Sierra Lamar #2 4/21/12 -

[cw618]

Found quite a conversation on FB, unfortunately there is alot of cursing so will leave it to you ......comments from Torres girlfriend and her sister are mind-blowing

(Francine Sarmiento --Have you seen her twitter thats a DIRTY NASTY HO!) and her sister (Victoria Sarmiento Martinez u guys r dumb of course shes mad we were with him that morning amd how do they know shes dead wheres the proof of that huh no where)

There are 52 comments on this thread, all except these girls are totally for Sierra.

https://www.facebook.com/4daluvoflunch?ref=pb

Conversation begin on the left, under his (Torres pic), you have to scroll down a bit

Thanks I read that. They are in denial and sick talking about Sierra

morning,im confused,i dont FB
when i go to the FB link in the above quote,and click the pic with the woman and child,
it takes me to a pg that has the album pics and,the small pic of Sierra LaMar,but under
that pic is a date april 15,what is that date for,and when was the Sierra LaMar,pic/img
put up on that account
TIA

[StarMonkey]

Hi CW You have to click on comments link under his picture. I think you have to be logged on to fb I'm not sure though.

[melisb]

Joe Vazquez ‏@joenewsman
DEVELOPING: murder suspect Antolin Garcia Torres arrested in past for battery and unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor. #sierralamar

https://twitter.com/#!/joenewsman

IDR his name on the RSO list,of the i think  5mile search,scary,this nut job almost
got away

Here you go CW address of RV park that he lives at:

       MAPLELEAF RV PARK
       15200 Monterey Street
        Morgan Hill, Ca.

Figured you could use to do one of your marvelous distance and maps

TY

7.5 mi, 16 mins from 18 Paquita Espana Court, Morgan Hill, CA 95037
http://g.co/maps/ams3b

Thank you so much CW, Madame!  I will never make that mistake again.  I called you Sir in a long ago thank you and you never corrected
me so I guess I just ran with it!  Had nothing to do with feeling or ever speaking to you, I just stupidly assumed the sweet little Monkey was a boy and don't know why.  I love your mapping abilities and look forward to you always laying one out for this dummy.  I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings and it won't happen again!  MB
Edit to fix quotes.  Muffy

[cw618]

melisb,YW and no prob must have missed the long ago post sorry

[cw618]

Hi CW You have to click on comments link under his picture. I think you have to be logged on to fb I'm not sure though.

i dont really want to read the comms,just trying to fig out,what that april 15
date is,under Sierra pic/img,once you have clicked the pic/img of women and
child,and it takes you to the pg,with the date on it,sorry if im not explaing it
well enough

[cw618]

Hi CW You have to click on comments link under his picture. I think you have to be logged on to fb I'm not sure though.

i dont really want to read the comms,just trying to fig out,what that april 15
date is,under Sierra pic/img,once you have clicked the pic/img of women and
child,and it takes you to the pg,with the date on it,sorry if im not explaing it
well enough

sorry, trying this maybe it will work,why is the april 15,date there,and is
there away to tell when, that img was uploaded,to that pg
click on the img,on this pg it will take you to what im talking about,i hope
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=p.348979508483700&type=1#!/photo.php?

[cw618]

Mother of Sierra LaMar to murder suspect: ‘Say where she is’
May 23, 2012 |  4:00am
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"Her body hasn't been found," Marlene LaMar said at a news conference, her voice breaking. "I believe there was a reason she wasn't found. We're not giving up on that."
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Other suspects were identified and watched during the investigation, Smith said, but detectives believe Garcia-Torres acted alone.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/mother-of-missing-sierra-lamar-to-murder-suspect-say-where-she-is.html

[cw618]

not from her driveway

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Police think Sierra was kidnapped from just outside her home near the intersection of Palm and Dougherty avenues in northwest Morgan Hill shortly after 7 a.m. on March 16. Investigators said the K-9 unit lost Sierra's scent at end of her street, en route to her bus stop where she was usually would walk to on a normal school day.

