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« Reply #620 on: June 16, 2012, 01:30:08 AM »

Funny.  I remember waiting and waiting for files in the KC trial. 

It's like AC is throwing her evidence to the media saying, 'look at this'.  And all those FBI agents helping investigate the gun.  How many FBI agents are generally assigned to a missing person's case?  I don't remember a case that had at least 10 assigned.  Anyone?

 

I continue to feel that GZ will NOT receive a fair trial...and when I say fair...I guess I mean...treated like any other case. 
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« Reply #621 on: June 16, 2012, 12:19:58 PM »



Was Trayvow, technically, trespassing?  I am curious, if his father met him
at the gate, would TM, still be living?


Will you expound on this?  I'm having trouble understanding it.

Wasn't  TM staying at Tracy's GF house? Didn't he leave her unit to go to the store?  Weren't Tracy and the GF not at home when TM left to go to the store?

Hi Monkeys,

Jamcakes, Your are right, I am was not clear, sorry.
 

Did TM sneak through to the complex, coming or going? 

What is the procedure when a guest arrives at the Retreat at Twin Lakes?

Does a guest need to enter through the gate since it is a gated community?

I understand why GZ, would think TM was a culprit (which he was not).

I am trying to keep an open mind.

Someone should have asked Mr.Taffey about the guest procedures.

How does a guest/ friend, access the grounds, if invited to to a residence on "Retreat at twin Lakes"?

 I wished we could gain access to Retreat to Twin Lakes newsletters. Smile
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« Reply #622 on: June 16, 2012, 12:42:18 PM »

RTL Newsletter September 2011 FINAL

http://www.scribd.com/doc/69888406/RTL-Newsletter-September-2011-FINAL
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« Reply #623 on: June 16, 2012, 05:21:18 PM »


Thank-you, very much, Toler Smile

May we post you finding over at Muffy's Threads?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?board=142.0

 

I never heard of this tip before on the newsletter
 
Crime Prevention Tips


Permanently engrave your driver’s license number on two permanent parts of your property. This discourages theft and ensures that the police can identify and return your stolen property to you.•

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« Reply #624 on: June 16, 2012, 05:27:52 PM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1206/15/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Doctor Wanted for Murder Kills Himself
Aired June 15, 2012 - 19:00   ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


 ::snipping2::
Now, onto another major case: new developments in the case of George Zimmerman, the infamous shooter of Trayvon Martin. His attorney, Mark O`Meara confirms he`s gotten a second batch of discovery from prosecutors. The second treasure-trove of information contains a mountain of CDs, seven of them worth information and hundreds of pages of documents.

We`re hearing there are statements from dozens of witnesses plus additional reports from Sanford police and the FBI. Crime scenes, diagrams, photos, surveillance videos, 911 calls Zimmerman made before the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot dead; this, on the heels of the arrest of George Zimmerman`s wife Shellie for lying to the judge allegedly.

Matt Semino, you`re with the Huffington Post, you`re an attorney who`s followed this case. This massive, massive mountain of documents; we`re going to start hearing about them when? After 30 days?

MATT SEMINO, HUFFINGTON POST: Yes. The judge ruled on June 1st that once this information is released for discovery, there has to be this 30- day period where the defense gets to review this mountain of documentation, digest it before it`s released to the media.

And at the same time the judge also limited some information that can`t be exposed, such as witnesses` names, pictures of Trayvon Martin`s body -- witnesses` names until the trial starts. This is to protect the witnesses and also respect the privacy of the Martin family -- of Trayvon Martin`s family.

So it`s a very complicated issue with respect to all the discovery documentation and what we`re going to be able to see in the public and in the media.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the reports are that there are dozens and dozens of witnesses in these reports. But here`s the key. How many of them actually saw what happened on that rainy night? Those are some would say the only people who really count.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police, I just heard a shot right behind my house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He just said he shot him. Yes, the person is dead, laying on the grass.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And you`ve got the 911 calls he made. You`ve got the witnesses calling 911. They`re going to line all of this stuff up. We`ve got visual elements like this video of him being escorted in to police headquarters. You`ve got the still photos of him. Some of them look, well, like he`s fine. Others look like he`s bloodied.

