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« on: May 17, 2012, 07:56:19 PM »

Please post transcripts pertaining to Isabel Celis's case in this thread.
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2012, 09:40:01 AM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/23/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Tucson Police Search for Missing 6-Year-Old
Aired April 23, 2012 - 20:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/24/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Landfill Search for Missing 6-Year-Old
Aired April 24, 2012 - 20:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/25/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Search Intensifies for Missing Tucson 6-Year-Old
Aired April 25, 2012 - 20:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Celis Neighbor Heard Dogs Barking, Men`s Voices
Aired April 26, 2012 - 20:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/27/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Police Examine Security Camera Video in Isabel Celis Disappearance
Aired April 27, 2012 - 20:00   ET
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2012, 09:44:25 AM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/30/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Tucson Police Continue Investigation Into 6-Year-Old`s Disappearance; Isabel Celis, 6-Year-Old Girl Still Missing; Isabel Celis` Parents Hiding from the Press
Aired April 30, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/01/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Police Look for Break in Case Similar to Celis Disappearance
Aired May 1, 2012 - 20:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Police Eye Male Cousin in Celis Disappearance; Cops Turn Focus on Missing Child`s Male Cousin; Baby Girl Goes Missing from Public Beach
Aired May 2, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/03/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Celis Parents Take Lie Detector Test
Aired May 3, 2012 - 20:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/14/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Father of Missing Child Barred From Home
; Girl Vanished from Bedroom; New Bride Found Dead after Wedding
Aired May 14, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET
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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 09:45:42 AM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/15/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Isabel Celis 911 Calls Released
Aired May 15, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/17/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Message from Missing Isabel Celis?
Aired May 17, 2012 - 20:00   ET
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2012, 10:57:40 AM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/23/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Girl, 6, Disappears from Bedroom; John Edwards Trial Begins; Zimmerman Free on Bail, Sheriff Resigns
Aired April 23, 2012 - 19:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/24/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Isabel Celis Highest-Profile Missing Case in Nation
Aired April 24, 2012 - 19:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/25/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Six-Year-old Vanished Home in the Dead of Night; Three-Year-Old Girl Vanished From On Vacation; New Questions in Kelli Bordeaux`s Disappearance; Pups for Sale; Mad Cow Disease Found at California Plant
Aired April 25, 2012 - 19:00:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/26/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
New Photo Key to Missing Soldier`s Disappearance?; Neighbor Heard Voices Outside Isabel Celis`s Window
Aired April 26, 2012 - 19:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/30/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Woman, 25, Found Dead in Mysterious Circumstances; Assault Reported in Area of Girl`s Disappearance
Aired April 30, 2012 - 19:00   ET
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2012, 11:01:21 AM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/02/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Family of Isabel Celis Questioned
Aired May 2, 2012 - 19:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/03/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Missing Girl`s Parents Decide to Speak; Deion Sanders Charged in Divorce Court, Jane Goes to the Food Co-op
Aired May 3, 2012 - 19:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/10/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Tapes Released from Night of Girl`s Disappearance;Fugitive Obsessed with Kidnapped Sisters; Fighting over Fracking; Jane`s Stress-Free Slim- Down Adventure
Aired May 10, 2012 - 19:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/14/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Isabel`s Dad Banned from Seeing Sons; Medical Mystery; Week 2 of Jane`s Weight Loss Adventure
Aired May 14, 2012 - 19:00   ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/15/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
What do Isabel Celis 911 Calls Tell Us?; Jane Sorts Through NYC Trash; Tone Up Tuesday
Aired May 15, 2012 - 19:00   ET
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 10:11:32 PM »

i just realized the link to the pdf,that i post in the video thread dosent work
if this link doesnt take you to the download/open doc pg,use the search
sentence i bolded,that should get you to the link

Transcript of 911 calls made by members of the Celis family
http://azstarnet.com/online/pdf/transcript-of-calls-made-by-members-of-the-celis-family/pdf_9aaeead6-9e46-11e1-8e9c-001a4bcf887a.html
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2012, 06:17:17 PM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1205/22/ng.01.html
NANCY GRACE
Parents Not Ruled Out in Celis Disappearance; New Phase in the Search of 6-Year-Old Isabel Celis; Missing Teen Sierra Lamar`s Mother Says She Won`t Give Up Search For Her Daughter
Aired May 22, 2012 - 20:00:00   ET
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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2012, 01:14:52 PM »

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
Blood Found in Isabel Celis House; More Info Revealed in Trayvon Martin Shooting
Aired May 25, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you from Los Angeles.

Hundreds and hundreds of pages of documents just released in the case of missing 6-year-old Arizona girl, Isabel Celis, and in those documents some real stunners. Reports claiming apparent blood, a child running in the dark, a mysterious debtor, and that`s just for starters. The very latest next.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, brand-new information in the disappearance of 6-year-old Isabel Celis. We`ve got new reports that cops found blood in Isabel`s house, and that`s just the beginning. Cops released hundreds of pages of records that include some stunners: reported claims of money owed to the family, and mysterious calls to cops.

Were footprints found outside Isabel`s house? Will all of this lead to a break in the case? We`re investigating.

And the Trayvon Martin shooting case just took a 180. Witnesses are reportedly changing their stories. And now we`re learning that accused shooter George Zimmerman felt that he was very friendly with the Sanford, Florida, cops who refuse to arrest him. What`s going on here? Is everything we know about this case changing?

And our new adventure to slim. How this former "Biggest Loser" winner lost 129 pounds. What`s her secret to keeping it off?

BECKY CELIS, MOTHER OF ISABEL: My husband loves those boys, loves my daughter.

(via phone) Hello.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ma`am, are you the mom?

B. CELIS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. What is your name?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My name is Rebecca Celis. C-E-L-I-S.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who noticed her gone, your husband?

B. CELIS: My husband. I went to work this morning at 7. She has brown hair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... at all?

B. CELIS: No. I didn`t hear anything at all.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police continue to re-interview neighbors. They`re hoping to contact about 120 people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We happen to have in excess of 540-some registered sex offenders.

ALICIA STARDEVANT, NEIGHBOR: My dogs were going crazy. Their dogs were going nuts.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There were some bones found earlier today, possible human remains. It`s still not definitively clear.

SERGIO CELIS, FATHER OF ISABEL: We will do anything for her. We are looking -- we`re looking for you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight police release massive amounts of evidence in the case of missing 6-year-old Isabel Celis. New information includes one staggering fact: that there may have been blood on the floor of the little girl`s bedroom.

This is an enormous download of information, hundreds of documents spanning the entire investigation that began five long weeks ago. Police only gave out a couple of hard copies of this evidence, so we`ve been working off published reports tonight.

The volume of information absolutely staggering, more than 550 pages - - 550 pages -- of police reports. The docs reveal this investigation has already cost over a million dollars, mobilizing hundreds of officers from various agencies.

Now this comes hot on the heels of the 911 call, which kicked off the frantic search.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You looked everywhere, under the bed, the closets, everything?

B. CELIS (via phone): Yes, I looked everywhere. I even looked -- the window`s out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

B. CELIS: Please hurry, please, and get here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re almost there, ma`am, OK?

B. CELIS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Where is your husband and your kids?

B. CELIS: They`re outside waiting for the cops.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

B. CELIS: Oh, my God.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Isabel`s mother clearly hysterical. From all the new evidence, this may be the key item: photos of the middle East bedroom in the Celis home include, quote, "views of apparent blood on the floor," end quote. That is Isabel`s bedroom. The one she was sleeping in when she apparently vanished.

So whose blood was found? When was it left there?

The evidence also states DNA samples were taken from Isabel`s parents and brothers. Their mouths swabbed and blood collected from Isabel`s parents, mom and dad.

Straight out to Claire Doan, a reporter for KGUN on the ground in Tucson, Arizona.

Claire, you`ve been pouring over these documents. What`s the most startling evidence that`s popping out at you tonight?

CLAIRE DOAN, REPORTER, KGUN: You know, you mentioned it, Jane. It is that blood that was found on pictures, apparent blood that they captured at that middle East bedroom.

But also, there wasn`t just blood in the bedroom. There was also what they considered red or brown stains found on items in the car near the Celis home: a white hat, vinyl shower curtain that had stains on them. And that is what police collected as well for evidence.

They found footprints, as well, around the home. Boot prints near the small electrical box also feet away, as well; footprints, as well, that could be consistent. So a lot of evidence found at the home that police have detailed in some of those records that were released today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I just want to clarify. You said something about blood and a car? Is that what you said?

DOAN: Blood in -- from a white hat, possible blood because it has red, brown or brown stains from a white hat, as well as from a vinyl shower curtain that police did get from inside the car that they took to their compound to analyze for evidence.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is that the Celis` car?

DOAN: Yes. From what we know of those documents, yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. Wow. Well, you know --

DOAN: Very startling information.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: People are wondering about -- stand by, because we`re going to come back to you. But people have been wondering about Isabel`s father ever since hearing this 911 call. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is mom there, also?

S. CELIS (via phone): She just left for work. I just called her, and I told her to get her butt home. (CHUCKLES)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. The dad is apparently heard chuckling, if you listen very carefully, as he reports his daughter missing. His tone has raised eyebrows.

And now the just-released reports reveal that a police officer was approached by somebody who claimed to be a friend of Isabel`s father, and that friend told cops, quote, "Something didn`t seem right about what was going on" and alluded that he believed the father was in some way involved.

Now I want to stress that nobody has been named a suspect. Nobody has been eliminated. But nobody has been named.

This person could some kind of busy body, somebody with a grudge, a total crackpot, somebody playing detective who has no evidence, but you`ve got to wonder about this comment.

So I want to go out to David Pike. We have an exclusive interview with Isabel`s neighbor, David Pike.

David, I understand that your boys played with Isabel`s brothers. Is that true, sir?

DAVID PIKE, NEIGHBOR (via phone): Yes, ma`am. We...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So -- go ahead.

PIKE: Yes, they -- early on a couple years ago they -- after they had moved in, they -- their younger boys and Serge Jr. were into BMX bicycles. So they came over and visited with my boys who were also into BMXs. And my older son, who`s now 18, talked to them about bicycles and went down to their house and visited with Serge Sr. and -- because he also rides bicycles.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Speaking of Serge Sr., what do you make of him? There`s a lot of -- obviously the police focus on who`s there first. They focus on the family first. What would you like to say about the father of missing Isabel Celis?

PIKE: In passing and seeing him walking back and forth to his mother and father`s house, which would be Grandma and Grandpa, who we`ve known for 16 years. And everything seemed -- and apparently, you know, the kids seemed like they were doing well prior to this incident taking place. Seeing them walking up and down the street with Isabel to Grandma and Grandpa`s house, riding on dad`s shoulders, typical, you know...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, David, did he seem like a good dad? Did he seem in any way, shape or form creepy or just like a good dad who was nothing to see here?

PIKE: No, not to us. We`re about five -- we`re five houses down from them on the same side of the street, and we`ve been here for 16 years. And they moved in about four years ago.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let me jump in and ask you. I just want to get a sense, because I`m not sure what you`re saying. Would you trust your kids with Isabel`s dad?

PIKE: I have trusted them down there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So how would you like to characterize him? What would you say if you were asked about him?

PIKE: He seemed like a nice person to me. Whenever I stopped by and visited him going in and out of the neighborhood, when he was out there with the boys or doing, you know, things in his garage, working on bicycles or whatever it was he was doing. I didn`t see a whole lot of Mom, because she worked all the time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s interesting, and I think it`s really important to get a balanced perspective on this. The Celis family started out quiet, but they`ve since opened up and they`ve talked to the media a lot.

Isabel`s mom has defended her husband after he was told to have no contact with his two young sons. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

B. CELIS: My husband is a great father. The kids -- my husband loves those boys, loves my daughter, is a great husband, a great -- a great father to the boys and to Isabel. And you know, at the end of -- at the end of the day when Isabel comes home, everybody`s answers -- or everybody`s questions will be answered.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But here`s another disturbing new piece of evidence. ABC News is reporting that one person interviewed during the investigation said that, quote, "a guy who was staying with the family owed someone a lot of money, and that`s why she was taken."

Extraordinary. Tanya Acker, attorney, your reaction.

TANYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: I think that one of the things that`s so striking about this case is that there`s all of this loose evidence, and this is particularly important. Who is this guy? Who is the person who gave the police information about his alleged debt that he owed? Who did he owe the money to? There are so many questions here.

We`re still early in the action. But, you know, the further -- the longer that we go on with this, the harder it becomes to get really firm answers. I think that it`s important that investigators pin this down as quickly as possible.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Is there a mystery person who owed the Celis family money? And, if so, why are we just hearing about it now? More on the other side.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

B. CELIS (via phone): I went to work this morning at 7, and I just -- and I didn`t even come and check on her. I should have come and checked on her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. All right. Take a deep breath, OK. I know it`s hard.

B. CELIS: Oh, no, I can`t even...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does she have a medical condition?

B. CELIS: No, she has nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m sorry, she has what?

B. CELIS: She has nothing. No medical condition. She`s healthy. No allergies, no medical conditions. She has brown hair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Didn`t hear anything at all?

B. CELIS: No, I didn`t hear anything at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Five hundred and fifty pages of new documents released in the disappearance of Isabel Celis. The headline: blood, apparent blood, found on the floor of her bedroom.

Forensic psychologist Brian Russell, isn`t, though, there an innocent explanation, given that young Isabel lived in the house?

BRIAN RUSSELL, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, you`re right, Jane. You could find blood in many homes in small quantities, in predictable places like the sink where people shave, for example. And so it`s all about the quantity and the location.

