Lively Case Discussion #654 7/9 - 7/11/2007

[MuffyBee]

O/T but WTF!!  Chicago Reporter Out After Tape Surfaces Showing Her In Swimsuit at Home of Missing Mom Lisa Stebic

http://tinyurl.com/yv5aet

Not very ethical!

[Dayhiker]

I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree. I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.

[/b]

I agree with that point... but I don't know or think that he is involved here...

I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering.  I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.

It's not too wild to speculate that those arrested with Lorenzo during the drug raid were the ones who actually did the dirty work. Always thought arresting them for pot plants was flimsy excuse for something bigger.

[oldfart]

Klaasend

Good to have you back ....

You might ask the NewSan  to move  a lot of this cage to the lounge     You know .... learning how to do new MOD things
It was not Sans fault (but she did like the new Avi) and
Yes we got carried away ... but  
there was no Spittin on the floor... maybe something else but NO spittin
Just a thought    


Since everone else in changing their look... Maybe it is time??
I know the one I have is hard to add stuff to...
I'm wondering how this one would work ?
To be or Not To Be  is the ??

Sorry for being O/T...
SeeYaa

[mrs. red]

I was multi-tasking... didn't mean to make the font so large...


I do agree that LVR is involved in the usual "trade" on the island... but I don't know if he ties into this murder...

I place more blame on CnC's where even Jossy and one of the ALE have stated they put drugs into drinks... that is where it all started  and how they "did it twenty times before"....

of course if we ever find out and I am wrong I will give my cigar up!

[BTgirl]

The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.

[bleachedblack]

Klaasend wrote;

I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering. I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.

My impression though beyond that is that LVR wouldn't be the one to actually do the dirty work. He would likely turn IMO to either a very very wealthy friend, or one of the drug boat runners/ guards/dealers around his place, inside the razor wire.

[klaasend]

Klaasend wrote;

I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering. I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.

My impression though beyond that is that LVR wouldn't be the one to actually do the dirty work. He would likely turn IMO to either a very very wealthy friend, or one of the drug boat runners/ guards/dealers around his place, inside the razor wire.

Yep

[bleachedblack]

O/T but WTF!!  Chicago Reporter Out After Tape Surfaces Showing Her In Swimsuit at Home of Missing Mom Lisa Stebic

http://tinyurl.com/yv5aet

Not very ethical!

Saw that article, I posted in the Lisa Stebic thread in missing persons. Just when you thought you have  heard it all.How crazy are somepeople?

[Anna]

Lorenzo's house is only 1/2 mile from the ocean with docks nearby. Makes sense he'd be the go-to guy.

I believe it is more like 2.5 miles, Dayhiker.

Didn't Blah revise his figures on that?

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[nonesuche]

The reason I bring up Koen is that many people thought he was afraid because he was the one who helped dispose of Natalee's body by using his family's boat. If we're now thinking that Lorenzo used his boat in the disposal, then that might rule out involvement by Koen.

this also could all have occurred if Joran or Paulus or K2 made an inquiry in the wee hours around a boat. one has to wonder if Koen's father was able to stonewall having Koen interrogated that he may have done so on the premise of knowledge we don't have - that perhaps Lorenzo or even Steve Croes were contacted for a boat? No telling who Joran or Paulus might have called, this whole scenario might not have been as neat and tidy as we may be assuming? If the ALE was following the cell phone trail then this could explain some of the interrogations/PV's being related to those drawn in just because they got a phone call that night?

[Dayhiker]

Klaasend wrote;

I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering. I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.

My impression though beyond that is that LVR wouldn't be the one to actually do the dirty work. He would likely turn IMO to either a very very wealthy friend, or one of the drug boat runners/ guards/dealers around his place, inside the razor wire.

Jossy says he's still in jail. For marijuana? That seems strange. With his money he could have posted any amount of bail for that. Since when did marijuana make any difference in Aruba when they allow hard drugs like crack to be sold openly on the streets?

[MuffyBee]

O/T but WTF!!  Chicago Reporter Out After Tape Surfaces Showing Her In Swimsuit at Home of Missing Mom Lisa Stebic

http://tinyurl.com/yv5aet

Not very ethical!

Saw that article, I posted in the Lisa Stebic thread in missing persons. Just when you thought you have  heard it all.How crazy are somepeople?

Thank you for posting it there BB.  I happened to see it when I was checking news online.  It's not easy having to watch this stuff from the sidelines.  I wonder what her friends and family must think and feel?

[Dayhiker]

Lorenzo's house is only 1/2 mile from the ocean with docks nearby. Makes sense he'd be the go-to guy.

I believe it is more like 2.5 miles, Dayhiker.

Didn't Blah revise his figures on that?

.

No, he's 2.5 miles from the bus top near the theater. Only about a half mile from the ocean.

[Observer]

I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree. I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.