And all of this is going to be dissected by the media before the trial starts because Florida has these open laws -- these sunshine laws.

SEMINO: And that`s what the lawyers for the media argued. And the public and the media have the right, in my opinion, to see this information, digest this information and make their own interpretation, Jane. That`s what the law in Florida calls for, open records -- open public records for the public to be able to digest this and see for themselves what they think.

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« Reply #625 on: June 17, 2012, 02:56:28 PM »

Fathers of slain teens Trayvon Martin and Ramarley Graham unite to protest NYPD's racial profiling
 Silent march to take place on Father's Day
June 16 '12

Two dads came together in Harlem on the eve of Father’s Day to share their grief over sons gunned down by men who were supposed to be protecting them.
 
The fathers of Trayvon Martin and Ramarley Graham embraced at a protest against the NYPD’s controversial stop-and-frisk program and racial profiling.
 
“It’s hard to imagine Father’s Day without Trayvon,” said Tracy Martin, whose 17-year-old unarmed son was fatally shot in February by Florida neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman, who suspected him of wrongdoing.
 
Frank Graham’s son was shot to death in his own Bronx home Feb. 2 by NYPD Officer Richard Haste who wrongly believed the 18-year-old had a gun.
 
“To me, my son was murdered,” Graham told the crowd at the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network headquarters in Harlem. “I lost my son to people we pay to protect us.”  ::snipping2:: 


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fathers-slain-teens-trayvon-martin-ramarley-graham-unite-protest-nypd-racial-profiling-article-1.1097000#ixzz1y4tkP3Ra

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« Reply #626 on: June 17, 2012, 06:06:11 PM »

Silent Stop-And-FriskMarch Carries Loud Message Down Fifth
June 17 '12

  ::snipping2::  Tracey Martin also talked about obtaining justice for his son's shooting death.

"If I stop marching, if I stop protesting, everything's going to come to a standstill. If this was your child, would you stop marching? Would you stop protesting?" Martin said.

"I will spend the rest of my life living for my son, cause my son could be your son, and your son will be my son," Graham said.

Investigators say Ramarley Graham was unarmed when he was shot to death inside his Bronx home.

Police Officer Richard Haste was arraigned on manslaughter charges in the case last week.

Trayvon Martin, 17, also was unarmed when he was gunned down in Florida.

Neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman has been charged with second degree murder in Martin's death.

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/163247/silent-stop-and-frisk-march-carries-loud-message-down-fifth

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« Reply #627 on: June 18, 2012, 12:18:56 AM »

Zimmerman and his wife should have thought about the repercussions of lying about the money that they had and they would not be in the mess they r in now, George back in jail, wife arrested and now in fear because her mug showed up in public . Who created the mess but George and his wife.
No one would be in the position that they are in now if George had stayed in his car that night and waited for the cops jmo.
What happened afterwards is anyone's guess but George's actions were what started all that transpired that night. If it turned into a stand your ground scenario, then it did, but it could have been a different outcome and George would be in jail and TM would not be dead.

Island Monkey...agree with your above post. Did not want to stack


  Hi Cookie- ITA with yours too, but I am almost sure that SYG is no longer a factor and now it is self defense....who know though, I wonder when or I should say IF the race crap is going to go away....oh, WTH am I thinkng it is an election year-maybe that is what Rye meant about a NG verdict being probematic in 2012. Disgusting and more will be caught in the cross fire of this crap (race baiting) to incite, pressure and instill fear in whomever sits on that jury to vote Guilty no matter what the evidence shows. 

So far, you and I are totally on the same page with most of our views concerning this case



Cookie,

I remember you wrote that your would be too afraid to lie under oath, Me, too! (paraphasing)

 SZ was fearless, not only fibbing, but shifting $ from different accounts.

I would be sweating and shaking in my shoes. How brazen, IMO.

I would say she was more fearless, than fearful, that is my opinion.

