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« Reply #420 on: June 05, 2012, 12:29:13 AM »

"Shellie Zimmerman was asked about the website at the hearing, but she said she didn't know how much money had been raised. Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester set bail at $150,000. The 28-year-old was freed a few days later after posting $15,000 in cash — which is typical."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57446205/george-zimmerman-back-in-fla-jail/
Edit to add date of article publication.  MB  June 3, 2012


This is what I don't understand, the prosecution, judge knew of this account at the bond hearing. Why didn't the judge require Shellie Zimmerman to check into then disclose $ in the account? I don't see that she lied,...she didn't try to hide the account.


This is interesting.......the prosecutor DID NOT read an accurate transcript to the judge to 'prove' she lied. Shelly offered to call her brother in law to give the judge the total accurate amount, yet strangely this was not in the transcript he read. Looks like the prosecutor lied to the judge!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpzBX9Q56Ws&noredirect=1

Granted I have already forgotten what was in the transcript offered by the prosecution, but will go back and look when I get in from the beach.


Ok, I did go find the info/document the prosecution offered to in the bond revocation doc....they (the prosecution did LEAVE out the part from the 4/20 bond hearing where SZ offers the info about her BIL taking care of the a/c and even stated he could be reached by phone.........so, if this is such a huge issue why didn't they do that? And why leave that portion out during this last hearing? Did this dude work for NBC at one time 

Here is the link to the motion they prosecution filed:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/121850210/Zimmerman-Motion-to-Revoke-Bond

or if it's easier you can find it here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/george-zimmermans-bond-re_n_1563304.html?1338577255&icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl1%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D166256

Island - TY for the info.  If it's not too much trouble, would you please post the YouTube link where you saw that Shelly's comments were "in" the first bond hearing?  I'd love to see that.
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« Reply #421 on: June 05, 2012, 01:12:04 AM »

Island, et al, nevermind.  I found the transcript:  top right corner, page 26, beginning with line 15

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95589259/Zimmerman-April-20-2012-Hearing-Transcript
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« Reply #422 on: June 05, 2012, 11:42:23 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

Attorney: Zimmerman's bond request delayed
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 11:00 AM EDT, Tue June 5, 2012

(CNN) -- Although George Zimmerman's lawyers plan to file a motion asking for a new bond hearing for the murder suspect, the filing has been delayed, defense attorneys said Tuesday.
 
"Mr. Zimmerman's legal defense team has decided to delay filing a motion for bond," the defense team said Tuesday on its website, GZLegalcase.com. "A hearing will not be scheduled for a couple of weeks, and we will file a motion well in advance of the hearing."
 
The filing was delayed for several reasons, lead defense attorney Mark O'Mara told CNN, but he did not elaborate.
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« Reply #423 on: June 05, 2012, 11:47:33 AM »

http://gzlegalcase.com/

Update on Motion for Bond
on 05 June 2012.

Mr. Zimmerman's legal defense team has decided to delay filing a motion for bond. A hearing will not be scheduled for a couple of weeks, and we will file a the motion well in advance of the hearing.

Details Regarding the Request for a Second Bond Hearing for George Zimmerman
on 04 June 2012.

Zimmerman's defense team will file a motion today for a second bond hearing. While Mr. Zimmerman acknowledges that he allowed his financial situation to be misstated in court, the defense will emphasize that in all other regards, Mr. Zimmerman has been forthright and cooperative. He gave several voluntary statements to the police, re-enacted the events for them, gave voice exemplars for comparison and stayed in ongoing contact with the Department of Law Enforcement during his initial stage of being in hiding. He has twice surrendered himself to law enforcement when asked to do so, and this should demonstrate that Mr. Zimmerman is not a flight risk. He has also complied with all conditions of his release, including curfew, keeping in touch with his supervising officers, and maintaining his GPS monitoring, without violation.
 
The audio recordings of Mr. Zimmerman's phone conversations while in jail make it clear that Mr. Zimmerman knew a significant sum had been raised by his original fundraising website. We feel the failure to disclose these funds was caused by fear, mistrust, and confusion. The gravity of this mistake has been distinctly illustrated, and Mr. Zimmerman understands that this mistake has undermined his credibility, which he will have to work to repair.
 
At the point of the bond hearing, Mr. Zimmerman had been driven from his home and neighborhood, could not go to work, his wife could not go back to a finish her nursing degree, his mother and father had been driven from their home, and he had been thrust into the national spotlight as a racist murderer by factions acting with their own agendas. None of those allegations have been supported by the discovery released to date, yet the hatred continues.
 
It must be noted that, when attempting to interpret George's actions regarding the funds, that he did disclose the existence of the funds five days after the bond hearing, during his first conversation with the defense about the fund. When the defense team learned of the funds, we disclosed this to the court and to the State Attorney's Office, and the money was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund which is now independently managed.
 
Of the original $204,000 raised by Mr. Zimmerman's fund, approximately $150,000 was transferred to the Legal Defense Fund. $30,000 was used to make the complicated transition from private life in Sanford, FL to a life in hiding as a defendant in a high-profile court case. The balance of approximately $20,000 was kept liquid to provide living expenses for the first several months as the legal process unfolds.
 
Since the independently managed Legal Defense Fund was established on May 3, supporters have contributed more than $37,000. Of this amount, $2,000 has been designated for household expenses. Less than $300 has been designated for fund management and fees associated with maintaining the conditions of the bond. None of the funds have yet to be allocated to legal expenses. Neither Mr. Zimmerman or the defense team has direct access to the independently managed Legal Defense Fund.
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« Reply #424 on: June 05, 2012, 02:33:11 PM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1206/04/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
George Zimmerman Back in Jail
Aired June 4, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: ... absolutely our responsibility to help. And so today, we can help those on the other side of the world, thanks to social media. Amazing.

