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« Reply #360 on: June 02, 2012, 07:17:51 PM »

If you bump into George Zimmerman, let him know...
By Steve Frank
Fri Jun 1, 2012 3:33 PM EDT


Former federal prosecutor Kendall Coffey explains why George Zimmerman must turn himself in within 48 hours.

If you happen to run into George Zimmerman this weekend (please, for your own safety, don't approach him wearing a hoodie), please let him know he's wanted back in jail.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester today revoked Zimmerman's bond, ordering the neighborhood watch volunteer charged with killing 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back to jail within 48 hours.

Lester said Zimmerman misled the court about how much money he had when his bond was set for $150,000 in April.

Prosecutors claim Zimmerman had $135,000 available that had been raised by a website he set up, and failed to surrender a second passport.
 
Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara says the finances are an innocent misunderstanding.
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http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/george-zimmerman

I don't recall specifically, but believe Zimmerman set up his original website a couple of days before he was jailed? Not sure that he would've had much in the account at all by the time of the bond hearing. Then...during the hearing his wife explained that a brother [or bro-in-law] was taking care of the site and that they hadn't spoken to him about it at that time, didn't know how much was in the account.


There was in excess of $150,000.00 in his paypal account from donations. Yes, George & his wife knew exactly how much (give or take a couple hundred dollars) was in his paypal account for 3-4 days before his bond hearing. But chose to lie under oath to the court he & Shellie (wifey) told the court they had NO money! He deserves to get booted back to the hoosegow! Maybe they have cells for married inmates, and he & Shellie can be bunk buddies! I have a feeling perjury charges will be coming Shellie's way in the near future!

Do you have a link for that info, please? I've looked around and can't find that information.
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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/04/27/146946/george-zimmermans-donation-website.html

George Zimmerman's donation website has raised $200,000, attorney says
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The defense lawyer for George Zimmerman said Thursday night that his client had received about $200,000 through donations to his website.

Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford, near Orlando, fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin of Miami Gardens on Feb. 26, after confronting the teen, whom he believed to be suspicious. Trayvon was not armed.

Sanford police cited Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law in not initially charging Zimmerman with killing Trayvon. Angela Corey, a special prosecutor appointed by Gov. Rick Scott, earlier this month charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder.

Thursday night, Zimmerman’s attorney, Mark O’Mara, told CNN’s Anderson Cooper that at first he had been told that Zimmerman had two accounts: one with $700, another with about $2,000.

But while trying to shut down all of Zimmerman’s Internet presence, his client asked him what to do with his PayPal accounts.

Days before Corey filed her charges, a website called TheRealGeorgeZimmerman.com sprang up. The website, since removed, said visitors could use a PayPal link to donate money to Zimmerman.

O’Mara told Cooper that the account contained $200,000 and $204,000.

Asked by Cooper whether a higher bond might have been set for Zimmerman if that amount had been known, O’Mara said “maybe.” He added that he would let the court know officially about the money.

But, O’Mara added, that he’s not sure that Zimmerman even realized the money was available to him. After Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bond at $150,000, it was Zimmerman’s family who cobbled together the money for his release.

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Thanks Klaas, I had seen that but looking for a response to...Quote:- "There was in excess of $150,000.00 in his paypal account from donations. Yes, George & his wife knew exactly how much (give or take a couple hundred dollars) was in his paypal account for 3-4 days before his bond hearing. But chose to lie under oath to the court he & Shellie (wifey) told the court they had NO money!" end quote

...that they knew of the amount days before the bond hearing.
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« Reply #361 on: June 02, 2012, 08:43:46 PM »

As more is revealed, some things get murkier.

More observation, thoughts & questions:

Trayvon supposedly went to the 7-11 to get a snack for his younger brother.

How many 17 year olds would walk to the store in the dark & the rain to get a snack fr a sibling and not get something for their self?  At least a drink for the walk home?

If Trayvon had been sent to his Dad's for the duration of his suspension from school, but his dad also lived in Miami,how did he end up in Orlando for the preceding week?  Was Dad on vacation from work?

Was the younger brother not concerned when TM didn't bring back the snack?

When Dad got home from wherever he was that night, did he not check to see if his 17 yo son who was on a suspension from school was at home?

If those are witnesses with the family of TM and the lawyer, wouldn't a picture of them all together be evidence of potential witness tampering?


I feel so sad for both the Martins and the Zimmermans, but it seems something is definitely hinky or not forthright.