[/b]

I agree with that point... but I don't know or think that he is involved here...

I think that part of the reason for the coverup has to do with illegal drugs/porn and money laundering.  I also believe it's entirely possible the Sloot's may have turned to Lorenzo to hide/dispose of Natalee.

It's not too wild to speculate that those arrested with Lorenzo during the drug raid were the ones who actually did the dirty work. Always thought arresting them for pot plants was flimsy excuse for something bigger.

I cant think of any other reason why PVDS would need to go to a ATM at 4AM or whatever time it was...Why would they involve the Gottenboes when they have someone they fully trust in Lorenzo..He has his own house,own boat and looks to be family. He was most likely up when something bad happened and its the most logical place to go for help. It was a monday and everyone else had work/school the next day except Lorenzo.

I am not so sure those other characters that were busted are involved at all. Lorenzo probably knows alot of shady people that could have helped if he was involved in Natalee's dissapearance.

[San]

My guess is disposal. Puts Joran at the south end of the island that morning, near his best friend Lorenzo's house, the guy with the cigarette boat.

Thats a good guess as I think PVDS got NH out of the VDS home and to Lorenzo's after his 4am pickup/drop off.

Joran's best friend and very possibly half-brother. He would be willing. If Lorenzo didn't physically do the the disposal himself he certainly knew the type of slime that would. ATM withdrawals could have been to pay the bifrons.

I agree.  I said that this morning.  One look at those people and you know they would have no problem with the disposal of a body.

[klaasend]

KLAAS IS BACK!!!!!

AND You're sooooooooooo CUTE!!!!!

I wanted everybody to take your avatar, but they've been creative, huh?  

I LOVE the new look!!!!

Klaas? Now that you're back, have you listened to the podcast? At approx. 14 minutes into the interview, Jossy says something that sort of hard to make out, and we've had varying opinions on it. I'd love your opinion. It's the part about Lorenzo being Joran's 1/2 brother. I seem to hear Jossy say that "he, ( Lorenzo ) has confirmed to many people that he is Joran's 1/2 brother" and then Jossy goes on to comment about how they look alike. I think others hear something different.

I'll check that in a bit.  Still catching up.

NUT - yes, I saw that BS post by MF at RU

OK, but when you get to last nights postings, someone was impersonating me......  

Just listened to that part of Dana's show.  It sounded to me like Jossy said something like "here in Aruba, we have confirmed by many people he is the 1/2 brother of Joran.  He is the same height and has the same facial features (Jossy didn't say features but that's what me meant)"

[Dayhiker]

It's not too wild to speculate that those arrested with Lorenzo during the drug raid were the ones who actually did the dirty work. Always thought arresting them for pot plants was flimsy excuse for something bigger.

I cant think of any other reason why PVDS would need to go to a ATM at 4AM or whatever time it was...Why would they involve the Gottenboes when they have someone they fully trust in Lorenzo..He has his own house,own boat and looks to be family. He was most likely up when something bad happened and its the most logical place to go for help. It was a monday and everyone else had work/school the next day except Lorenzo.

I am not so sure those other characters that were busted are involved at all. Lorenzo probably knows alot of shady people that could have helped if he was involved in Natalee's dissapearance.

I agree ******* and San, Lorenzo fits the profile of someone who would be connected to the underworld to do a disposal. Koen doesn't. Koen is way the hell up at the north end of the island. Lorenzo is right there where Joran was the next morning.

[Anna]

I know I will get flames for this but I will say it again...

I truly think that they used Lorenzo as "bait"  they knew if we heard of him and were told to leave it alone we would chase like mad after him.... it's why I think decoy...

get us going away from the guilty ones....

I think more along the lines of Freddy, koen, heck even michael dompig...

No flames but I do disagree. I think Lorenzo is chin deep in the drug and porn business in Aruba.

[/b]

I agree with that point... but I don't know or think that he is involved here...

I can't find anything at all to link Lorenzo to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway other than rumors, not one thing.  And I do reserve the right to hold that opinion, unpopular as it might be.

I try very hard to only state what I believe and sometimes why and to NEVER tell another what they SHOULD think.

We are all thinking people and so I assume others have their reasons for arriving at their conclusions just as I know I have my own.  All of us carefully consider things and arrive at our own conclusions.

No one of us knows for a fact what happened to Natalee but after so long, we do all have our theories.  To my knowledge, there is no consensus on theories.  We should still be able to think something not in line with the majority.

JMO

[Dihannah1]

Here you go, Dihannah. Per your request.  


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Wow your fast!  I wasn't even sure if you were on!  Thank you so much!  K, off to get dressed...    

[bleachedblack]

From whom did we hear how frightened Koen had been? Was it someone reliable or someone we've come to distrust?

I know Dave wrote about it in his book.

Do you remember what he said? My copy of Dave's book is lost somewhere in the zillions of books we have in our house.  

I will keep looking..........