalee’s family is confident for the most part that she is in aruba, and that she is alive. they are getting tips on whats going on.
dont count me on this for sure, i dont really know what is truth and what is rumor.

Comment by Kristin | June 23, 2005, 10:33 pm


Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.

Comment by Simian | June 24, 2005, 10:45 am

Simian

I thought you were talking about Lorenzo or Maxito.

Comment by Lucy | June 24, 2005, 10:45 am


pktbk

The van belongs to Lorenzo Van Rijn. He was brought in for questioning a few days ago. He is supposed to be a hot salsa special.

Comment by Lucy | June 24, 2005, 11:23 am


kris….lucy told me it was lorenzo something something that was questioned earlier.

Comment by pktbk | June 24, 2005, 11:35 am


i didn’t know exactly who owned the blue van that checkme would often refer to. but now we know it is lorenzo something or other. checkme would talk about the blue van with big speakers. you can hide stuff behind those speakers. like drug smuggling and the like. so maybe this guy is a serial killer that no one knew about obviously, and that’s the way he would transport his victims….possibly to the water where he dumped all the animals he killed.

Comment by pktbk | June 24, 2005, 3:26 pm


Thanks PK

Can someone clear up the rumor that Lorenzo is the 1/2 brother of Joran? Same dad different moms. Anyone?

Comment by Kris | June 24, 2005, 3:29 pm
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2007, 08:01:18 AM »

Here's one that Yap had saved and she posted again for us recently:
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This was sent to me in an email
WHERE IS NATALEE HOLLOWAY?
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WHO HID NATALEE HOLLOWAY?

I don't think that Van Der Sloot, Sr. has ever had to dispose of a body before but he is in the position to know who would and could. He or Joran knew somebody on the Island in need of exchanging favors and my contacts are naming Lorenzo Van Rijn as that person. I don't know if they are related. Once the cover story was agreed upon between Van Der Sloot, Sr., Joran, the Kalpoes, Croe, and possibly some other confidants who were asked for advice, I believe that Lorenzo was called. He was asked to stash her and Natalee was taken by Joran with the returning Kalpoe(s) in Kalpoe's car to Lorenzo to remove the rest of the party except Joran from culpability for the actual disposal of Natalee. They most likely wanted Kalpoe(s) to take her to Lorenzo alone but they declined to go without Joran and possibly be held liable for the incident. Kalpoe(s) then dropped Natalee and Joran off with Lorenzo and the Kalpoes went home. Joran advises Kalpoe that he will be in contact via the internet later as a means to avoid more cell phone contact. I believe the Kalpoe mother is aware that the boy(s) left the house again.

After Natalee was hidden, Joran most likely walked home as he currently states. All of their stories are going to have an element of truth in order to cover potentially having been seen. I don't think that Lorenzo would be stupid enough to be seen dropping Joran back at the crime scene and I'm sure that daddy was cowering on the premises in a state of shock while she was being disposed of; hence text message to Deepak from Joran that he got home okay; indicating that the hiding task was completed without incident.

#1. Guard 1, (freed) #2. Guard 2, (freed) #3. Kalpoe 1,driver, (detained) #4. Kalpoe 2, story substantiator, (detained) #5 Kalpoe Mama, complicity, she knows her boy(s) did not stay home and went back out that night, (unsuspected) #6 Van Der Sloot 1, Romeo, (detained) #7 Van Der Sloot 2, technically the killer, (freed) #8 Croes, body-hiding consultant, (freed) #9 Van Rijn, body-hider, (unsuspected)
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2007, 08:03:42 AM »

Here are some posts from the fall of 2005 -- from some of our 'favorite liars'
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There was a lot of activity on the beach after the Soul and beach festival. There are guards that saw Natalee with a guy,age about 35 in the hotel,at the side of Moomba, Curacao tower in the morning,same guy she went with alone on a boat trip the day before. Two known drug dealers have been seen in the early morning hours in the same area.I better hope the police will go after them instead of chasing three teenagers who were going to school, live with decent families and all had a future!They lied because they panicked about leaving her and the family came after them the next day with fury. They just wanted to help Natalee who did not had a good relationship with her mom! Three statements from different people that Natalee indicated her mom was Hitlers sister…….why would she say something like that?