And now, tonight, George Zimmerman`s own words helped send him back to jail. Are his recorded conversations with his wife proof that he lied to the court or did he make honest mistakes under the mounting pressure of a second-degree murder charge? You will hear all the details next.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman forced back to jail after he`s accused of lying to the judge about being broke. Was Zimmerman speaking in code with his wife in jailhouse tapes to hide $130,000? Is this like the Casey Anthony case, where what happens in lockup doesn`t stay in lockup? Trayvon Martin`s family`s attorney and Zimmerman`s good friend debate it next. And I`m taking your calls.

Plus, did cops catch the Butcher of Montreal? The self-described porn star accused of brutally killing and dismembering his former lover sparked an international manhunt. Tonight, I`ll talk to the "Playboy" Barbi twins, who say they`ve been ignored for years in their battle to catch this monster.

And health guru, Nancy Preston back in our adventure to slim, sharing her secrets on how to snack and still lose weight.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Zimmerman surrendered yesterday and is now back in jail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is in custody now; he`s going to remain there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A judge revoked his bond Friday, saying he misled the court about his finances and an unsurrendered passport.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They also accused the couple of speaking in code somehow about the donations from a Web site that he set up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have the jailhouse calls the defendant made to his wife.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Doesn`t it tell you where his mindset is: "I can skate. I can just kind of convince them that I`m telling the truth"?

BENJAMIN CRUMP, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: His credibility is the most important thing in this entire case.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Zimmerman, who had been living in an undisclosed location due to threats on his life, is charged with second-degree murder.

MARK O`MARA, ATTORNEY FOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: He`s worried about himself. He`s worried about his wife. He`s worried about his family.

CRUMP: We`ve always believed if the shoe was on the other foot, that Trayvon Martin would have been put in jail on day one, and he would not have been given bail.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If this wasn`t relevant to bond, then why did they lie about it?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live from New York City after a brutal court battle.

Shooter George Zimmerman is back under lock and key tonight as we speak. Take a look at his new mug shot, the second in as many months. Did he sabotage his own case by talking in code with his wife back when he was in jail the first time?

Zimmerman shot and killed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin back in February. After a national uproar, he was finally arrested in April, but he was in jail for only 12 days. He walked out after paying just 15 grand in bail. Now that bond`s been revoked.

Look at this new video of Zimmerman as he turns himself in to police just yesterday. The reason he was sent back to the slammer? Prosecutors say he lied to the judge. As proof, they produced conversations between Zimmerman and his wife, Shelly, where they appear to be talking in code. They were recorded by the state when George was in jail the first time around.

George Zimmerman asked her: "In my account, do I have at least 100?"

His wife responds, "No."

"How close am I?" George asks.

"Eight dollars," says his wife. "Eight sixty."

George says, "Really?" And then asks, "So total everything, how much are we looking at?"

His wife responds, "Like 155."

Prosecutors contend when she said "155," she was talking in code and really meant $155,000, which would mean George knew he was rolling in money when he told the judge he was flat broke.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line is, we believe, and he allege, that the defendant and his wife misled the court.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Today Zimmerman`s lawyer wrote, quote, "The failure to disclose these funds were caused by fear, mistrust and confusion. The gravity of this mistake has been illustrated, and Mr. Zimmerman understands he`s undermined his credibility, which he will work hard to repair."

What do you think? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to Natalie Jackson, the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family.

Natalie, George Zimmerman wants a new hearing. He wants to get back out of jail again. Some suspect he will argue, "Well, I really didn`t think the money was mine. I thought it was the defense team`s money, because it was raised for my defense." Will that explanation hold water, Natalie?

NATALIE JACKSON, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY (via phone): I`ll tell you, Jane, George Zimmerman, he has a right to file this motion and to ask the judge, appeal to the judge and ask him for a new bond.

The judge in this case, you know, he`s going to -- he`s going to think about George Zimmerman`s credibility. Now, the credibility is just whether or not he`s a truthful person. It doesn`t really go to a bond.

So -- but this case is about the justice system and making sure that everyone gets a fair shake in this justice system. So if we think about it fairly, you know, George Zimmerman and his attorney, they have every right to file for a new bond. However, his credibility has been damaged.

And it`s not -- it`s not truthful or even -- it`s not an honest conversation, as we say that it`s excusable to lie to the court just because you`re scared and mistrustful of the justice system. If that were true, then everybody, you know, who`s ever been done a wrong, and they find themselves a criminal defendant should be able to lie to a justice -- to a judge, and that`s not the way our system works.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank Taaffe, you`ve been George Zimmerman`s neighbor and you are his defender. What do you make of this pretty, I would say, heavy-duty proof that they were talking in code and that, as prosecutors say, he lied to the judge about how much money he had?

FRANK TAAFFE, FORMER NEIGHBOR OF GEORGE ZIMMERMAN: Well, hello, Jane, and think you for having me back on your show.

To answer that question, I didn`t know that -- I heard that they were speaking in code. No, I -- George has never lied to me. And it`s a mistake. Mr. O`Mara clarified it for him. And we have to go according to what Mr. O`Mara is speaking for his client now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s go at another jailhouse conversation between George Zimmerman and his wife, this one just four days before that absolutely crucial April hearing where George argued through his attorney that he was flat broke.

George: "If the bond is more than 15, pay the 15. If more than 15, pay 10 percent to the bondsman."

Wife: "You don`t want me to pay 100?"