And I think the bigger bombshell tonight is the assertion that there may be a new player involved in this case that we`re just now hearing about.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, this apparent man who somebody mentions in these reports that allegedly, purportedly owes the Celis family money and may have been staying with him. And why are we just hearing about that now?

Now, some of the evidence lines up very carefully with the 911 calls. Listen to Isabel`s father and how he called in the disappearance of his daughter.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tucson Police Department.

S. CELIS (via phone): Hello, I need to report a missing child. I believe she was abducted from my house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How old?

S. CELIS: Six years old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, is it your daughter or...?

S. CELIS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why do you think she was abducted?

S. CELIS: I have no idea. We woke up this morning, and I went to get her up for her baseball game and she`s gone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Claire Doan, KGUN reporter, "The Arizona Daily Star" now reporting that, in one of these reports, a man says he flagged down a police officer and told the cop he had seen a little girl who appeared to be 6 or 7 years old, running down North Columbus Boulevard late at night. How close is this boulevard to where the Celis family is, and is this a credible report?

DOAN: You know, it is relatively close. It takes minutes to get from the house to Columbus Boulevard.

But police at this point are telling us they are checking every lead, no matter how ridiculous it is. No matter what, they are following up on it.

But what was really interesting in the reports, Jane, is that there was a man who also flagged police down and said that he actually knew the father, Sergio Celis, really well. Alluded to the fact that there was something going on, there was something strange there going on with the father. And he believed the father had some kind of involvement in his daughter`s disappearance. And he wanted to talk to detectives further about the information he had. And that was very interesting in some of the documents that we received today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and the other big headline -- David Pike, you are Isabel`s neighbor. Your boys played with Isabel`s brothers. This report that there was some guy staying reportedly, allegedly, with the Celis family, who owed them a lot of money. Have you ever heard anything about this claim before just now -- David.

PIKE: No, Jane. We knew that I believe Becky`s brother was staying with the family for a while, a year or so ago, and the boys had alluded that it was their uncle or cousin. And he was...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well -- go ahead.

PIKE: Yes, he was staying with them, but I think it was, like, maybe six or eight months. I`m not sure how long he stayed with them, but, yes, he was living there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tanya Acker, attorney, you`re here on set with me in L.A. You`ve covered so many of these cases. Should the police have let us know about this mystery figure beforehand?

TANYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: I think that the police should at the very least, before they let us know, they should have taken his statement. They should have found out who he was.

I mean, you know, it`s one thing simply to have these reports, to have these allegations, to have these third-party witness statements. But, you know, if there is a person who was in that house, the police, hopefully by this time, know who he is, have taken his statement, even if they`re not releasing that evidence to the public.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but when you hear these parents pleading for information, either the police are telling them don`t reveal that somebody was staying there allegedly, purportedly. Don`t reveal that somebody owed you money, or they`re holding it back intentionally. Or it just didn`t happen, and it`s a false report.

Either way it`s a confusing case. Police are working around the clock to find this precious child. We certainly hope they do.
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« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2012, 01:31:39 PM »

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NANCY GRACE
Apparent Blood Found in Missing Isabel`s Bedroom
Aired May 25, 2012 - 20:00   ET

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Tucson. A parent`s worst nightmare, Mommy and Daddy tuck 6-year-old Isabel into bed. 8:00 AM, she`s gone. She usually sleeps with her two brothers, but not that night. After a third search at the home and a landfill, police seizing fabric and pillows from the family car.

Then a stunning reveal from Tucson police that the parents have, quote, "no sense of urgency." Mommy and Daddy take polygraphs but won`t they passed. A secret home security camera trained on the path to Isabel`s window not working that night.

In a major twist, Isabel`s father banned from any contact with the two remaining young sons, Isabel`s brothers, Mommy and Daddy now living separately. We obtain 911 calls showing a stunning contrast between Mommy and Daddy, both on the 911. Daddy is calm, cool, even chuckling, this just moments after he discovers his 6-year-old girl is gone. Mommy, on the other hand, hysterical. We learned child services in the home just before Isabel disappears. And has Daddy lawyered up?

Bombshell tonight. A blood-like substance found in Isabel`s bedroom. Repeat, a blood-like substance found on the floor of the 6-year-old`s room. Similar stains, we learn tonight, also found on a white shower curtain stuffed inside that family car, luminol testing done throughout. And tonight, another clue. A man`s Wolverine brand boot prints discovered behind the home. Tonight, is there finally a crack in the case of missing 6-year-old Isabel?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SERGIO CELIS, ISABEL`S FATHER: Just please, please, to the person or persons who have Isabel...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just hearing about this for the first time...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) blood on the floor...

SERGIO CELIS: Tell us your demands.

BECKY CELIS, ISABEL`S MOTHER -- my husband. I went to work this morning at 7:00, and I just I didn`t even come and check on her (INAUDIBLE)

SERGIO CELIS: Tell us what you want.

Hello. I need to report a missing child. I believe she was abducted from my house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This new theory that somebody staying at the house may have owed somebody money and that the little girl was taken as a ransom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reported footprints on a utility box behind the home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you tell us how much money might be available if ransom ever happened to be paid, just hypothetically?

BECKY CELIS: Out of us?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

BECKY CELIS: Nothing. Nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nowhere in the documents, however, is there mention of a ransom or any notes found inside.

BECKY CELIS: (INAUDIBLE) can`t see anything else. And the door`s locked to outside (INAUDIBLE) come (INAUDIBLE) fence, or I don`t know what they did, but oh, my God!

If you know how we`re supposed to be acting, please let us know.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. A blood-like substance found in Isabel`s bedroom. Repeat, found on the floor of the 6-year-old`s bedroom. We are just learning that tonight. Similar stains also found on a white shower curtain stuffed inside the family car. Luminol testing done throughout.

And tonight, another clue. A man`s Wolverine brand boot print discovered behind the home. Is there a crack in the case? Where is 6- year-old Isabel?

We are taking your calls. Straight out to ABC News correspondent Neal Karlinsky. Neal, thank you for being with us. What can you tell us about -- first of all, I`m not crazy about the boot print. That could be anybody, anytime. I`m concerned about the blood-like substance found in her bedroom and what was on that white shower curtain and why was the shower curtain in the car?

NEAL KARLINSKY, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, a lot of good questions. I mean, we have 550 pages of police documents that are released, with all kinds of information, some of it relevant, some of it likely not.

But of course, the standouts do include what is described in the documents as photographs of a blood-like stain in a middle bedroom on the east side of the house. We know from witnesses, also from blueprints that we`ve obtained of the house, that that was Isabel Celis`s bedroom, the one with where there is the blood-like substance.

Now, what we don`t know is what the lab analysis told police, if, in fact, it`s come back yet, about what exactly that was. We do know they took DNA from all of the relatives. They took a toothbrush and a hairbrush from Isabel to make a comparison.

Is there a match? That is something that is not revealed.

GRACE: We also learned that there was, in fact, Neal Karlinsky, writing in her bedroom closet. We learned that, too.

KARLINSKY: Police scoured this house inch by inch. The writing on the bedroom closet, we have no reference point of that. Is that something a little girl writes on her wall or something more? There`s no indications of a ransom note...

GRACE: Neal...

KARLINSKY: ... or of anything like that.

GRACE: Neal?

KARLINSKY: Yes?

GRACE: Did your parents let you write on the wall?

KARLINSKY: I can`t speak for how other people raise their children.

GRACE: So that would be a no!

KARLINSKY: I`m the father of a 6-year-old. She does some things I don`t like her to do, also.

GRACE: Well, long story short, we learned that some type of message had been scrawled on the inside of the wall of Isabel`s closet. We are also learning a blood-like substance found on the floor of her room. And based on everything we know, based on the exterior of the home and the blueprint that we obtained, that is her bedroom.

What can you tell me -- Neal Karlinsky joining us tonight, everyone, ABC News correspondent -- regarding a white shower curtain in that family car, the red car that was parked in the driveway, the car that wouldn`t crank up, that nobody would use? That was parked in the driveway. We have video -- pull it, Liz -- of police removing fabric and pillows from the car.

Tonight, we learn that fabric is a white shower curtain with similar stains on it, blood-like stains on it.

KARLINSKY: Yes. This is very curious. I was there right after the disappearance for more than a week, and we watched police just tearing apart that red car, just going through it methodically day after day. Now we know from these documents they did, in fact, find what they describe as a white hat and also a shower curtain inside with a brown or reddish-brown substance on it.

Of course, that leads you to be curious as to whether that`s blood. They say that it wasn`t field-tested. Again, we don`t know what the lab results were on that. But as you mentioned, we have been told by police sources that red car never left the house. It was actually parked off to the side of the driveway, sort of adjacent, and we`re told it didn`t run.

GRACE: Well, I want to go to Dr. Bill Lloyd, board-certified surgeon and pathologist. Dr. Lloyd, thank you for being with us. We know that white shower curtain was stuffed into the car, OK? All this occurred -- Isabel`s disappearance occurred between 11:00 PM that night and 8:00 AM, when her father discovers she`s gone. To our knowledge, no one left the home during the night.

If the shower curtain was removed from the home that night, where else would there be to stuff it, the trash or a car that doesn`t work, that nobody will think to look in? The mom wouldn`t look in it. The dad wouldn`t look in it. So if you have this shower curtain it can be stuffed in the car and no one would think to look there for a period of time because the car didn`t work. So why was the shower curtain stuffed in the car?

But my question to you, Dr. Lloyd, is this. Police chose at that moment not to field-test the shower curtain. But there`s a reason for that. Their reasoning, Dr. Lloyd -- and I want your thoughts on this -- is that they wanted that shower curtain in as much -- as close to the condition they found it as when the lab got it. They didn`t want to touch it. They didn`t want to handle it. They didn`t want to destroy any evidence. They saw it, they seized it, they sent it to the crime lab.

Was that a mistake, or would you agree with their decision, Dr. Lloyd?

DR. BILL LLOYD, SURGEON AND PATHOLOGIST: No, that`s standard protocol, Nancy. They want a very contained environment when they unravel and open up that shower curtain. It`ll be just as important to retrieve fingerprints as it will be to test whatever substance is on the shower curtain.

That takes time. It takes a controlled environment. They don`t want anybody else`s fingerprints on that shower curtain, as well. Once the fingerprints are captured, then they can go about testing the stain, take small samples and reconstitute that to identify, is this blood, and then test for blood antigens to identify whose blood it is.

And remember, Nancy, I bet you that car was locked. Whoever put that shower curtain in the car had to have a key.

GRACE: You know what, Dr. Lloyd? I just wrote the question, Who had access to the car? Because that car was always parked. I confirmed that with the next-door neighbor. And she told me that car had never been moved in all the time she had lived there. To my understanding, it didn`t work or it didn`t crank. I`m sure it was locked. The reality is...

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GRACE: ... had a key.

LLOYD: ... the shower curtain. Testing for blood rescue, you need a dark environment. Nancy, you can only do it once. You can only test for luminol once, then the reaction is over. So you have to be ready to view it in the dark and to have your photographic apparatus all set up. Again, a controlled environment is the best way to capture solid evidence.

GRACE: Apparently, Dr. Lloyd, when they saw it, they recognized a similar stain on the shower curtain and what they saw on the floor in Isabel`s bedroom. And we`ve been told that was a blood-like substance on the floor of her bedroom. They could, I think, have taken a scratch of it for a field test, but why bother? I agree.

And if you see that video again, Liz, please, they all have on their latex gloves. They`re not leaving fingerprints. God help (ph) them. So they wouldn`t have been contaminated in that way.

Everybody, we are taking your calls. To Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. What more do we know, Alexis?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: You know, Nancy, there was even more potential blood evidence found in another car. They found a small spot of blood on the front seat of the car. This is another -- so that`s three examples of potential blood that they found in Isabel`s residence.

GRACE: You know what? I`ve got a problem with that car, Ellie Jostad, because I don`t understand -- there`s two cars in play here...

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right.

GRACE: ... the car that -- the red, I think, is an Acura Integra...

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: ... old model, right there parked in front of -- beside the home. It`s always there. I think it doesn`t crank. That`s where they got a shower curtain, a hat, which many people believe to be a shower cap. I`m going to go back to Karlinsky on that in just a moment.

But then there`s another car, Ellie, that they say they did luminol tests on.

JOSTAD: Right.

GRACE: What is that? Where does that car fit into the scenario?

JOSTAD: Right. Well, that`s the other car that`s involved here. It is a Toyota Corolla. Apparently, they did a luminol test and there was a stain in there that had a positive reaction to the luminol when it was examined under an ultraviolet light. We don`t know, though, whose car that is or where the car was in it relation to the house.

GRACE: Neal Karlinsky, ABC News correspondent, is joining us right now from the field. Neal, what do we know about this second car in which they did a luminol test with a positive result?

KARLINSKY: So there`s two cars. There`s the red car you`re talking about. That just sits on the side of the house.

GRACE: Right.

KARLINSKY: It does not go anywhere. There is the car in the garage. We`re told that`s a Toyota Corolla the family apparently drives. And the luminol test, the positive result for blood was on the driver`s seat -- the driver`s seat. I think that`s critical.

I want to make one other point, Nancy, about the blood found in Isabel`s bedroom, or what appears to be blood. If you remember back early on in this case, police were wrapping up their search of the house. They were going to give it back to the family.

Then they came out and told reporters that some of the new dogs that were brought out by the FBI lab in Quantico hit on something in her bedroom, and that led them to search her house further for another 24 hours. It looks like possibly that could be the stain they`re now talking about in these documents.

GRACE: At this hour, the search is on for 6-year-old Isabel. And tonight, blockbuster evidence that we have just obtained, including blood evidence, possible blood evidence, and also boot print evidence. Police have narrowed it down to what they believe, Wolverine brand boot prints behind the back yard.

