Lively Case Discussion #652 7/6 - 7/8/2007

[Nut44x4]

I think i posted this link about a week ago

June 9th arrest warrants for J2K and and on June 10 you have this from  the Aruban PM  (your have to click the Red Listen Button  ) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4697995
You have about a 15 sec. commercial 1st  then listen real close at about 1:45 into the clip at his Choice of words

Why in the world would the PM be so damned concerned about tourism being hurt at this time of the investigation.  This is Not a statement from the Police, Not a mayor, Not a Governor, Not even old Rubber Legs the Mouth piece at the time..
Something came out (more known)  when they were detained and made it to the TOP DAWGS within hours...

JMO of course

  it won't play...prob. someone deleted it just like a ton of other stuff is disappearing as of late. These sub-humans do not deserve to breath the same air that we all do. It all just makes me ill.

[Easywriter]

Around and around we go, but it always comes back to Joran-The-Liar!

[sharon]

Maybe I should clarify that...mentions money as in changing hands for a payoff.  I will look again.  There is mention that wampum is needed, but that appears to refer to the island being hurt in the form or tourism decline.

Why did the girl owe money?

Comment by Shango | June 26, 2005, 10:33 pm

[Easywriter]

Maybe I should clarify that...mentions money as in changing hands for a payoff.  I will look again.  There is mention that wampum is needed, but that appears to refer to the island being hurt in the form or tourism decline.

Why did the girl owe money?

Comment by Shango | June 26, 2005, 10:33 pm

Why did the car guy mention $50.00?

[Silverfox]

I think i posted this link about a week ago

June 9th arrest warrants for J2K and and on June 10 you have this from  the Aruban PM  (your have to click the Red Listen Button  ) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4697995
You have about a 15 sec. commercial 1st  then listen real close at about 1:45 into the clip at his Choice of words

Why in the world would the PM be so damned concerned about tourism being hurt at this time of the investigation.  This is Not a statement from the Police, Not a mayor, Not a Governor, Not even old Rubber Legs the Mouth piece at the time..
Something came out (more known)  when they were detained and made it to the TOP DAWGS within hours...

JMO of course

  it won't play...prob. someone deleted it just like a ton of other stuff is disappearing as of late. These sub-humans do not deserve to breath the same air that we all do. It all just makes me ill.

The link works fine for me... must have been a glitch....

But the point to be made is interesting...

Just 10 days into the investigation the Prime minister of Aruba is already concerned about Tourism?  

Of course, which is why he formulated the disinformation task force... the ATA... And it suggests he had inside information as to the truth and the real players and knew this might not go away - right?  So the best defense is a good offense and the ATA is formed, a long with a number of other things....

sick...

[Easywriter]

Questions, Questions, Questions....

What is this recent shit about?

[San]

Maybe I should clarify that...mentions money as in changing hands for a payoff.  I will look again.  There is mention that wampum is needed, but that appears to refer to the island being hurt in the form or tourism decline.

Why did the girl owe money?

Comment by Shango | June 26, 2005, 10:33 pm

Why did the car guy mention $50.00?

Because they went through her pockets and took what ever identification and money she had.  Deepak watched or helped do it.  He is not only a murderer but also robs the dead.

[Rob]

SF - the ATA was around in 2003. I think you are referring to the Strategic Task Force. That was the group operating behind the scene as early as 6-5-2005.

[Rob]

Questions, Questions, Questions....

What is this recent shit about?

I'm gonna tell you in a few minutes.. It will take a few minutes to type out.

[Easywriter]

Maybe I should clarify that...mentions money as in changing hands for a payoff.  I will look again.  There is mention that wampum is needed, but that appears to refer to the island being hurt in the form or tourism decline.

Why did the girl owe money?

Comment by Shango | June 26, 2005, 10:33 pm

Why did the car guy mention $50.00?

Because they went through her pockets and took what ever identification and money she had.  Deepak watched or helped do it.  He is not only a murderer but also robs the dead.

That has botherd me.  It sounded routine and 50 dollars was not much.  Like it was just another transaction.

[San]

I think i posted this link about a week ago

June 9th arrest warrants for J2K and and on June 10 you have this from  the Aruban PM  (your have to click the Red Listen Button  ) http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4697995
You have about a 15 sec. commercial 1st  then listen real close at about 1:45 into the clip at his Choice of words

Why in the world would the PM be so damned concerned about tourism being hurt at this time of the investigation.  This is Not a statement from the Police, Not a mayor, Not a Governor, Not even old Rubber Legs the Mouth piece at the time..
Something came out (more known)  when they were detained and made it to the TOP DAWGS within hours...

JMO of course

  it won't play...prob. someone deleted it just like a ton of other stuff is disappearing as of late. These sub-humans do not deserve to breath the same air that we all do. It all just makes me ill.

The link works fine for me... must have been a glitch....

But the point to be made is interesting...

Just 10 days into the investigation the Prime minister of Aruba is already concerned about Tourism?  

Of course, which is why he formulated the disinformation task force... the ATA... And it suggests he had inside information as to the truth and the real players and knew this might not go away - right?  So the best defense is a good offense and the ATA is formed, a long with a number of other things....

sick...

Because on the 10th day Deepak confessed and told everything that happened and who was present at the time.  Deepak is the only person who named Freddy, Koen, Sander & Steve Croes.  We don't hear anyone elses name as far as I can remember of being involved.  Deepak said Freddy needs to tell the truth and Sander & Koen need to be arrested also.

Oh of course I forgot to mention Deepak mentions the king pin himself Paulus Van der Sloot.

[San]

Maybe I should clarify that...mentions money as in changing hands for a payoff.  I will look again.  There is mention that wampum is needed, but that appears to refer to the island being hurt in the form or tourism decline.