I asked SJ about this and this was her reply:

sounds like my favorite suspect,and many others.
Has his own boat, I had mentioned him previously.
But, they did bring him in twice, searched his boat, his house, his car and no forensics.
This is a little more complicated than I can fully explain here, let's just say it has always bothered me why they didn't question him like they questioned Joran, and leave it at that for the moment, OK?
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Posted by: letsbefair | Oct 18, 2005 7:57:09 PM

I'm Thinking ..Van Loon or Van Loen ??
he a Beach bum type with a big Boat. they have pic's of it off shore that night. Maybe nothing.
So Lorenzo Van Loon owns a cigarette boat, a house in Aruba, both were tossed, no evidence?
Posted by: newswatcher | Oct 19, 2005 2:07:52 AM

No..A Big Boat!!
no house that I know of...
Posted by: Key West | Oct 19, 2005 2:13:34 AM

He had his boat close in.. by the SBF.. Free !! .. With all kinds of people on board.
a real Party goin" ON..!!
Posted by: Key West | Oct 19, 2005 2:10:55 AM

Was it a cigarette boat? Those don't usually hold too many people.
Posted by: newswatcher | Oct 19, 2005 2:13:29 AM

I believe the step father is the one who passed away. Where is the mother? Maybe this is a Scuba question.
Posted by: iwabwu | Oct 19, 2005 1:52:08 AM

his mother lives on the island and has no need for a Blood test For some internet gossips.
Paul Van Rijn was Lorenzo's Bio Dad.
The ALE did search his house on a "TIP".. they found nothing.. He had a Alibi,also.
The only real pic of Lorenzo V R on the Net is of him in his Earthquake VAN :^)
Posted by: Key West | Oct 19, 2005 2:02:07 AM

Just to put this into perspective. What would be the value of a boat such as his? Would it commonly be owned by someone described as a 'beach bum'? And, based on how some describe MB and the residents, would an MB kid be likely to find such a boat and its owner appealing for snobby reasons?
Posted by: iwabwu | Oct 19, 2005 1:57:40 AM

Word is he is a drug dealer so he could also be a "beach bum" that hangs out. Described as charming and good looking.
Posted by: sensible | Oct 19, 2005 2:03:44 AM

He had his boat close in.. by the SBF.. Free !! .. With all kinds of people on board.
a real Party goin" ON..!!
Posted by: Key West | Oct 19, 2005 2:10:55 AM

Beth-A-Pa-Lolza.!!!!
Posted by: Key West | Oct 19, 2005 2:55:09 AM

Vandir Van Loen.... Not Lorenzo!!LOL
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2007, 08:09:48 AM »

Moore 'end of June' 2005 FP posts.

That's all I had handy, Ovserver  Very Happy  I hope I haven't messed up your thread  Embarassed
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Does this now blow the theory that DJ provided the vessel for dumping the body?
Who is Lorenzo? Was he instrumental? What of the blue van?
The sword will fall on whom? Please clarify.

Comment by Concerned | June 26, 2005, 2:33 pm


Chimes, who is Lorenzo? Is it the party who transported her body?

Comment by Concerned | June 26, 2005, 3:40 pm


Lorenzo may or could be another witness. Many question(ed) in 1188 who he is.

Comment by chimes | June 26, 2005, 4:10 pm


Chimes, why the name Lorenzo?
Is it cryptic?

Comment by Concerned | June 26, 2005, 4:32 pm


I’ve heard 2 stories on Lorenzo Van Rijn. I read that he’s allegedly JVDS half-brother by an affair PVDS had w/another woman and I also heard that he may be the guy with the blue van that the blogs are talking about who went crazy when his father committed suicide a few years ago. Both may be false. I read these on Riehlworldview, but they reference Scared Monkey’s as where they info came from. I think I also saw something about it on Amy Kappel’s blog. If you google the name, it takes you to Dan Riehl’s blog.

Comment by Sandy | June 26, 2005, 4:57 pm


Lorenzo VanRijn owns the blue van, I believe, His brother is Maxito (I think). They have been mentioned in the past as witnesses/suspects if memory serves. As you can see, I’m fuzzy on these guys, but they come up occasionally.
Chimes: what is 1188 - is this a thread?

Comment by Maya99 | June 26, 2005, 5:06 pm


Shango writes: The 46th spirit does not walk the same circle as the elders, this shall be his downfall

This means that the mover of the dead girl’s body will be caught? Is he the sacrifice? Is it Lorenzo the insane guy, or is he the one with power?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:01 pm


The teenage students who are related to government officials are wrapped up with Lorenzo, his rave house and drug parties, and the young VDS, and have provided a false alibi

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:07 pm


Something is going to happen to Lorenzo. Probably something that will prevent him from speaking.

I wonder if his father REALLY committed suicide.