Let`s see a mock-up of the Wolverine boot print, please, or the Wolverine boot. OK, and also, take a look at those shoes being worn by dad, Sergio Celis. What does that look like to you, Jason Oshins?

JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Looks like a Wolverine boot print right there. So you know, as you`re looking at that, you certainly give pause. You`ve got a lot of evidence working here against Mr. Celis for the moment, and it seems to be mounting. But the point we must remain (SIC) is that police have got to be fair. They`ve invested a lot of money on this.

GRACE: Another issue is a lot of boots can look like a Wolverine. You have to make a test inside of a lab to match up any boot print. We don`t know whose boot print that was, and even if it was Sergio Celis`s boot print, he has a right to be in his back yard, people.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isabel Celis disappearing from her family`s Tucson home.

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

SERGIO CELIS: I want to report a missing person, my little girl who is 6 years old. I believe she was abducted from our house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A witness telling them that a guy who was staying with the family owed someone a lot of money, and that`s why she was taken.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anybody who would hold a grudge against you for any reason?

SERGIO CELIS: No.

BECKY CELIS: No, that`s the whole problem is that we don`t understand why or how we made Isabel a target.

SERGIO CELIS: To the person or persons who have Isabel, tell us your demands. Tell us what you want.

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GRACE: And tonight, we learn from volumes of police documents that a neighbor said they think this was some kind of retribution for money owed by a relative living in the home.

Now, we know of a cousin living in the home. Ellie, was it a cousin or the brother of Sergio Celis?

JOSTAD: It was a cousin. And I believe it is actually on Becky Celis`s side of the family.

GRACE: OK. Unleash the lawyers. Eleanor Odom, death penalty- qualified prosecutor, Karen Conti, defense attorney, Chicago, Jason Oshins, defense attorney, New York.

Eleanor, all this business about it was for a debt or a drug debt -- BS. That only happens in the movies. And number two, if it was, where`s the ransom? Where`s the ransom request?

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Exactly, Nancy. That`s just sort of a bogus theory that`s going out there. People take children -- and I hate to say it, but they only take them for one reason, Nancy, to sexually abuse them because why else are you going to take a small child? There`s no note. There`s no nothing. And this is what is so frightening about these cases. It`s abuse, and often murder.

GRACE: Jason Oshins?

OSHINS: Eleanor is right on target. I mean, there`s no other -- ransoms are from the movies. I mean, that`s the only place that they sit well. They -- it doesn`t occur in modern times. It`s for sexual purposes, and that`s the unfortunateness of this abduction.

GRACE: Karen Conti?

KAREN CONTI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It looks to me like they`re just trying to divert attention -- We didn`t do anything, it`s the guy who`s owed money. So I agree with the other lawyers.

GRACE: To you, Caryn Stark. The reality is that when you think back on all the cases you`ve covered and analyzed, how often do you really see anyone kidnapped for money, a legitimate ransom case, or payback? I mean, this is not a Colombian drug lord case, OK? He worked as a dental assistant.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: That`s the whole point, Nancy. It would make a lot more sense if this was a very wealthy family. So no, we see kidnappings so that people can take the child and abuse the child, sometimes turn them into a slave, as we`ve seen in some cases, but not for money. It doesn`t make any sense at all.

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911 OPERATOR: Any marks, scars?

BECKY CELIS: Other than the window out, I can`t see anything else. And the door`s locked to outside, so they had to have jumped over the fence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can see that it would quite simple for someone to get over this wall directly to Isabel`s bedroom window.

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GRACE: Straight out to Neal Karlinsky, ABC News correspondent. Neal, what can you tell me about these footprints police say are Wolverine brand boot prints?

KARLINSKY: Apparently, they were on a utility box behind the house. Now, as you know, there`s a wall that goes all the way around the house, and depending on where in the house you are, the wall is actually higher or lower because the ground is at different heights.

You know, it`s a working-class neighborhood. That boot, as you said, it could belong to anyone. I`m sure police are analyzing that. But that back side of the house where they found the boot prints is also an alleyway. That`s where all the garbage was, and there was a lot of traffic going through there.

GRACE: Hey, take a look at your monitor if you can, Neal. We`ve got Greg Overzat, our producer, just stood up on the very box they`re talking about.

Neal, were any of these boot prints found in between the house and the wall? Because right now, I`m understanding boot prints on that box, which looks over the fence -- it`s on the other side of the wall away from the home.

KARLINSKY: Well, I can`t see the monitor that you have, but they did find other prints. And dogs certainly tracked to a house on the other side. But you know, police were scouring every house in this neighborhood. I mean, you had a high-level sex offender five doors down to the right as you walk out of the Celis door, 17 within a three-square-mile area.

We watched police interview and reinterview and go through homes all throughout there. In some of these documents, they talk about finding substances in the homes that they want to test and see if they`re blood or not. But it`s all incredibly random, and without the lab analysis, we don`t know what they found.

GRACE: To Jean Casarez, legal correspondent "In Session," joining us from the field. Jean, what do you know?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Well, you know what`s interesting is that Sergio Celis, who we thought was the last one to have seen his daughter, said to investigators that he fell asleep on the couch, went to his bedroom at 5:00 AM in the morning and did not check on Isabel.

GRACE: Repeat, Jean.

CASAREZ: That he fell asleep on the sofa watching, we believe, the Diamondbacks baseball game rerun, woke up at 5:00 AM, went to his bedroom, did not check on his daughter. So when was the last time Isabel was even seen by a family member, 10:30 at night?

GRACE: You know what? You`re right, Jean. And Jean, what is your understanding as to where these Wolverine brand boot prints are found?

CASAREZ: On the utility meter box. And a meter box, we saw, is outside the property, and then there are some footprints about five feet away. And a meter box could be used to get up and over, so that is true.

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CASAREZ: Here`s what I`m so concerned about...

GRACE: ... on the other side of the wall, Jean?

CASAREZ: And that`s a question and I think that`s an important question. Were those boot prints on the other side of the wall? Were they found there?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell us your demands. Tell us what you want.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New evidence police have revealed from inside her own home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The room with the apparent blood, according to a blueprint of the house, is the missing 6-year-old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is mom there, also?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She just left for work. I just called her and told her to get her butt home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is Sergio. That is him because his 10-year- old son is right there when he`s making the call.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From early on, very early on, there`s been talk of ransom.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If there were demands, please let us know something. Let us know something. Why is this happening? What is the reasoning behind it?

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GRACE: And there you hear the only reference about demands made by Sergio Celis, the father.

Out to Neal Karlinsky, ABC news correspondent.

Is that where all of this is coming from, this line of investigation regarding a ransom demand because Sergio Celis and the public statement he made refers to what are your demands?

NEAL KARLINSKY, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: It`s unclear. It`s interesting. I was standing right in front of him when he said that and a lot of people were finding that curious. It`s something you hear more about in television shows, in the movies, and we were wondering where that came from.

In the police reports we know that the report of someone in the house owing money, and that`s what this is all about, according to the report. That comes from a witness, not a family member, in a statement to police. We don`t know the veracity of it.

GRACE: What can you tell us, Neal Karlinsky, about the dogs that searched the various homes?

KARLINSKY: This is interesting because we spoke, when I was there, to the next door neighbor who lives in a bedroom that is immediately a few feet across from Isabel Celis` bedroom. She told us, she tells police in the reports we now have that at 6:30 a.m., she was woken up by dogs barking loud, going crazy, she said, and we know that`s her dog and also dogs in the Celis home. More than one they had that barked routinely.

She also heard men`s voices. There are other reports of dogs barking.

Sergio, however, talks about waking up on the couch at 5:00 a.m., walking back to bed, not waking up until after 7:00, and he says he didn`t hear a thing. He didn`t hear any dogs.

GRACE: You know what, we spoke to her and she confirms what you`re saying, and your point is?

KARLINSKY: Well, why would he have not heard dogs? It seems to be an odd mismatch there between someone who is right next door and other neighbors and someone who was inside the house and who even concedes to police that his dogs bark at the drop of a hat.

GRACE: You`re right, Neal. With me ABC news correspondent Neal Karlinsky.

Out to lines.

Susan in Missouri. Hi, Susan. What`s your question?

SUSAN, CALLER, MISSOURI: I was just wondering if they ever said what was written inside of the encloses.

GRACE: No, they have not, Susan. We are still trying to find out.

Out to Wendy in, Ohio. Hi, Wendy. What`s your question?

WENDY, CALLER, OHIO: Hi. My question, if the blood was found inside the house, it`s surprising nobody would hear like, you know, a child being hurt, you know. So like, you know, I`m just wondering if the family or someone was in the house, you know, that night.

GRACE: Good question. I want to go to Bill Lloyd on that. But I want to quickly follow up on the blood. The blood like evidence found in the home, with renowned professor of forensic science out of the university of new haven, with us tonight, Dr. Henry Lee.

Henry, thank you so much for being with us.

HENRY LEE, PHD, RENOWNED PROFESSOR OF FORENSIC SCIENCE, UNIVERSITY OF NEW HAVEN: You`re most welcome.

GRACE: Dr. Lee, what do you make of the police decision not to field test the blood like substance found on the shower curtain stuffed in the family car?

LEE: OK. It`s pretty simple, Nancy. Basically here must be a small amount of blood, minutia amount of blood. Usually make the decision if we do the field it test, you are going to exhaust it, use up all the sample that will prohibit the future to do DNA. More likely to collect the whole item a modest sample must be very small. It took them almost a month to find out that`s blood.

Now, the next thing is this human blood? If it`s human blood, we`ll have to do some DNA. It`s her blood or somebody else. Also, we have to look at the blood, is this whole blood? It (INAUDIBLE) means, it may be washed. And, of course, we`ll look at the pattern. Is that an impact spatter pattern or a blood dripping or a transfer pattern?

So, very important thing they have to do. Of course given that`s her blood, this is occasional contact, transfer on the surface quite a while ago or very recent. Just like you measure the shoeprint that`s not really a footprint. That`s a shoeprint and the shoeprint, no, that`s two dimensional, three dimensional. It`s the indentation on the flat print. Of course we can look at the size and look at the width and determine more likely the individual`s height and the weight and, of course, trace the brand name of this shoeprint, determine what type of boots. Because so many different work boots, now we have a database of the work boot that`s easy to track down.

GRACE: To Dr. Bill Lloyd, I want to go back to Wendy in Ohio`s question, Dr. Lloyd.

She asked if there had been a death or injury resulting in blood being spilled on to the floor of Isabel`s room, why wouldn`t anyone else hear it, Dr. Lloyd?

DOCTOR BILL LLOYD, M.D., BOARD CERTIFIED SURGEON, PATHOLOGIST (via telephone): Well, that`s the great mystery, Nancy. There are stories about dogs barking like crazy in the middle of the night. Dad is sleeping on a sofa just a few feet away from her. There are so many of these puzzle pieces that don`t fit together.

GRACE: But wouldn`t you agree there are ways for blood to be spent without noise?

LLOYD: Well, certainly. If you have someone silenced with a hand over the mouth, et cetera, and you`re injuring them enough to draw blood, you know, it`s possible if they were unconscious or drugged it would also be possible as well.

It would also be possible to date how long that blood has been there. Was it blood from perhaps a previous abuse event, or was it the current event that we`re talking about that led to the disappearance of this poor girl?

GRACE: To Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation.

Marc, what do all of these developments mean to you?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT, FOUNDER, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, there`s a couple of things. First of all, the police might very well have told Sergio and Becky to be aware of the fact that somebody might call in with some kind of ransom demand. They certainly did that in our case.

Secondly, I said this many times, Polly`s mother slept through the entire kidnapping incident and she was mere feet away from Polly`s bedroom at the time. So I think these are things that need to be -- there`s something I have to say here, Nancy.

Today is national missing children`s date. And it`s national missing children`s date for a specific reason. President Ronald Reagan felt that child safety should be a national priority and that was based upon the kidnapping of Etan Patz which happened exactly 33 years ago today.

And I`ve heard more than once through this investigation, even today, somebody bringing up the cost of this investigation, that the police have spent so much money looking for this little girl. I never hear that in any other crime, the reference to the kind of money that`s being spent. And I`m absolutely insulted that anybody, whether it`s a cop or a reporter or anybody else would start making this connection between the amount of money that`s been spent on this investigation and the fact this little girl is not missing.

Their job, the police`s job, is to find and secure and keep us safe. It`s not to be bookkeeping. And I think anybody who is following the dollars and cents in this case has their priorities very mixed up.

GRACE: You know what, Marc Klaas, I heard the same thing and my response was equal to yours. The reality is I`m paying half my money to taxes. I`m happy that it`s being spent to try to find Isabel as opposed to paying some fat cat laid up kicked back on Capitol Hill spending my money. All right?

So they`re going to take our money whether we like it or not. And don`t get me wrong, IRS, I`m OK with it. But, what I`m saying is, good, spend it to find Isabel Celis. That`s how I feel about it, Marc. And I`m pretty sure you agree with me.

I want to go back to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent "In Session" joining us from the field right now.

So many developments. What do we know about Luminol tests in a red Toyota? We`ve now learned there is the car parked in the driveway, which is the a Acura Integra, and then the other car where Luminol results were positive, parked in the garage.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: You know, there`s so much, Nancy, we learned from the beginning that now we can put together with some of the information from the reports. The red car that had the smashed in windshield that it doesn`t move, it tested positive with Luminol in the driver`s seat area. And we also know that pillows and a blanket were taken out of that vehicle.

Unleash the lawyers. Eleanor Odom, Karen Conti, Jason Oshins.

To Eleanor Odom, what now?