The last known communication she had with someone she knows is a text sent from her phone to a friend about 7:11 a.m.

According to Smith, Garcia-Torres is the owner of the red Jetta that investigators believed was connected to her kidnapping. They released photos of the car about two weeks ago. Then, on May 11, Sierra's story was featured on "America's Most Wanted." It's been reported by other media outlets that tips generated from the episode led authorities closer to Garcia-Torres.
http://www.gilroydispatch.com/news/crime_fire_courts/year-old-arrested-in-murder-kidnapping-of-sierra/article_6786d196-4565-545c-9308-c2363b7175c2.html#user-comment-area

[sassifrass]

Hi CW You have to click on comments link under his picture. I think you have to be logged on to fb I'm not sure though.

i dont really want to read the comms,just trying to fig out,what that april 15
date is,under Sierra pic/img,once you have clicked the pic/img of women and
child,and it takes you to the pg,with the date on it,sorry if im not explaing it
well enough

sorry, trying this maybe it will work,why is the april 15,date there,and is
there away to tell when, that img was uploaded,to that pg
click on the img,on this pg it will take you to what im talking about,i hope
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=p.348979508483700&type=1#!/photo.php?

CW:

The April 15 date is the date that Lorraine posted the pic of her cover photo on FB. I don't know what date she posted the Sierra photo to her profile pic because it is hidden.

Hope that helps. 

[cw618]

sassifrass
CW:
The April 15 date is the date that Lorraine posted the pic of her cover photo on FB. I don't know what date she posted the Sierra photo to her profile pic because it is hidden.
Hope that helps. 

TY sassifrass, it does help a non FBer understand

[MuffyBee]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/22/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
College Student Disappears While Biking Home
Aired May 22, 2012 - 19:00   ET

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The 15-year-old high school student vanished from her driveway March 16th while walking to the bus stop. Her mom had no idea she was missing until the school called that evening to report her absence.

Cops have had Garcia Torres under surveillance for almost two months now hoping they would lead them to Sierra. However they decided to arrest and charge him even thought they have not found the victim, Sierra. Sierra`s mother made a desperate plea for Garcia Torres to tell them if he hid her somewhere and end their family nightmare.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARLENE LAMAR, MOTHER OF SIERRA LAMAR: I do have a plea to the perpetrator to please, please give the information that you have -- that you have to lead us to Sierra to help end this nightmare. I would like you to come forward and say where she is and end this nightmare for us as a family.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What do you think? Call me, 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877- 586-7297.

Straight out to criminal profiler, Pat Brown, there is an old saying and I hate to use it, but it does explain the dilemma of law enforcement -- "no body, no case." We pray and hope by some miracle that this beautiful young woman is still alive, but police do not think so. That`s why they`ve arrested him on a murder charge, but they do not have a body. How do they deal with that?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, I hear they have DNA, they might have a lot of other evidence. They`ve been watching this guy for a long time, so I don`t think they would have moved in on him unless they thought they had a strong enough case. And perhaps he is working to give them some information as to where she is so he can get -- hopefully a lighter sentence for himself.

But I don`t think he`s going to get much of that, but I certainly hope that helps the family at least know what happened to Sierra. I mean this sort of been -- the way it`s been going for a while now, but at least now they have the true facts of it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cops spent months investigating this case and actually linked Garcia-Torres, they say to Sierra with DNA found in her bag and also her DNA on his property. So they`ve got a match. There`s no reason for that to be because they didn`t know each other.

So let`s listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SMITH: It`s my belief this was purely random. It was an absolute stranger abduction. There`s no information that we have of any type that the two know each other and have had any contact. We believe this is the worst kind of a crime, a stranger abduction of a young girl.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Random crime, obviously the most terrifying because you cannot prepare for it or figure out a way to avoid it, so you`ve got to wonder, J. Wyndal Gordon, criminal defense attorney, if this DNA match is going to be enough.

Let`s pray that this family gets closure and that whatever happened to this beautiful young woman the family finds out and they can somehow at least know the truth, but if not, will the DNA and his DNA on her property and her DNA on his property, will that be enough?