Those are all great questions I wanted answers to, since he had been suspended 3 times from school IIRC - well, I would have kept a very short leash on him and I personally wouldn't have gone out - but I am weird that way, I would have wanted to keep an eye on him after the drug issues. After seeing his likes/followings or whatever they are called on YT really makes me wonder about the "lean" supposition, especially after reading his FB where he was asking someone if they had anyone who had a connection to liquid codeine....I also want to know what time he left 7-11 (the second time when he was outside after buying the Watermelon flavored fruit juice and skittles) and what time the first call came in.

One other issue, wasn't Chad Green home? How did he not know something was going on at the condo complex, and for that matter how did Tracy and Brandi not know.....maybe they din't get in until the wee hours, again I don't know but just curious how something like that would go unnoticed?

I read this account but haven't vetted this info so anyone who know the answer-I'd love to know:

The back entrance is real close, and if you lived in that part of the neighborhood it would be closer. The exit off I-4 is to the south, and it probably depend on traffic conditions which was the easier route.
 
The body left at 10:10, and the TV news shots made it look like not much was going on with clumps of police. If no patrol cars still had their flashers on, you might not be able to see them up Retreat View Circle. There would be 10 or so driveways with cars in them (since they are single-car garages), and if you had a remote to the garage you drive right in. Tracy and Brandy conveniently returned between 10:15 and 10:45.


link for above...it's in the comment section

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/26/interesting-development-trayvon-martin-quid-pro-quo-at-the-7-11/

Next my question is about Dee Dee, why not call someone, heck anyone after she heard the fight and was worried (according to her account) so much she tells him to run. I have seen her twitter account and she didn't seem one bit worried about ANYTHING. Why didn't she call Traymom or Traydad? Why wouldn't Tracy Martin let the LE have Trayvon's password, instead he wants to call his attorney? Aren't they searching for the truth ?

Now to Brandi via a Fox interview:

In the Fox News video Brandi says that it was a safe neighborhood, no crime that she knew of. The reporter asks her about the recently reported burglaries and she denies any burglaries happening. Yet I’m sure I saw them published in the Retreat newsletter in the discovery documents. Whole reason for the neighborhood watch from what I read.

Hmmm~ seems Crump got a hold of them really fast to help his media onslaught....

Crump then gets on every media outlet possible and states: Benjamin Crump, again referencing how he introduced DeeDee and what he said of her whereabouts on the days of Trayvon’s funeral. As previously outlined Trayvon’s viewing was the evening of Friday March 2nd with a memorial service and interment the following day Saturday March 3rd

Here are her Tweets listed here towards the bottom......I just find every aspect of this hinky including an arrest brought on due to team Sharpton/Crump/Holder and even Obama

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/21/update-10-part-2-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-deedee-reveals-the-false-truths/
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« Reply #362 on: June 02, 2012, 09:22:23 PM »

Ever since all the new evidence came out last week, there has been an onslaught of countering it with making GZ look less credible.

What about the witnesses who have changed their story?

What about Tracy Martin flip-flopping on the ID of the voice calling for help on the 911 calls?

What about the backpedaling of TM's mom in what she says to the media?

What about the credibility of TM's GF DeeDee?

What about the credibility of MSM in honest, unbiased reporting?  About NBC altering the 911 tape?  The editing of the 7-11 tape vs the raw footage?

Isn't the whole point of this to mete out justice based on the truth?

I agree with whoever posted that GZ will not receive a fair trial.
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« Reply #363 on: June 02, 2012, 10:28:44 PM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1206/01/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
George Zimmerman Ordered Back to Jail
Aired June 1, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you from New York City.

Breaking news in the Trayvon Martin shooting case. Accused killer George Zimmerman ordered back to jail, the judge revoking his bond for lying to the court.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, breaking news in the George Zimmerman case. Trayvon Martin`s shooter ordered back to jail after the prosecutor accused him of lying at his bond hearing. The judge furious as he revoked George Zimmerman`s bond. We`re going to talk to the lawyer for Trayvon`s family.

Also, growing questions about a disturbing series of crimes that have one very hideous things in common. Cops say a porn star dismembered and consumed a human body and caught it on video. Another man accused of doing the same thing to his roommate. A third attempting to devour the face of a homeless man. What is behind this? We`re going to examine the psychological roots.

Also, the mother of adorable missing Kyron Horman suing mad tonight. Desiree Young`s little boy vanished almost two years ago after his stepmom, Terri Horman, dropped him off at school. And now Desiree wants to hold Terri responsible. Will this spark any new clues in the search for Kyron?

GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, SHOOTING SUSPECT: Hey, we`ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there`s a real suspicious guy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just said he shot him. The person is dead, laying on the ground!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Sanford Police Department is conducting a fair investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There was gunshots.

