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« Reply #820 on: May 18, 2012, 12:23:38 AM »

why Sergio went to wake Isa up so early? what time supposed to be Isa's game?
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« Reply #821 on: May 18, 2012, 12:26:03 AM »

With all the speculation about why CPS previously went to the Celis home, the suspicous behavoir of the parents, CPS LE searching for Isa in a "wash" area- , LE's reluctance to share the LDT results, LE's reluctance to share anything, etc..., all of these tidbits are adding up to what appears to not be a positive outcome for this child.   

Sadly, I feel you are right.
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« Reply #822 on: May 18, 2012, 12:41:33 AM »

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151941635.html

Day 27: "The hope is that she is still alive"

KGUN9 News found records showing TPD also visited the Celis family address multiple times in recent years.

“There have been calls to the residence previously,” Hawke commented. “I can't say specifically that it was the Celis family that lived there when those calls were made. But that's not necessarily unusual.”
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« Reply #823 on: May 18, 2012, 01:42:15 AM »

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/151941635.html

Day 27: "The hope is that she is still alive"

KGUN9 News found records showing TPD also visited the Celis family address multiple times in recent years.

“There have been calls to the residence previously,” Hawke commented. “I can't say specifically that it was the Celis family that lived there when those calls were made. But that's not necessarily unusual.”


The police are just as evasive in this case.

Granted, they have to withold information from the public to ensure the integrity of the investigation, facts only the perp would know, etc. 

I asked this question before, with all the time, manpower and resource$ to conduct a search in the "wash" area, running underwater sonar, this seems to me they are looking for a deceased individual.

Did the Celis's leave the game in 2 vehicles?

Did Rebecca leave with the 2 boys and Sergio leave, alone, with Isabel?
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« Reply #824 on: May 18, 2012, 02:12:16 AM »

Actually, this is the "second" time police have conducted a search in that wash area.

I don't know how much water there is there - does anyone know - I know this is a desert area.

But...if when it does rain, water washes in certain areas, then there could be "brush" to look through.

Anyone here know the "conditions" of the wash area?


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« Reply #825 on: May 18, 2012, 02:58:10 AM »

Actually, this is the "second" time police have conducted a search in that wash area.

I don't know how much water there is there - does anyone know - I know this is a desert area.

But...if when it does rain, water washes in certain areas, then there could be "brush" to look through.

Anyone here know the "conditions" of the wash area?



My dad lived in the Palm Springs area of So. Ca., and whenever they woulld have a "gully Washer", the sands from the mountains above would come down and cover any and everything in its way....every crevice could become a "wash" in no time.

Sometimes he would have near a foot or more of sand across his driveway....about all I can add......The deserts of the west can really become wild & raging
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« Reply #826 on: May 18, 2012, 03:37:44 AM »

Actually, this is the "second" time police have conducted a search in that wash area.

I don't know how much water there is there - does anyone know - I know this is a desert area.

But...if when it does rain, water washes in certain areas, then there could be "brush" to look through.

Anyone here know the "conditions" of the wash area?



My dad lived in the Palm Springs area of So. Ca., and whenever they woulld have a "gully Washer", the sands from the mountains above would come down and cover any and everything in its way....every crevice could become a "wash" in no time.

Sometimes he would have near a foot or more of sand across his driveway....about all I can add......The deserts of the west can really become wild & raging

Thank you...makes sense that "sand" would settle in the wash.
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« Reply #827 on: May 18, 2012, 06:38:47 AM »

I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   
I was with my kids while NG was on TV so I couldnt heard pretty good but I believe that NG said that CPS was concern about Isa' illness

I am pretty sure that was just an example of why CPS would become involved. But that there was involvement prior to this for "some" reason is disturbing.
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« Reply #828 on: May 18, 2012, 08:23:36 AM »

I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


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I was with my kids while NG was on TV so I couldnt heard pretty good but I believe that NG said that CPS was concern about Isa' illness

I am pretty sure that was just an example of why CPS would become involved. But that there was involvement prior to this for "some" reason is disturbing.

Did not hear that comment about the illness at all...any thing in the transcripts?
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« Reply #829 on: May 18, 2012, 08:24:45 AM »

I want to know what the note said that Isabel wrote on the inside of her closet!
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« Reply #830 on: May 18, 2012, 09:22:48 AM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE

Message from Missing Isabel Celis?

Aired May 17, 2012 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Tucson. A parent`s worst nightmare, Mommy and Daddy tuck 6-year-old Isabel into bed. 8:00 AM, she`s gone. She usually sleeps with her two brothers, but not that night.

After a third search at the home and then on to a landfill, police back at the home to seize fabric and pillows from the family car. Then a stunning reveal from Tucson police who say the parents have, quote, "no sense of urgency." Mommy, Daddy and one of the brothers back at the home with heavy police escort to re-create the crime. Mommy and Daddy both taking polygraphs, but refuse to tell if they passed.

We spot a secret home security camera trained on the pathway to Isabel`s window. Why wasn`t it working that night? In a major twist, Isabel`s father now banned from any and all contact from the two remaining young sons, Isabel`s brothers, Mommy and Daddy now living separately.

We then obtain 911 calls that reveal a stunning contrast between Mommy and Daddy on with 911, Daddy calm, cool, even chuckling. This is just moments after he discovers his 6-year-old girl is gone. Mommy, on the other hand, hysterical. We have the audio. And are Daddy`s statements to police inconsistent?