George: "I don`t know."

Wife: "All right. Just think about it."

George: "I will."

Wife: "That`s what it`s for."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Daryl Parks, Martin family attorney, as well, out of Atlanta, how can they argue that they didn`t really think the money was theirs, because it was being raised for the defense when they are caught on tape discussing whether to use the money?

DARYL PARKS, ATTORNEY FOR TRAYVON MARTIN`S FAMILY: I can`t think they can, Jane. I think that, given what we know and what happened in court there, will tell you the prosecutors clearly saw that knew they had the money and they had other intentions.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now listen, when I look at this, I always put my shrink hat on. Michelle Suskauer, you`re a criminal defense attorney and you`ve been known to defend George Zimmerman.

To me, this is part of his psychological dysfunction. We all know he was a cop wannabe. And some would say that he was playing cop when he was walking around toting a gun that night, wondering who belonged, who didn`t belong, as if that was his role which it wasn`t.

And now I think we`re getting a glimpse into his mentality with this speaking in code. It strikes me as juvenile. It strikes me like now the game he`s playing is spy master. And I think it reflects on his lark of maturity.

MICHELLE SUSKAUER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It may reflect on that, but the court is -- the court obviously has expected a lot more and expected a lot of honesty.

But the court has to look at two things, Jane. The court has to look at whether or not Zimmerman is a flight risk and whether or not he is a danger to the community. And I think the court is probably going to address those two issues. And ultimately revisit whether or not he feels, because of that dishonesty, that George Zimmerman is a flight risk.

I think ultimately he is going to potentially set a much higher bond based on the change in financial circumstances and let him get out. Because he did, Jane -- he cooperated. He came and gave statements. And look, when the judge revoked his bond, he came back before the deadline.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonya Acker, attorney, you agree?

TONYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: No, I don`t, I think that there`s really a more disturbing narrative that comes out here. I don`t think that it`s really appropriate to give him credit for finally doing what the law requires.

The night that he killed Trayvon Martin, law enforcement officials told him to go home. He didn`t do that. He then went to court and was required under penalty of perjury, as was his wife, to be honest and truthful before the court. That is nothing -- there`s no exception in the law for lying to a judge because you`re afraid. There is no such thing.

And so he decided again to take the law into his own hands and come up with his own narrative of his finances. And whether or not he`s a flight risk really goes to what his resources are. And until we know what those resources are, you remember: there are a lot of people out there who are willing to give this guy some money, because they think it was heroic. So we`ve got to get to the bottom of that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Michelle.

SUSKAUER: You know, I -- this does not change the fact that this is someone who was -- who was tied to the community, who cooperated over and over again with law enforcement, who turned himself in when the court asked him to, who turned -- when law enforcement filed charges, and who turned himself in again.

So I think I agree. I think the court has to get to the bottom of what the finances are but then is going to set a higher bond and let him get out. Because he is entitled to a bond.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

O`MARA: The second passport, which they did not believe they still had, was found and turned over literally within a minute or an hour of him finding it. That came to me; I presented it to the court.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right so, this whole question of whether or not George Zimmerman is a flight risk, which he will obviously have to argue if they have another bond hearing that he is not. But they caught him on tape discussing a second passport with his wife.

George Zimmerman, "Do you know what? I think my passport is in that bag."

Wife: "I have one for you in the safety deposit box."

George Zimmerman: "OK, you hold on to that."

Wife: "For you."

So they`re going to have to figure out whether that conversation was an attempt to keep from the court the knowledge of a second passport or, as Mark O`Mara, Zimmerman`s attorney, Contends, "Oh, no, nothing to see here. He handed it in. "I accidentally held onto it for a while longer than I should have before handing it back to the court.

Let`s go to the phones. Hi, Christine.

CALLER: Yes, hi, Jane. I love your show.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

CALLER: You know, George Zimmerman has shown no, you know, compassion or truth for the law at all. From the beginning. If he had listened to the officers from the beginning and not gotten out of his car, this would never have happened.

I live in Florida where we have the law stand your ground. To me, that -- you know, he did not stand his ground. He went after this young man. To me his credibility is just shot. He lied. I believe everything that he said has been a lie. And now the money.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you make a very good point about credibility. I mean, Mark Nejame, criminal defense attorney, HLN legal analyst, Mark O`Mara, his attorney, wants another bond hearing. Well, Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Trayvon Martin`s family, one of them, he says, "We`re going to make sure that George Zimmerman and his wife are put on the stand and grilled." Couldn`t that be devastating for the defense?

MARK NEJAME, HLN LEGAL ANALYST: Absolutely. I am not in any way, shape or form convinced that having a second bond hearing serves Zimmerman well. Zimmerman already took the stand at his first bond hearing, which I (ph) didn`t agree with. And now to have another statement lined up could be devastating down the line.

And if the judge does give a bond, it`s going to be entirely within his discretion. You could end up losing that hearing very easily. The judge could easily conclude that storing $115,000 and not telling anybody about it, puts somebody at risk of flight.

So having a very good chance of losing the hearing or having a million-dollar bond or something along those lines granted. But then the cost being you get out for a few months, but you`ve got statements there that can be used forever more as you`re preparing for a trial of this magnitude. I`m not sure it`s not best just to sit in jail and wait it out and not put yourself at risk by not having those statements.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Tonya Acker, what`s interesting is that Mark O`Mara had said, shortly before this whole brouhaha over the bail being revoked, he said, "Well, you know what? We`ve waived speedy trial. This is going to take months. It`s not going to be until 2013 that this is probably going to go to trial."