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON: Our son was not committing any crime!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice! No peace!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice! No peace!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No justice! No peace!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you following him?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, we don`t need you to do that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Zimmerman has made the statement of self- defense.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But Neighborhood Watch is Neighborhood Watch, not neighborhood shoot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One million dollars for the capture of George Zimmerman.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know, if I had a son, he`d look like Trayvon.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think he`s yelling "help"?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: George, what`s your last name?

ZIMMERMAN: Zimmerman.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, breaking news in George Zimmerman`s murder case. The man accused of gunning down an unarmed teen has been ordered back to jail. A judge in Florida revoked Zimmerman`s bond today for lying about his passport and how much money he had.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KENNETH LESTER, JUDGE: He can`t sit back and obtain the benefits of a lower bond or circumstances based upon those material falsehoods. That`s what they were. So at this time I revoke him bond, place him on no-bond status.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The Neighborhood Watch volunteer is charged with second-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The teen was walking home from a convenience store the evening of February 26 when the defendant shot him, shot him dead. Zimmerman claims he fired in self-defense. The prosecutor says Zimmerman misrepresented how much money he had when his bond was first granted back in April. That`s a fancy way of saying he lied. Zimmerman claimed indigence, that he was broke. And that played a part in him getting to walk out of jail.

But the state now says Zimmerman had access to at least 135 grand he got from a Web site where he was asking for donations to help pay for his defense. Prosecutors say Zimmerman can be heard in jail phone calls talking in code, telling his wife, essentially, to move the money around.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defendant`s wife lied to this court when -- and I`ve cited in the motion -- both Mr. O`Mara and the state asked her questions, she stated she had no money when, in fact, the records show that she did.

We have the jail calls the defendant made to his wife and to other people -- and I`ll focus specifically on his wife, Shelly Zimmerman -- in which he repeatedly tells her about the money, about moving the money, and transferring it from one position to the other.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow! Those phone calls are going to become a crucial part of this entire case.

Straight out to Natalie Jackson, the attorney for the Trayvon Martin family. Your reaction to this extraordinary development of the judge saying, "You lied. You go back to jail."

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: I will tell you, we`ve said all along this case is about the American justice system and whether or not it works equally and fairly for all.

What the judge did today was very important to this case. The judge said that he was going to follow the law, and he was going to make everyone else follow the law. And it testified truthfully about what they know, and he was not going to allow any shenanigans in his courtroom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say, Mark Nejame, HLN contributor, criminal defense attorney, what I saw, just from a chess game strategy was, wow, this is war.

Now, you remember during that bond hearing it seemed like the defense attorney, Mark O`Mara, had really scored points against the prosecution, even embarrassed the prosecutors. He sort of held a mini trial, called up an investigator, started cross-examining him. The gentleman didn`t have all the answers, hadn`t seen a medical report. And everybody was kind of snickering, saying, "Wow. Mark O`Mara, Zimmerman`s attorney, just absolutely devastated them."

Well, today it was payback, because this was a big day for the prosecution, Mark.

MARK NEJAME, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes, credit where credit`s due.

Look, if he lied, bail should be denied. There`s no question about it.

I was a little surprised in that I thought that the judge would require a hearing in order for a determination to be made as to whether there was a misrepresentation. The judge has done it in reverse of what I thought. He basically yanked the bond and said, "I`ll give you a second bite of the apple. But if you want another evidentiary hearing later on, I`ll give it to you."

But apparently, the state was able to get the tapes of -- when you`re in jail, all your calls are recorded. And they had it all lined up, and they were able to establish, at least to the court`s satisfaction, that there was money there. And if there was money there, and it was a misrepresentation, judge did the right thing.

I just simply wanted there to be an evidentiary hearing so we could really find out what happened. But apparently -- and I`ve not seen it -- but if those transcripts are as the judge indicated -- of course, we have no reason to doubt otherwise. I mean, if the judge stated it, I know it to be correct. Then there`s big trouble. Not only for yanking the bond but also for the credibility down the line.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, exactly. How dumb is this?

Joe Episcopo, criminal defense attorney, I mean, in a self-defense case where the victim is not around anymore, because he`s tragically died, the shooter`s most important defense is his own word, his credibility, when he claims, "I did it in self-defense."

And now his credibility, according to a lot of observers, is shot because he`s been shown up by prosecutors to be a liar and also kind of a conniver, allegedly, purportedly speaking in code with his wife, caught on this recording.

JOE EPISCOPO, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, especially as it relates to...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, Joe.