I agree Seahorse.  I also agree with you that GZ will get a fair trial.  He has a lot of the public's support because many people believe Trayvon was a criminal or somehow instigated the incident or deserved to be killed.

i think he was a thug but dont believe anyone deserves to be killed for that. I highly doubt there are many that just because they may support gz think that tm deserved to be killed.u might find some who are racist & think all blacks should be killed just like the nbp think all "crackers " should be "hung from the nearest tree". I think tm was a misguided kid most likely that had his parents put as much time & energy into steering him in a better direction as they have trying to profit off of his death & create race wars, he may still be here today. I support gz right to a fair trial but that in no way means i think he was right in his actions. I also think its sickening that he has been turned into a racist with zero proof of that.
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« Reply #628 on: June 18, 2012, 12:34:43 AM »

Polls: Public's opinions on Zimmerman shifting

By Rene Stutzman, Orlando Sentinel

10:06 p.m. EST, June 17, 2012

SANFORD — For weeks, the death of Trayvon Martin, the investigations it launched and the civil-rights rallies it spurred were the most important news stories in the country, according to pollsters.

At least six news organizations or polling companies did surveys. What they documented, in general, was that people were fascinated and outraged by the Feb. 26 death of the unarmed 17-year-old and angry at the shooter, Neighborhood Watch volunteer George Zimmerman.


Two sets of findings, though, stand out:

Although it was the No. 1 story in the country overall, twice as many blacks as whites singled it out as the country's most important story, according to the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press.

And as time has passed and more evidence has been released, people's feelings about Zimmerman have eased.

In late March, while people were still marching in the streets demanding his arrest, 33 percent of the country believed Zimmerman was guilty of murder, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports.

The same poll showed that fewer than half that number — 15 percent — believed Zimmerman had acted in self-defense.

Two months later, however, those numbers had flip-flopped. In a May 19-20 Rasmussen poll, 40 percent said they believed Zimmerman had acted in self-defense vs. 24 percent who called him a murderer.

"This, obviously, was a huge news story," said Scott Rasmussen, founder of Rasmussen Reports.

People's opinions about Zimmerman changed, said Kenny Irby, a faculty member at The Poynter Institute, a journalism think tank in St. Petersburg, because "people are modulating their opinions based on the staccatolike information that comes out."

And it will likely continue to shift, he said, as more bits and pieces come out.

Since those mid-May numbers were released, there have been major developments in the case: Zimmerman is back in jail because his wife, Shellie, lied under oath about the family's finances, Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. concluded.

On Tuesday, Shellie Zimmerman was arrested, and she was charged with perjury.

Those things, Irby said, will likely cause public opinion to shift again, this time against Zimmerman.

"One of the reasons that we track it over time," said Rasmussen, "is that in the heat of the moment people have a visceral reaction. Then they learn a little more about it and get away from the horror, sometimes those reactions change."

Early polls, the ones that reflect the most hostility toward Zimmerman, were conducted when news organizations relied heavily on outdated photos of both Trayvon and Zimmerman, Irby said. The Trayvon photos, released by his family through a public-relations professional, showed an adolescent boy — not a 17-year-old.

Those of Zimmerman were from a 2005 arrest when he was 65 pounds heavier.

The night he was shot, Trayvon was 5-feet-11, 158 pounds, according to his autopsy. Zimmerman is 5-feet-8, 185 pounds, according to his most recent arrest report.

Their respective sizes are important because witnesses told police they saw or heard Zimmerman and Trayvon in a fight. Zimmerman told police that Trayvon pinned him to the ground and was pounding his head on the sidewalk. The teen was returning from a local 7-Eleven with Skittles and an iced tea when the altercation with Zimmerman happened.


Since then, more-recent photos of Trayvon and Zimmerman have been published.

"I think the images bear out it's a pretty even battle, in terms of body size and mass," Irby said. "But you know, Skittles versus a gun, there's no fairness in that alignment."

 ::snipping2::

Every week, the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press conducts a survey asking people what news stories are most important to them.

In a poll completed April 1, 10 days before Zimmerman was arrested, Americans said Trayvon's shooting was. The week before, they gave the same answer.

"This story had so many elements that it just kept percolating for a while," said Michael Remez, a Pew spokesman, "questions of race … the adequacy of the police probe."

There also were questions about gun rights, Remez said, and the wisdom of Florida's "stand your ground" law, which allows people with a reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm to use deadly force without fear of arrest.