Now if he`s stuck in jail, is he going to reevaluate that? Because now, his client is going to be possibly stuck in jail for all of those many months, maybe even years before we get to trial.

ACKER: That`s right, Jane, and I think that he may be stuck with that. And again, you know, remember: part of the reason that Zimmerman gave for this -- I`ll just be candid -- I`m sorry, I`ll be kind, this lack of candor to the court is that he was afraid that his life was in danger. You know, he`ll be very safe in jail. It`s very possible -- he`s in protective custody now.

Some might say that he`s safe never jail than he would be out on the streets. So if truly his concern is his safety, if that`s the reason that he lied to the court, then maybe he`ll be fine being in jail until he goes to trial.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Frank Taaffe, you`re his friend. Do you think he`s going to be cool with being in jail for however many months or years it takes?

TAAFFE: He`s not going to be stuck in jail. And I agree with Mark Nejame totally. I have a problem with this credibility issue. What I have a problem with is that Mr. Crump has been throwing this credibility issue out there. And I don`t know how many times he`s punched people in the nose with that one.

But I`ve got a real problem with Deedee (ph). Because Deedee (ph) gives the farm away. At 9 minutes and 40 seconds, with her testimony to the state attorney, she asked Trayvon to run. Trayvon says, "I`m not going to run."

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SYBRINA FULTON, MOTHER OF TRAYVON MARTIN: Our son is your son. And I want you to guys to stand up for justice and stand up for what`s right.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Because of the emotion and many other factors, many are comparing this case to Casey Anthony. And that case had a slew of jailhouse tapes which came out during the trial, like this one.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CASEY ANTHONY, ACQUITTED OF MURDER: Could someone -- come on!

CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY`S MOTHER: Casey, come on, sweetheart. Settle down, honey.

CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody`s letting me speak. You want me to talk, then...

CINDY ANTHONY: All right. I`ll listen.

CASEY ANTHONY: ... give me three seconds to say something. I`m not in control over any of this, because I don`t know what the hell`s going on.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Even Casey Anthony knew the tapes could be used against her. I mean, George Zimmerman was a cop wannabe. You`ve got to wonder how he could make such an amateur mistake to think he could talk in code in jail and nobody would catch him.

Even Casey Anthony didn`t make that mistake. She was very, very clever in telling her parents: "Don`t say this, don`t say that, don`t say anything."

Mark Nejame -- Frank Taaffe, George Zimmerman`s defender, or so both of you, said, "Oh, I agree entirely with Mark Nejame. George Zimmerman should be let out on bail," but you don`t agree with Frank Taaffe.

NEJAME: Yes, I was a little confused with that. I think that it behooves Mr. Zimmerman to stay in jail, rather than subject himself to cross-examination at the time of a bond hearing.

He`s already made one statement at his earlier bond hearing. He`s given several statements, apparently, to law enforcement. And he`s going to be literally in the fight of his life at the time of trial. I don`t see a benefit on a cost-benefit basis to letting him out of jail.

But...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Frank.

NEJAME: And if there is a bond, it`s going to be an outrageous, a billion dollars or so, I would imagine. So I don`t understand why he would want to get out of jail.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, I hear you Mark -- Frank.

TAAFFE: I agree in part with Mark. You ask me, should he get out of jail? Yes. But you know, once again Mark is sharing his legal expertise as to, you know, it could be quite devastating to George. And of course we`re looking out for his best interests. And of course, that`s why he has Mr. O`Mara as his legal expert defending him.

I just wanted to share that, even if it is a million dollars, you know, 10 percent of that is 100,000. And we know he has at least 100,000. So if Judge Lester does allow him another bond, and it is a million dollars, it satisfies both teams.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Tonya Acker, your response to that -- Tonya?

ACKER: I think that he clearly has 10 percent of a million dollars. I mean, that`s one of the things that he allegedly misrepresented to the court.

And just really quickly, Jane, I want to go back to -- I think it`s Frank`s point about how he gave the farm away, because Trayvon didn`t run. The last I heard, unarmed people who are abiding by the law in the United States of America don`t have to run from people who are pursuing them when the law enforcement officials have already told those pursuers to stand down.

So I think it`s really interesting in this case how we`ve sort of flipped notions of justice and liberty on their head. We really have.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

O`MARA: If deception was their intent, why did they disclose it to me the first day that it was discussed?

CRUMP: A lie is a lie and that`s what the court has to determine.

O`MARA: I don`t think they believed that they had free access to that money, and I think that was evident by the way they used it and didn`t use it.

CRUMP: His credibility is the main thing here, because it is only his version of the facts that say Trayvon Martin attacked him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight George Zimmerman is back behind bars. The prosecution said this guy lied. We`re going to show you some video of him turning himself in yesterday. This is video of him when he was at court being actually the first time we saw him in court. This is video of him turning himself in last night. You see he`s put on some weight there. His hands locked behind him.

The question is, will he get out on bail again? His attorney wants another bond hearing, where he can argue, "Oh, judge, it was all a big misunderstanding. He didn`t really lie. Let him out of jail." Trayvon Martin`s family says not so fast.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CRUMP: If Attorney O`Mara files the motion, then the stage is set for George Zimmerman and his wife to have to take the witness stand and attempt to explain what the state attorney was blatant lies to the court.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Recently, these photos of George Zimmerman, his apparently broken nose and his bloody head came out. A lot of people thought, wow, the defense was gaining speed and had the momentum.

But now, it is evident that George Zimmerman was speaking in code with his wife when he was in jail the last time. You`ve got to wonder if that could be a debacle for the defense, especially if they decide, "Yes, we will have another bond hearing" and Zimmerman is taken to the stand and grilled by prosecutors about whether or not he was lying.