EPISCOPO: And you know, I know Judge Lester. He`s a very fair and even-tempered judge. Even though he did throw me out of his courtroom one time.

Now they`ll have to appeal his decision and prove an abuse of discretion, which they won`t be able to do, and he`ll sit there until his trial comes. So I don`t think he`s in good shape at this particular point.

And, you know, I thought it was pretty obvious that they were making a lot of money on the Internet. They should have said something. "Judge, we`re hoping to make a lot of money to help with this case on the Internet. So far we`ve made such-and-such." Why didn`t they do that? It sounds like they were trying to cover it up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I`ve got to tell you, I talked to Mark O`Mara after that bond hearing. And I said, listen, when it came out that they had made all of this money on the Web site, I said, "Didn`t you ask your client about that?"

And he acknowledged. He said, you know, "I should have -- I should have been a little more thorough."

But, I mean, I think in this day and age where everything comes out, Natalie Jackson, were you, as the attorney -- an attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family, astounded that these kinds of purported hijinks were being played with the court on such a high-profile case? Does anybody really think they`re going to be able to hide a couple of hundred grand?

JACKSON: Well, you know, we`ve always known that George Zimmerman`s credibility is what is going to do him in at the end. That this whole case is based on whether or not he`s credible, whether or not there is a self- defense claim.

He`s the only person that say that he acted in self-defense. So his credibility is the key to this case. So what we were, we were actually -- our faith was restored a little bit that the law was going to be followed. We`ve always believed, if the law is followed, then there will be a conviction in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Want to go out to the phone lines, because they`re lighting up over this. Lori, Tennessee, your question or thought -- Lori.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CALLER: I just, you know -- just listening to all of these things that are going on with this case, and I thought from the beginning, if Zimmerman would have just taken responsibility for what happened, I think he knew it wasn`t self-defense. But he had to come up with something. And he knew law enforcement well enough.

But I also think that the police officers dropped the ball a little bit, too, because they just took his word for it. And now...

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These witnesses are scared to death to comply in terms of their names, their intimate details, where they live, their relatives, their phone numbers, et cetera, being publicized, where they work. And our fear is that`s what`s going to occur.

And in the long run, it`s going to do a disservice to this particular case, and it`s going to severely impact the ability to try this case in this county, maybe even the state of Florida.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, that`s the prosecutor saying, "Hey, Judge, please don`t give out to the media the names of the witnesses and the photo of the victim, texts, cell phone records."

But, of course, Florida has the biggest, most open sunshine laws, and essentially the judge said, "Look, the law is against us. The law in Florida is different than any other place in the country."

But that got overshadowed by the bombshell developments toward the end of the hearing when the judge hears the prosecution`s motion to throw this guy, George Zimmerman, back in the clink and agrees. In fact, the judge is furious.

Sunny Hostin, "In Session" legal contributor, play it down. Tell us in people terms what the heck happened.

SUNNY HOSTIN, LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, what happened is that the government, of course, filed a motion to revoke George Zimmerman`s bond on two grounds, because they have been doing their work, their investigation. And they found out that George Zimmerman and Shelly Zimmerman had been having these jailhouse phone calls. And, as you know, Jane, and as I know and probably most of your viewers know, those calls are always monitored and taped.

Well, for the first round, they found out that George Zimmerman, while he did relinquish one passport, apparently, he had a second passport that he had applied for, claiming that the first passport had been lost. And the second passport that he maintains that he kept didn`t expire until 2014.

But, really, Jane, what the court, what Judge Lester was most concerned about was the second ground that the government moved on, and that is they found out during these phone calls between George and Shelly Zimmerman that, in fact, the day before this bond hearing, the hearing at which Shelly Zimmerman took an oath to tell the truth, yet told the court that she had no money, no funds that she knew of to come up with enough money to bond George Zimmerman out. In fact, they had $135,000 in a credit union account that she controlled at the direction of George Zimmerman.

Well, Jane, you know judges do not like to be lied to. They don`t like misrepresentations. And once he heard about that, this judge yanked his bond, ordered him back to jail within 48 hours.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Nejame, HLN contributor, criminal defense attorney out of Orlando, if George Zimmerman ultimately takes the stand in his own defense at his trial, will he be cross-examined about these alleged misrepresentations, this lying purportedly about passport, about money?

NEJAME: You hit the nail on the head. That`s going to be the issue about admissibility. And he did not specifically say that at his bond hearing, but apparently allowed his wife to make statements which the judge has interpreted as being untrue. So to specifically attach a statement, you really can`t do that.