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, reports surface a message written by 6-year-old Isabel found scrawled on the little girl`s bedroom closet. And in another bombshell, we learn CPS -- Child Protective Services -- at the Celis home in the months leading up to her disappearance. At this hour, is Daddy`s phone under police tap? Tonight, where is 6-year-old Isabel?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: OK, how tall is she?

SERGIO CELIS, ISABEL`S FATHER: She is 5-2.

911 OPERATOR: No, I`m sorry, your daughter.

SERGIO CELIS: Oh, my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His whole demeanor, the lack of emotion.

BECKY CELIS, ISABEL`S MOTHER: She`s, like, 44, 45 inches long.

SERGIO CELIS: My wife just got home and she`s kind of hysterical and freaking out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It just boggles my mind.

SERGIO CELIS: Told her to get her butt home.

We are cooperating to the fullest extent.

She is -- she is so -- she is so full of life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The window itself was completely open. There was no screen.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) I don`t know what they did, but oh, my God!

SERGIO CELIS: Please, look at her. Look at her. She`s beautiful!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have to eliminate themselves so law enforcement can go in other directions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isabel`s father was the first to report her missing on the morning of April 21st.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a saying in law enforcement...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mother did not see Isabel before she went to work.

BECKY CELIS: I just -- I didn`t even kiss my daughter (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... when you have no suspects, everybody is a suspect.

QUESTION: What can you tell me about a note in Isabel`s handwriting that was found in her closet two days after she disappeared?

QUESTION: It wasn`t actually a note, right? It was written on the wall.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We won`t confirm or discuss...

(END VIDEO CLIP)



GRACE: You`re seeing ABC`s "GMA" and NBC`s "Today."

Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, reports surface a message written by 6-year-old Isabel found scrawled inside the little girl`s bedroom closet.

And another bombshell. We learn Child Protective Services there at the home in the months leading up to her disappearance. OK, once again, why was CPS in the home? And if anything was wrong, why didn`t they do something before the child goes missing or is murdered?

We are taking your calls. Straight out to Gregg Paul, reporter, KFYI. Gregg, what do we know about reports a message scrawled inside Isabel`s closet in her bedroom?


GREGG PAUL, KFYI RADIO (via telephone): Nancy, it really brings another mysterious element to this case. What we are hearing is that possible message from Isabel, as you said, was found inside the closet, on the wall. But when police were asked about it, you just saw it, the -- Sergeant Hawke, she wouldn`t even confirm it. They wouldn`t talk about it. They don`t want to discuss it to protect the investigation. But it is an interesting twist to the story.

GRACE: OK, Greg Overzat, you`re there on the scene at the Tucson police station. What are you hearing? What are sources telling you, Greg?

GREG OVERZAT, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right. Well, Nancy, this mysterious writing on the wall in Isabel`s closet -- cops would not comment on that. However, there are rumors swirling about its content, what may have been written, whether or not it was written by Isabel. We`re just waiting for cops to make any mention of it. All they are saying is that any part of evidence will not be discussed.

GRACE: Well, wait a minute. So Jean Casarez, they`re not denying it. When you ask about it, they`re not denying it, right?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": That`s correct, they`re not denying it. And this would be in her own handwriting, not on a piece of paper, not in a notebook, but on the wall or even the door in her closet.

GRACE: OK, so Jean Casarez, the cops have been asked a lot of questions. And they say, Well, we are not aware of that. We don`t know anything about that. That has not come to our attention. But when they are asked, Was there a note written by Isabel written on the inside of her closet on one of the walls, they say they`re not going comment on it?

CASAREZ: So are they admitting by omission? That`s what you`re saying.

GRACE: So Jean, tell me, what do we know about reports that Isabel had actually hidden in her closet and written a note?

CASAREZ: We know because at a press conference locally in Arizona, somebody asked the question. Somebody put it out there that this little girl could have written something in her own penmanship of 6 years old, printing, but not on a piece of paper, it would be on her closet wall or her door. That`s what`s being said.

GRACE: OK, take a listen to what police said in the last hours.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

QUESTION: What can you tell me about a note in Isabel`s handwriting that was found in her closet two days after she disappeared?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no knowledge of that. I`m not familiar with any note being left. But regardless, any items of evidence that would have been specifically located either in the house or in relation to this investigation won`t be discussed for obvious concerns of the integrity of the investigation.

QUESTION: It wasn`t actually a note (INAUDIBLE) it was written on the wall.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Again, any particular items of evidence that might relate to this investigation, may have been located in the residence or in association with the investigation, we won`t confirm or discuss the possibilities of evidence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: So I notice she didn`t say, We won`t confirm or deny. she said, We will not confirm or discuss.

But to you, Ellie Jostad. There have been a lot of questions put to police, including questions I`ve put to them myself, where they say, I haven`t heard anything about that. I don`t know anything about that. But that`s not what they said.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, she did, though, Nancy, start off saying, I have no knowledge of that. I have no knowledge of any note. But then she goes on to say, Any evidence that we might have found in the house we`re not going to confirm anyway.

It`s similar to the way they`ve answered other questions about what was or was not found in the house. They say, We`re not going to comment. And then they`ll say, Even if we did know about that, we wouldn`t tell you anyway. So it`s really hard to get a bead on what might have been found there in the house.