ELEANOR ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, what they`re looking at now are the people closest to Isabel. That`s nothing to get upset about. That is normal in these cases just like a ransom note is kind of TV stuff, so is a stranger coming in and abducting. I mean, the odds are against that. It happens. Don`t get me wrong as we`ve seen with Polly Klaas and others. But that`s why they look at the inner circle first and that`s what they`re focusing on.

GRACE: Jason?

JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t disagree with Eleanor by the same token, we`re not going to just expediently go move against the father.

GRACE: You already said that Oshins.

OSHINS: It sort of looks like that from --

GRACE: We`re talking about the truth.

OSHINS: I understand that. And we`re determined --

GRACE: Your theories what may or may not come into evidence. We`re not in a courtroom. You`re sitting in a TV studio.

OSHINS: I understand.

GRACE: And we can talk about the facts. There`s nobody here to suppress the evidence, Jason Oshins, so don`t start.

OSHINS: We`re not suppressing anything, we`re trying to be as broad as we can be and not narrow our focus to just the father.

GRACE: Conti?

KAREN CONTI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think we need to look at what the department of family service is doing, keeping the father away from those boys. Why are they doing that, Nancy? And I think they`re doing that because the father might be trying to poison those boys into not talking and telling the truth.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still no sign of Isabel --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 911, what`s your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want to report a missing person, my little girl. I believe she was abducted --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I got woken up by my dogs. They were barking their heads off. Their dogs were just going crazy, too.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Protective services banned Sergio from having contact with his children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are cooperating to the fullest extent. We will not stop looking for you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: We are live and taking your calls.

Out to Lori in West Virginia. Hi, Lori. What`s your question?

LORI, CALLER, WEST VIRGINIA: Did the parents ever say anything about the polygraph test?

GRACE: Oh, Lori of West Virginia, you know, you really crack me up on that one.

No, they did not, and they have been asked point blank. Pull the sound, Liz.

You know, to Susan Constantine, body language expert, you have observed them over and over and over and analyzed them for us. Have you noticed how the mom a lot of times when they`re asked a question they`re always sitting together, she typically will have her arm over his arm --

SUSAN CONSTANTINE, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: Yes.

GRACE: A lot of times when they ask a question, she looks up at him as if -- you take it or she`s looking to him for guidance. I`m an amateur. What does that really mean?

CONSTANTINE: Well, she`s looking, you know, to see his response. And the other thing is, you`re right, that his hand is underneath hers. She is actually more in a dominant role, but when you see when he`s getting ready to sit down, he sits down very slowly. He moves -- his movements are very slow and kind of sheepish. So what I`m looking at here is when she`s looking --

GRACE: Go ahead.

CONSTANTINE: OK, when she is looking at her husband or he`s looking at his wife, he`s actually looking at her response to see how he`s going to respond.

GRACE: To Marc Harold, former APD, author of "observations of white noise." What do you think about the developments, Marc?

MARC HAROLD, FORMER OFFICER, ATLANTA PD, ATTORNEY: Well, I don`t think the boot prints much of anything. It doesn`t tell us a whole lot. I think the idea that this is about ransom, I agree. I think you have to look just like everyone has said even if you don`t like to say it, you have to look at the people in the house, the people closest to the victim, and go from there. I think at this point they`re trying to use the physical evidence to ex clues people and then try to focus in on someone. But, I don`t think they have anyone they are really focusing in on yet. They are waiting for the lab results.

GRACE: You know, back to you, with us renowned professor of forensic science, Dr. Henry Lee.

Dr. Henry Lee, I hate to bring up bad memories of that double murder that you helped get acquitted, Orenthal James Simpson, but, let`s talk about footprints again. The Bruno Mali footprints.

LEE: Right.

GRACE: Go ahead, sir.

LEE: Nancy, you remember two type of shoeprints, one is Bruno Mali, the second one, the Bruno Mali is 14, size 14, and the second type of bloody shoeprint which is parallel size 10 which clearly tells us could be two individuals.

GRACE: And I think I know who one of them is. How are we going to get footprints in this case?

LEE: This case we should look at that shoeprint near -- near -- the wall, whether or not we can find similar shoeprint inside the house or next neighbor`s or any so-called linkage theory you can link together. Then, of course, the luminol which you just mentioned is on the front seat. We don`t know it`s in the back of the seat, how big it is, yet still have enough DNA to link that.

GRACE: Luminol shows a host of substances. It doesn`t have to be blood, does it?

LEE: Definite. Definite. You are smart. But, however, in a car seat, unless somebody used detergent or peroxide to clean up the car. So that by itself is becoming important. So a lot of physical evidence we have to look at.

The last time we talk about it or when you were asked the question as trace evidence could be the key of this case. Any hairs. Nip dust particle or pollen particle can give us clue.
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GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Eleanor Odom, Karen Conti, Jason Oshins and also, Caryn Stark.

Let`s go crazy.

OK, Eleanor Odom, have you ever tried a footprint case? Because, you know, I know it`s been done, but that print could have been left by anybody.

ODOM: Well, believe it or not, Nancy, I have tried one that had a footprint in it. But, what we also had was other evidence.

GRACE: Yes.

ODOM: That`s one piece of the puzzle. And that makes it great.

GRACE: Oshins?

OSHINS: Only to disprove. Prosecutor produced it. We were able to segment it out. It had nothing to do with it.

GRACE: You were able to segment it out? Did you get an acquittal?

OSHINS: We did.

GRACE: What`s the name of the case?

OSHINS: I don`t want to discuss it in public.

GRACE: Yes. you can`t remember because it didn`t happen.

OSHINS: It`s too old, Nancy, like me.

GRACE: Karen Conti?

CONTI: I`m not finding that jury is always buy that footprint evidence. You know, one way or the other because it can be manipulated. So, again, I believe there has to be other evidence with it.

GRACE: Yes. I think you`re right. And Caryn Stark, that can be behavioral evidence.

CARYN STARK, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: When we look at this father in particular, Nancy, he`s not allowed to visit his sons. There`s a past history. He doesn`t make sense even when he`s asking for, what are your demands? There are things that are confusing to me about him.

GRACE: Well, another thing is, you know, if they passed the polygraph, then put it out there. How`s that going to hurt the investigation? Back to Wendy`s question. And if you failed it, then there`s a problem. So those are the two choices in that answer.

STARK: And if they passed they would have it out there.

GRACE: You`re right, Caryn Stark.



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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Pranksters Pretending to Be Missing Girl Arrested; Pediatrician Arrested, Charged with Waterboarding 11-Year-Old Daughter; Rihanna Speaks Out

Aired August 16, 2012 - 19:00:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Tonight, cops release fake calls to 911 in the search for missing Isabel Celis. We`re going to play those calls for you in just a moment.

Too young, and I mean young, sisters pull a prank and pretend to be the missing Arizona 6-year-old. They`re arrested. But are police any closer to finding out what really happened to little Isabel?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We love you. And we miss you so much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isabel was last seen in this home by her parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have been interviewed extensively.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are cooperating to the fullest extent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re labeling it as suspicious circumstances and the possible abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New details about what may have happened that Saturday morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are here today to plea --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we will never give up. We will never give up looking for you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a jaw-dropping twist in the disappearance of beautiful little Isabel Celis who vanished from her Tucson home. Tonight, cops say two other little girls from the very same town made a series of fake calls to 911 pretending to be Isabel. We`re going to play those calls for you in just a second.

You`ll remember 6-year-old Isabel vanished from her Tucson, Arizona, home four long months ago. Her dad reported her missing on the morning of April 21st after her mother had left for work as a nurse. Here`s the 911 call.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

REGIS CELIS, ISABEL CELIS` MOTHER: I went to work this morning at 7:00. And I didn`t even check on her. I should have come to check on her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: Just take a deep breath.

REGIS CELIS: No. I can`t even (INAUDIBLE) --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: Does your daughter have any medical condition?

REGIS CELIS: No. She has nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: I`m sorry. She has what?

REGIS CELIS: She has nothing. There`s no medical conditions. She`s healthy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: OK.

REGIS CELIS: No allergies. No medical conditions.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: OK. And you --

REGIS CELIS: She`s got brown hair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: OK. Didn`t hear anything any at all?

REGIS CELIS: No, I didn`t hear anything at all.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police say the bedroom window to Isabel`s room was open and the screen was removed. Blood was found in her bedroom.

Sex offenders in the neighborhood and Isabel`s family were questioned. But after four long months still no sign of Isabel. Recently however police thought they`d gotten a huge break in the case. 911 dispatchers got three calls from the same number, a child identifying herself as Isabel. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: 911, what is the emergency? Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: Hello.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: This is 911. How may I help you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: He`s coming.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: Who`s coming?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: He`s coming. Help me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: 911. What is the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: 911, what is the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: Isabel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: What are you reporting? 911.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: What are you reporting?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: I`m kidnapped.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: Do you have a police, fire or medical emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: I`ve said enough.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: What address are you at? What other cross street?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: I don`t know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: And are you reporting a kidnapping? Or have you been kidnapped?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: Me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: 911. What is the emergency? 911.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: Hello. Can I help you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: He`s coming.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: What?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: He`s coming.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: What address are you at? Do you know what address you`re at? Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: Hello.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: What address are you at? What street are you on?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Chilling, chilling calls. Cops spent $5,000 investigating these calls. They were frantic to trace them down. And they finally did to a Tucson home where they found two sisters ages nine and 11. The sisters admitted making the prank calls. Nobody knows why they decided to do that.

Now, even though these girls are just nine and 11, they were arrested on suspicion of false reporting to authorities and taken to the juvenile jail. Should they be prosecuted? What do you think?

Call me. 1-877-JVMSAYS. 1-877-586-7297.

Straight out to former prosecutor Wendy Murphy.

Wendy, they`re nine and 11 years old. They should be reprimanded. They should not be allowed to use cell phones for a very long time. But prosecuted? They`re nine and 11.

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: No. I mean, of course they`re not going to be prosecuted. I don`t think that`s a serious risk. But I`ll tell you why I think it`s terrific that they`ve been taken into custody. And I suspect this is why law enforcement did it. Separate them from their family so they can ask them the really important questions. Did someone put you up to this? Because maybe it isn`t, you know, just a child`s prank. And what I worry about in a case like this is that someone has an interest in distracting the public into thinking that Isabel is still out there somewhere which could create false leads, waste of resource, red herring strategy that might ultimately help the real perpetrator if this case gets to trial. And, you know, the jury is thinking, well, what about that 911 call where the girl called and said it was really her, oh, reasonable doubt.

So, I worry that someone put these kids up to this. And that`s why I`m glad they`ve been taken into custody. And I hope they`re asking them questions about their well-being, who do they know? Are they connected in any way to Isabel`s family or friends? You know, what`s the back story here?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I know. Well, I don`t have such a conspiratorial theory. My theory is, and by the way, prosecutors are reportedly deciding this week whether charges will be filed against the nine and 11-year-old sisters.

My theory is and I`m going to forensic psychologist Cheryl Arutt on this one, they`re kids. They`ve been hearing about this in the news. Their imaginations are running wild. When I was nine and 11, I was sailing down across current down the county which was my whole life. I was on a barge which was my father`s shirt box. They don`t know the difference between fiction and reality. They`re nine and 11, Cheryl.

CHERYL ARUTT, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST: You know something, Jane, the very first phone call one of my children made when she was almost one was to 911 by mistake. And the police came and they forgave her. She was a little baby.

But I have to tell you Kids, they do play. They have imaginations. They can be doing this because they want to see what will happen. They can be doing it because they want to engage in a dramatic play.

But I think Wendy`s also making a very good point because sometimes kids play act things that mirror something that might be going on in their lives. So whether it`s someone putting them up to it or whether there is something going on in their lives that they are trying to have some sort of a call for help, those things really should be ruled out in order to look at this as kids playing and just making an example that this isn`t the way to play because of what it does for the community.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s go to the phone lines and see what our viewers are saying about this.

Angela, North Carolina, your question or thought, Angela?

ANGELA, CALLER, NORTH CAROLINA: Hi. My question is, where were the parents at? Because I mean, this is pretty serious situation. Can they get in trouble for what they did?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, yes, apparently the mother was home. But these kids had cell phones. I`ll be the first to admit, when I was a kid, actually like a twin, I did prank calls. They weren`t about anything serious. They were like fake surveys and things like that. But kids do this kind of stuff.

John Lieberman, HLN contributor, investigative journalist, here`s my thought. This could be an investigative tool for police. Because let`s say hypothetically speaking one key character knows, and I don`t want to be correct about this, but hypothetically if the child were deceased and somebody were aware of that and police go to them, which they did go to certain people and say, hey, we got a call from Isabel, wouldn`t the reaction of those individuals be very telling?

JOHN LIEBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, absolutely. And, Jane, I think that is the point here. We`re missing the point. The point is, number one, I believe an 11-year-old knows right from wrong.

But second of all, the point is, can you imagine the false hope that this might give anybody who loves Isabel Celis? The false hope that she is alive, that is really what this is about. This is about false hope for anybody who loves this little girl and who now they might believe that this little girl is definitively alive based on these 911 calls.

And to your point, absolutely this is an investigative tool. If they have somebody they`re keeping an eye on, this is the first thing they`re going to go to that person and say, look, we got a call from Isabel. Tell us about that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And on the other side of the break we`re going to hear about the latest, latest developments with the family of Isabel. What`s going on there? Stay right there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SERGIO CELIS, ISABEL CELIS` FATHER: We`re looking for you, Isa. We love you. We miss you so much. And we will never give up. We will never give up looking for you.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was Isabel`s dad who went before the cameras and cried begging for his child to come home. But he was much less emotional in his first 911 call immediately after Isabel disappeared. And even seemed to laugh when talking to police. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: Is mom there also?