There was a stark difference, though, between how the story resonated with blacks and whites. In the April 1 survey, 58 percent of blacks identified the Trayvon/Zimmerman story as the country's most important vs. 24 percent for whites, Pew reported.

"Blacks in America are still very much aware of the prevalence of racism in American society," said Irby, "so the Martin case struck a major chord among African-American people and increasingly people of color in America."

They understand, in a way that whites do not, what racial profiling is and how dangerous it can be, he said.

"This was kind of clarion call that we need some change, some real change in regard to profiling," he said.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-17/news/os-george-zimmerman-polls-20120617_1_rasmussen-reports-rasmussen-poll-public-opinion
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« Reply #629 on: June 18, 2012, 10:46:23 AM »

https://www.facebook.com/GeorgeZimmermanLegalCase

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Release of Zimmerman Phone Calls From Jail
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Release of Zimmerman Phone Calls From Jail on 18 June 2012. The Court has received our motion for clarification regarding Mr. Zimmerman’s phone calls while in jail, and has agreed to consider the motion at the scheduled June 29 hearing. The motion addressed 145 ...
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« Reply #630 on: June 18, 2012, 12:54:40 PM »



Originally Posted by allia   
http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1581941

Bank statement;


http://www.scribd.com/jeweiner/d/97440251-George-Zimmerman-Bank-Statements

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« Reply #631 on: June 18, 2012, 12:55:11 PM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/jailhouse-calls-show-george-zimmerman-telling-wife-how-to-transfer-money-from-bank-accounts/2012/06/18/gJQANuXMlV_story.html

Jailhouse calls show George Zimmerman telling wife to buy bulletproof vests for them, attorney
Updated: Monday, June 18, 10:48 AM

ORLANDO, Fla. — The former neighborhood watch volunteer who killed Trayvon Martin told his wife to buy bulletproof vests for them and for his attorney, according to jailhouse calls released Monday.

 “As uncomfortable as it is, I want you wearing one,” George Zimmerman told his wife. Zimmerman was wearing a bulletproof vest when he left jail after posting bond. His attorney, Mark O’Mara, has reported receiving threats.

The calls, released by prosecutors, also detail how Zimmerman instructed his wife to transfer money from bank accounts and could play a crucial role in his second bond hearing next week.
 ::snipping2::
In one call, Zimmerman tells his wife and sister how to change a computer password at a credit union so they can move funds around.

In another call, Shellie Zimmerman told her husband that the website had crashed because of supporters leaving words of support, as well as donations.

 “Wow, that is awesome,” Zimmerman said. “Those people need to start vocalizing themselves.”
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« Reply #632 on: June 18, 2012, 12:58:49 PM »

Zimmerman and his wife should have thought about the repercussions of lying about the money that they had and they would not be in the mess they r in now, George back in jail, wife arrested and now in fear because her mug showed up in public . Who created the mess but George and his wife.
No one would be in the position that they are in now if George had stayed in his car that night and waited for the cops jmo.
What happened afterwards is anyone's guess but George's actions were what started all that transpired that night. If it turned into a stand your ground scenario, then it did, but it could have been a different outcome and George would be in jail and TM would not be dead.

Island Monkey...agree with your above post. Did not want to stack


  Hi Cookie- ITA with yours too, but I am almost sure that SYG is no longer a factor and now it is self defense....who know though, I wonder when or I should say IF the race crap is going to go away....oh, WTH am I thinkng it is an election year-maybe that is what Rye meant about a NG verdict being probematic in 2012. Disgusting and more will be caught in the cross fire of this crap (race baiting) to incite, pressure and instill fear in whomever sits on that jury to vote Guilty no matter what the evidence shows. 

So far, you and I are totally on the same page with most of our views concerning this case



Cookie,

I remember you wrote that your would be too afraid to lie under oath, Me, too! (paraphasing)

 SZ was fearless, not only fibbing, but shifting $ from different accounts.

I would be sweating and shaking in my shoes. How brazen, IMO.

I would say she was more fearless, than fearful, that is my opinion.