GRACE: To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Deal Breakers." Bethany, what is this telling you?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, little girls sometimes do write on the wall, OK? Children do that. It`s the content of the writing that we would want to know. Did she write, Daddy is a bad man? Did she draw a picture? A picture can be a treasure trove of information. And...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: We don`t -- hold on, Bethany. We are not reporting anything about what was written in the closet, or what has been reported that what was written, the actual words that were written because we cannot confirm what was written. These are just reports we have not been able to confirm, yet. Go ahead.

MARSHALL: Well, are you kind of wondering what the significance is, then?

GRACE: Well, the significance of...

MARSHALL: Because I would think the significance would be the...

GRACE: ... a child going in a closet, hiding in a closet and writing a message.

MARSHALL: Well, that is a very perceptive question because the question would be, why did she write it inside the closet, rather than on a piece of paper? And presumably, because she did not want it to be seen.

What would be interesting to know is, did this child write on the walls in other parts of the house? Did she write on things she wasn`t supposed to write on? And what was that symptomatic of? You know what`s going to tell us a lot about this, Nancy, is who filed the report. That`s where we`re going learn the most.

Was it the pediatrician? Was it a school teacher? Was it a neighbor? And what was the report based on? Was it neglect? Was a pediatrician reporting that this little girl had infections, feminine infections that a little girl shouldn`t have?

So you would have to put that together with what was the content of the writing in the closet.

GRACE: Joining me right now is special guest out of LA, Dr. Charles Sophy, medical director, the LA County Department and Family Services, author of "Side by Side."

Dr. Sophy, let`s review why CPS would have been there in the home in the months leading up to her disappearance, this child`s disappearance. And no offense, Dr. Sophy. I`m not saying it was you, even though you`re with CPS, even though you are the medical director at LA County CPS.

But why is it we only hear about CPS when they neglect a child? A child ends up dead, ends up starved or beaten to death. In this case, the child is gone, out of her bedroom window. CPS was just there.

DR. SOPHY, MEDICAL DIR., LA COUNTY DEPT. OF FAMILY SERVICES: Right. I mean, that`s what is called a prior investigation, so it was a referral several months before. And now that informs this new allegation and this new referral. It gives it a whole different kind of context. There`s a meaning to it now. There`s a prior history. Something`s going on in that house, and now they got to go back and investigate. The reason you don`t always hear about...

GRACE: You know what, Dr. Sophy? Sophy, Sophy, Sophy!

SOPHY: Yes?

GRACE: I`m not a cryptologist, all right? Don`t say to me on national TV, There`s a meaning to it, like you`re looking into a crystal ball. What are you talking about? What do you mean, there`s a meaning to it? What`s the meaning?

SOPHY: Well, the -- the meaning is that they did something that rose to the level of somebody calling in a report, some kind of abuse, some kind of neglect. And it now was another one, so there`s two of them going on, and these people have red flags all around them.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: Who noticed her gone, your husband?

BECKY CELIS: My husband.

SERGIO CELIS: We are cooperating to the fullest extent.

911 OPERATOR: Is Mom there also?

SERGIO CELIS: Yes, she had just left for work. I just called her and I told her to get her butt home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sergio Celis is banned from seeing his children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police believe that he is guilty of something.

911 OPERATOR: How tall is she?

SERGIO CELIS: She is 5-2.

911 OPERATOR: No, I`m sorry, your daughter.

SERGIO CELIS: Oh, my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoever`s involved did an adequate job at really covering a lot of things that we could possibly look at.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know what they did, but oh, my God!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Joining me there in Tucson is Greg Overzat. Gregg Paul is with us, Jean Casarez in the field.

Joining me right now is close friend of the Celis family Joe Vega, who is a friend of Isabel`s father and mother. Joe, did you have any idea that CPS, Child Protective Services, had been in the Celis home already?

JOE VEGA, CELIS FAMILY FRIEND: No, today was the first I`ve heard of it.

GRACE: Now, Joe, you believe that the Celises are your friends and that Sergio Celis is a very close friend, do you not?

VEGA: Yes.

GRACE: And up until this point, you have been unwavering. You have supported him fully. Now that you know Child Protective Services has already been called to the home before this, does that change your opinion in any way?

VEGA: No, it doesn`t. I don`t know why Child Protective Services was called. It could be a number of reasons. Who knows who called. Could be a neighbor.

GRACE: When you say -- when you say...

VEGA: You know, we don`t know the situation. But I do know -- but I do know the family.

GRACE: When you say Child Protective Services could have been called for a number of reasons, what are the reasons with which you are familiar that Child Protective Services are called into a home?

VEGA: Well, mainly for abuse, things like that. But we don`t know who called. What if it`s a neighbor that -- where the kids were playing outside too loud and the neighbors called or something like that? You know, I don`t have the facts. I just heard about this today. I don`t have the facts.

But I know the family and I know how close the family is. So until I hear something definitive on why CPS was called, my feelings of the family do not change.

GRACE: Mr. Vega, have you been in the family home before?

VEGA: No, I have not.

GRACE: What did Mr. Celis, Sergio Celis, say to you regarding his phone lines being monitored?

VEGA: He didn`t say anything to me. I spoke with him the other night to let him know how his son did at our Little League game. And all he had told me was, you know, I`m sorry, I can`t talk that long, I need to get off the phone. And I didn`t ask him why. You know, I`m not going to -- I`m not going to grill my friend. He`s going through enough right now. I`m not going to grill him over anything like that.

GRACE: Didn`t he say to you...

VEGA: You know, he didn`t have to convey anything to me.