Daryl Parks, Martin family attorney, do you think if there is another bond hearing, your side will get its way and George Zimmerman and his wife will have to take the stand?

PARKS: We feel very strongly that the only way they can explain what happened here is for the both of them to take the stand and explain the conduct that the prosecution has alleged against them.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, what about Frank Taaffe`s comment that well -- I assume he was talking about Trayvon Martin`s girlfriend who was on a cell phone talking to Trayvon shortly before he was gunned down by George Zimmerman, what about Frank Taaffe`s comment that "she gave away the farm" -- I`m not sure exactly what that means -- because she revealed allegedly, purportedly -- I don`t know, but this is what Frank`s claiming -- that Trayvon said "I`m not going to run."

PARKS: I think Mr. Taaffe has it totally wrong. It`s rather clear here that we have the phone records to corroborate what the young lady says and her statement to the prosecutors that clearly lays out what happened in the last few minutes of Trayvon`s life. So I don`t think she`s totally on point and will be a great witness for the prosecution in this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Frank, your response?

TAAFFE: Witness for the defense. She`s going to be a great witness for the defense. Because, you know, she lays down the smoking pipe, if that`s what you want to call it. Because it`s exactly 110 yards and I heard it and so did a lot of my other colleagues. They heard her say "Trayvon, why don`t you run." He says "I`m not going to do that." "Why?" "Because I`m next to my daddy`s house." I wish you would review that, Daryl.

He has no duty to run.

(CROSSTALK)

PARKS: No duty to run, whatsoever. He`s free to go wherever he wants to do and that`s what he was doing.

TAAFFE: Daryl he had no duty to run because he was already next to his dad`s house. If he had to go home, all he had to do was open the door. It`s 110 yards from his dad`s porch --

PARKS: Well, let`s remember something here.

TAAFFE: I`ve walked it. It`s 30 yards from where George parked to where the shooting took place and it`s 110 yards from that spot to the back of his house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, wait a second. Hold on a second.

Are you trying to suggest that that`s proof that Trayvon Martin turned around and went after -- I`m trying to figure out what your point is?

TAAFFE: Absolutely. Unequivocally yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Daryl? Daryl?

PARKS: Jane, that makes no sense. Seriously the evidence --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hold on. One at a time -- one at a time. It`s Daryl`s turn.

PARKS: The evidence is rather clear. I mean it`s clear as it can be.

TAAFFE: That evidence supports the --

PARKS: No sir, I`m sorry. It`s rather clear George gets out of the car, he`s talking on there with the dispatcher. He`s walking behind Trayvon. Trayvon`s on the phone. The phone record clearly lays it out. They get between the buildings. Various witnesses see them.

So Taaffe, I`m sorry, I`m so sorry.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Michelle Suskauer, you`re a criminal defense attorney out of Palm Beach, Florida. You see the intensity of this case and now we have the real George Zimmerman.com. That raised $135,000 in donations within a few weeks of going up. That site`s been taken down.

Now there`s a new site where his defense team is actually putting out news releases while at the same time asking for donations. And I was studying this Web site today and some reports claim a ton of money is starting to pour in again. A, could George Zimmerman become some sort of millionaire and B, is it appropriate for a defense team in a criminal case to be issuing news releases and raising money on the same site, Michelle?

MICHELLE SUSKAUER, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Again, there`s spin that`s going out on both sides, on all sides. There`s no gag order, so -- and there`s been so much PR damage that was done to George Zimmerman from the get-go, from the very beginning, from the top all the way down.

So I don`t think that there`s anything wrong with that unless or until the judge puts a stop to it and there is says no more. You know, Jane, there`s free speech in this country.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natalie, I want to get your response; Natalie Jackson, Martin family attorney.

NATALIE JACKSON, MARTIN FAMILY ATTORNEY: We were talking about this - - we should be talking about the law. I want to say that one thing that I don`t think is made clear, is that George Zimmerman he has a non-bondable offense. So when we`re talking about the bond -- he`s not entitled to a bond like other offenses.

And if we`re talking about raising funds or whatever, that`s perfectly up to the people who want to donate to George Zimmerman. However we have to be responsible in the messages that we are sending.

You know, the messages that are coming out, that are coming from people who are talking about this, including everyone in this case is that you`re justified in pursuing and killing a teenager who`s doing nothing wrong because he scared you. And if you shoot him, make sure to shoot and kill him so he can`t tell his story. And now it`s excusable to lie to a court if you`re scared and you`re mistrustful.

Those are not the things we should be talking about when we talk about our legal system and what is happening in our legal system.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we have to leave it right there.

Thank you, fantastic panel.
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« Reply #425 on: June 05, 2012, 03:16:06 PM »

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/6-1%20supplemental%20discovery.pdf

Hat Tip to JusticeQuest.net

They were discussing how many Jail House, phone calls, GZ made. 

One day he made 133 calls, please correct me, if I am mistaken.

Hi seahorse, according to court records just posted those calls were made during one week.

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« Reply #426 on: June 05, 2012, 04:53:15 PM »

Orlando police release Zimmerman lawyer call to report death threat

By Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel
 
12:22 p.m. EDT, June 5, 2012
In a call released by police on Tuesday, George Zimmerman's lawyer Mark O'Mara calmly describes a profanity laced death threat made to his Orlando office last month.

"We've just gotten a threatening phone call," O'Mara said. He told an Orlando police dispatcher that the caller cursed at him and told him "you're gonna die... and things like that."

"There's just been a little bit of an uptick in some of the veiled threats on the internet and this one got right to us," he says, explaining the call came from a blocked number.