I agree Seahorse.  I also agree with you that GZ will get a fair trial.  He has a lot of the public's support because many people believe Trayvon was a criminal or somehow instigated the incident or deserved to be killed.

i think he was a thug but dont believe anyone deserves to be killed for that. I highly doubt there are many that just because they may support gz think that tm deserved to be killed.u might find some who are racist & think all blacks should be killed just like the nbp think all "crackers " should be "hung from the nearest tree". I think tm was a misguided kid most likely that had his parents put as much time & energy into steering him in a better direction as they have trying to profit off of his death & create race wars, he may still be here today. I support gz right to a fair trial but that in no way means i think he was right in his actions. I also think its sickening that he has been turned into a racist with zero proof of that.

Kcrn

Why do you think he was a "thug"?  He was no angel, that is for sure, but I would not call him a thug, either. Why is he a thug in your eyes?  TIA

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« Reply #633 on: June 18, 2012, 01:33:29 PM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/jailhouse-calls-show-george-zimmerman-telling-wife-how-to-transfer-money-from-bank-accounts/2012/06/18/gJQANuXMlV_story.html

Jailhouse calls show George Zimmerman telling wife to buy bulletproof vests for them, attorney
Updated: Monday, June 18, 10:48 AM

ORLANDO, Fla. — The former neighborhood watch volunteer who killed Trayvon Martin told his wife to buy bulletproof vests for them and for his attorney, according to jailhouse calls released Monday.

 “As uncomfortable as it is, I want you wearing one,” George Zimmerman told his wife. Zimmerman was wearing a bulletproof vest when he left jail after posting bond. His attorney, Mark O’Mara, has reported receiving threats.

The calls, released by prosecutors, also detail how Zimmerman instructed his wife to transfer money from bank accounts and could play a crucial role in his second bond hearing next week.
 ::snipping2::
In one call, Zimmerman tells his wife and sister how to change a computer password at a credit union so they can move funds around.

In another call, Shellie Zimmerman told her husband that the website had crashed because of supporters leaving words of support, as well as donations.

 “Wow, that is awesome,” Zimmerman said. “Those people need to start vocalizing themselves.”


I don't see anything wrong in G telling his wife to buy some bullet proof vests, especially after the public threats they received,i.e, the New Black Panthers.

I also understand him telling his wife how to access his bank accounts via passwords. I see that whether he was in jail or in the hospital.

I could also conceivably see him telling her to transfer funds, especially if she needed money.

He probably knew their bank accounts were being scrutinized.

Those seem logical, imo.

The question should be, did he tell her to lie about it?  Did he lie about it?  Did he expect her to lie about it?
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« Reply #634 on: June 18, 2012, 01:37:52 PM »

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/jailhouse-calls-show-george-zimmerman-telling-wife-how-to-transfer-money-from-bank-accounts/2012/06/18/gJQANuXMlV_story.html

Jailhouse calls show George Zimmerman telling wife to buy bulletproof vests for them, attorney
Updated: Monday, June 18, 10:48 AM

ORLANDO, Fla. — The former neighborhood watch volunteer who killed Trayvon Martin told his wife to buy bulletproof vests for them and for his attorney, according to jailhouse calls released Monday.

 “As uncomfortable as it is, I want you wearing one,” George Zimmerman told his wife. Zimmerman was wearing a bulletproof vest when he left jail after posting bond. His attorney, Mark O’Mara, has reported receiving threats.

The calls, released by prosecutors, also detail how Zimmerman instructed his wife to transfer money from bank accounts and could play a crucial role in his second bond hearing next week.
 ::snipping2::
In one call, Zimmerman tells his wife and sister how to change a computer password at a credit union so they can move funds around.

In another call, Shellie Zimmerman told her husband that the website had crashed because of supporters leaving words of support, as well as donations.

 “Wow, that is awesome,” Zimmerman said. “Those people need to start vocalizing themselves.”


I don't see anything wrong in G telling his wife to buy some bullet proof vests, especially after the public threats they received,i.e, the New Black Panthers.

I also understand him telling his wife how to access his bank accounts via passwords. I see that whether he was in jail or in the hospital.

I could also conceivably see him telling her to transfer funds, especially if she needed money.

He probably knew their bank accounts were being scrutinized.

Those seem logical, imo.