GRACE: ... Mr. Vega, that he couldn`t talk for long, that his calls, his phones were being monitored?

VEGA: He did not tell me his phones were being monitored. He told me he could not talk that long, that he had to get off the phone. Yes, he did not tell me his phones were being monitored. And I did not ask. Like I said, I`m not going to grill my friend. He`s going through enough. I just told him that I would probably call him back later in the week, after our next game, to let him know how his son is playing. He wants to know how his son is playing, so I told him I would let him know.

GRACE: Greg Overzat, what do we know about Sergio Celis`s phones being monitored?

OVERZAT: Well, Nancy, all we know is that the other night when Mr. Vega did speak to Sergio, he did say that, you know, he had to keep it short. He did relay a message to Joe for his son. But he other than that, he just had to keep it short.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: With me is Greg Overzat, our producer there in the field at the Tucson police station. Along with him is Joe Vega, a very close friend of the Celis family.

Greg Overzat, do you recall speaking with Joe Vega yesterday and sending me a summery of that phone conversation around 5:00 PM your time? Yes, no.

OVERZAT: Yes, I do.

GRACE: OK. Do you recall writing, "Joe Vega says that Celis says his calls are being monitored and he has to keep his calls short"? I am quoting. Do you recall making that statement, Greg?

OVERZAT: Yes.

GRACE: Have I refreshed your recollection?

OVERZAT: You have. And Mr. Vega and I have discussed this (ph) to clarify. And we believe that it is actually Joe Vega right here who believes that the calls are being monitored. The words may not have explicitly come out of Sergio`s mouth to him, but the understanding was that the reasoning for his short phone calls was the presumption that they could be monitored.

GRACE: I`m glad you cleared that up, Greg Overzat. Thank you very much.

VEGA: (INAUDIBLE) my assumption.

GRACE: So Mr. Vega, why did you get the impression that Celis`s phone calls, Daddy`s calls, are being monitored by police?

VEGA: Well, I don`t know who they are being monitored by, or if they`re being monitored. He never used the word "monitor" with me. My assumption was...

GRACE: But you did.

VEGA: ... because he had to get off the phone quickly that -- my assumption was because he had to get off the phone quickly that they were probably being monitored. That`s my assumption. I did not relay that to him in any way. He did not use the word "monitored" in any way. That was my own assumption.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Sue Moss, New York, Richard Herman, Las Vegas, Alex Sanchez, New York.

To you, Richard Herman. Before you go crazy, let`s just you, Sanchez, Moss, let`s talk about how you tap somebody`s phone line. Give it to me in a nutshell, Herman -- a nutshell!

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: A nutshell. First of all, Nancy, I don`t recognize you. You look so skinny. My God, you`ve got to eat, girl! All right, now...

GRACE: Save it. Go ahead.

HERMAN: Save it. You got to make an application to the court. You have to put an affidavit of probable cause to get permission and a court order for a judge to give an eaves warrant -- eaves tapping and to allow you to wiretap, to get this phone. If you don`t do that, you just can`t go ahead and tap a phone. You got to have some coherent rationale to tap a phone.

GRACE: So bottom line, Sanchez, it`s just like searching a house. You got to have a little more probable cause to tap somebody`s phone. You can tap a home phone or a cell phone. Yes, no, Sanchez.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, I mean, if they didn`t get probable cause, if they obtain any evidence from that, all that evidence is going to be suppressed because it was obtained illegally.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK. How tall is she?

SERGIO CELIS, FATHER OF MISSING GIRL, ISABEL CELIS: She is 5`2".

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: No -- I`m sorry, your daughter.

S. CELIS: Oh my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His whole demeanor, the lack of emotion.

REBECCA CELIS, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL, ISABEL CELIS: She`s, like, 44, 45 inches long.

S. CELIS: My wife just got home and she`s kind of hysterical and freaking out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It just boggles my mind.

S. CELIS: I told her to get her butt home.

(LAUGHTER)

We are cooperating to the fullest extent. She is so full of life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The window itself completely open, there was no screen.

R. CELIS: Outside. They had to have jumped over the fence. I don`t know what they did. Oh, my god.

S. CELIS: Please, look at her. Look at her. She`s beautiful.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: They have to eliminate themselves so law enforcement can go another direction.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Isabel`s father was the first person to report her missing on the morning of April 21st.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a saying in law enforcement.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The mother did not see Isabel before she went to work.

R. CELIS: I just -- and I didn`t even come in and check on her. I should have checked on her.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you have no suspects, everybody is a suspect.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What can you tell me about a note in Isabel`s handwriting that was found in her closet two days after she disappeared?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We won`t confirm or discuss.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: Welcome back. We are live and taking your calls. Stunning reports tonight out of Tucson that a note, a message was actually scrawled by 6-year-old Isabel from inside her bedroom closet. This, as we learn, that this is sending shockwaves through the child protective community. Child Protective Services was actually in the home in the month leading up to Isabel`s disappearance and apparently, once again, did nothing.

Straight out to Jean Casarez, on the story, joining us in the field.

Jean, recap for viewers just joining us.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": So many developments. First, it came about at a press conference today. Somebody asked a question, what about a note that Isabel wrote herself inside her closet? Not on a piece of paper, not on a notebook, but on her door or the wall. The response was, well, don`t really know anything about a note. But even if we did, we`re not going to talk about it.

