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Author Topic: The Slaying of Trayvon Martin in Florida #3 7/12/12 - 6/14/13  (Read 257216 times)
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« Reply #860 on: June 07, 2013, 02:36:55 PM »

This whole thing reminds me of " Paul is dead" . The listener will hear what they want to hear.
Play it backwards and it says ' Florida is a bunch of crackpots".

 
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« Reply #861 on: June 07, 2013, 02:37:57 PM »

June 7, 2013 Tweets
https://twitter.com/tonypipitone


 Tony Pipitone ‏@TonyPipitone 3m
#georgezimmerman defense says it cannot understand the expert.

 Tony Pipitone ‏@TonyPipitone 13m
Now the key state audio expert: Alan Reich, who claims to hear #TrayvonMartin say, "I'm begging you."

 Tony Pipitone ‏@TonyPipitone 15m
Judge finds nothing in two batches of defense expert emails that must be turned over to state.
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« Reply #862 on: June 07, 2013, 02:44:10 PM »

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/06/03/george-zimmerman-murder-trial-jury-doesnt-know
Trayvon Martin | See all 268 items
Photos: What the Zimmerman jury won't know
The jury in the George Zimmerman trial will see a lot of evidence related to the night Trayvon Martin was killed -- but there's also a lot of very compelling and provocative information that the jury may never see.

June 7, 2013

 
Throughout the course of this trial, a lot of evidence related to the night of the killing will be presented in court. But there's also a lot of very compelling and provocative information out there that the jury will never see (at least not in court). Judge Debra Nelson already ruled that the jury will not hear evidence related to Martin's past, including his school suspension, prior marijuana use, history of fighting and his familiarity with guns. However, the judge did say that she may allow some of it in court if the defense can find a way around the hearsay rules of evidence. Many of these photos show Martin with drugs, smoking and holding a gun. They were taken from his cell phone.

Regarding Zimmerman's background -- his criminal past, including domestic violence allegations against him, will not be allowed in court.

During the trial, the jury also won't know what sentence Zimmerman is facing as they weigh the evidence and decide whether he's guilty of second-degree murder.



George Zimmerman trial: 59 evidence photos

 http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/06/03/trayvon-martin-crime-scene-evidence-photos-george-zimmerman?hpt=hln10_5
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« Reply #863 on: June 07, 2013, 02:46:19 PM »

June 7, 2013 Tweets (cont')
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Luis F Calderon ‏@CalderonDefense 10m
Reich cites some study regarding his voice identification as well, I would like to know who conducted the study he based his conclusions on
 Retweeted by Tony Pipitone

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« Reply #864 on: June 07, 2013, 03:02:47 PM »

Friday, May 7, 2013 Updates cont

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/07/live-blog-attorneys-vie-advantage-zimmerman-trial?hpt=ts1

2:56 p.m. ET: West is asking Reich if has reached a conclusion in this case. Reich said he came to tentative conclusion which means he believes there is a high likely hood that his conclusions are correct.

2:52 p.m. ET: Mantei has finished his questions for Reich, and now defense attorney West is about to ask him questions after the move the microphone for the phone.

2:50 p.m. ET: Reich concluded that the person with the scream that was higher pitched and very loud  was not George Zimmerman.   Rather, he said the words that were on scream level were "almost entirely of Trayvon Martin.

2:49 p.m. ET: It is difficult to understand Reich as he testifies over the phone. The court reporter has had to ask him to repeat his answers on occasion.

2:46 p.m. ET: Reich said he concluded that the voice screaming on the 911 call was not Zimmerman.

2:42 p.m. ET: Mantei is walking Reich through all the environmental factors that can affect the quality of an audio recording.

2:38 p.m. ET: Reich said he used software to analyze the 911 call, and he did not use anything new and novel in this case.

2:35 p.m. ET: Reich said he had to separate the screams from the background noise, and he is now discussing the methods he employed to analyze the recording.

2:32 p.m. ET: Reich is explaining how he analyzed the screams on the 911 call.

2:30 p.m. ET:  Alan Reich, Ph.D concluded that, among other things, that Martin was the person screaming in the background of the 911 call.  The Defense is calling into question the methodology which Reich used to form his opinion.

2:28 p.m. ET: Mantei has worked at the Universities of Iowa, Connecticut, and Washington. He has also worked as consultant analyzing "acoustic signals."

2:25 p.m. ET: Mantei is asking Reich about his education and his work experience.

2:24 p.m. ET: Prosecutor Mantei is calling Alan Reich to testify over the phone.

2:23 p.m. ET: The judge ruled that the defense's notes she just reviewed are work product, and don't need to be turned over to the prosecutor.

 2:22 p.m. ET: The just is still reviewing materials as the parties wait in silence.

2:16 p.m. ET: The judge is reviewing more materials as the attorneys wait in silence.