SERGIO CELIS: She just left for work. I just called her and told her to get her butt home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: After his daughter, Isabel, went missing, dad Sergio Celis who is a volunteer a group with child protective services to stay away from his two sons, one is 14 and ten, we must stress he`s not considered a suspect. We still don`t know why, however, he was asked to stay away from his boys. However, we`ve got new information on that from our producer, Selin Darkaistanian. What do you know, Celine?

SELIN DARKAISTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: Jane, I just got off the phone with the two neighbors that live down the street from Isabel`s family and are friends and their kids played with Isabel`s older brothers. And they said that remember when this first happened child protective services stepped in and said the dad can have no contact with the two brothers. And in fact, he wasn`t even living with them. He was staying at another location.

But they say things are back to normal. They are living at the house. They are walking down the street. You know, he`s been seen walking down the street with his kids, to the grandparents` house. And it seems like he`s able to have contact with the two sons now. They showed a united front. They showed up to the prayer vigil. You know, the family is definitely united and the dad is living back at the house at Isabel`s house now. And he is allowed to have contact with his two older sons. But they said it seems like everything`s back to normal. It`s really quiet aside from a few Isabel posters in and around the streets.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s listen again to a little bit of these fake 911 calls where the two young sisters ages nine and 11 pretend to be Isabel. It`s a prank.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: 911, what is the emergency? Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: Hello?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: This is 911. How may I help you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: He`s coming.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: Who`s coming?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: Coming. Help me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: 911, what is the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: It`s Isabel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE DISPATCHER: 911, what is the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE CHILD: Isabel.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Imagine the dispatcher who stayed calm but knowing this case obviously and hearing that how terrifying. Cheryl Arutt, forensic psychologist. That had to be to the 911 operator.

ARUTT: Absolutely. This really must have stirred up all kinds of hope that maybe they could actually find her alive. And I know that this is devastating for everybody in that community that`s been really hoping to find her. And I know that an 11-year-old can tell the difference between right and wrong, but I don`t know that they were sophisticated enough to fully comprehend the impact and ripple effect of pulling this prank.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go out to the phone lines.

Sandra, Missouri, your question or thought, Sandra?

SANDRA, CALLER, MISSOURI: Yes. My question is, OK, when I was 11 years old -- I`m just going to bring you back keep it real fast for you, when I was 11 years old me and my cousin stayed at home. My aunt and family went out to a party. It was me. So, I got on the phone decide to do prank calls calling the police station, the fire truck, telling them there was a fire that other stuff that was going on when it really never happened. So when they finally came to my aunt`s house, my aunt had to go to court. They were getting ready to lock her up, pay all kinds of fines - -

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sandra, you`re make ago great point. And I want to get last word, Wendy Murphy, should the parents of these sisters be punished?

MURPHY: No. Look, unless there`s a lot more to the story, I don`t think the parents should be punished and I don`t think these girls can or should or will be punished. I do think cops want to know, if kids are pulling a prank and they just call and go, there`s a monster in my house, click, they don`t call and do something as serious as pretending to be Isabel. That`s why I`m very disturbed by this. That`s why I think there might be a connection to the case. But these kids do not deserved to be punished.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, they`ve got to keep investigating. Still no leads as to where little Isabel is.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

New Developments in Isabel Celis Mystery

Aired September 18, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL starts right now.

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, new information in the mysterious disappearance of 6-year-old Isabel Celis, who vanished from her bedroom five months ago. An extraordinary new video has posted on her Facebook Page. We`re going to talk to somebody who helped make that movie and to a reporter in Tucson who has been covering the case from the start. And I`ve got hundreds of pages of police documents we`re going to analyze. Is this precious child still alive?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, a slew of new developments in the disappearance of little Isabel Celis. The Tucson girl mysteriously vanished from her bedroom five months ago without a trace. Now, her parents mark Isabel`s seventh birthday without her as a movie about the little girl goes viral.

Plus, hundreds of pages of police documents reveal a boot print outside the home, a mystery liquid and much more. We`re taking your calls.
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SERGIO CELIS, ISABEL`S FATHER: We love you. And we miss you so much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isabel was last seen in this home by her parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have been interviewed extensively.

S. CELIS: We are cooperating to the fullest extent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re labeling it as suspicious circumstances and possible abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New details about what may have happened that Saturday morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window.

BECKY CELIS, ISABEL`S MOTHER: We are here today to play -- to plea.

S. CELIS: And we will never give up. We will never give up looking for you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, a never-before-seen glimpse inside the home of missing Isabel Celis.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live. This adorable 6-year-old vanished five long months ago. She disappeared without a trace from her Tucson, Arizona, bedroom all while the family was, well, they say sleeping inside. Her mom, her father and two brothers.

Police say the case is nowhere near being cold. Is it possible they`re getting closer to finding out what happened to Isabel?

Here`s the photo her family put on their Facebook Page called "Find Isa." The family wrote hope continues inside their home as they paint Isabel`s room just as she wanted, pink and purple polka dots.


And we found this incredible YouTube video from the same Facebook Page. Check it out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please, dear Lord, bring Isabel home. Amen.

(MUSIC)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In a moment, an exclusive interview with the family friend who made that movie.

Isabel Celis was reported missing five months ago. Here`s how it all went down.

Isabel`s dad said the family came home late on April 20 after a baseball game. And he says he fell asleep in the living room after putting Isa to bed in a room close by. But he says he woke up and moved to his own bed at 5 a.m.

Isabel`s mom left for work at 7 a.m. But she says she did not check on Isa.

That same morning, April 21, Dad says he discovered Isabel missing. Here is the first 911 call.

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S. CELIS: I need to report a missing child. I believe she was abducted from my house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And how old?

S. CELIS: Six years old.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it your daughter?

S. CELIS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why do you think she was abducted?

S. CELIS: I have no idea. We woke up this morning, I went to go get her for her baseball game and she`s gone. I...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Right away dad Sergio Celis tells police he believes his little girl`s been abducted.

What do you think happened to Isabel? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877- 586-7297.

Straight out to investigative reporter, HLN contributor Jon Lieberman. Jon, I am holding hundreds of police documents in my hand. Tucson Police Department supplemental narrative, et cetera, you have studied these hundreds of pages. What are the bombshells you found?

JON LIEBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes. In these almost 600 pages of documents, Jane, what stuck out to me as the bombshells are the potential physical evidence, the pieces of evidence that police found at the scene in and around Isabel`s home.

Let me go through a few of them with you. No. 1, footprints in the alley south of the home. Very important. Shoe impressions on the top of an electrical box directly behind the family home. What appears to be blood on the floor of little Isabel`s bedroom.

And then from inside a car that was parked right outside of the home, a white hat and a vinyl shower curtain with dark red/brown or brown stains. Obviously, police believe this is blood. And also a positive Luminol reason on the driver`s seat -- the front seat -- the front driver`s seat of the car. Obviously, Luminol identifies traces of blood.

So it`s these pieces of physical evidence that are extremely important in this investigation. And we know that this was all sent to the lab for DNA workups on all of this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but this happened several months ago. We have to know, for example, the blood, what was the result of that test? Is it Isabel`s blood found in her bedroom? Or is it somebody else`s? We`re not getting any information.

Now here`s something we do know. One neighbor recalled hearing her dogs bark like crazy in the early morning hours on the day that Isabel vanished. Were they alerting to some kind of disturbance? Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, at 6:30 in the morning on Saturday I woke up. My dogs were going crazy. Their dogs were going nuts. And I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window. But it was light outside. I didn`t really think anything of it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I want to go to Kevin Keen, a reporter with KGUN out of Tucson, Arizona. You`ve been covering this from the very start. I understand that there have been more than 2,000 leads that police are pursuing. But what do we know? Have they confirmed anything for us?

KEVIN KEEN, REPORTER, KGUN: Well, as in the first early days of this investigation it`s been difficult to get a lot of detail about what investigators have, the information that they have and how they are pursuing it, who they`ve talked to.

But we do know that this day, I just checked today, that there are still two detectives full-time working on this case and no other case. And if new leads come in, they`re not afraid to bring on more detectives. So they are actively investigating.

And also the FBI is still a partner in this case. They came in early on to share some expertise. And I know that they`re still in contact with Tucson Police Department as they continue to investigate this missing person, this abduction.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What was it about the screen, if I remember?

KEEN: Can you say that one more time?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The screen on the window. What was it about the screen on the window of the little girl`s bedroom?

KEEN: That from an early on we had many questions about and didn`t get many answers about. Those documents that you may have some indication of the interest there that I don`t have too many specific details about that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m going to get back to that in a little bit. Because the missing screen, if in fact there was a missing screen, would immediately point to the possibility of a stranger abduction, which we have seen. So that`s key. We`re going to get to that.

Now, in her 911 call, Isabel`s mother was hysterical when police asked if she searched her daughter`s bedroom. Listen to this. This is Becky.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You looked everywhere? Under the bed?


B. CELIS: Yes, I looked everywhere. The windows out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re almost there, ma`am, OK? Where is your husband and your kids?

B. CELIS: They`re outside waiting for the cops.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

B. CELIS: Oh, my God.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. So that kind of answered the question, took the window out of our house. Obviously, there was some tampering or removal of part of a window or the screen that led the family to say immediately it was an abduction.

I want to go out to Octavio Corrales, we want to play some of your amazing video you`ve made along with your friends, the Flight Team. Friends and family of Isabel. People in the neighborhood who care.

You work, I understand, with Becky, the missing child`s mother. You hear her hysterical on that 911 call. I understand she`s a nurse. Is she back at work? And how is she faring, Octavio?

OCTAVIO CORRALES, FAMILY FRIEND (via phone): She is back at work. And under the conditions and circumstances, I think she`s doing very well. You know, she has a lot of people, co-workers around her that love her and support her, so we give her that support.

And, you know, she shares her stories of Isabel with us on a daily basis. And, you know, her remodeling the room. And she asked us, you know, what we think. And, you know, which allows us to help her decorate it herself. She`s doing very well.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Does she have any theories about what happened to her daughter?

CORRALES: We really -- we really don`t discuss any of that. We just have -- all have the hope that she`s going to come home safely soon. So we just keep a positive note on that. And we really don`t discuss with her anything that has to do with how it could have happened, who could have done it. We don`t -- we don`t bring that up with her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And she doesn`t bring it up either?

CORRALES: No. No, she doesn`t.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Staying pretty mum on that. All right, Octavio. Excellent video. Hang in there. We`re going to take a very brief break.

On the other side we`re going to analyze with a team of investigators. And we`ve got more new information. Stay right there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

(MUSIC)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (singing): We got to get Isabel home safe why are we waiting? We ain`t got no time to waste tell me where do we go from here.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A truly extraordinary new video by the Flight Team that is designed to raise funds to continue the investigation into finding missing Isabel Celis as she`s been missing for several months. And this is really just hitting big time now. In fact, if you go to HLNTV.com/Jane, you`re going to be able to buy it. It goes on iTunes on Monday. So this is -- this is new.

Octavio, you were involved in this video. Was it the frustration of the fact that the case really wasn`t getting there month after month after month that inspired you to say, hey, let`s do something. I mean, I see hundreds of people involved in this.

CORRALES: Well, the project really came together a few days after I heard that Isabel went missing. It was just something that I felt needed to be done. And my part of the community in helping bring her home. The song came about with some friends of mine. And we wanted to bring more awareness. And we wanted to put -- I basically wanted to put a soul to just to the face on a poster. I didn`t just want to be a missing person, a missing child.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Octavio?

CORRALES: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Can I jump in? How did Becky react? And because people are wondering why aren`t the parents talking? I mean, just the other day -- we`ll get to this -- we did a story on a missing girl and she was found, thank God. I would be talking until I was blue in the face, anybody who would listen. People are wondering why don`t they speak up? Why don`t they do interviews?

CORRALES: They are doing interviews. And Becky and her family are out. And they do a lot of events around town. They do anything that`s happening with the community. They`re there at the booth. She`s vocal. She`s speaking to the public. She`s out doing, you know, what she can to help find Isabel.

And part of this song -- this whole point of this song is just getting it out there and keeping the message out there to keep looking and keep searching for her. But Becky is very active in speaking about Isabel.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, Octavio, I want to thank you for an extraordinary video and for getting involved. This is what people should do, is get involved when you have a family in crisis, when you have a missing child. My hat`s off to you and the entire Flight Team. And keep us posted.

Now, let`s listen to the dad, the father, Sergio, as he made that initial 911 call. Remember, he has just discovered his little girl is missing. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is Mom there also?

S. CELIS: She had just left for work. I just called her and I told her to get her butt home. (LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, listen to him four days later as he publicly pleads for his daughter`s return.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS: Tell us your demands. Tell us what you want. We will do anything for her. We are looking -- we are looking for you, Isa. We love you. And we miss you so much.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mark Eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor. You`ve been listening as we`ve gotten all this information. What do you make of the status and the state of this investigation?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: All right. Well, let`s start with the dad. Look I`ve been relieved of the burden of judgment. So I don`t want to point the finger at him.

But you couple the call that he made plus 911, and I don`t know, Jane. I once had my bike stolen. And I had the same affect when I called in to the police. I mean, his daughter was taken. I would sound a bit more like the mother.

Now, again, I`m not a psychology major. I don`t know about certain cultures, certain people. Maybe there`s something to do with that, and that`s why he`s not screaming and he`s not crazy.

But I`ll tell you this: most law enforcement would keep their eye on him, because statistically, usually, it`s not somebody from the outside. Usually, there`s somebody on the inside involved. I`m not saying he did anything.

From the documents I read, Jane, there`s absolutely nothing in my opinion that advances where this child is and who might be responsible for her disappearance.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jon Lieberman, you want to get in there?