J. WYNDAL GORDON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, we saw a case dealing with a lack of a body and another case that was out in California, it`s the (inaudible) that escapes me right now. When you don`t have a body, you don`t have a case because it`s hard. You don`t know the cause of death. Was it an accident? Was it a homicide? We don`t know what the cause of death is, so the DNA, I don`t think that would be enough unless the prosecutor can piece together -- the prosecutor`s office can piece together enough evidence to show that this was, in fact, a homicide, and I just don`t know how they`re going do it.

I think they acted with quick dispatch to get him off the street. I mean I have every reason to believe that the investigation is still ongoing and that they just wanted to get him off the street because he wasn`t leading them into any information that they would find helpful, but this thing will go on until the --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me say this. This isn`t the first crime that this guy, this creep has been linked to.

Listen to this from the news conference.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SMITH: One was where a taser was involved but the victim managed to get away. Another one was where the victim had a knife that was being used against her and the other one was he was not able to get into the victim`s car. She locked it. Those have been recorded by the media and one of those we linked through evidence to our suspect.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I want to go out to Mark Eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney. You`re also a former prosecutor. I`m wondering given that they do not have the victim in this case, could they pile on all these charges connected to these other cases to encourage him confess and reveal what he did with Sierra? Could they offer to take, for example, the death penalty off the table?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolute, they can try. But this guy wasn`t an altar boy yesterday and then turned to be a murderer and a kidnapper. He`s been through the system. So he becomes very educated that the fish who kept his mouth shut doesn`t get caught. So he knows that the minute he starts talking the more he`s going to help their case which as Mr. Gordon correctly indicated earlier seems to be lacking proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Without a body -- they do allege that there are substances of hers found in his vehicle -- I don`t know what that would be. I guess the worst-case scenario is blood. But again, is that an accident? Does that show that she was intentionally murdered? I think that there is proof that he most likely did it. He probably did it, but I`m looking to see some more, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go out to the phone lines.

Tammy, Rhode Island; your question or thoughts, Tammy?

TAMMY, RHODE ISLAND (via telephone): Jane, I just thought I`d let you know how much I love the show. And I`m calling you to --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you.

TAMMY: -- say my heart goes out to both of those girls and their families. I hope the second girl is found, but what I`m calling about is that people have to realize that it`s not 30 years ago or 40 yes years ago, you can`t be out there alone. You can`t go walking by yourself. You can`t go riding a bike at all. You have to be in pairs or with other people.

We have to watch out for each other because there`s a war on women and girls. And it`s just really a sad thing that the world`s turned to this. But my opinion is that you can`t do things alone like you used to.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but -- well, you make some important points, but I have to point out that Sierra Lamar, this 15-year-old was simply walking from her front door to her nearby school bus stop. This wasn`t a girl running around all over town. She was walking from her front door to her school bus stop.

And that`s why I agree with you in the sense that there is something wrong with our culture that people, particularly females -- which I call the psychological burqa -- have to live in fear any time they walk anywhere alone. There`s something wrong and we need to do something about it.

Now, let`s examine who this character is -- Garcia-Torres, a stranger to Sierra, total stranger. Ok. But we`ve done some digging. Here`s what we found out about him -- his full name, Antolin Garcia-Torres, 21. Lives in San Martin, California; just a few miles away from Sierra; he works at a grocery store. And get this -- he`s married with a one and a half-year-old daughter and his wife is three months pregnant. Now, his sister says they have the wrong guy, quote, "It is not him. It feels like we`re in a movie right now, an unfair movie."

But the fact is if he is the man responsible, he essentially impregnated his wife and then went out and did this? How horrifying is that, Pat Brown?

BROWN: Well, there`s a lot of serial killers who have wives and we find them, sometimes they`ve been married 20 or 30 years and they have killed 10 women and they have wives. The problem is the wives don`t recognize that they`re married to a psychopath.