That, coupled with the fact that CPS previously went to the Celis home possibly in December of last year and they are still talking about an abduction. Inner circle, out of the family, and they are not discounting it`s drug related.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Terry in Texas. Hi, Terry. What is your question?

TERRY, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Hi. I will try to make this brief as possible that I have a comment and a question.

GRACE: OK.

TERRY: Did the father have any financial problems? And the comment was, his lack of emotion is almost seems smug like he knows that the people that may have her are watching and that he doesn`t want to show emotion and it almost seems as if, you know, there`s a really -- people taking her in and out of her room or the possibility of her being sold (INAUDIBLE) you know, a child that`s preyed.

GRACE: OK. Let me ask you a question, Terry. Did I just get it straight? That you think that there`s a possibility that people are watching Sergio Celis and therefore he`s not emoting?

TERRY: Pretty much. He seems like he know what`s happened and even in the police phone call or the 911 call, it seems that it was -- he -- it was almost like he knew something was going to happen eventually.

GRACE: OK. Let me ask you this, Terry in Texas, in your scenario, who would "they" be? The people that are watching Sergio Celis?

TERRY: You know, if he had financeable problems, and you know, maybe, you know, you know, people that were acquaintances to him and, you know, any financial problems he might have had. You know, by possibly -- you know, scrawlings in her closet. Maybe things were happening --

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Well, in this scenario, Terry in Texas, that would then make Sergio Celis part of the scenario, if his daughter`s kidnapped.

TERRY: Exactly.

GRACE: OK. I`m going to go to Joe Vega, a close friend of the Celis family.

Joe, you are here speaking on Sergio Celis and the family`s behalf. I find that theory to be extremely farfetched. My experience is, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it`s a duck. But I find it very -- not because I know Sergio Celio, I just don`t believe that you can have a conspiracy of that many people and somebody not talk to police.

Do you know of any financial problems they had?

JOE VEGA, CLOSE FAMILY FRIEND: No, I don`t know of anything like that. You know it sounds very farfetched to me.

GRACE: OK. You know --

VEGA: He`s a very responsible person. You know.

GRACE: Joe, what does Sergio do for a living?

VEGA: He`s a dental assistant and he also sings in the opera in Tucson.

GRACE: OK. Back to the lines. Sharon in Arkansas. Hi, Sharon. What`s your question?

SHARON, CALLER FROM ARKANSAS: Hi. Yes, Nancy, I`d like to know why they won`t go public with the polygraph? You know, if I didn`t have nothing to hide, then I would let it go and tell people. They`re not -- they`re being too secretive and, too, you know, in hiding about what -- if that was my daughter, I`d be screaming.

GRACE: Well, you know what, Sharon in Arkansas? You sound like the echo of Marc Klaas. When his daughter Polly was kidnapped, the first thing he did was say take my DNA, give me a polygraph, search my place, search my car. Here, whatever you want, do it so you can quit focusing on me and look for my daughter. That`s what he did.

And I have never seen, Sharon in Arkansas, a person that passed a polygraph not put it out there that they passed a polygraph.

To Sergeant Scott Haines, sheriff`s officer, Santa Rosa County, Florida, Sergeant, thank you for being with us. Why is it when the Celis`s were asked any hard questions, they would go, first of all, they`d look at each other like, then they go, we don`t think we should comment on that. We`ve been told not to comment on that.

If they passed a polygraph, what is going to hurt to say yes, we passed our polygraph, next?

SGT. SCOTT HAINES, SHERIFF`S OFFICER, SANTA ROSA COUNTY, FL.: You`re absolutely right. There`s nothing holding them back except for themselves. They probably talked to each other about what they would say. And they obviously know more than what they are wanting to say. And they are definitely not showing the emotion that a parent who actually had a child abducted would show in a situation like that.

GRACE: To Pat Brown, criminal profiler, author of "Only the Truth", joining us tonight out of D.C.

Pat, thank you for being with us. Pat, I want to go back to the other question from Terry in Texas about the fact that maybe Sergio Celis sold his daughter and he knows somebody is watching him so he`s not emoting. I -- that`s not -- that`s too farfetched.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "ONLY THE TRUTH": No, Nancy, I`m not buying that one, mostly because let`s say he got himself into some trouble and somebody took his child in some kind of drug issue, he would have a strained voice because he`d be terrified for his daughter. He might be controlled but there`d be something about him that you`d see the fear.

He`s like reporting a bicycle missing. He`s so relaxed. He doesn`t really seem to care. He does seem smug. He seems to be amused. And I want to point on one other thing. Mr. Vega says he`s a close friend of the family, and yet he had never been in their house? I`m sorry I`m having a problem with it. How close is that?

GRACE: Yes, I noticed that. Joe, how do you know the Celis family?

VEGA: I have known them for the last four years through little league. I have never been inside their house because it`s mainly been little league connection. We go to -- he`s come to my son`s birthday party. He`s been - - we played ball together, coached baseball together all through the baseball season. And we always stay in touch through football season. His son plays football against my son.

GRACE: So you really know nothing about the inner --

VEGA: So we stay in touch that way but --

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: So you know nothing about the inner workings of their home? You know him from the little league field?

VEGA: Yes. I have never been inside their house. That doesn`t mean I don`t know him. But no, I`ve never been inside their house. He`s never been inside my house, either. That`s because we`re out busy coaching the kids, playing ball out there. That`s how we associate with each other, is out on the field.