O'Mara tells the dispatcher Orlando Police Chief Paul Rooney had said the lawyer could call him directly to report any threats, but "I don't really want to bother him."  ::snipping2::

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-george-zimmerman-omara-death-threat-20120605,0,7891461.story

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« Reply #427 on: June 05, 2012, 06:26:07 PM »

Why does the media and talking heads keep saying Zimmerman and his wife had $135,000?  They raised $204,000 and, according to O'Mara, they used $40-50,000.  That leaves $155,000.  Where is this $20,000 discrepancy?

His wife even states (in code while on the phone with a jailed Zimmerman) 155, NOT 135.  Speaking in code is a clear indication of intentional misleading.  Were there a question of whether or not the money was their's they would have sought advice from O'Mara on the matter and not lied to the judge about it.  They were trying to hoard the money and keep it under wraps.  They not only lied about the money but also the passport.  I believe it was in the back of their minds to skip town but they realized how stupid that would be and they would not get away with it so eventually they decided to inform O'Mara of the truth.

I struggle to understand how so many people are defending this guy.  He has a history of violence, he's been dishonest with the court, he pursued a teenage boy while armed and in spite of being told not, then he murdered him.  Then he had his judicial daddy come to the police station and talk his way out of an investigation. 

Everyone is so focused on Trayvon that they're giving one pass after another for his murderer.  I can't shake this feeling of disbelief in all that has gone on with this case. 
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One other thing... just because Zimmerman has death threats against him doesn't make him any less guilty. 

LE should set an example and arrest anyone who has issued threats but we all need to keep in mind that these threats are a seperate issue from the murder of Trayvon.
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« Reply #429 on: June 05, 2012, 07:11:30 PM »

Zimmerman Prosecutor Also Deceived Court
Tuesday, 05 Jun 2012 05:54 PM

By Alan Dershowitz

Alan M. Dershowitz’s Perspective: State Attorney Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case, recently called the Dean of Harvard Law School to complain about my criticism of some of her actions.

She was transferred to the Office of Communications and proceeded to engage in a 40-minute rant, during which she threatened to sue Harvard Law School, to try to get me disciplined by the Bar Association and to file charges against me for libel and slander.

She said that because I work for Harvard and am identified as a professor she had the right to sue Harvard.

When the communications official explained to her that I have a right to express my opinion as “a matter of academic freedom,” and that Harvard has no control over what I say, she did not seem to understand.

She persisted in her nonstop whining, claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility — without mentioning that she has repeatedly held her own press conferences and made public statements throughout her career.

Her beef was that I criticized her for filing a misleading affidavit that willfully omitted all information about the injuries Zimmerman had sustained during the “struggle” it described. She denied that she had any obligation to include in the affidavit truthful material that was favorable to the defense.

She insisted that she is entitled to submit what, in effect, were half truths in an affidavit of probable cause, so long as she subsequently provides the defense with exculpatory evidence.

She should go back to law school, where she will learn that it is never appropriate to submit an affidavit that contains a half truth, because a half truth is regarded by the law as a lie, and anyone who submits an affidavit swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Before she submitted the probable cause affidavit, Corey was fully aware that Zimmerman had sustained serious injuries to the front and back of his head. The affidavit said that her investigators “reviewed” reports, statements and “photographs” that purportedly “detail[ed] the following.”

It then went on to describe “the struggle,” but it deliberately omitted all references to Zimmerman’s injuries which were clearly visible in the photographs she and her investigators reviewed.

That is Hamlet without the Prince!

The judge deciding whether there is probable cause to charge the defendant with second degree murder should not have been kept in the dark about physical evidence that is so critical to determining whether a homicide occurred, and if so, a homicide of what degree. By omitting this crucial evidence, Corey deliberately misled the court.

Corey seems to believe that our criminal justice system is like a poker game in which the prosecution is entitled to show its cards only after the judge has decided to charge the defendant with second degree murder.

That’s not the way the system is supposed to work and that’s not the way prosecutors are supposed to act. That a prosecutor would hide behind the claim that she did not have an obligation to tell the whole truth until after the judge ruled on probable cause displays a kind of gamesmanship in which prosecutors should not engage.

The prisons, both in Florida and throughout the United States, are filled with felons who submitted sworn statements that contained misleading half truths. Corey herself has probably prosecuted such cases.

Ironically, Corey has now succeeded in putting Zimmerman back in prison for a comparably misleading omission in his testimony. His failure to disclose money received from a PayPal account requesting donations for his legal defense made his testimony misleadingly incomplete.

In her motion to revoke his bail, Corey argued that Zimmerman “intentionally deceived the court” by making “false representations.” The same can be said about prosecutor Corey. She too misled and deceived the court by submitting an affidavit that relied on a review of photographs and other reports that showed injuries to Zimmerman, without disclosing the existence of these highly relevant injuries.

Even if Angela Corey’s actions were debatable, which I believe they were not, I certainly have the right, as a professor who has taught and practiced criminal law nearly 50 years, to express a contrary view. The idea that a prosecutor would threaten to sue someone who disagrees with her for libel and slander, to sue the university for which he works, and to try to get him disbarred, is the epitome of unprofessionalism.   ::snipping2:: 


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« Reply #430 on: June 05, 2012, 07:25:31 PM »

Local attorneys weigh in on Zimmerman case
Published: Tuesday, June 05, 2012

During a hearing last week, the Florida judge in the Zimmerman case said he believed Zimmerman and his wife lied to the court in April about their finances to obtain a lower bond.

Zimmerman’s $150,000 bond was revoked. He surrendered to authorities Sunday and is now in jail.