However, if they can show that he possibly allowed lies to come in, it`s going to be a stretch. I mean, it`s one thing to pull the bond. It`s going to clearly impact his credibility for a stand-your-ground hearing, presuming there is one. It becomes more iffy at the time of trial whether any of it will be able to get in.

But I think if, in fact, the lie was told and it turns out to be a lie -- and I think there is going to be a subsequent evidentiary hearing -- judge gave the defense the opportunity to do that. In his press conference, O`Mara said that he would be presenting his client to give an explanation to the court.

But the reality of it is, is that this hurts across the board: credibility and everything else, no question about it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie Jackson, you are an attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family. What was their reaction to this news? Because I know they were devastated when he got out on bond, and he walked free. I remember them walking away, and they looked like they had tears in their eyes.

JACKSON: Yes. You know, of course they always thought that George Zimmerman behind -- belonged behind bars. They are parents who lost a teenage -- a teenage child. So for them, I think that, you know, they consider that their faith is being restored in the justice system, too.

They want the law to be followed. That`s all that they`ve asked for in this case. That was that. The beginning of this case was the demand for an arrest. We know, by the prosecution`s affidavit, there should have been an arrest in this case.

So the law has always -- whether or not we were going to follow the law has always been a question. And today the judge gave us faith by telling us, yes, we are.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LESTER: He can`t sit back and enjoy the benefit of a lower bond or circumstances based upon those material falsehoods. That`s what they were. So at this time, revoke his bond, place him on no-bond status.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: An angry judge says, "George Zimmerman, you`re going back to jail."

And to put it in people terms, the prosecutor said that this guy lied, that he lied and that his wife also misrepresented the amount of money they had. They presented themselves as broke when they were given -- he was given bond, and now it comes out that they had a lot of money. They had a Web site set up to receive donations.

Now, this could be the beginning of Zimmerman`s problems, because there was something that sort of -- you could have missed it if you were watching the hearing. It was said in passing but could be absolutely crucial. And it relates to this so-called witness No. 9.

The prosecutor cryptically referred to some person that has some kind of dispute with George Zimmerman, details that the state says could prejudice the jury against George Zimmerman. Listen carefully.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The audio-recorded statements, 2 CDs have been furnished to defense of a witness identified as witness No. 9 taken on March 20 of 2012 by investigators for the Sanford state attorney`s office.

It deals with an allegation made by that witness regarding an act committed by this defendant. I think quite frankly, in fairness to the defendant, it would be severely prejudicial to the defendant.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Allegations of an act committed by this defendant that would be severely prejudicial to this defendant? Wow, my ears popped up at that one. Mark Nejame, did your ears pop up when you heard that, too?

NEJAME: I must have been driving because I didn`t hear it, but, having heard it now, I will tell you that what he`s likely alluding to is prior acts. Prior acts are historically and typically and legally not permitted in court. I think that`s what both sides were arguing, they were trying to bar the press from basically having all this.

Apparently, he did something that will be interpreted by the public, at least from the prosecution`s perspective, as being prejudicial and inflammatory, and it won`t be admissible in court anyway. So that`s likely -- what it is specifically we don`t know, but a prior act standing alone is not going to get into court.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Sunny Hostin, briefly, are we going to learn, is the media going to find out, what this allegation is? Twenty seconds.

HOSTIN: Well, you know, it seemed that the judge was inclined to release a lot of information. He said very clearly, Jane, that according to him and the sunshine laws, that the laws were sort of against what the prosecution was asking for. So we may hear about it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Extraordinary day in court.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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« Reply #364 on: June 02, 2012, 11:37:45 PM »

Aw, c'mon already.  What's with the continued use of this photo of TM?  Read the caption below the photo.  Yes, GZ did shoot and kill TM.  And yes TM is the same person in the old photo as he would be if he were shown in a recent photo.  However, GZ did not shoot TM at the age he is shown in the photo.  Yes, it's really sad a young man was shot to death, but the media needs to stop with the false information/impressions.  It's wrong!  How many people understand how the news is being manipulated?!  Look at the statements I've noted in blue.  I believe the media should take a look at itself in regard to fanning the flames of hatred, racism and talk about "promotional campaigns!!"     Misinformation campaign.  JMHO

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sanford-image-20120603,0,4831370.story
Sanford tries to rebuild its image after Trayvon Martin shooting
The Florida city has put together a public relations effort to showcase it in a positive light after media coverage of the case did some damage.

June 2, 2012


Trayvon Martin was shot by George Zimmerman, who is facing a second-degree murder charge (Anonymous, Associated Press / March 7, 2012)
SANFORD, Fla. — In the war of images that followed the killing of Trayvon Martin, Sanford has launched a new offensive: a promotional campaign to showcase the city in a positive light.