LIEBERMAN: Well, to Mark`s point, what I want to say, what`s even more important is that the police have not ruled out the dad. And this is extremely important. Generally, very early on in an investigation, police will publicly say, "We have ruled out the parents." And they have not done that in this case. And I think Mark will tell you that is extremely significant.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, on the other side of the break we are going to -- go ahead, Mark.

EIGLARSH: Well, it just means -- again, he could be completely innocent. I`m a defense lawyer. I know that they could just be keeping it open, because you just never know. But certainly, somebody believes that there`s reason to keep that conclusion still there.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I just want to say that nobody has been named a person of interest or a suspect in this case. And there`s more information we have on the dad. And so we`re going to -- he`s a dental -- I understand he`s a dental technician and he also sings opera. We`re going to get to more of that on the other side.

And Lisa, Ontario, hang in there. We`re going to get to you on the other side. Stay right there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

B. CELIS: It`s tough, because we`re already under a lot of stress, because we don`t have Isa here. So to have more thrown on us, but we`re strong. And we`re -- we`ll be OK. We`ll survive it. We just want her back.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s been five long months. There is the mother of this beautiful missing child who turned seven just a few days ago. Where is Isabel Celis, who vanished inside her bedroom five months ago?

Let`s go out to the phone lines. Lisa, Ontario, thank you for your patience. Your question or thought, Lisa?

CALLER: Well, hello there, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CALLER: Like I usually say, thank you for helping the victims and their family and these terrible crimes.

My two points I have to make, or comments are, No. 1, when the father called 911 or the police division in the area, how come his voice is not in distress? No. 1.

And No. 2, I remember one call that you led us here months ago, at one point he was laughing during the call. That`s my other point, please.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you make an important point that there was -- I think when he said he told his wife, who was working at the hospital, to get her butt home. And he kind of chuckled. And a lot of people, I think we just played that, actually, jumped at that and said, "Oh, my gosh, would you have that reaction?"

Now, Levi Page, crime blogger extraordinaire of "The Levi Page Show," at one point the police chief said, quote, "A voluntary agreement had been reached between Child Protective Services and the parents to restrict access, voluntarily, for Sergio, the dad, to get some space and distance away from the two older children, those two boys."

That has since ended. They`re together. These two go hither and yon together. What are your thoughts, given that police have not named any suspects?

LEVI PAGE, CRIME BLOGGER: I think it`s very strange, Jane. And I think that that tells us that there`s some deep secrets in this family.

We know for a fact that Child Protective Services was at the home and investigating this family before Isabel vanished in December. So I think that this family has some secrets that we don`t know about. And I think it would be interesting to know what exactly those are. That might be why the family`s remaining quiet, because they have something to hide.

And also, Jane, regarding the window that you were talking about, according to the father, he told the police that one of his sons went outside and found the window -- the screen of the window laying on the ground outside. So that clears that up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I don`t have any independent confirmation that Department of Children and Families visited this home prior to the disappearance of Isabel. You`re telling us that. But I cannot independently confirm that.

And I would like to go to some more callers, because they`re lining up all over the place. And a lot of people are wondering, well.

But I have to tell you, you can never really judge somebody by their reaction, because people go into shock. And they also go into denial. And quite often, that denial makes them behave in a certain way that they wouldn`t otherwise.

So it seems sort of obvious like, oh, he`s not hysterical like the mother is. Therefore, he might have something to do with it. But men often react that way psychologically. OK.

More on the other side.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a parent`s worst nightmare.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were in tears while they were praying. They looked very, very sad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Six-year-old Isabel Mercedes Celis was gone, missing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was checked on this morning at about 8 a.m. when her father went in to wake her up so that they could start their day. Found that she was not in her room at that point.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The window was pushed open.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have bloodhounds that are checking the area, as well, to pick up any scent of the girl.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isabel`s parents were questioned all night long. We asked the police chief if they`d been ruled out as suspects in the disappearance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family has been cooperating with us. They`re currently with detectives at this point. But we`re not ruling out anything in this investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s just not a possibility. If you knew this family, these two have -- they`ve been married -- they`ve been together since they were teenagers. There`s no separating...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Where is little Isabel Celis? She`s been missing for five long months. And now a new video has just been created in order to fund an investigation into her disappearance. Check it out. It`s extraordinary.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Please, dear Lord, bring Isabel home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (singing): Sitting outside with a flashlight I keep having flashbacks of last night. The whole neighborhood searching for this young girl. We`re all waiting for the truth as it uncurls. I see the media broken heart families, see them come together for a tragedy. And see it gives me hope to see that people care.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the family of the missing girl has just released a photo -- this photo of them painting Isabel`s room -- polka dots.

Criminal defense attorney Mark Eiglarsh, we have almost 600 pages here, Tucson Police Department supplemental narrative et cetera, there`s all sorts of things. You see there was some spilled fluid, there were fresh shoe prints, there was a rug, there`s apparent bloodstains in Isabel`s bedroom. Police seized a vinyl shower curtain, a white hat.

I mean, the list goes on and on. But how do we get a cohesive picture from those puzzle pieces because a lot of it could be meaningless? I could go outside wherever we are and find a rug just in the alley back there and some liquid. It would mean nothing.

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Not to minimize anybody`s hope, but that pretty much was my response going through every single page. And I started with optimism. I go, great, I`ll spend the time going through a hundred or so documents and I`m filled with enthusiasm to find out, ok, where might she be, what clues do they have?

And Jane, every single item that was removed, every piece of evidence to me was innocuous. As a defense lawyer, as a human being -- anyone with common sense I was going, "Oh, really, they found a rug in an alleyway? There`s footprints outside of a house?" None of that to me suggests that there was any true leads and any suspects waiting to be caught and any indication of where this girl might be unfortunately.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s go out to the phone lines. Christina, British Columbia, your question or thought, Christina.

CHRISTINA, BRITISH COLUMBIA (via telephone): Hi. Thank you for taking my call.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Sure.

CHRISTINA: I`m also suspicious of the father. There`s video camera. And I know people react differently in times of trauma. But he just sounds very phony also when he`s asking for help and we`ll never give up looking for you.

My question is, I have never heard if anybody confirmed him coming home the night before with the little girl? I understand the mother did not check on her daughter before work in the morning. But who was there the night before when they came home late?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, here`s my understanding. They have two older boys. I think one is a teen and we don`t know exactly the age of the other, but they`re older than Isabel. And they`ve gone to a baseball game of one of the boys I think. And then they came home and the mother braided the daughter`s hair, got her ready for bed, put her to bed. She went to bed.


Dad was supposedly watching a baseball game on television. May have DVR`d it and fell asleep, he says. He fell asleep around 10:30 after the daughter was put to bed in a room right on the other side of the wall. Then he says he wakes up at 5:00 in the morning -- so from 10:30, he wakes up 5:00 in the morning and he goes back to his own bed. Then the mother wakes up at 7:00, goes to work and then after that she doesn`t check because she`s going to work as a nurse. She`s leaving early in the morning. Then after that the dad wakes up and says he notices his daughter is missing.

Now, when Isabel`s father called 911, the operator grilled him; are there any issues going on in the family? Listen to this.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you`re both natural parents of the child?

FATHER OF ISABEL CELIS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So no stepparents? Any problems with any grandparent?

FATHER OF ISABEL CELIS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s not having any family issues, anything like that?

FATHER OF ISABEL CELIS: No.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I want to go to my producer Selin Darkalstanian; she`s at our Los Angeles bureau. We sent her to Tucson twice. So she is very well-acquainted with this story.

What`s with the family today? Because we know at one point Department of Children and Families said to the dad "Do not have contact with the sons". But that`s changed. Tell us about that.


SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCEWR: Right. Originally when she first went missing the dad was told by Child Protective Services to stay away. He was living in a separate residence away from the mom and the two sons, Isabel`s brothers. But today, they`re all living back at the house together; life is somewhat back to normal. They walked down the street to their grandparents` house, remember.

All the neighbors I talked to today say that they walk up and down the street as a family to the grandma`s, they come back. They go to work. But one of the neighbors did tell me that ever since this incident occurred they keep to themselves. They don`t really socialize with the other neighbors. They don`t really talk to everyone else anymore; they kind of keep to themselves. And they just go and come and the neighbors kind of stay away from them and that`s just the way it is.

So whatever happened, the dad is allowed to be back with the Celis family now. So something happened that he`s allowed to be back in that family.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jon Leiberman, this is where there`s a disconnect -- their friend, Octavio, who put together this fabulous video along with some other friends, the Flight Team, he says she`s out there all the time. She`s willing to talk to anybody. We`ve been trying to get her to come on this show. And we would love to have her on.

Now we`re hearing they kind of keep to themselves, but they`re together. They`re together. The husband and the wife, the parents of this girl, are together.

JON LEIBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Look, you hit the nail on the head. And this is why police are not releasing more of what they have. Because I`m telling you they are using what they have to either contradict or corroborate the family`s statements. They are looking hard at this family -- make no mistake about that, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I got to tell you, there was another bizarre twist to all this. Two young sisters, we`re talking young kids in this very area, got into a whole lot of hot water recently because they called 911 three different times pretending to be the missing Isabel. More than 25 officers responded to the calls. Listen to this.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, what is the emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s Isabel.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911, what is your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isabel.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, not only did this upset the family of the missing child tremendously, but remember police have spent huge amounts, I think well over a million dollars on this investigation, and they had to spend more because of these pranks.

Levi Page, that is absolutely extraordinary. And I don`t know if the parents ended up being fined, but what a horrible twist.

LEVI PAGE, CRIME BLOGGER: Well, I do know that those two that were involved in that were sent to a juvenile detention center. They were released. So they are facing consequences for what they did. And they deserve to because this is a very high profile case. This is a missing child who could have possibly been abducted, possibly killed. Foul play could be involved here.

You don`t play around with these types of investigations and make prank phone calls like that. And it`s sad that they did that and wasted resources of the community, of the police officers. They want to find out who took her or who killed her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, thank you fantastic panel. We are staying on top of this.

And, Becky or Sergio, we would love to have either or all of you -- both of you on, or family members. We want to keep your daughter`s face out there so we can solve this terrible mystery.
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Parents Hold out Hope of Finding Isabel Celis

Aired October 17, 2012 - 19:00   ET

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KYRA PHILLIPS, HLN ANCHOR: JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL starts in just about ten seconds.
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, what secrets lie in the room of little Isabel Celis, the very room she vanished from nearly six months ago? Her parents have now opened the doors to Isabel`s newly remodeled bedroom as they say they`re remaining hopeful their little girl will come home. How will that happen? The latest on this case next.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, stunning new insights into the mysterious case of beautiful little Isabel Celis, who vanished from inside her Arizona home. As cops struggle for clues, leads and suspects, tonight we`ll take an unprecedented look inside the room where the then-6-year-old went missing nearly five months ago. Why are her parents painting and buying new furniture? Is this simply grieving parents holding out hope? We`re investigating. And I`m taking your calls.

Then an unimaginable mysterious death rocks a small Nebraska town. What happened to precious baby Juliet? The 2-year-old was found dead in her family home with multiple blunt force trauma. Cops say her mom and two friends partied in the other room. Four years later, the cops still have no suspects in the infant`s baffling death. Who could have done this?

Plus, it`s Hulk Hogan like you`ve never seen him before. The former wrestler caught in the act, videotaped having sex with his best friend`s then-wife. But in a fascinating twist, it`s the Hulkster who`s fuming mad, claiming he had no idea the camera was there. Tonight, the bitter battle just getting started. Who`s the real victim here?

SERGIO CELIS, ISABEL`S FATHER: We love you. And we miss you so much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isabel was last seen in this home by her parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have been interviewed extensively.

S. CELIS: We are cooperating to the fullest extent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re labeling it as suspicious circumstances and a possible abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New details about what may have happened that Saturday morning.

ALICIA STARDEVANT, NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window.

BECKY CELIS, ISABEL`S MOTHER: We are here today to play -- to plea.

S. CELIS: And we will never give up. We will never give up looking for you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, were secrets left behind inside the bedroom where 6-year-old Isabel Celis vanished almost six months ago?

Good evening. Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

For the first time ever we`re going to take you inside Isabel`s bedroom where the adorable little girl was sleeping one minute and gone the next.

Even though Isabel is still missing, her parents have recently painted her room with pink and purple polka dots just like they say Isabel would have wanted, and they also purchased new furniture for the little girl in the hopes that she`s coming home soon. Take a look at this. It`s obvious Isabel`s parents are clinging to any hope. They say that their precious daughter is still alive.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS: One big emotion of sadness, frustration and anger.

B. CELIS: I know she`s out there somewhere. I know it. I know it. I know it. We just have to find her. That`s -- that`s my mother instinct.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s them speaking out recently. You`ll remember Isabel was 6 when she vanished from her Tucson, Arizona, home. This was a story we covered extensively. Her dad reported her missing on the morning of April 21 after her mother had left for her morning nursing job.

Police say the bedroom window to Isabel`s room was open and the screen was removed. Evidence of blood was found in her bedroom.

Sex offenders in the neighborhood and Isabel`s family were questioned at length, but after six months still no sign of this adorable young girl. But Isabel`s dad says he is convinced Isabel will be coming home.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS: There isn`t a doubt in my mind or in my heart or in my boy`s heart that she is alive and that she will come home. Absolutely.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`ve got a file very thick on this case. We`ve been studying. We`ve also called Tucson police. They did not return our calls. We have so many questions.

They reportedly still have investigators working full time on this case. But after six long months, where does this case go? How are we going to bring Isabel home?

I want your theories and questions. Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS; 1-877- 586-7297.

Straight out to Tom Shamshak, former police chief and famed private investigator.

Tom, it`s been months since this child vanished, months since we first heard about apparent blood on the floor of her bedroom. Why are the police saying absolutely nothing? They have to at least know the results of the blood, the apparent blood found in the bedroom.