And let me say this, when they go, oh my God, I don`t know why they`re picking on my husband, or my father, or my brother -- it`s like, really? Do you think that he`s popped out of a crowd, the police just pop somebody out of the crowd and say let`s go after that guy. I mean there`s usually a heck of a lot of evidence for them to do that.

I mean worst excuse for Sierra`s DNA to be anywhere near this man or his DNA to be anywhere near her. Don`t tell me that they just met up and had a nice handshake and that`s it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Well, to that point, officers had been looking for a Red Volkswagen Jetta and he`s the owner of a Red Volkswagen Jetta that had been seen in the area.

Nancy Grace, top of the hour, what are you working on tonight, Nancy?

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Jane, at this hour some family and sex offenders had been ruled out, but not the parents, Jane. Isabel`s own mother defending daddy as police now begging neighbors to be their eyes and ears. And tonight, has daddy lawyered up, Jane?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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[Northern Rose]

Volunteers Conduct Recovery Operation for Sierra Lamar

MORGAN HILL (KRON)--Volunteers, led by the KlaasKids Foundation, are out Wednesday conducting recovery search efforts for missing teen Sierra Lamar, just as authorities make an arrest for her kidnapping and murder.
 
KRON 4's Will Tran reports that volunteers have once again gathered at Burnett Elementary School to conduct another search for Sierra as her family remains hopeful that the teen will be found alive

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http://www.kron4.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=4214

[Northern Rose]

DNA of Sierra Suspect Already in Criminal Database

SANTA CLARA COUNTY, Calif. - New information on the suspect arrested for kidnap and murder in connection to the disappearance of Sierra Lamar.

Court documents show why Antolin Garcia-Torres' DNA was already in the criminal system. It turns out it was documented in 2009 after he was arrested for battery and statutory rape.

It turns out his girlfriend, who was 15 at time, was pregnant with his child. The District Attorney did not prosecute those charges.

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http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/18601459/sierra-suspects-dna-already-in-criminal-database

[Northern Rose]

Rape charges based on 15 yr old pregnant girlfriend

Current girlfriend is 19 with a 1 1/2 yr old and expecting again in Nov. We have no idea if the 1 1/2 yr old is his, but if it is that means she could have gotten pregnant when she was 16 depending on birthdays. 

History shows he likes his girls at around 15 - 16 yrs old.  Guess he missed the class on birth control, condoms and statutory rape, or this may be a control mechanism for him to keep them around. 

[Northern Rose]

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At the time, Garcia-Torres lived on Llagas Road in San Martin, a small town south of Morgan Hill. The resisting arrest incident occurred when two Morgan Hill police officers were making a probation compliance check at his residence for a man identified as Agustin Chavez, who had previously been charged with domestic violence, the records state.

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http://cupertino.patch.com/articles/violent-past-for-sierra-lamar-murder-kidnap-suspect-court-records-reveal

CW -  could you please add this address to your map with all other places in this case.  Wondering what it all looks like ,  TYIA

[Tamikosmom]

DNA of Sierra Suspect Already in Criminal Database

SANTA CLARA COUNTY, Calif. - New information on the suspect arrested for kidnap and murder in connection to the disappearance of Sierra Lamar.

Court documents show why Antolin Garcia-Torres' DNA was already in the criminal system. It turns out it was documented in 2009 after he was arrested for battery and statutory rape.

It turns out his girlfriend, who was 15 at time, was pregnant with his child. The District Attorney did not prosecute those charges.

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http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/18601459/sierra-suspects-dna-already-in-criminal-database

WHY??

Could it be the failure to prosecute ... the failure to hold Antolin Garcia-Torres accountable ... was the catalyst that ultimately led to the kidnapping and murder of Sierra Lamar?

Janet

+++++

THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

The Writing was on the Wall

Monkeys Media Reminder … Beth Holloway & Peter R. DeVries on Dana Pretzer Show on Scared Monkeys Radio
February 13th, 2008

Beth Holloway:

47:50 - "I feel strongly that he (Joran) is a time bomb that is waiting to go off.  He will strike again.  It is not just for Natalee that I would like to see him behind bars.  I think he has shown us all he has no control over himself or his actions."