After Martin was fatally shot in a Sanford gated community in February, a torrent of news coverage worldwide cast the city as a backward burg troubled by racism, angry protesters and an inept Police Department that did not arrest neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who is half white, half Peruvian, for killing the unarmed African American teenager.

Sanford merchants saw sales decline, customers canceled reservations at restaurants and fewer shoppers browsed downtown streets.

Now, Sanford officials are putting together a public relations effort to proclaim that the Seminole County seat is still "The Friendly City" touted by its slogan.
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« Reply #365 on: June 03, 2012, 07:58:23 AM »

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-03/trayvon-martin-case-witness-statements/55349480/1
Witnesses in Trayvon Martin case offer differing accounts
By Yamiche Alcindor, USA TODAY
June 3, 2012

A witness in the Trayvon Martin case gives a clear account of the fight just before a fatal gunshot was fired: a black man with a hoodie on top of a white man.
But another witness recalls it quite differently: a man with a white shirt on top of another.

The stark contradictions from witnesses are not uncommon and underscore the difficulties prosecutors will have in trying to portray the final moments of Trayvon's life to a jury. Whether George Zimmerman will go to prison for killing Trayvon will probably rest on troublesome witness accounts and the inherent unreliability of human memory, experts say.

"Perceptions are very individualistic," said Bennett Gershman, a Pace University law professor. "The fact that witnesses will see different things and testify to different things is one of the realities to our fact-finding system."
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A number of witness statements reviewed by USA TODAY tell a confusing story of neighbors who saw and heard little of a confrontation that has captivated the nation.

Many who spoke with police and attorneys about the night of the shooting echo the statement of a person identified as witness one. "I looked out the window and I really couldn't see anything," the person told Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigators on March 20.

Others share in the uncertainty in dozens of interviews included in discovery documents released by the state prosecutor's office. Most describe darkness and rain, muffled shouts and what could have been kids horsing around or two men fighting for their lives.

In one of the starkest contrasts, two people describe wholly different accounts of the altercation between Zimmerman and Trayvon.

"There was a black man with a black hoodie on top of either a white guy or … a Hispanic guy with a red sweat shirt on the ground yelling out 'help,'" a person identified as witness six told a Sanford police officer hours after the shooting.

A person identified as witness three offered investigators another account on March 19. "I just saw this white shirt on top," the person said. "I tried to stay away. I was scared."

The differing versions don't surprise Barbara Tversky, a Columbia University psychology professor who said people can easily mix up things when witnessing such a sudden event.

"At the time something happens, we are trying to make sense of it," she said. "I'm not focusing on someone's shirt color or height. I'm focusing on what's happening and trying to make sense of what's going on."

Later, people try to process what they saw — and that can lead to inaccuracies. "People are more influenced to what they think must have happened," Tversky said.

That may be the case for a person identified as witness number five, who injects opinion into a statement to Sanford police. "It just sounded like someone was struggling or in trouble or hurting or something," the person said. The person later added, "I feel that he [Zimmerman] intended for this kid to die because there was no struggling going on at that point [when gunshot was heard]."

Another witness is a friend of Trayvon Martin, who said she was on the phone with the teen when the fight ensued.

In her version, Trayvon, scared and out of breath from running, unsuccessfully tries to lose Zimmerman. "I hear this old man say, 'What are you doing around here?,'" the girl said in an interview with an assistant state attorney. "Then I could hear the grass."

It's unclear whether a jury will ever hear her story. Much of it is about what Trayvon said to her and that may be declared inadmissible hearsay, Gershman said.

Gershman, who listened to a majority of the witness recordings, said he doubts jurors will get a sense of who started the fight — a key point that experts believe the case rests upon.

"I don't think we're ever going to have a clear picture of what happened," he said.
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« Reply #366 on: June 03, 2012, 10:15:47 AM »

Just wondering if this case would be so notorious if it were reversed? If TM had killed the neighborhood watchman, GZ?
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« Reply #368 on: June 03, 2012, 10:26:07 AM »

George Zimmerman Returns to Florida to Turn Self In After Bail Revoked

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-returns-sanford-florida-turn-bail-revoked/story?id=16484963&page=2

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SANFORD, Fla., June 3, 2012


George Zimmerman: In my account do I have at least $100?

Shelly Zimmerman: No

George Zimmerman: How close am I?

Shelly Zimmerman: $8. $8.60

George Zimmerman: Really? So total everything how much are we looking at?
Shelly Zimmerman: Like $155

Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda noted Shelly Zimmerman actually meant $155,000.