Jeffrey Swartz, an attorney and former Miami-Dade County judge who will teach courses this fall at Cooley Law School’s campus in Florida, is closely following the Zimmerman case. He said in Florida, people who are not entitled to bond as a matter of right have what’s known as an Arthur hearing to determine whether bond should be set. One part of the test is: Is the proof evident and the presumption great of the defendant’s guilt of the charges? The court also has the discretion to grant a bond. 

  ::snipping2::  Prosecutors said Zimmerman and his wife told the judge that they had limited money, even though he had raised about $135,000 through a website set up for his legal defense. They suggested more has been collected since and then deposited in a bank account.

According to the Associated Press, Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Mark O’Mara, said his client was confused and fearful when he and his wife misled court officials about their finances during the April bond hearing that allowed him to be released from jail

“The state alleged he failed to disclose his defense fund,” Swartz said. “My understanding is that (the defense’s) explanation simply is this was not Mr. Zimmerman’s money to spend, that this was a defense fund to pay for legal counsel and his costs for defending himself, and therefore he did not consider it an asset that he had to disclose.”   

Swartz said there were no substantial changes in circumstances from Zimmerman’s first bond hearing to the most recent hearing that would have necessitated his bond being revoked. He said Zimmerman was no more of a flight risk than he was at the earlier hearing, and that nothing indicated that the bond amount was insufficient to secure his presence in court.  ::snipping2:: 

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2012/06/05/news/local_news/doc4fce8b9f78079346919466.txt?viewmode=3
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« Reply #431 on: June 05, 2012, 07:54:19 PM »

One other thing... just because Zimmerman has death threats against him doesn't make him any less guilty

LE should set an example and arrest anyone who has issued threats but we all need to keep in mind that these threats are a seperate issue from the murder of Trayvon.

BBM.. last time i checked, he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.  just because others don't agree with your opinion on this case doesn't mean we are all in the wrong, which is how your previous post before this one came across to be honest.  everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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« Reply #432 on: June 05, 2012, 07:56:13 PM »

Zimmerman Prosecutor Also Deceived Court
Tuesday, 05 Jun 2012 05:54 PM

By Alan Dershowitz

Alan M. Dershowitz’s Perspective: State Attorney Angela Corey, the prosecutor in the George Zimmerman case, recently called the Dean of Harvard Law School to complain about my criticism of some of her actions.

She was transferred to the Office of Communications and proceeded to engage in a 40-minute rant, during which she threatened to sue Harvard Law School, to try to get me disciplined by the Bar Association and to file charges against me for libel and slander.

She said that because I work for Harvard and am identified as a professor she had the right to sue Harvard.

When the communications official explained to her that I have a right to express my opinion as “a matter of academic freedom,” and that Harvard has no control over what I say, she did not seem to understand.

She persisted in her nonstop whining, claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility — without mentioning that she has repeatedly held her own press conferences and made public statements throughout her career. Her beef was that I criticized her for filing a misleading affidavit that willfully omitted all information about the injuries Zimmerman had sustained during the “struggle” it described. She denied that she had any obligation to include in the affidavit truthful material that was favorable to the defense.

She insisted that she is entitled to submit what, in effect, were half truths in an affidavit of probable cause, so long as she subsequently provides the defense with exculpatory evidence.

She should go back to law school, where she will learn that it is never appropriate to submit an affidavit that contains a half truth, because a half truth is regarded by the law as a lie, and anyone who submits an affidavit swears to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Before she submitted the probable cause affidavit, Corey was fully aware that Zimmerman had sustained serious injuries to the front and back of his head. The affidavit said that her investigators “reviewed” reports, statements and “photographs” that purportedly “detail[ed] the following.”

It then went on to describe “the struggle,” but it deliberately omitted all references to Zimmerman’s injuries which were clearly visible in the photographs she and her investigators reviewed.

That is Hamlet without the Prince!

The judge deciding whether there is probable cause to charge the defendant with second degree murder should not have been kept in the dark about physical evidence that is so critical to determining whether a homicide occurred, and if so, a homicide of what degree. By omitting this crucial evidence, Corey deliberately misled the court.

Corey seems to believe that our criminal justice system is like a poker game in which the prosecution is entitled to show its cards only after the judge has decided to charge the defendant with second degree murder.

That’s not the way the system is supposed to work and that’s not the way prosecutors are supposed to act. That a prosecutor would hide behind the claim that she did not have an obligation to tell the whole truth until after the judge ruled on probable cause displays a kind of gamesmanship in which prosecutors should not engage.

The prisons, both in Florida and throughout the United States, are filled with felons who submitted sworn statements that contained misleading half truths. Corey herself has probably prosecuted such cases.

Ironically, Corey has now succeeded in putting Zimmerman back in prison for a comparably misleading omission in his testimony. His failure to disclose money received from a PayPal account requesting donations for his legal defense made his testimony misleadingly incomplete.

In her motion to revoke his bail, Corey argued that Zimmerman “intentionally deceived the court” by making “false representations.” The same can be said about prosecutor Corey. She too misled and deceived the court by submitting an affidavit that relied on a review of photographs and other reports that showed injuries to Zimmerman, without disclosing the existence of these highly relevant injuries.

Even if Angela Corey’s actions were debatable, which I believe they were not, I certainly have the right, as a professor who has taught and practiced criminal law nearly 50 years, to express a contrary view. The idea that a prosecutor would threaten to sue someone who disagrees with her for libel and slander, to sue the university for which he works, and to try to get him disbarred, is the epitome of unprofessionalism.   ::snipping2:: 


Read more on Newsmax.com: Zimmerman Prosecutor Also Deceived Court
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Once again, thanks for the link, Toler.