TOM SHAMSHAK, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Jane, good evening.
There are two possible explanations. No. 1, that the blood is unrelated to the child`s disappearance.

Secondly, it could be related to the child`s disappearance. And what they want to do is keep this whole back evidence to themselves. And they may be preparing to go into an investigative grand jury and seek an indictment against somebody. Those are the only two obvious signs that I can take away from this, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you could certainly hear and feel the panic in the voice of Isabel`s mother.

First, the father called 911. We`re going to play that tape in a second. Then the mother rushes home from her nursing job, and she calls 911 the morning Isabel vanished. Check this out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

B. CELIS: I went to work this morning at 7 and I just -- and I didn`t even come and check on her. I should have come to check on her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. All right. Just catch your breath, OK.

B. CELIS: Oh, no, I can`t even (UNINTELLIGIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does she have a medical condition?

B. CELIS: No. She has nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m sorry. She has what?

B. CELIS: She has nothing. She has no medical condition. She`s healthy. No allergies. No medical condition. She has brown hair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Didn`t hear anything at all?

B. CELIS: No, I didn`t hear anything at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lisa Bloom, legal analyst for Avo.com. Let`s go over the timeline.

The child was last seen at 11 p.m. on the evening of April 20. That was a Friday night.

At 7 in the morning, the next day, the mom leaves for her nursing job, and she told police she did not check on Isabel before leaving.

Then at 8 a.m., Isabel`s dad, Sergio, goes into Isabel`s room and finds her missing and says the window open and the screen is missing.

Now Sergio said -- also said that he`d been sleeping in the living room watching the game and had fallen asleep in the living room the night before. And that sometime in the middle of the night he gets up and goes back into his marital bedroom.

What are your thoughts as -- as we try to figure out what the heck happened to this child?

LISA BLOOM, LEGAL ANALYST, AVO.COM: Well, first of all, I`m not going to judge this family. They are crime victims as far as we know. They sound like a normal family. Parents don`t always check on children when they come home or, you know, when they think children are just sleeping in their rooms.

I`ve heard a lot of people criticizing them. And I think that`s terribly unfair. When you hear the pain in their voices on that 911 call, I mean, this could have happened to any of us. And so we hope and pray that Isabel will come home.

I do have a concern about the redecorating of her room. That`s their personal choice how they want to decorate their house and how they want to handle their grief and what they`re going through. But from a criminal justice point of view, blood was found in that room, police often do come back months and even years later to do additional searches. So I would have preferred that they not move things around and change things in her room for that reason.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it is bizarre. I`m going to go quickly to Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist. It`s bizarre to me, frankly.

ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, sure. I mean, the first thing that can come up is, No. 1, is there a cover-up going on? Why would someone want to change a room that potentially could have some information about a crime?
Having said that, you know, it`s the parents` denial at work. And perhaps they don`t want to consider that anything horrible has happened to their little girl. So this is a way of keeping their daughter`s dream alive, keeping their own dream alive that their daughter will return to this room and be thrilled. And they`re holding onto that idea.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`re going to the phone lines. Susan, Illinois, your question or thought, Susan?

CALLER: Hi, Jane. You are a total angel.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you. You too, I think.

CALLER: I just wanted to say that if your child is missing, the grief that the parents feel, why on earth would they change the room? It seems a little too soon for that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you`re talking about exactly what we`ve been talking about.

Now, there was also something about the initial 911 call by the father. Remember, it was Isabel`s dad who says he went into her bedroom and found her missing. And then he made this call to 911. And listen carefully, because it`s hard to catch. But it`s a bizarre comment that some interpreted as a joke or a chuckle. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is mom there also?

S. CELIS: She had just left for work. I just called her, and I told her to get her butt home. (LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, your child`s just gone missing. "I told her to get her butt home. Heh-heh-heh." A lot of people took huge issue with that.

Again I want to stress that this father and this mother not considered suspects or persons of interests. There are no suspects, no persons of interest.

ABC has reported that Child Protective Services did visit the family`s home in December, which was a few months before the child vanished. Nobody will discuss the circumstances of that reported visit.

And then the dad was actually -- he reached an agreement not to have any contact with his two sons after the child disappeared -- this was an agreement with CPS, a voluntary agreement. But they`re all back together again.

So Joey Jackson, criminal defense attorney, how does that, this visit prior to the child`s disappearance, and then this mystery agreement that only lasted a while for him to stay away from the two older sons, who are approximately, I think, 11 and 13 or 14.

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what? You know what, Jane? It certainly gives us an indication or some type of indication that something may have been amiss in the family as it relates to the children and the father.

You know, but going back to the phone call that you mentioned, we could interpret that in a number of ways. And clearly, it`s not appropriate to be laughing or giggling when you`re making such a serious call.

But you know, Jane, very well that there are oftentimes where people handle their stress in a different way. You know, laughter and giggling could be nervous energy. It could be, "ha ha," like "I can`t believe it." And so there`s a number of ways to interpret it.

But clearly, if social services was involved in the home, I mean, something was amiss there that, you know, we need to be certainly concerned about.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But then again, a lot of people that know them say they are wonderful parents, hard-working people. I think he`s some kind of dental worker. And she`s a nurse, and he sings opera. And there are so many people in the community say they are fantastic parents.

More on the other side. Your calls.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STARDEVANT: Well, at 6:30 in the morning on Saturday I woke up. My dogs were going crazy, their dogs were going nuts. And I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window. But it was light outside. I didn`t really think anything of it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A neighbor to the Celis home says her dogs went crazy at 6:30 in the morning the very day that this child disappeared. Remember, she was last seen 11 p.m. They put her to sleep. And then at 7 a.m. her mom leaves for work. And then at 8 a.m. the dad discovers her missing, he says.

Well, guess what? We just heard from this woman saying at 6:30 in the morning, half an hour before the mom leaves, her dogs suddenly go crazy. What does that mean?

Meantime there`s a lot of interest in the idea that the family`s redecorating the child`s room, saying that they pray every day that Isabel will soon return home. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS We can`t wait for her to see it. And if she happens to see it on the news, just for her to know that -- you know, what we`ve done for her.

B. CELIS: We haven`t forgotten her.

S. CELIS: We haven`t forgotten her, and we`re waiting for her.

B. CELIS: I know that she`s going to, like, just lose it for that little second. And that`s what I want to see. I want to see her face.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I will say, these parents are also very religious. And they pray every day, as well, with the rosary for the return of their child.

But, again, some are wondering -- and let me throw this out to Tom Shamshak, private investigator. The redecoration, what do you make of it?

SHAMSHAK: Well, as earlier guests have commented, they are victims. And people handle stress in various fashions. It could be that they...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m talking about as a private investigator, could there be forensic evidence in that room that could be erased by the repainting? They found apparent blood on the floor.

SHAMSHAK: That`s true. But there shouldn`t be any residual physical evidence there. If the police performed an exhaustive comprehensive crime scene investigation, they should have walked away with any piece of information related to this case.

So there shouldn`t be any discussion about the going back in there in time. They would have photographed this. They would have videotape of this. And they would have scoured that room for any evidentiary value.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Lisa, you disagree.

BLOOM: Jane, there is no right way to act when your child has been taken from your home. There`s a right way to act as a crime victim. On our Web site on Avo.com we have legal guides for crime victims on what you should do. But there`s no guide to what you should do as a parent when something horrendous and shocking happens like this in your life. And I think it`s wrong for us to judge these parents. God forbid this is any of us.

Have any of us ever smiled or giggled nervously at a funeral, for example? Or behaved inappropriately in some other shocking situation? I mean, I think it`s just really wrong to go off on these parents, who have endured so much and who are still hanging in there with every shred of hope that they can find.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I know. You were the one who raised the issue of -- that it`s bizarre to repaint the crime scene, essentially.

BLOOM: I didn`t say bizarre. I did not say bizarre. I said...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, what`d you say?

BLOOM: ... it`s probably not a good idea. But I don`t know if law enforcement has cleared them to do that. I don`t know what kind of conversations they may have had from the police. From a criminal justice point of view, I would rather that they not redecorate her room. That is true.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, let`s go to the phone lines. Lindsay from Alabama. Your question or thought, Lindsay?


CALLER: Yes, I had three, actually. First one is I was curious about the Alicia Stardevant lead where she was talking about her dogs outside. I mean, my dogs would go nuts if, you know, somebody was outside my window.

My second point and question was simply about the brothers. Was there any new information regarding her brothers that she slept in the room almost every other night?

My third point and my question most curious after having living in Arizona for a long time, would there possibly be any connection that they assume she`s alive, you know, from a relative possibly taking her over the border? Something to that effect?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, to that point, OK, the brothers are the 11- year-old and the 14-year-old. Of course, they may have had birthdays since the last reports that I`ve read.

Now, here`s something that`s interesting. In the 550-page report that was released, detectives listed some claims from somebody they interviewed, saying that a guy was staying with the family who, quote, "owed some money -- somebody a lot of money. And that`s why she was taken," end quote.

Now Joey Jackson, we know, like, these things can be gossip, a game of "Telephone." Somebody hears something. You can hear how people misreport all the time. But that is significant. Wouldn`t they know, obviously, who this -- if there was a person staying with the family -- first of all, I wonder wouldn`t the parents have said something? And wouldn`t the police know by now and have identified that individual and found out whether he, in fact, was involved?

JACKSON: Jane, it`s a wonderful point. And in fact, you know, you started out with that big book that you had that had document after document, I`m sure, of what the investigation entailed.

But certainly, fingers point and people are blamed about what owed who and who owed what, and tempers flare. But certainly, to your point in the event that someone owed money -- that is the dad -- to another person who was unsavory, this person would be identified. They would be investigated. They would be questioned. And any information or knowledge that they had to bring the party to justice who abducted her should be either in that file or in someone -- some file similar like that so that we can get answers here.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, on the other side of the break we`re going to play you Isabel`s father`s emotional plea to whoever took the child. Stay right there.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, you have looked everywhere, under the bed?

B. CELIS: Yes, I looked everywhere. The window`s out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

B. CELIS: (UNINTELLIGIBLE). Please hurry, please, and get here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re almost there, ma`am, OK? Where -- where is your husband and your kids?

B. CELIS: They`re outside waiting for the cops.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

B. CELIS: Oh, my God.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s been almost six months. Where is little Isabel? The first time Isabel spoke out -- Isabel`s dad, he reached out to this child`s kidnappers, if in fact that`s what happened. And the dad made an emotional plea.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS: Tell us your demands. Tell us what you want. We will do anything for her.

We are -- we`re looking for you, Isa. We love you. And we miss you so much.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I am holding in my hands hundreds of pages, 550- page police report. And here`s the thing, Tom Shamshak, private investigator, there`s so much that how do you know what`s just garbage and what`s for real?

Like they found some spilled fluid in the alley behind their house with fresh shoe prints next to a rug. Then you hear -- here`s a police report, supplemental narrative. A guy says that he saw a young female 6 to 7 years of age running northbound nearby a few minutes prior -- presumably prior to her disappearance. And when he initially saw the small girl running northbound along the east side of the street, he noticed an older male, and it occurred to him that it was odd for a little girl to be out at such an hour.

I mean, my gosh. Somebody saw a child running around at a late hour around the time she disappeared.

SHAMSHAK: Well, to address your question about the evidence outside. The police will, you know, footwear impressions are very potentially important pieces of evidence. So they`ll have plaster molds. They`ll also be looking for any discarded clothing, cigarettes, anything that may be related to this case if this results in an abduction prosecution.

And, again, what the family also will be undergoing is a full scrutiny. Police are going to know all of the financial history of this family. They`ll know if there are stresses there. They will also know through phone records going back several months before this abduction who was this family in contact with.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s a very good point. Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist, I think some people are confused by the different -- first the father is sort of casual and chuckling. Then he`s hysterical. Do you see any discrepancy there or not?

LUDWIG: Well, clearly there is. But, again, this could be an understandable reaction. Even though it`s hard to understand it from the outside looking in. When somebody is going through a horrible situation that is almost unbelievable, they are detached from the situation, in part to protect their psyche. To really believe somebody has abducted your child is just too painful. So the way the brain protects itself is it goes into denial mode.

So that could have been what happened with the father initially. Kind of chuckling out of nerves and hoping that this really wasn`t happening. And once reality really set in, he`s having a very different experience, one of tremendous grief, frustration, reaching out, trying to control the situation any way he can.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So your bottom line explanation is you cannot look at people`s reactions and make any kind of determination about their motives or what they may know or do based on that because human nature, people react differently to crisis.

On the other side, a story involving another precious child. You won`t believe it.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

What Happened to Isabel Celis?; Duchess Catherine Pregnant

Aired December 3, 2012 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, what everyone wants to know: who holds the secret to what happened to missing 7-year-old Isabel Celis? Just a little while ago, we spoke to Isabel`s mom. She has a message she wants everyone to hear. We`re going to tell you on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, full of tears, anguish and hope, the parents of missing Isabel Celis give a new interview about the little girl`s mysterious disappearance from her bedroom. Why her father, Sergio, thinks Isabel was targeted, and why they both believe their child is still alive, somewhere.
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SERGIO CELIS, FATHER OF ISABEL CELIS: We love you. And we miss you so much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Isabel was last seen in this home by her parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have been interviewed extensively.

S. CELIS: We are cooperating to the fullest extent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re labeling it as suspicious circumstances and a possible abduction.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New details about what may have happened that Saturday morning.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I remember briefly waking up and hearing male voices outside my bedroom window.

BECKY CELIS, MOTHER OF ISABEL CELIS: We are here today to plead.