2:13 p.m. ET: The judge just reviewed emails from  defense experts to the defense to deterimine  what should be turned over to the State.  The Defense said they should be considered the experts  "work product" and they should not have to turn them overm and the judge agreed.

2:07 p.m. ET: Defense attorney West is reviewing some emails the judge wants to read.

2:03 p.m. ET: The judge is on the bench and the parties are discussing whether today's hearing should be continued.

Judge said let's see how far we get. She also said she normally believes in a 5 pm stop time, but can go to 6 pm tonight if warranted
 
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« Reply #865 on: June 07, 2013, 03:13:17 PM »

Recess 10 minutes

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3:10 p.m. ET: West is asking Reich about the standards in voice analysis. Reich said there is research that says a voice sample can be one second long, and that can be enough to conduct a proper analysis.

3:07 p.m. ET: Reich said it is possible to make out some of the background speech on the 911 call without amplification or enhancement.

3:04 p.m. ET: West is having Reich walk through how he analyzed the 911 call again.

3:03 p.m. ET: Reich said he does have a partial transcript of the 911 call, but he does not have it with him at this moment.

3:00 p.m. ET: Reich said he was able to identify speech in the screams on the 911 call. West wants to know if he has a transcript of the 911 call, but Reich said it is on going, but it is not complete.
 
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« Reply #866 on: June 07, 2013, 03:15:05 PM »

ooops...link to above  http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/07/live-blog-attorneys-vie-advantage-zimmerman-trial?hpt=ts1
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« Reply #867 on: June 07, 2013, 03:21:25 PM »

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-trial-audio-ruling-20130607,0,903275.story

George Zimmerman trial: Hearing on audio experts continues
2:51 p.m. EDT, June 7, 2013

Attorneys are back in court in the George Zimmerman second-degree murder case this afternoon, for a hearing to determine whether jurors will hear testimony about who was screaming in the background of a 911 call seconds before Trayvon Martin was shot.

This afternoon, Alan R. Reich, likely the state's most important and controversial expert witness, is testifying. He says it was likely Trayvon screaming in the background of the call, and claims to be able to decipher what the teen and Zimmerman were saying.

Among Reich's findings, according to his report: Zimmerman "makes a seemingly religious proclamation, 'These shall be,'" about one second into the 911 call, while simultaneously Trayvon yells a "distressed, and tremulous 'I'm begging you.'"

His report also says the last cry before the gunshot was likely Trayvon's voice, and the teen was yelling "stop."

In his testimony this afternoon, Reich said that "the words that were at a scream level were almost all" Trayvon, though he said that determination was tentative, because the conditions weren't ideal.

On cross examination, he elaborated that it is "not possible to reach a definitive conclusion" based on the audio available in the case.
 

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« Reply #868 on: June 07, 2013, 03:25:35 PM »

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« Reply #869 on: June 07, 2013, 03:44:13 PM »

Friday, May 7, 2013 Updates cont

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/07/live-blog-attorneys-vie-advantage-zimmerman-trial?hpt=ts1

3:40 p.m. ET: West asked Reich subjectively decides if a voice sample is valid or high enough quality for analysis.

3:36 p.m. ET: West wants to know if Reich follows any standards regarding the minimum length a voice sample can be for him to conduct a valid analysis. Reich seems to indicate that he does not follow a standard regarding the minimum length of a voice sample.

3:34 p.m. ET: Reich said the FBI's standard for a valid voice sample that can be examined should have 20 words.

3:31 p.m. ET: Judge Nelson is back on the bench. Reich is on the phone, and defense attorney is continuing his cross-examination.

3:11 p.m. ET: Court is taking a 10 minute recess.
 
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« Reply #870 on: June 07, 2013, 03:49:31 PM »

How many 911 calls did GZ make that night? I have only heard the one full version.

Unless the state has another one that has not been released to the public, I don't understand how someone can say they heard GZ say something he very clearly did not.

And in the 911 call where you hear a person screaming in the background, I believe it to be GZ screaming because he is getting hit etc.

I don't hear anyone saying "I'm begging you" or "stop" etc. unless they have some sort of machine that makes the 911 call more clearer.

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« Reply #871 on: June 07, 2013, 03:54:31 PM »

May 7, 2013 Updates cont

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/07/live-blog-attorneys-vie-advantage-zimmerman-trial?hpt=ts1

3:51 p.m. ET: Reich said the 911 call in Zimmerman's case provided enough audio to provide an analysis.

3:47 p.m. ET: Reich is having trouble hearing West, and he has asked West to repeat himself mutliple times.

3:43 p.m. ET: Reich said he has specific ways he conducts his analysis, and he says it difficult to establish a specific standards that would work for every case.

Reich also said he has no set standards when making speaker identification analysis.  He says he does not require  a minimum set of words or minimum duration of speech to reach a conclusion.