I completely disagree with the professor.  Corey's affidavit outlined the facts of the case without offering all the details.  If there  are details the defense attorney deems important to is client's case then he has an opportunity to outline that for the court. 

This professor has been in the media and writing blogs smearing Corey's name all over the place knowing that in her professional capacity she is hindered from defending herself on a professional level.  The article above clearly shows his biased and slanted opinion on the matter.

He accuses her of whining and of not seeming to understand a conversation she had on the phone with someone else which he was not in attendance for.  Isn't this hearsay?  He got this information second hand, how does he know she was 'whining'?  How does he know she had 'lack of understanding'?  These seem to be intentional word choices to further smear Corey's name.

Angela Corey clearly outlined in her affidavit that a struggle took place.  That was factual.  How and/or why should she then go into every detail outlining every piece of evidence?  Affidavits are usually quite general and often not lengthy at all, with the lesser details to be given orally while in front of the judge or by the opposing attorney.  It is Zimmerman's attorney's responsibility to record for the judge any details which will protect his client.

Corey ends the affidavit with these words: "The facts mentioned in this Affidavit are not a complete recitation of all the pertinent facts and evidence in this case but only are presented for a determination of probable cause for second degree murder."

Every practicing attorney could be accused of what Dershowitz is accusing Corey of and it is unrealistic to expect a full book of evidence presented to the judge in an affidavit.

He states she shold go back to law school?  What, are we in second grade here? 

BTW, I googled 'corey's affidavit against zimmerman' and the enitire first two pages were links to Dershowitz's rants against Corey.  Someone has an agenda.

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« Reply #433 on: June 05, 2012, 08:00:10 PM »

Oh, and the part about her holding her own press conferences: these press conferences Dershowitz speaks of are done as a professional activity and in response to her job as a prosecutor.  They are not to be used as an event to protect or defend her honor as an attorney.  It seems this Dershowitz guy is trying to egg her on to publicly respond to his attacks, then he rabidly attacks her for trying to keep it out of the public.  Basically, he's a bully.
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« Reply #434 on: June 05, 2012, 08:01:58 PM »

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She persisted in her nonstop whining, claiming that she is prohibited from responding to my attacks by the rules of professional responsibility — without mentioning that she has repeatedly held her own press conferences and made public statements throughout her career.

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« Reply #435 on: June 05, 2012, 08:16:31 PM »

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/20120605credibility_may_prove_key_in_george_zimmerman_case/srvc=home&position=recent

Credibility may prove key in George Zimmerman case
By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner / The Orlando Sentinel, Fla. (MCT)
 Tuesday, June 5, 2012

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ORLANDO, Fla. — It is clear from court and public records that George Zimmerman has sometimes been less than truthful.
 
After shooting Trayvon Martin in late February, he told Sanford police he didn’t have a criminal history. He did. Several weeks later, he told the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office he had never been in a pretrial-diversion program. That’s also untrue.

He contradicted himself on the witness stand in April, telling Martin’s family during an apology that he had thought their son was close to his age. On the night of the shooting, Zimmerman, 28, described the 17-year-old to police as in his “late teens.”
 
And now Zimmerman is back in jail because he sat silently as his wife, Shellie, testified — under oath — at his bond hearing in April that the couple were, essentially, flat broke. At the time, they had access to about $135,000, funds raised through a website he launched after he shot Martin.
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« Reply #436 on: June 05, 2012, 08:37:31 PM »

"Why does the media and talking heads keep saying Zimmerman and his wife had $135,000? They raised $204,000 and, according to O'Mara, they used $40-50,000. That leaves $155,000. Where is this $20,000 discrepancy?" QUOTE


Amy's sister...Not sure, but imagine because the amount was ever increasing. Probably was the $s at the time of the recorded call, by the time O'Mara got the fund it was a whole lot more. Goodness knows what it is now... 

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« Reply #437 on: June 05, 2012, 09:32:02 PM »

One other thing... just because Zimmerman has death threats against him doesn't make him any less guilty

LE should set an example and arrest anyone who has issued threats but we all need to keep in mind that these threats are a seperate issue from the murder of Trayvon.

BBM.. last time i checked, he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet.  just because others don't agree with your opinion on this case doesn't mean we are all in the wrong, which is how your previous post before this one came across to be honest.  everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Yes, I agree the "death threats against him doesn't make him any less guilty," it also doesn't make him guilty.  We don't even have the facts...we are just stating our opinions here.  We weren't there and really don't know what happened...but, I can tell you that this is a case that angers me unlike any other in regards to posting amongst one another. 
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I don't want to be the source of any discontent so I'm giving myself some space on this one and will try to post as little as possible.  No disrespect was intended toward anyone here and it wasn't personal.   

It is yet to be proven in court whether or not GZ is guilty of murder but he's done a host of other things which are more than questionable.  Lying to the court is so wrong! 

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« Reply #439 on: June 06, 2012, 07:51:06 AM »

I don't want to be the source of any discontent so I'm giving myself some space on this one and will try to post as little as possible.  No disrespect was intended toward anyone here and it wasn't personal.   

It is yet to be proven in court whether or not GZ is guilty of murder but he's done a host of other things which are more than questionable.  Lying to the court is so wrong! 

IMO.   

 









It is absolutely wrong to lie to the court...without a doubt.  I sure hope that my post didn't lead to you not posting as much.  It is good to read both sides...see different perspectives and such.  My post was meant to show the level of anger that this case has caused.  It is a very emotionally charged case.  On both sides. 
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