The question should be, did he tell her to lie about it?  Did he lie about it?  Did he expect her to lie about it?
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« Reply #635 on: June 18, 2012, 02:45:02 PM »

Zimmerman and his wife should have thought about the repercussions of lying about the money that they had and they would not be in the mess they r in now, George back in jail, wife arrested and now in fear because her mug showed up in public . Who created the mess but George and his wife.
No one would be in the position that they are in now if George had stayed in his car that night and waited for the cops jmo.
What happened afterwards is anyone's guess but George's actions were what started all that transpired that night. If it turned into a stand your ground scenario, then it did, but it could have been a different outcome and George would be in jail and TM would not be dead.

Island Monkey...agree with your above post. Did not want to stack


  Hi Cookie- ITA with yours too, but I am almost sure that SYG is no longer a factor and now it is self defense....who know though, I wonder when or I should say IF the race crap is going to go away....oh, WTH am I thinkng it is an election year-maybe that is what Rye meant about a NG verdict being probematic in 2012. Disgusting and more will be caught in the cross fire of this crap (race baiting) to incite, pressure and instill fear in whomever sits on that jury to vote Guilty no matter what the evidence shows. 

So far, you and I are totally on the same page with most of our views concerning this case



Cookie,

I remember you wrote that your would be too afraid to lie under oath, Me, too! (paraphasing)

 SZ was fearless, not only fibbing, but shifting $ from different accounts.

I would be sweating and shaking in my shoes. How brazen, IMO.

I would say she was more fearless, than fearful, that is my opinion.

I agree Seahorse.  I also agree with you that GZ will get a fair trial.  He has a lot of the public's support because many people believe Trayvon was a criminal or somehow instigated the incident or deserved to be killed.

i think he was a thug but dont believe anyone deserves to be killed for that. I highly doubt there are many that just because they may support gz think that tm deserved to be killed.u might find some who are racist & think all blacks should be killed just like the nbp think all "crackers " should be "hung from the nearest tree". I think tm was a misguided kid most likely that had his parents put as much time & energy into steering him in a better direction as they have trying to profit off of his death & create race wars, he may still be here today. I support gz right to a fair trial but that in no way means i think he was right in his actions. I also think its sickening that he has been turned into a racist with zero proof of that.

Kcrn

Why do you think he was a "thug"?  He was no angel, that is for sure, but I would not call him a thug, either. Why is he a thug in your eyes?  TIA



maybe i should rephrase it. Thug maybe implies he was some kind of gangbager or something more. I just feel that he was portrayed as some innocent kid just minding his own business & in life was just your typical teenage kid. If the things that came out about him using drugs, having burglary tools in his pisession & fighting for sport are true, i would call him a troubled kid. If my own child was doing those things i would think the same. I think he was probably a product of his environment & that surely is not his fault. He was a kid that had a lifetime to change, grow, mature,etc. I find it tragic that he didnt have that chance. However, it angers me that this was made into a race thing. Theres no proof of that. I think this same scenario would have played out with a white or hispanic kid. I think its very liky that tm was upset that he was beibg followed & questioned avout why he was there & engaged in a verbal & pgysical confrontation with gz. I think theres no way gz could know whether he was armed or not & vice versa. I think gz should have left the chase up to police & stayed in his vehicle. I just refuse to believe that gz was out to kill a black kid that night & i doubt profiling is why this happened. Tm fit the description of burglary suspects in that neighborhood period. If the previous suspects had been young hispanics or young whites. In hoodies the scenario could have played out the same. Gz was doing a job he was appointed to & took it a little more seriously than he should have. Hes guilty of being an idiot imo but not of hunting down some innocent black kid for racial motives. 2nd degree murder is ridiculous. I also think that if this had been a white kid we would know nothing about it. Accusations of rampant racism by whites agaibt blacks is what angers me so much. We have a black president for crying out loud. How racist can this country be as a whole? I know several white people who voted for him because of his political views & i also know some blacks who voted for him & know nothing of his political views. They just know hes black. I refuse to bow down to any race as i think people are people regardless of color. There are good & bad PEOPLE period. I work in a hospital with a very diverse employee population & i think what u make of your life is your choosing. I think the days of holding the black man down have been over for some time. I dont think any race deserves any more preferential treatment than another & frankly am tired of our country being run that way. The poverty stricken white youth should have the same opportunities as a minority. Poverty is not a minority problem. Its a problem period & all kids from bad circumstances should have the same opportunities. Am i making sense at all? I just get tired of reverse racism. People are people. There will always be people who are racist and closed minded. I think the idea that its always black that get the discrimination is crap. All my opinion.
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« Reply #636 on: June 18, 2012, 04:38:13 PM »