Why did the girl owe money?

Comment by Shango | June 26, 2005, 10:33 pm

Why did the car guy mention $50.00?

Because they went through her pockets and took what ever identification and money she had.  Deepak watched or helped do it.  He is not only a murderer but also robs the dead.

That has botherd me.  It sounded routine and 50 dollars was not much.  Like it was just another transaction.

$50.00 is like $5.00 to people like Deepak.  I often wonder what they did with that money.  I bet Joran went gambling with it.

[Easywriter]

Why do I keep getting spam wanting to increase the size of my pecker?  My pecker is just fine and has amazed a few. I don’t want to become a circus act!

[justinsmama]

Why do I keep getting spam wanting to increase the size of my pecker?  My pecker is just fine and has amazed a few. I don’t want to become a circus act!

LOL!

[Easywriter]

Why do I keep getting spam wanting to increase the size of my pecker?  My pecker is just fine and has amazed a few. I don’t want to become a circus act!

LOL!

Someone asked about the poster.

[Easywriter]

do it to me one more time ~~~

[Rob]

Yesterday there was a series of quotes attributed to Beth and the incident with her and her two other GF's coming back from Hot Springs Arkansas. She  made a call and said she was not stopping and was driving very fast. No body just makes up that their daughter has been kidnapped in front of two friends unless it's true. I believe those two GF's know what actually happened. (interesting we do not know who they are or their accounts).

*Thanks Janet and all for those quotes.*

I have always believed those calls existed. I have a memory like a steel trap and remember most of what has occurred.

In the beginning of the case, Beth was met by a State Trooper and was escorted to the state line where she was met by another State Trooper (I assume from Alabama when she arrived back at her home state).

Beth indicated she and the trooper spoke. Meaning that they didn't just take her word and asked for proof. The proof was the phone call. As I recall Beth played the call for the trooper. He or she heard it and was convinced.

At that point the State Trooper believed Beth and they formed a small caravan to the state line.

Over the last year there have been a few civil suits to get the Kalpoes and  and the Sloots into court. (*Notice no attempts to get Steve Croes, GVC, Guido, or Lorenzo into court*).

Each of these attempts was dismissed for lack of convenience not based on the merit of the case itself. Those issues have not been argued and remain on the table for a future civil suit. (Who knows where that will take place???)

Here is the kicker- These cases were to be WRONGFUL DEATH. They were not sexual assault and the crimes leading up to the wrongful death. There was also denying someone their liberty resulting in DEATH.

How to conclusively arrive at the decision of WRONGFUL DEATH ?

Most here believe Natalee is dead. Even without a body we believe she is dead based on what we know. But that is not enough in a Court of Law. So there must be more that we do not know about. YET!

What piece of evidence must exist that we and no one else knows about yet?

It must be the phone call(s) and the origin of that call(s).

There is a time bomb coming and one that can't be denied.

Someone has the records (the real records) of the calls made by the VDS family and the Kalpoes on the night in question. And all of the lines they own.

I was probably the last person to believe the crime happened at the VDS home. Some of this was based on the fact that Deepak stated that he drove around CnC three times and was heading south toward Lorenzo's when he saw the ALE at the intersection at West Straat and LG Smith Blvd. He was heading in the opposite direction of the Sloot house.

I am now convinced that is where the crime happened. When Greta and Beth went to the VDS house in the beginning of the case. (Greta suggested that to Beth and they went over) They went into the house with out the camera and when Beth came out she made a statement and I believe Greta repeated it and said that Beth said - "I got what I came for".

What that actually means is up for debate. Could be that Monkey Mica. But that was seen from out side and not needed to be view from in the VDS home. So what ever it was, it convinced Beth that they were at the right address.

Recently the KLPD excavated the VDS home. They did a survey on the Kalpoe home and then left the island. Interesting that the KLPD did not tear up that Kalpoes and only that of that VDS home. They believe the crime happened there also. The web has narrowed and leads to the VDS home.

A lynch pin is needed in the civil suits. That lynch pin must be the phone calls and where the actaully came from. Someone else on the dark side must have some knowledge that these call DO exist and lead right to the VDS family.

I have no idea if this is in Beth's book or not. I would think it is devoid of these details and JQK will reveal them when the time is right and not before. He's not an investigator but a litigator. There is a difference. And a litigator is not needed if you know that the person is in fact dead. You need an investigator if you believe the person is alive and you are trying to locate them. Like Amy Bradley.

This is a huge trump card waiting to be played and should the case be closed or the suspects released....I believe it could come out. I also believe this is the reason the case is still open and it is an effort to stall those facts from coming out.

As Jug said - 'Should they release the suspects or close the case, we can reveal it all- and it would shock everyone - shock the world' (paraphrased).

Those in a position of authority know that phone records are not complete and this is a sticking point for the Aruban Authorities and the people wanting to shut that case down. How to do it without ending tourism forever.

[Rob]

Because on the 10th day Deepak confessed and told everything that happened and who was present at the time.  Deepak is the only person who named Freddy, Koen, Sander & Steve Croes.  We don't hear anyone elses name as far as I can remember of being involved.  Deepak said Freddy needs to tell the truth and Sander & Koen need to be arrested also.

Oh of course I forgot to mention Deepak mentions the king pin himself Paulus Van der Sloot.

Terrific points San. Very potent!

[Easywriter]

Under the boardwalk we will be having some fun ~~~

[nonesuche]

Under the boardwalk we will be having some fun ~~~

Easy     I can't dance this early


Rob - I think the actual saying is a memory like an elephant and a mind like a steel trap