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:11 pm


I have been reading here for a few days, but I seemed to have missed stuff about this LORENZO, whats the story there and what about a blue van ? anyone…..

Comment by T S | June 26, 2005, 10:13 pm


Lorenzo the crazy, scary guy with the spray painted house / blue van and the illegal afterhours parties - Lorenzo who was questioned but released because of an alibi provided by Babylonians who couldn’t be disbelieved due to the positions their parents hold in government - Lorenzo whose father committed suicide and who may have a history of killing dogs, is this right?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:17 pm


If the Alibi is broken by DirtyHand the walls of Babylon will shake

Comment by Shango | June 26, 2005, 10:18 pm


I don’t understand, its all riddles to me. Makes no sense with the way responses are made on this blog. I have watched nothing but fox news and cnn for 4 weeks on this story and never heard about lorenzo. babylonians ????

Comment by T S | June 26, 2005, 10:22 pm


It is Lorenzo’s alibi that must be broken

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:22 pm


Old treaties between the Babylonians and the Arawaks were maintained until the gods heard

Babylon now fears reprisals

the fires are lit

there will be 46 sacrifices

Comment by Shango | June 26, 2005, 10:23 pm



Lorenzo’s father owned a VW dealership and also had some sort of import/export business. He reportedly committed suicide and this drove Lorenzo insane. Maybe Lorenzo’s father didn’t take his own life. Maybe HE knew too much at one time?

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:25 pm



Or maybe the 3rd act is a homicide. If Lorenzo holds the futures of others in his hands, this mystery could be tied up nicely with a Lorenzo suicide note confession taking resposibility for the disappearance of Natalee and telling the location of her body.

Comment by new girl | June 26, 2005, 10:43 pm



DirtyHand is the key

He walks with the elders

He walks in all houses

And he walked with the fallen elder

he was the hidden card that was played

now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Comment by Shango | June 26, 2005, 10:53 pm



Or maybe the 3rd act is a homicide. If Lorenzo holds the futures of others in his hands, this mystery could be tied up nicely with a Lorenzo suicide note confession taking resposibility for the disappearance of Natalee and telling the location of her body.

Equally viable, but earlier I thought the lamb referenced was pointed out to be JVdS.

Comment by Anne | June 26, 2005, 10:53 pm



I don’t think they are refering to Lorenzo. He is a Babylonian and DirtyHand is not.

Comment by Babalú | June 26, 2005, 10:57 pm



Does lorenzo = locoman?? Is Dirty Hands T? Why fear Dirty Hands??? Maybe the casinos do the laundry chore? From money that flows through for the organization?
Dirty Hands has all in his back pockets. Natalee gambled more than she was supposed to? The nights 2,3,4 were spent in the casinos. All the other kids are keeping quiet about it. Some of the secret is in the casino. VDS may be in the thick of things. VDS Sr that is. Or is it the one that Steve works for?
These secrets must be exposed. There is much more to the story. We must know it all.

Comment by Elaine | June 26, 2005, 11:55 pm



Regalee

Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2007, 04:46:33 PM »

Sharon,No you didn't mess up the thread at all..Thankyou for adding all that!! I think it's important that we get as much info as possible from  june-2005 from local arubans because I believe there is truth in what they are telling us about Lorenzo Van Rijn. As you know since then it has been mostly mis-information and leading us farther away from the truth. I think to get the truth you have to go back to the beginning and get it documented and piece it together to gather facts.
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2007, 04:10:15 PM »

Thanks *******! I didn't want to mess up anything that you had going on  Embarassed

I agree with you about the truth being out there during the early days.

I wish our SM threads from that timeframe were available, but I'm pretty sure those posts caught in the first crash (summer of 05) were corrupted beyond repair Sad

But we still have the front page posts. And the 'forum' wasn't started until about the 12th or 13th of June. Everything took place on the front page before then.
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2007, 05:20:11 PM »

Hi Sharon,

Looks to me that Lorenzo was brought in the 16th of june in addition to being questioned at the end of the month. I have a feeling that he was questioned the first week after Natalee went missing as well. Pietjezz says this from the translation on 6-10-05:Now i dont know if im going paranoid or what, but at the beginning of the week my neighbor told me that the police arrested Lorenzo because he had something to do with the case!
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2007, 05:53:53 PM »

******* -- like klaas (and several others), I've always believed Lorenzo had 'something' to do with the case.

Look at the extent that his name and whereabouts have been kept under wraps. All the lies that SandraKrazy circulated -- not to mention bondia/julia/glenda.