Zimmerman and his wife should have thought about the repercussions of lying about the money that they had and they would not be in the mess they r in now, George back in jail, wife arrested and now in fear because her mug showed up in public . Who created the mess but George and his wife.
No one would be in the position that they are in now if George had stayed in his car that night and waited for the cops jmo.
What happened afterwards is anyone's guess but George's actions were what started all that transpired that night. If it turned into a stand your ground scenario, then it did, but it could have been a different outcome and George would be in jail and TM would not be dead.

Island Monkey...agree with your above post. Did not want to stack


  Hi Cookie- ITA with yours too, but I am almost sure that SYG is no longer a factor and now it is self defense....who know though, I wonder when or I should say IF the race crap is going to go away....oh, WTH am I thinkng it is an election year-maybe that is what Rye meant about a NG verdict being probematic in 2012. Disgusting and more will be caught in the cross fire of this crap (race baiting) to incite, pressure and instill fear in whomever sits on that jury to vote Guilty no matter what the evidence shows. 

So far, you and I are totally on the same page with most of our views concerning this case



Cookie,

I remember you wrote that your would be too afraid to lie under oath, Me, too! (paraphasing)

 SZ was fearless, not only fibbing, but shifting $ from different accounts.

I would be sweating and shaking in my shoes. How brazen, IMO.

I would say she was more fearless, than fearful, that is my opinion.

I agree Seahorse.  I also agree with you that GZ will get a fair trial.  He has a lot of the public's support because many people believe Trayvon was a criminal or somehow instigated the incident or deserved to be killed.

i think he was a thug but dont believe anyone deserves to be killed for that. I highly doubt there are many that just because they may support gz think that tm deserved to be killed.u might find some who are racist & think all blacks should be killed just like the nbp think all "crackers " should be "hung from the nearest tree". I think tm was a misguided kid most likely that had his parents put as much time & energy into steering him in a better direction as they have trying to profit off of his death & create race wars, he may still be here today. I support gz right to a fair trial but that in no way means i think he was right in his actions. I also think its sickening that he has been turned into a racist with zero proof of that.

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Why do you think he was a "thug"?  He was no angel, that is for sure, but I would not call him a thug, either. Why is he a thug in your eyes?  TIA




I would like to know this also my Grandson wears a hoodie he's 12 and not a thug
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« Reply #637 on: June 18, 2012, 04:47:14 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/18/george-zimmermans-phone-calls-jail_n_1605592.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D170832

George Zimmerman's Jailhouse Calls To Wife Reveal Couple's Alleged Plan To Hide Funds (AUDIO)

Posted: 06/18/2012 1:17 pm Updated: 06/18/2012 3:57 pm

The special prosecutor in the case of George Zimmerman, the Florida man accused of murdering 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, released a half-dozen recorded jailhouse phone conversations between Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, which prosecutors say reveal the couple's plans to conceal more than $130,000 of donated money via transfers between their personal bank accounts.

The release of the recordings comes just a week after Shellie Zimmerman was arrested and charged with perjury for lying under oath about the family's financial status during an April hearing in which her husband was granted bond.

Prosecutors say that while George and Shellie Zimmerman told the judge under oath that they were broke, and their lawyer requested a low bond because of the couple's dire financial situation, they were instead paying off credit card bills and transferring funds into his wife's personal bank account from a Paypal account linked to a website to raise defense funds.

In a call on April 12 Zimmerman tells his wife how happy he is about all of the money pouring in from website.

"Oh, man, that feels good… that there are people in America that care," George Zimmerman tells Shellie. "Yeah they do," she responds.

Shellie Zimmerman then tells George how so many people had gone to the website that it crashed several times.

“It makes me feel happy and to lay here and um be okay,” George Zimmerman tells his wife during that phone conversation.