He said the couple knew that their conversation was being recorded but that they were speaking in code and knowingly withheld from the court the amount of money brought in from therealgeorgezimmerman.com, the now defunct website set up by the 28-year-old to help fund his defense fund.


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« Reply #369 on: June 03, 2012, 10:51:30 AM »

Easily traceable by the courts and LE is how much money Zimmerman had in that donation account.  Also easily identifiable is if he knew how much money he actually had.  It's my understanding that it was a PAYPAL link for donations.  If that is the case if Zimmerman's personal email addy was used (and I believe it was) Zimmerman absolutely DID have access to any and all donations made.

I'm not siding with Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, I'm only addressing this donation issue and how much money Zimmerman told the court he had.
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« Reply #370 on: June 03, 2012, 11:03:59 AM »

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/george-zimmerman-back-florida-turn-police-article-1.1089069
George Zimmerman back in Florida, will turn himself in to police
Judge revoked Zimmerman's bail on Friday

June 3, 2012

George Zimmerman has come out of hiding Sunday and will turn himself into Florida police sometime before 2:30 p.m., his lawyer said.

Zimmerman returned to Sanford late Saturday night from his undisclosed hideout, attorney Mark O'Mara said in the statement.

On Friday, the 28-year-old neighborhood watchman was ordered to return to jail within 48 hours after Florida Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester found that he and his wife lied about their finances at a bail hearing on April 20.

Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, testified they were broke, prompting the judge to set bail at $150,000.

But the couple didn't mention the $135,000 they had raised through a website.

Lester said on Friday that the Zimmermans misled him.

Zimmerman's defense said the flap was a misunderstanding and insisted he didn’t know how to get his hands on the cash.

The total has reportedly grown to more than $200,000.

O'Mara said Sunday he would request a new bond hearing and hoped Zimmerman's surrender would prove he's not a flight risk.
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« Reply #371 on: June 03, 2012, 11:05:51 AM »

Easily traceable by the courts and LE is how much money Zimmerman had in that donation account.  Also easily identifiable is if he knew how much money he actually had.  It's my understanding that it was a PAYPAL link for donations.  If that is the case if Zimmerman's personal email addy was used (and I believe it was) Zimmerman absolutely DID have access to any and all donations made.

I'm not siding with Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, I'm only addressing this donation issue and how much money Zimmerman told the court he had.

Not sure, but just wondering if Zimmerman had access to a computer to look at emails.  Wasn't he in jail? Do prisoners have access to the net? Unless of course he gave his wife his password.  Just some thoughts here. 
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« Reply #372 on: June 03, 2012, 11:36:33 AM »

Easily traceable by the courts and LE is how much money Zimmerman had in that donation account.  Also easily identifiable is if he knew how much money he actually had.  It's my understanding that it was a PAYPAL link for donations.  If that is the case if Zimmerman's personal email addy was used (and I believe it was) Zimmerman absolutely DID have access to any and all donations made.

I'm not siding with Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, I'm only addressing this donation issue and how much money Zimmerman told the court he had.

Not sure, but just wondering if Zimmerman had access to a computer to look at emails.  Wasn't he in jail? Do prisoners have access to the net? Unless of course he gave his wife his password.  Just some thoughts here. 

I don't think "I've been in jail this week and haven't been able to access the internet" will work as an excuse.  If the judge asks how much money you have access to you better find someone to get that information to you.  You can't claim ignorance.  He would be getting email updates of his paypal account likely available on his phone as well.

 
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« Reply #373 on: June 03, 2012, 11:46:53 AM »

Easily traceable by the courts and LE is how much money Zimmerman had in that donation account.  Also easily identifiable is if he knew how much money he actually had.  It's my understanding that it was a PAYPAL link for donations.  If that is the case if Zimmerman's personal email addy was used (and I believe it was) Zimmerman absolutely DID have access to any and all donations made.

I'm not siding with Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin, I'm only addressing this donation issue and how much money Zimmerman told the court he had.

Not sure, but just wondering if Zimmerman had access to a computer to look at emails.  Wasn't he in jail? Do prisoners have access to the net? Unless of course he gave his wife his password.  Just some thoughts here. 

I don't think "I've been in jail this week and haven't been able to access the internet" will work as an excuse.  If the judge asks how much money you have access to you better find someone to get that information to you.  You can't claim ignorance.  He would be getting email updates of his paypal account likely available on his phone as well.