GRACE: And yet you`re still calling yourself a close friend of his even though you`ve never been in each other`s homes even?

VEGA: That doesn`t mean anything to me. You know? People are saying that they don`t show any emotion. You know, come ask me what I`ve seen. You know what I`ve seen with the family, what I -- when I`ve talked to them when this first happened. Ask me what they`ve gone through, how they`ve broken down. How I`ve seen them cry before you start judging them --

GRACE: What I`d really like to ask you --

VEGA: You know, Sergio was calm on the --

GRACE: What I`d really like to ask you if you were that close to them is if they --

VEGA: Sergio was calm on the 911 call because his son was with him and he`s got to keep it together.

GRACE: If they pass their polygraph, that`s what I`d really like to know.

VEGA: That I don`t know. I didn`t ask them that. They didn`t discuss that with me.

GRACE: OK.

VEGA: Like I said before. That`s really not a concern of mine.

GRACE: OK. Let`s hear from you, Sue Moss.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: 911 call to report his daughter missing, had no emotion like he was just ordering fried chicken. And that`s just the first red flag. Somebody reported a concern about abuse and neglect. Also, the fact, how about the red flag that they didn`t even come public for several days later. And now there are reports that this young child might have written a message in a secret place of a closet?

Little girls only write secret messages in secret places. There`s a lot going on here. And I think that they`re going to break this case soon.

GRACE: You know, Sue Moss, I can only pray.

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R. CELIS: And the door is locked to the outside. They have to have jumped over the fence. I don`t know what they did.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: For someone who`s a little bit taller than I was, they might have, you know, longer legs and be able to reach and catapult themselves over this wall.

GRACE: If somebody decides to break into a house that`s got a five-foot- plus wall fortification around it, and if they are taller than you and if they get on top of that meter box, then they can get in.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls. Back out to the lines. I think I`ve Romy in Washington?

ROMY, CALLER FROM WASHINGTON: Yes, hi, Nancy. God bless you, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. Well, thank you.

ROMY: Listen, I have two questions.

GRACE: Yes.

ROMY: How is this for an eerie resemblance? Do you remember Zarah Baker`s dad when he was giggling on the phone, saying that she was brooding, all the while the girl`s body was already cut up and no charges were ever filed against him? Zarah Baker`s dad. Remember?

GRACE: Romy, Romy, Romy. The reason I`m quiet is I remember. I remember it so well. Her mother in Australia, her father here and had then gotten remarried to the she-devil from hell. The one who suffered was Zarah Baker. Remember her with the prosthetic leg? And that`s how she was ultimately identified.

Yes, I remember. And I remember how inappropriate he was on the phone. I remember it exactly as you are saying it, Romy.

You know what, out to you, Bethany Marshall. You were with us many nights when we covered the Zarah Baker story and the inappropriate behavior on the phone with 911. I remember it like it was yesterday.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": It was so inappropriate and what turned out in the story is that the mother would make the stepmom would make the little girl march with a prosthetic leg for miles as a form of torture. And the dad did nothing and stood by. So he had this distance from the little girl. She was just an object. He was not attached to her.

And in this case, I`m wondering if Sergio made that 911 call because his wife was about to come home? So he had to do it then. And then the comments about get "your butt home" are very degrading, which shows his attitude toward other women and his family.

GRACE: Let`s take a listen to the 911 call that Bethany is talking about.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Hickory Police, 911, where is your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, my daughter is --

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: I`m sorry? Your daughter is missing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: OK. What is your address?

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: 21 21st Avenue Northwest. The police were out here last night over a fire and a ransom note for my boss` daughter. I got up a little while ago and it appears that they took my daughter instead of my boss` daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: So no one has seen your daughter since 2:30 this morning?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. Like I said we had a lot of drama last night. And me and my wife went back to bed. And my daughter I think coming into puberty so she`s in that brooding stage. So we only see her when she come out, when she wants something.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That was the call that Romy was referring to in the Zarah Baker case.

I want to go out to Dr. Bill Lloyd, board certified surgeon and pathologist.

Dr. Lloyd, you -- right now can see your monitor are seeing shots of Isabel in the family home. These are shots inside the home that we are talking about.

Dr. Lloyd, you have performed autopsies on many, many children. And I want to hear your thoughts on this case.

DR. BILL LLOYD, BOARD CERTIFIED SURGEON AND PATHOLOGIST: I think in addition to the mysterious message left behind in that bedroom closet, we`re going to find other secrets as well. You can bet that they`ve already collected all of her school books and notebooks where there`ll be other sketches, other drawings and other stories to tell. This family is deeply enmeshed in secrets and I believe the spool is beginning to unravel.

GRACE: Now why are you, Dr. Lloyd, you`re a pathologist, how do you connect what you do to secrets within cases?

LLOYD: Because all behaviors are gestures, Nancy. Everything anybody does, does for a reason. Now adults make angry phone calls, leave voice messages, send inappropriate e-mails for whatever reason and they regret it. Young children are innocent. Six-year-old children are supposed to adore their parents.

I`m a father of two daughters and it was a wonderful time when my little girls were 6. This is a very different situation. And instead this little girl is leaving behind messages that don`t -- that don`t signal worship for anybody but in fact signal fear and pain.

GRACE: To Greg Paul, KFYI, in addition to the alleged note inside Isabel`s closet, we learn CPS had just left the home in the months leading up to Isabel`s disappearance. Are you learning anything about why CPS had been in the home? Child Protective Services.