I think the ones that we have heard very little about other than the very beginning -- are involved up to their eyeballs. Koen. Sander. Guido. Posner. Lorenzo. Freddy. Where are ANY of them?

I don't have much free time anymore -- but when I do, I go back and read the old front page blogs and posts from June 2005. The lies. And the truths. Hard to separate sometimes Evil or Very Mad

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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2007, 10:21:00 AM »

Sharon/ *******;  Thanks for these posts.  It helps to get a refresher and be able to re read stuff after you learn more since these original postings.  It sometimes puts things into a different light.

I always found it to be an interesting read, pages 1187-1191 from the old days.  I have them saved if you wan't them we can arrange to exchange emails if you'd like.  

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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2007, 05:15:39 AM »

Friday, June 17th, 2005, 10:42 AM Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
Both CNN and FOX are reporting there has been a 4th arrest in the case. A young man maybe in his 20's and supposedly a friend of Jorans.

Good morning all, Jerseygril, it is now on Fox's website and there is a posting on Dan's site that has a transalation of the annoucement on top 95.

More news from Aruban radio:

ESTERDAY a man was taken for interrogation from savaneta....
THIS MORNING 6am....a boy of intials SGC (bron 1978) was taken into custody with relations to the case...we still have no EXACT info why but they took him this morning, and TOP95 say that they have high suspicions that NH is alive.......they will be back on in about an hour i belive


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http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244&page=28
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I don't know if his name is Lorenzo or not...
But from the very beginning "the son of an ex Vwagen dealer" was somehow involved..... He was the first one mentioned....
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First time poster but I’ve been lurking as a guest for a while so please be kind. This may not amount to a hill of beans but I have been searching on the guy named Lorenzo Van Rijn since you guys have been trying to find information on him. I haven’t been able to find anything with using the first name Lorenzo yet but I have found something I thought was kind of interesting concerning a company with the name of Van Rijn in Aruba. It appears that there are 3 business that may be affiliated with one another.

1st business Van Rijn IM- EN Export N.V. looks to be an import/export business from the listing. What I really thought was kind of odd as I kept on looking was that I also found 2 other companies which were and automotive company and a diesel company listed all at the same location. All 3 of these companies are located at the same address in Bacadera in Aruba. I’m not sure but I think this may be a shipping/cargo area.

2nd business known as R & S Diesel Service has the exact same phone number as the Van Rijn Im- En Export N.V. business.

3rd business known as R & S Automotive and Industrial Parts N.V. sell Volkswagon cars which you guys have mentioned that Lorenzo was connected to a Volkswagon dealership on the board before. This business has a different phone number but the exact same fax number as R & S Diesel Service.

This may have absolutely nothing to do with anything and may all be normal occurrences for businesses in Aruba but it kind of bothered me since the last name (Van Rijn) is the name on an import/export business. My apologies to the companies I’ve written about if I’m out in left field with all

Could R & S stand for Rijn and Sloot? Just speculation...
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 Forum: Natalee Breaking News Archive   Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:49 pm   Subject: RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS #9
aia, van Rijn is the son of the late owner of the Volkswagen dealership. He is very close to van der Sloot, and he has been taken in for questioning.

the took him again??!!! IM sorry I know who he ...
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 Forum: Natalee Breaking News Archive   Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:45 pm   Subject: RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS #9
sb, with the entrance of van Rijn into the picture, people are starting to get a bit scared. He has a very scary reputation, don't know if it's deserved or not.

Rob wrote:
a cell phone call from santa cruz does nt look to good....
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What is the cell phone thingy?
joran placed a cell phone call from santa cruz at 6.30 in the morning the day natalee was to leave... kinda funny to be in santa cruz at that hour, unless you were at a rave or underground party...

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yestaerday was a detention of someone important with this investigation, and this morning a guy of 26 years was arrested thisd moring, we dont know why but it has relation to the case of NH
Edmond:today at 6 poelice picked up at adress at Cas ARiba a youngster of 26 years...but others say hes only 18...were not sure but w/ lst name Croes in relation to this case, we dont know his roll in this but its possibly for interogation,.,...yestserday ..no confirmation yet......that their were detention of 2 borhters , dutch, that were interogated yestrday..information that keeps coming to TOP95 show that the invetigation is one that is slow, but trying to take SURE steps...slowly because theirs not much info on the case, but authroities keepo workgin on the case, we must say that in part of TOP95, we are following these revelations, again a boy w/ lst name Croes was detained..apparently he works by the marriott as a beach worker...
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