 

   He should have said he had this account, regardless of what amount was in it for sure. 
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« Reply #374 on: June 03, 2012, 12:57:50 PM »

Aw, c'mon already.  What's with the continued use of this photo of TM?  Read the caption below the photo.  Yes, GZ did shoot and kill TM.  And yes TM is the same person in the old photo as he would be if he were shown in a recent photo.  However, GZ did not shoot TM at the age he is shown in the photo.  Yes, it's really sad a young man was shot to death, but the media needs to stop with the false information/impressions.  It's wrong!  How many people understand how the news is being manipulated?!  Look at the statements I've noted in blue.  I believe the media should take a look at itself in regard to fanning the flames of hatred, racism and talk about "promotional campaigns!!"     Misinformation campaign.  JMHO
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-sanford-image-20120603,0,4831370.story
Sanford tries to rebuild its image after Trayvon Martin shooting
The Florida city has put together a public relations effort to showcase it in a positive light after media coverage of the case did some damage.

June 2, 2012


Trayvon Martin was shot by George Zimmerman, who is facing a second-degree murder charge (Anonymous, Associated Press / March 7, 2012)
SANFORD, Fla. — In the war of images that followed the killing of Trayvon Martin, Sanford has launched a new offensive: a promotional campaign to showcase the city in a positive light.

After Martin was fatally shot in a Sanford gated community in February, a torrent of news coverage worldwide cast the city as a backward burg troubled by racism, angry protesters and an inept Police Department that did not arrest neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman, who is half white, half Peruvian, for killing the unarmed African American teenager.

Sanford merchants saw sales decline, customers canceled reservations at restaurants and fewer shoppers browsed downtown streets.

Now, Sanford officials are putting together a public relations effort to proclaim that the Seminole County seat is still "The Friendly City" touted by its slogan.
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« Reply #375 on: June 03, 2012, 02:08:47 PM »

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/3/george_zimmerman_tur.html


George Zimmerman turns himself in to the Seminole County Jail Sunday, June 3, 2012

Last Updated: Sunday, June 03, 2012 @ 01:55PM


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« Reply #376 on: June 03, 2012, 02:34:16 PM »

 Now he knows how much money is in his account.  Edit to add link per Seahorse.  MB
http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/InmateInfo.aspx?bkgnbr=201200004452

INMATE INFORMATION  

Booking #:  201200004452  
Name:  GEORGE   ZIMMERMAN  


Arrested by:  Seminole County Sheriff`s Office  
Arrest Date:  04/11/2012 08:30:00 PM  
 
  
 
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« Reply #377 on: June 03, 2012, 02:39:48 PM »

http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/InmateInfo.aspx?bkgnbr=201200004452

Sorry, Muffy, I forgot to post the Link.

John E. Polk Correctional Facility


Booking #:  201200004452 
Name:  GEORGE   ZIMMERMAN
   


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« Reply #378 on: June 03, 2012, 02:45:10 PM »

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/


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Zimmerman's lawyers say their client returned to the state to meet this afternoon's deadline. They say they will ask for a new bond hearing.

During a bond hearing in April, Zimmerman and his wife indicated they had limited funds. But prosecutors say Zimmerman had raised thousands through a website he had set up for his legal defense.

His lawyers said in a press release that the money Zimmerman has raised is in an independent trust and cannot be directly accessed by Zimmerman or his attorneys.
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Both McClean and Hill said O'Mara would be able to challenge the admissibility of the bond revocation at trial by questioning its relevance.

Zimmerman was arrested 44 days after the killing, and during a bond hearing in April, his wife, Shellie, testified that the couple had limited funds available. Zimmerman took the stand at the hearing and apologized to Martin's parents.

Prosecutors pointed out in their motion that Zimmerman had $135,000 available then. It had been raised from donations through a website he had set up. They suggested more has been collected since and deposited in a bank account.

Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical.

Prosecutor Bernie De la Rionda complained Friday, "This court was led to believe they didn't have a single penny. It was misleading and I don't know what words to use other than it was a blatant lie." The judge agreed and ordered Zimmerman returned to jail by Sunday afternoon.

The defense countered that Zimmerman and his wife never used the money for anything, which indicated "there was no deceit."

The judge said he would schedule a hearing after Zimmerman is back in custody so he could explain himself.

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, said his clients have always said Zimmerman should remain in jail until trial.
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« Reply #379 on: June 03, 2012, 02:56:02 PM »

Do we know how the accounts were set up?  How could the money be accessed?  Were only certain persons allowed access?  My point being, if the accounts were set up to be used to pay for a defense, maybe the family didn't have direct access to the moneys.  Also, if the account were set up to pay household expenses for the wife, maybe there was an accountant that was in charge of paying bills. 

Has anyone seen the paperwork for these accts to know the exact terms for which they were set up?
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