GREG PAUL, REPORTER, 550 KFYI RADIO: Nancy, they`re not really saying. What they are saying was that CPS was there in December. Now CPS won`t even confirm that they were there. But the police they are the ones who confirmed that CPS has had involvement with this family. But they are tightlipped with any details about that involvement.

GRACE: And even in this hour, Greg Paul, the family has not been ruled out as suspects.

PAUL: That is correct. They are not saying that they are suspects but they are not saying that they`re not. So right now, everybody is a suspect.

GRACE: Back to Joe Vega, close friend of -- the self-titled close friend of the Celis family, he has spoken to Sergio Celis on many occasions in the recent days.

Weigh in, Vega.

VEGA: Well, you know, to me, close friends are not defined by whether you`ve been inside somebody`s house or not. There`s more to being friends than actually being inside their house or them being inside your house. You know it`s a connection you have with them, and that`s a connection Sergio and I have.

And I hear people saying, making comments about his demeanor during the 911 call. You know, that`s Sergio. I heard the 911 call. That is Sergio. That is him being calm, because his 10-year-old son is right there when he`s making the call. You know, he`s not going to go crazy with his 10- year-old son right there. You know? So that`s what -- that`s Sergio. You have to know Sergio.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS: Within 10 minutes, 911 was called. I even was in the living room watching the Diamondbacks game at midnight. I fell asleep.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tucson Police Department said, and I quote, "I don`t get the feeling that they have a sense of urgency."

S. CELIS: I never heard anything weird. So I was, like, just on the other side of the wall from her.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Law enforcement sources tell NBC News that Sergio - -

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Unleash the lawyers. Sue Moss, Richard Herman, Alex Sanchez.

All right, Sue Moss, have you ever seen someone who`s kind of under an umbrella of suspicion, take a lie detector, pass it. and not talk about it?

MOSS: Absolutely not. If they have nothing to hide they`re going to go public. And they need to go public because right now all the focus is on dad. And if he didn`t do it, he should want the resources to go to everyone else.

GRACE: Richard -- Richard Herman, why are you shaking around down there in your box?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Because I don`t think she knows too many people that took lie detectors, first of all.

GRACE: And passed.

HERMAN: Second of all, this whole thing --

GRACE: That may be true.

HERMAN: Yes. No, this whole thing about the closet, you don`t know if the brothers wrote it, if the prior homeowners wrote it, who wrote it, when it was written, how long ago. This whole thing in the closet is a red herring. That`s going nowhere.

(CROSSTALK)

HERMAN: Law enforcement is frustrated.

GRACE: Yes, well, you know what, speaking of red herrings, we were talking about the polygraph. What about it, Sanchez?

HERMAN: Yes.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, look, I don`t even know if he`s aware whether or not he passed the polygraph or not. The police are the ones that are aware of that. And they`re not releasing that information.

GRACE: I know that he took it.

SANCHEZ: Well, maybe he took it but they may not have informed him what the results were. And by the way, regarding that CPS investigation that had been conducted there, they must have ruled that those charges were unfounded because they took no action.

HERMAN: Right, right.

GRACE: You know what, the fact that CPS did nothing, it would stun me if they did anything in any case, no offense, Sophy.

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« Reply #831 on: May 18, 2012, 09:25:47 AM »

I believe that NG said that Isabel had a illness that only can be transmitted sexually and that was the reason that CPS was concerned about Isa?


WHAT?   

HUH?? 

I watched the NG Show...but I didn't hear anything about Isabel having an illness....maybe I missed it....when do the transcripts become available?

Here is the transcript:

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MARSHALL: Well, that is a very perceptive question because the question would be, why did she write it inside the closet, rather than on a piece of paper? And presumably, because she did not want it to be seen.

What would be interesting to know is, did this child write on the walls in other parts of the house? Did she write on things she wasn`t supposed to write on? And what was that symptomatic of? You know what`s going to tell us a lot about this, Nancy, is who filed the report. That`s where we`re going learn the most.

Was it the pediatrician? Was it a school teacher? Was it a neighbor? And what was the report based on? Was it neglect? Was a pediatrician reporting that this little girl had infections, feminine infections that a little girl shouldn`t have?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ng.01.html

This is just speculation on the part of Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst.   
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I want to know what the note said that Isabel wrote on the inside of her closet!


How much can a 1st grader write?  There written vocabulary is pretty limited at that time.  I could see her writing a few words:  help me, for example, but not anything that would specifically describe what was going on with her. 

JMHO!
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« Reply #833 on: May 18, 2012, 11:05:03 AM »

I want to know what the note said that Isabel wrote on the inside of her closet!


How much can a 1st grader write?  There written vocabulary is pretty limited at that time.  I could see her writing a few words:  help me, for example, but not anything that would specifically describe what was going on with her. 

JMHO!

Flutter,

Has the closet writing been confirmed?  Is it a rumor? 

I hate to go down the wrong road.

I saw on NG this idea on the writing, love NG, but...you know, rating's.  Sad


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« Reply #834 on: May 18, 2012, 11:13:29 AM »


The police are just as evasive in this case.

Granted, they have to withold information from the public to ensure the integrity of the investigation, facts only the perp would know, etc. 

I asked this question before, with all the time, manpower and resource$ to conduct a search in the "wash" area, running underwater sonar, this seems to me they are looking for a deceased individual.

Did the Celis's leave the game in 2 vehicles?