“I’m so happy to know that you’re gonna be okay,” Shellie Zimmerman says. “After this… you’re gonna be able to just, have a great life,”

“We will,” Zimmerman said.

The call was made the day after Zimmerman was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.

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« Reply #638 on: June 18, 2012, 05:11:11 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/18/george-zimmermans-phone-calls-jail_n_1605592.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D170832

George Zimmerman's Jailhouse Calls To Wife Reveal Couple's Alleged Plan To Hide Funds (AUDIO)

Posted: 06/18/2012 1:17 pm Updated: 06/18/2012 3:57 pm

The special prosecutor in the case of George Zimmerman, the Florida man accused of murdering 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, released a half-dozen recorded jailhouse phone conversations between Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, which prosecutors say reveal the couple's plans to conceal more than $130,000 of donated money via transfers between their personal bank accounts.

The release of the recordings comes just a week after Shellie Zimmerman was arrested and charged with perjury for lying under oath about the family's financial status during an April hearing in which her husband was granted bond.

Prosecutors say that while George and Shellie Zimmerman told the judge under oath that they were broke, and their lawyer requested a low bond because of the couple's dire financial situation, they were instead paying off credit card bills and transferring funds into his wife's personal bank account from a Paypal account linked to a website to raise defense funds.

In a call on April 12 Zimmerman tells his wife how happy he is about all of the money pouring in from website.

"Oh, man, that feels good… that there are people in America that care," George Zimmerman tells Shellie. "Yeah they do," she responds.

Shellie Zimmerman then tells George how so many people had gone to the website that it crashed several times.

“It makes me feel happy and to lay here and um be okay,” George Zimmerman tells his wife during that phone conversation.

“I’m so happy to know that you’re gonna be okay,” Shellie Zimmerman says. “After this… you’re gonna be able to just, have a great life,”

“We will,” Zimmerman said.

The call was made the day after Zimmerman was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.

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IMO George Zimmerman is a liar, if he lied about the money, what else did he lie about. He is NOT credible
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« Reply #639 on: June 18, 2012, 06:12:26 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/18/george-zimmermans-phone-calls-jail_n_1605592.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D170832

George Zimmerman's Jailhouse Calls To Wife Reveal Couple's Alleged Plan To Hide Funds (AUDIO)

Posted: 06/18/2012 1:17 pm Updated: 06/18/2012 3:57 pm

The special prosecutor in the case of George Zimmerman, the Florida man accused of murdering 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, released a half-dozen recorded jailhouse phone conversations between Zimmerman and his wife, Shellie, which prosecutors say reveal the couple's plans to conceal more than $130,000 of donated money via transfers between their personal bank accounts.

The release of the recordings comes just a week after Shellie Zimmerman was arrested and charged with perjury for lying under oath about the family's financial status during an April hearing in which her husband was granted bond.

Prosecutors say that while George and Shellie Zimmerman told the judge under oath that they were broke, and their lawyer requested a low bond because of the couple's dire financial situation, they were instead paying off credit card bills and transferring funds into his wife's personal bank account from a Paypal account linked to a website to raise defense funds.

In a call on April 12 Zimmerman tells his wife how happy he is about all of the money pouring in from website.

"Oh, man, that feels good… that there are people in America that care," George Zimmerman tells Shellie. "Yeah they do," she responds.

Shellie Zimmerman then tells George how so many people had gone to the website that it crashed several times.

“It makes me feel happy and to lay here and um be okay,” George Zimmerman tells his wife during that phone conversation.

“I’m so happy to know that you’re gonna be okay,” Shellie Zimmerman says. “After this… you’re gonna be able to just, have a great life,”

“We will,” Zimmerman said.

The call was made the day after Zimmerman was arrested and charged with second-degree murder.

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IMO George Zimmerman is a liar, if he lied about the money, what else did he lie about. He is NOT credible

Why was GZ granted bail in the first place?  Surely, prosecution had access to the calls, and transactions at the time of the hearing. 

I will wait to see and hear for myself, rather than rely on MSM to deliver unbiased reports.

Right now it looks bad for George, or is that b/c that's the way the prosecution and MSM want us to see it?
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