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/monkeys-media-reminder-beth-holloway-peter-r-devries-on-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio/


Natalee Holloway Suspect Wanted in Peru
June 11, 2010

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An international news agency is reporting Joran Van Der Sloot is a suspect in the murder of a 21 year old woman in Peru. Van Der Sloot was the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway in Aruba five years ago.  According to BNO News the victim in this new case is Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramirez who was found dead this morning after disappearing Friday. Her family says she was last seen leaving a casino with Van Der Sloot.

CBS 42 News will continue to follow this developing story.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Natalee-Holloway-Suspect-Wanted-in-Peru/aX4VxsGyFkiLkrg1pW-65g.cspx

[MuffyBee]

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sierra-LaMar-Timeline-152707485.html
Sierra LaMar Timeline
Here is a timeline in the Sierra LaMar case
Lisa Fernandez
May 22, 2012

MARCH 16: Sierra LaMar's family reports her missing. She was supposed to go to a bus stop near her home, but never made it to Sobrato High School. The Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office considers it a missing persons case.

MARCH 17: Search and rescue units find Sierra's cell phone a few blocks east of her  bus stop. The phone is checked for leads and sent to the county crime lab with her lap top.

MARCH 18: Crews find Sierra's pink Juicy-brand bag with a folded T-shirt and pants. Investigators don't make the information public for four days. Boat teams begin to search large reservoirs and ponds.

MARCH 20: Klaas Kids Foundation organizes the first volunteer searches. Sheriff now believes Sierra was abducted.
More...

[Northern Rose]

Searches continue for Sierra LaMar after suspect's arrest
 
A day and a half after the arrest of a man accused of kidnapping and murdering Sierra LaMar, both authorities and volunteers are continuing their searches for her.

The Santa Clara Sheriff's Office is looking for her body. The volunteers, who also have been scouring the southern portion of the county, are holding out hope they might find the 15-year-old Morgan Hill-area teen alive.

"My hope is that she is still alive, that he just has her somewhere," Karah Silacci, a 38-year-old Gilroy resident who has volunteered in the search effort since its inception, said Tuesday as she was gearing up to participate in Wednesday's search. "If she's not, we still have to bring her home."

Sheriff's divers Wednesday were scheduled to probe the Uvas Reservoir, 10 miles southwest of the unincorporated neighborhood off Palm and Dougherty avenues where Sierra vanished March 16. Sgt. Jose Cardoza said that will extend to other area waterways throughout the week.

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http://**/ci_20690278/searches-continue-sierra-lamar-after-suspects-arrest
 

[Tamikosmom]

Hi CW You have to click on comments link under his picture. I think you have to be logged on to fb I'm not sure though.

 

I think you do too.  I cannot access the comments.  Maybe someone could copy and paste.

I know it is just a matter of time but ... as yet I have not yet bowed and joined Facebook/Twitter.  DIL on Vancouver Island tried unsuccessfully to pursuade me the other day.  She had posted in her facebook account a video of my almost 10 month old granddaughter's first full day of walking without once reverting to crawling.  I came thisclose to breaking but ... considering a much anticipated visit is on the horizon ... I did not break.  DIL emailed me a few precious photos to appease in the meantime.

Janet

[cw618]

so it doesnt get to messy
what we knew,in the first few days



AGTs places



its not to far from,where AGT was staying,2mi,does anyone know where
that farm,his fam got booted from is located,there is a lot of area,east and
west of,the locations,that a body could be hidden

18 Paquita Espana Ct
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
to
Maple Leaf RV Park
15200 Monterey Street
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
from to
Llagas Ave
San Martin, CA 95046

18 Paquita-to-Maple Leaf  is 7.5 mi – about 16 mins
Maple Leaf-to-Llagas Ave is 2.0 mi – about 5 mins
http://g.co/maps/3qbns