Did Rebecca leave with the 2 boys and Sergio leave, alone, with Isabel
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I cannot locate the source but I did read that Sergio and Isabel stayed behind at the park to clean up.

Somehow ... I believe that Sergio did return to the home with Isabel.

I realize that authorities have been silent in regards to the Moore surviellance footage but ... it makes sense if the footage revealed that Sergio returned to the home without Isabel ... Sergio would have been arrested by now.  Also ... Becky would have some explaining to do when her words on the 911 recording are considered ... words that imply she had contact with Isabel prior to her daughter going to bed.

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Celis 911 call: 'Someone broke in and grabbed her'
Posted: May 14, 2012 4:48 PM PDT
Updated: May 14, 2012 4:55 PM PDT


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Q – Okay, what is your name?

A2 – My name is Rebecca Celis. C-E-L-I-S.

Q – Okay. Anything else you remember she was wearing and her hair?

A2 – Her hair is in braids. It's in little ponytails, I made little ponytails on her head last night before she went to bed.

Q – Okay. And that was a Old Navy uh, shirt with a flag and navy shorts?

A2 – Yes

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http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18395708/celis-911-call-someone-broke-in-and-grabbed-her


Is surveillance video key to solving missing girl investigation?
Posted: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM
Updated: Apr 25, 2012 7:40 PM


TUCSON - Police are investigating hundreds of leads regarding the disppearance of Isabel Celis, but one business in the area may have a big key to help solve the puzzle.

Rick Moore of Moore Security Solutions has surveillance cameras placed right outside his company--a company that is just feet away from Isabel Celis' family home.

Rick Moore said his cameras were on the watch the night Isabel disappeared.

"And the cameras that we have located in the back were looking where a lot of things were happening," said Moore.

Moore said he believes these cameras provide more information to police than any other nearby camera because of their location.

"In terms of maybe license plate numbers, cars going by - these cameras also have infrared technology so you can see at nighttime and that will help too, since the abduction occurred between 11 and 8 o'clock," said Moore.

Moore said on Saturday, his general manager spent about five hours with police, showing them surveillance video of the area, and on Monday, they were back again to review video and get a copy of activity from 10 p.m. Friday night to 9 a.m. Saturday morning.

"There was activity going on," he said. "There were vehicles...there were people wandering around. There were things that we saw and we did get recorded so that information we did release to the police."

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« Reply #835 on: May 18, 2012, 11:18:01 AM »

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The chief also said Isabel's parents, Sergio and Becky Celis, have still not been ruled out as suspects.

"We have eliminated some family members as suspects," said Villaseñor, "and we have eliminated a lot of the sex offenders in the area" of the family's home in the 5600 block of East 12th Street.

Detectives continue investigating "external" leads that are away from the family, and "internal" leads - family members or persons known to the family, Villaseñor said in his Monday interview with the Star.

A week ago today, Sergio Celis voluntarily separated himself from contact with his wife and their two sons.

This happened after detectives developed information pertaining to the welfare of the boys and shared it with CPS. Villaseñor would not elaborate on the information developed by detectives.

Hawke said Thursday that the father is under no travel restrictions and that he and other family members continue to cooperate in the investigation.

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The chief also said Isabel's parents, Sergio and Becky Celis, have still not been ruled out as suspects.

"We have eliminated some family members as suspects," said Villaseñor, "and we have eliminated a lot of the sex offenders in the area" of the family's home in the 5600 block of East 12th Street.

Detectives continue investigating "external" leads that are away from the family, and "internal" leads - family members or persons known to the family, Villaseñor said in his Monday interview with the Star.

A week ago today, Sergio Celis voluntarily separated himself from contact with his wife and their two sons.

This happened after detectives developed information pertaining to the welfare of the boys and shared it with CPS. Villaseñor would not elaborate on the information developed by detectives.

Hawke said Thursday that the father is under no travel restrictions and that he and other family members continue to cooperate in the investigation.

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http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/police-tight-lipped-on-progress-of-isabel-case/article_910228ae-c75d-52bd-b1d0-10f3ea7b14ee.html

Funny, why would they bother to mention Sergio is under no travel restrictions?

They are tight lipped about so many things, why would this detail be made public?
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« Reply #837 on: May 18, 2012, 11:37:55 AM »

I want to know what the note said that Isabel wrote on the inside of her closet!


How much can a 1st grader write?  There written vocabulary is pretty limited at that time.  I could see her writing a few words:  help me, for example, but not anything that would specifically describe what was going on with her. 

JMHO!

Flutter,

Has the closet writing been confirmed?  Is it a rumor? 

I hate to go down the wrong road.

I saw on NG this idea on the writing, love NG, but...you know, rating's.  Sad




Just a rumor from what I have read.  I am not even sure of the source of the rumor, but it was part of the scuttlebutt on NG last night.   
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« Reply #838 on: May 18, 2012, 11:42:39 AM »

I can remember using my closet as a play area when I was a child.  I can also remember writing on walls.  The writing may not have come from the night that Isa disappeared.  It could have been there for months.  And it doesn't necessarily have to be complete words.  Little girls are known for drawing hearts and smiley-faces. 
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« Reply #839 on: May 18, 2012, 11:45:53 AM »

It should be interesting to see how things develop now that the family is living apart.  The money that was donated will now have to be divided.  That might cause issues if one adult is accustomed to having control of the finances.  A man living in his mother's home won't have nearly the expenses that a woman and two boys will have.
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