By comparison, the FBI requires 20 words and at least 16 seconds of speech
 
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« Reply #872 on: June 07, 2013, 04:07:43 PM »

May 7, 2013  Updates cont

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/07/live-blog-attorneys-vie-advantage-zimmerman-trial?hpt=ts1

4:05 p.m. ET: Reich is walking through the techniques he used to identify the speakers on the 911 call including a process that involves slowing the speech down, and comparing the different speach samples.

4:01 p.m. ET: West is asking Reich how he identified speakers on this recording.

3:58 p.m. ET: West is asking Reich how he enhanced some of the audio on the 911 call to analyze it. Reich said he do minimum enhancement on the audio to analyze, and basically all he did was increase amplification.

3:55 p.m. ET: Reich said he analyzed a recording of the 911 call the prosecutors provided to him.
 
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« Reply #873 on: June 07, 2013, 04:36:05 PM »

May 7, 2013  Updates cont

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4:33 p.m. ET: West is asked Nelson if he considered the fact that Zimmerman may have been punched in the face the night of the shooting, and it may have changed his speech or the nasal quality of his voice. Reich said he couldn't detect any nasality of the recording of the 911 call.

4:30 p.m. ET: After the prosecutor objected, judge Nelson reminded the defense again that the purpose of the hearing is to determine if the technology is new and novel in the field not about the opinion of the analysis.

4:26 p.m. ET: Reich said he will finish the transcript of the 911 call in this case in about a week.

4:24 p.m. ET: West is asking Reich how he bills his clients. He said he bills by the hour.

4:21 p.m. ET: Reich said he recieved about $2,000 working for the Washington Post analyze the 911 calls, and eventually someone from the state attorneys office contacted him.
 
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« Reply #874 on: June 07, 2013, 04:42:25 PM »

May 7, 2013  Updates cont

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/07/live-blog-attorneys-vie-advantage-zimmerman-trial?hpt=ts1

4:39 p.m. ET: Prosecutor Reich said he has completed his case on this issue. Judge Nelson asked West if he wanted to call another witness now or come in tomorrow morning and call a witness.

4:38 p.m. ET: Reich has completed his testimony.

4:36 p.m. ET: West is asking Reich to identify all the different people he heard on the 911 call. It seems like he could identify about 4 or 5 people on the recording.
 
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« Reply #875 on: June 07, 2013, 04:59:35 PM »

Friday, May 13, 2013  Updates cont

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06/07/live-blog-attorneys-vie-advantage-zimmerman-trial?hpt=ts1

4:47 p.m. ET: Judge Nelson said the defense has three more witnesses so the hearing will resume tomorrow morning at 9:30 a.m. ET. She is now listening to the defense's request to extend curfew for Zimmerman. Prosecutors are objected to the motion. Nelson said she would extend curfew to 10 p.m. ET, but said Zimerman can only leave Seminole County, Florida to only visit O'Mara's firm.

4:42 p.m. ET: The attorneys are at sidebar discussing how they want to proceed with the hearing.
 
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« Reply #876 on: June 07, 2013, 05:28:17 PM »

'These shall be" I say that all the time.
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« Reply #877 on: June 07, 2013, 05:46:22 PM »

If another expert can corrborate what this voice expert is saying then the audio should be played for the jury and expert analysis given.  If it is Trayvon's voice then he deserves for his last and final screams to be heard.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-911-call-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say?lite

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« Reply #878 on: June 07, 2013, 06:11:45 PM »

If another expert can corrborate what this voice expert is saying then the audio should be played for the jury and expert analysis given.  If it is Trayvon's voice then he deserves for his last and final screams to be heard.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-911-call-screams-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say?lite



I fear there could be a whole line of "experts" and some will say it's Trayvon and some won't.  Do we stop with one other expert or do we keep going?  It doesn't appear to me to be an exacting science at this time.  And if it isn't Trayvon screaming, then that's a real game changer.  George Zimmerman also deserves justice in the sense he should have a fair trial.  JMHO
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« Reply #879 on: June 07, 2013, 06:33:12 PM »

What if it is George Zimmerman crying out for help?  Don't his cries deserve to be heard too?  I don't have enough information yet to know what went on and I can't see how anyone else would either.   Some peoples minds are made up already.    There hasn't even been a trial.  We are in the very early stages of this case.  There has been so much misinformation bandied about.  If something is repeated enough times, then some believe it to be the truth when it hasn't been verified/authenticated etc.  Remember when it was put in the media George used the word "coon" and it went viral.  And it turned out he didn't say it.  But it seems to stick in people's minds. That was just one small example, there is more. 

This case is a real tragedy.  Yes, there was a seventeen year old shot to death and George Zimmerman pulled the trigger.  But how did it get to that point?  We don't know yet. 
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