S. CELIS: And we`ll never give up. We will never give up looking for you.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live. You`ll remember, Isabel Celis was 6 when she vanished from her Tucson, Arizona, home. Her dad reported her missing on the morning of April 21 after her mom left for her job as a pediatric E.R. nurse.

When Isabel`s mom heard the news, she rushed home. Listen to her heartbreaking 911 call.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have looked everywhere: under the beds, the closets, everything?

B. CELIS: Yes, I looked everywhere. The window`s out of our house. Somebody took the window out of our house. Please hurry. Please get here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They`re almost there, ma`am, OK? Where`s your husband and your kids?

B. CELIS: They`re outside waiting for the cops. Oh, my God.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Police say the bedroom window to little Isabel`s room was opened. The screen had been removed. Evidence of apparent blood was found in her bedroom. Sex offenders in the neighborhood and Isabel`s own family were questioned at length.

But after almost eight months, still no sign of Isabel, fighting back tears, Isabel`s parents went on "The Katie Couric show" today to talk about the latest in the search for their precious daughter.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

B. CELIS: It was -- it is still a big nightmare, still waiting for somebody to wake us up and tell us it`s not true. And it was just draining -- it was so draining. Not to know where she`s at or if she`s OK, it`s -- that`s the hardest thing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One of my producers spoke to Isabel`s mom by phone today, and she told us, "Please keep putting her picture out there. We just really want her home" and for people to keep an eye out. "Keep praying, we want Isabel home for Christmas." And so do we.

What do you think happened? Give me a call: 1-877-586-7297, 1-877- JVM-SAYS.

Straight out to former police chief and private investigator, Tom Shamshak.

Tom, you were there at the Katie show with the Celis family. What did you take away from the missing girl`s parents` interview?

TOM SHAMSHAK, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR: Jane, good evening.


The parents are very deep in the throes of a crisis. You`ll notice from just watching the father, the husband, he`s just focused on the wife, not a lot of sensory stimulation. I mean, he`s really, really fatigued. And she is just so broken-hearted.

I think the key to cracking this case is going to come from investigators constructing a timeline and identifying every individual that this family has interacted with, whether it`s a family member, acquaintance, somebody who`s done work in that area. This is going to break the case by looking at that kind of a -- constructing that timeline - - Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, we have a 550-page police report, 3,000 tips, and still it seems as if investigators have hit a wall.

Sergio, Isabel`s dad, faced some pretty tough scrutiny following the disappearance of his daughter, particularly because he appeared to chuckle on the phone when calling the 911 operator to report his daughter missing. Listen carefully. Decide for yourself.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is mom there also?

S. CELIS: She had just left for work. I just called her, and I told her to get her butt home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ha-ha-ha. A lot of people took offense to that. But we found out today on the Katie Couric show, Isabel`s dad said at first he didn`t think Isabel was really missing. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS: Honestly, at first, I didn`t think she was missing. I thought actually she might have just been taken by either Becky`s brother or her aunt, gone out for breakfast, something logical. Something logical.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Lisa Bloom, you`re the legal analyst for Avo.com, but you`re the author of "Swagger," as well. So you talk about how males deal with stress. Could that explain the dad`s apparent chuckle, which really put everybody -- we all sort of went "What is that?"

LISA BLOOM, LEGAL ANALYST: Absolutely, Jane. You know, we can`t judge somebody who`s going through this profound parenting crisis, the abduction of a child. And he didn`t take it seriously at first. And that`s a natural first human reaction. Also, think of any situation we`ve been in, maybe a funeral or a shocking situation where involuntarily we may have giggled or laughed just from the awkwardness of the situation.

The bottom line is, is that he`s not a suspect, he`s not a person of interest. It does appear to have been an intruder abduction. And that`s what the police are focusing on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, but they haven`t been ruled out either. Katie Couric asked Becky and Sergio if they`d been ruled out in the disappearance of their own daughter, and here`s what Becky told Katie.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

B. CELIS: I think that they can`t rule anything out until Isa comes home. And from, you know, the beginning, we -- you know, everybody questioned what, you know -- what happened or what`s going on. For us, when she comes home, everybody will get their answers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kevin Keen, reporter for KGUN in Tucson, I want to show you the timeline here, the events on April 20 and 21. The parents say, they went to a baseball game, came home. Isabel went to sleep at 11 p.m. in her room. And then her dad says he fell asleep watching TV on the living room couch near Isabel`s room but moved back into his own bedroom at 2 a.m.

Neighbors say their dogs started barking like crazy around 6:30 in the morning.

The next morning, 7 a.m., mom leaves for her nursing job. She did not check on Isabel before leaving, she tells cops.

And then at 8 a.m., Isabel`s father, Sergio, goes into his daughter`s room and says he finds her missing.

Kevin, has anything come out of the apparent bloodstains found in Isabel`s bedroom?

KEVIN KEEN, REPORTER, KGUN (via phone): That`s -- when it comes to that particular aspect, we`ve had very -- such limited information about what police found and what some investigators described as what may -- could be blood. But those were just coming through -- in as police reports, and we`re not able to ask follow-up questions, because this is still an open investigation and they`re still looking into things.
And so there are a lot of unanswered questions about what investigators saw, what they thought they saw, and who it could belong to.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it seems like the cops aren`t really talking. We keep calling them, and we don`t get any new information.

Paul Birmingham, you`re a news director, 7-9 -- 790 KNST, and you`re also a licensed private investigator, quite a combo there.

Listen, I looked at some of the pages of this 550-page police report. Here`s what stood out to me. Something nobody`s been talking about. One man says he saw a young female about 6 to 7 years of age running northbound on Columbus north of speedway around the same time this child disappeared. And he saw a male running after her.

This is just one page of this police report. Do you know anything about that?

PAUL BIRMINGHAM, NEWS DIRECTOR, KNST (via phone): That is something that, yes, in fact, was in the police report. But in many of these instances, Jane, as you mentioned, there are 3,000-plus tips. They have to go check out the tips. And if that doesn`t pan out immediately, there`s not much they can do.

So if they go to that area, they`re not able to find the male or the 6-year-old to meet that description. Then they just have to move on to the next thing.

I believe there are still a number of warrants which have yet to be unsealed in this case. I believe that these warrants will continue to be sealed until such time as the investigation reaches a point that police don`t feel that anything will be compromised if this investigation is made public.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Levi Page, crime blogger, Internet radio host, "The Levi Page Show," out of Nashville, you`ve been following this case. I think police know a heck of a lot more than they`re saying. What do you think?

LEVI PAGE, CRIME BLOGGER: Yes. I absolutely agree with you. I mean, they have to know the results of the alleged blood -- we don`t know if it was blood -- in the room of Isabel. We heard have rumors that there was a note written by Isabel in her closet. The police never commented on that.
And we know that there were dark, red-brownish stains in the family car of Isabel`s parents. They haven`t determined whether that`s blood. They haven`t released it to the public. They probably know whose blood it is. And if it is blood, at this point, they`re keeping things close to the vest. They don`t want to compromise the investigation, because somebody out there took her. Somebody may have killed her. They don`t want to release information to the public and have the perpetrator fix their story.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Kevin Keen, you`re a reporter at KGUN in Tucson. You`ve been covering this. What about this report that we certainly can`t verify that somebody owed somebody money? That either somebody was staying with the Celis family or some have claimed perhaps Sergio himself -- any word on that?

KEEN: No, not recently. That police report contains lots of information. And in those early days, as you did on your show, looking at the family, looking at family friends to see what the connections would be, knowing that back then and even at this point, no one has been ruled out in this investigation. And so the connections between people and if there was money and anything like that is still uncertain.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side of the break, one of my heroes, Mark Lunsford, whose daughter was killed by a monster, a sexual predator. And he`s going to talk to us what it`s like being the focus of a police investigation when you`re the father of the missing child and you have nothing to do with it. That`s next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS: Tell us your demands. Tell us what you want. We will do anything for her. We are looking for you, Isa. We love you. And we miss you so much.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That, the devastated father of missing Isabel Celis. He told Katie Couric it was indescribably [SIC] horrible when, after his daughter vanished, Child Protective Services then told him he could not have contact with his two sons, then ages 10 and 14, for a while anyway. Let`s listen to that.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS: We were already victims of this. And it just felt like we were being victimized even more. They need to do what they need to do. We were going to cooperate and do absolutely everything that they wanted, no matter what -- what kind of suffering we had to go through. What was Isa going through?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, CPS has allowed the family to be reunited. We don`t know what that was all about.

But I want to go to Mark Lunsford, one of my heroes. And his daughter, Jessica, vanished during the night. Initially, they have to look at the family first. There`s the precious child who vanished. Ultimately, police found that a monster by the name of John Couey, a pedophile who was living in the trailer next door, was responsible -- there he is -- responsible for his daughter`s horrific murder.

Mark, thank you as always for joining us. We`re trying to get a sense of what it`s like to be in the shoes of the Celis family. How did police treat you when Jessica, your daughter, went missing?

MARK LUNSFORD, FATHER OF JESSICA LUNSFORD (via phone): Well, when you have cases like this where they have no clues whatsoever, like a child just vanished in midair, they have to start with the family. It can be brutal. It can be very brutal. It can be very tough. But you know, if you ain`t got -- if you ain`t done nothing wrong, you`ll get through it OK.

You know, I see the same thing over there that I see here in Florida. And that`s, you know, there`s 417, I think, registered sex offenders in Tucson, Arizona. I mean, think about all the time that law enforcement is going to have to spend going through all those people.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. But they say they`ve contacted them and they don`t seem to indicate that any of them are a suspect or a person of interest in this case.

Nevertheless, in your case, Mark, this pedophile was living, unbeknownst to them, in a trailer next door to your house, hiding out there. And the police even visited that trailer, it`s believed, while he had your daughter inside and didn`t go far enough to find your daughter, is that correct, sir?

LUNSFORD: Absolutely. And I mean, we should keep things like this in mind with every missing child. How many sex offenders live there that they don`t even know about?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. Mark, as always. Thank you for your insights. And please hang on and weigh in as we go on.

Want to go to the phone lines now. Crystal, Iowa, your question or thought, Crystal.

CALLER: Do you think it`s like she was targeted by a sex offender? And I also think, like, do you think they need better laws for the sex offenders versus the victims?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Tom Shamshak, private investigator, the father on the show talking to Katie said he felt that his daughter was targeted, that it was not a random break-in. What do you think?

SHAMSHAK: Well, obviously, it was a targeted crime here. Somebody either broke in or somebody was admitted into that dwelling and the child was removed. Now, the question is the precipitator, why?

You alluded earlier that there might be an issue of somebody owing money to somebody else. They`re going to run down everybody that`s been in that house. And they`ll identify all of the financial issues of both the family and anybody that was living with them. And I think therein will lie the key to cracking this case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lisa Bloom, it seemed to be the disconnect between the father first chuckling and then at the news conference, sobbing hysterically. Some felt like maybe that was too over the top.

BLOOM: You know, again, we`re so judgmental of victims in this kind of a situation. How would any of us react if our precious child just disappeared, there`s a drop of blood and part of the window was missing? God knows what I would do. You`d probably have to put me in a straightjacket in a padded room. So I`m not going to judge him. They seem like they`re very concerned parents. They`re doing everything possible to get the picture of their daughter out there.

And people have to do that, Jane. Right after a child goes missing, while they`re in that state of shock, everyone advises them, go on TV, get the picture out there. Which they do need to do, in the hope, of getting a tip. So you know, of course they`re going to act strangely. They`re not television professionals.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, we`re going to examine why the dad feels that his daughter was specifically targeted.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

B. CELIS: I went to work this morning at 7 and I just -- I didn`t even come and check on her. I should have come and checked on her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. Just take a deep breath, OK? Does your daughter have any medical conditions?




B. CELIS: No. She has nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m sorry. She has what?

B. CELIS: She has nothing. There`s no medical conditions. She`s healthy. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

She`s got brown hair.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you hear anything at all?

B. CELIS: No, I didn`t hear anything at all.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The mother, very understandably, very believably hysterical upon learning that her daughter had vanished. How could a 6- year-old girl vanish from her bedroom in the middle of the night? Her dad told Katie Couric he has a theory.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

S. CELIS: It had to have been someone that was in our home, at one time or another, to know where her room was and to know where everything is, to know the layout of our home, the back yard, everything. Someone had to have been in our home.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go straight out to a caller, Carol, Arkansas. Your question or thought, Carol, Arkansas?

CALLER: Yes, Jane, thanks for taking my call. We had the same incident about 25 miles from where I live. And I was wondering who babysat her? A neighbor? Because the girl that was killed, a 6-year-old girl, was killed by the next-door neighbor that had babysat and took care of them. Her and her sister. And I was wondering, have they ever investigated to see if she had a babysitter or a friend or a sex offender (ph)?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, excellent question, Carol. I want to go to Tom Shamshak, private investigator.

It seems like all the focus is -- and we often see this, even with the Mark Lunsford case, we saw that this predator was in a trailer next door. Often, even though you search far and wide, it`s the immediate vicinity where the most compelling clues lie.

SHAMSHAK: True. And that`s what law enforcement focuses on early on in these investigations. And they did a great job of canvassing. They went door to door. They had K-9 with them. And they didn`t yield any significant leads or tips.

And so now what we have to do is, again, go back in time and reconstruct this timeline and identify everyone, including what the caller says, anybody that might have had casual contact with this child, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lisa Bloom, do they even have to look at the children? There`s a 14-year-old boy, then 14, then 10.

BLOOM: You have to look at everyone, Jane. It reminds me of the JonBenet Ramsey case. How her brother was questioned and investigated, of course. You have to look at everyone. And even if they`re not going to be suspects or people of interest, they may have information. They may have that one tantalizing, important clue that ends up sealing the case. So absolutely.
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