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« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2012, 12:11:10 PM »

From the Beginning

‘'Scarborough Country' for Oct. 21st
updated 10/23/2005 4:46:55 PM ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S MOTHER: They never—they never wanted to implicate these three young men. They never wanted to implicate them from the beginning. And there is a list of reasons, you know, why we know that is true.

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« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2012, 12:17:57 PM »

The Media - Our Best Friend

Transcript: Corruption in Paradise?
Published April 11, 2006


DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn’t been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we’d have been calling back to Aruba “Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?” I truly believe that.

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« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2012, 12:30:54 PM »

Aruba Never Pass the Ball - Not for One Minute

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman


Page 157:  Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it

Page 184:  Then FBI agent Bill comes by and delivers the final blow.  "The FBI has never received one single document from the Arubans.  Not one tape.  Nothing." he says sadly.  Despite our personal pleas to authorities here and our broadcast appeals to Aruba to let the FBI lend a hand, and regardless of Aruba's public response that it would welcome FBI assistance, the island never let FBI agents in on the investigation. Never passed them the ball.  Not even for one minute.
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« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2012, 12:36:53 PM »

We have Expectations

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 209:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


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« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2012, 06:46:49 PM »

WARNING:  Graphic image at the link

...wondering if she's American?

http://www.awe24.com/20120804/11441/Net_dilanti_Club_21_un_auto_a_pasa_dal_dama_peaton_y_a_sigui_core_bay_lagando

Papiamentu translation:

just fast club 21 one car owing to happen strike lady peaton y owing to follow core bay, lagando the victima seriamente injury

13 hora happen come across, 4 of august 2012 05:04

seccion: incidente saturday madruga owing to enter informe of one accidente where one car will owing to strike one lady fast of club 21, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu one car diminutive color black or dark will owing to happen strike one lady peaton y owing to follow core bay direccion east lagando the lady seriamente injury. at arrival of ambulance they owing to atende the lady y owing to transporte cu sumo urgencia for hospital cu trauma at cabez y cu situation instabiel. informenan not oficial cu we owing to succeed achieve is indica cu the victima both leg is break, ela achieve golpi at lung y also have ribchi break. we will follow informa......
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #45 on: August 04, 2012, 07:22:30 PM »

TM - does this article say it was a hit and run, she is 30yrs old and in grave condition?

http://24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51019:colombiana-di-30-ana-bayendo-club-21-mal-herida-den-hit-and-run&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8
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« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2012, 10:18:35 PM »


Yes, they are saying the head injury is the most serious of her injuries.  Also according to the link, she is Colombian.

http://24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51019:colombiana-di-30-ana-bayendo-club-21-mal-herida-den-hit-and-run&catid=6:policial&Itemid=8

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lady cu was bayendo club 21 bad injury in hit and run

saturday, 04 august 2012 14:31

was algo happen of 4or cu one accidente owing to sosode cual owing to let behind one lady of 30 year gravemente injury. the was bayendo the momentonan ey of marduga for club 21. canando parcialmente on caminda owing to being gedal for one car. the golpinan was earnest principalmente at cabes. enough blood owing to stay on caminda. polisnan owing to wordo calling at once y they owing to present at the luga. ambulance also owing to wordo ask y cu urgencia owing to transporta the lady. polisnan owing to cuminsa one investigacion at once on the caso. esnan cu was at the sitio not can tell kico car, color y niether number of the car cu owing to strike the lady. polisnan of trafico have atencion extra for her caso here y is buscando the chauffeur y the car cu owing to strike the victima bay lag'e throw close of club 21 at beach..
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #47 on: August 04, 2012, 10:51:19 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/english/122308-tackle-curs-to-alter-reverse-image-with-tourists-

Tackle curs to alter reverse image with tourists       
Thursday, 2 August 2012 11:48 

ORANJESTAD — The image of neglected, sick and aggressive dogs on the beaches and streets is an eyesore for tourists and a reason not to visit Aruba again. For the government this is actually a reason to make the promised budget available in tackling the problem with curs, despite the Regulation on Dogs that stipulates conditions to treat animals well. This regulation is expected to be ready at the end of this year.The Amigoe reported yesterday that Animal Rights Aruba (ARA), Veterinary Service Aruba Tourism Authority (ATA) and Tourism Product Enhancement fund (TPEF) joined hands to launch an awareness campaign. The aim is to alter the reverse image that tourists have on how Aruba treats curs. The chairman of the fund, Jan van Nes, also manages Hotel Playa Linda. He stated that on the review website Tripadvisor, his hotel receives positive reactions on the beach, the catering industry and the friendly people but that the sight of curs is a reason not to spend another holiday on Aruba. “We must do something to show that we are most certainly taking action”, he said. Director Ronella Croes of ATA endorsed this. “We are used to seeing neglected dogs and pups on the streets but for tourists visiting our island for the first time this is a reason to file a complaint with ATA and not return to the island.”  She explained this was also a reason for ATA to help tackle the problem of curs. “We want to do something to remove the reverse image with the tourists and we want to make the people aware that a behavioral change towards animals is necessary.”
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« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2012, 02:26:39 AM »

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Missing-in-Aruba-one-year-later/QX8jRRDzDUm9968fOySn_g.cspx

Missing in Aruba...one year later


Published: 8/03 12:49 pm Updated: 8/03 1:18 pm


Birmingham, Alabama (WIAT)  Robyn Gardner's family is enduring the first year anniversary of her disappearance on vacation on Aruba...a pain Natalee Holloway's family can understand like few others.

The two cases happened years apart under different circumstances but there are eery similarities. In each case a vacationing American woman disappeared on the island, last seen with a man who, although investigated by local authorities,  was released and not charged.

The 35-year-old Gardner was reported missing on Aug. 2, 2011 by her travel companion Gary Giordano, who claimed she was swept out to sea while the two were snorkeling.

Apparently stung by comparisons to the 2005 disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway on a graduation trip, island officials conducted extensive searches for Gardner but turned up nothing. Aruban authorities held Giordano as long as they could but released him when they couldn't develop enough evidence to hold keep him on the island.

Family and friends gathered inside a small Frederick, Md. art gallery Wednesday to mark Gardner's disappearance, reports CBS affiliate WUSA. Participants were adamant that Wednesday's service was not a memorial.

"The idea is to have a vigil for someone who is missing with the hopes that she's possibly still alive," said organizer and friend Christina Jones.

Giordano is the lone suspect in her disappearance but was never charged. He was jailed for four months in Aruba but was let go for lack of evidence. He has since returned to Maryland and has filed a claim with an insurance company for the $3.5 million life insurance policy he had taken out on Gardner.

Natalee Holloway's father had his daughter declared legally dead last year, a move mother Beth went along with reluctantly. What the Holloways have in common with Gardner's friends and family is their continued quest for answers to what happened and why.

Giordano's counterpart in the Holloway case is Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch teen living on Aruba at the time of Natalee's disappearance. She was last seen leaving an Oranjestad bar with van der Sloot and two of his local pals.

Like Giordano he was questioned but released by Aruban authorities. Van der Sloot is currently serving a 28 year murder sentence in Peru. He was convicted of killing a Peruvian student he met in a casino. Stephany Flores' corpse was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day that he walked out of that Aruban bar with Natalee.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #49 on: August 05, 2012, 04:15:02 AM »

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

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« Reply #50 on: August 05, 2012, 07:00:32 PM »

http://arubaherald.com/local/3094-thirteen-year-old-girl-reported-missing.html

Thirteen-year-old girl reported missing
Sunday, 05 August 2012 14:46


Manuela Velasco Echeverry, born in Colombia on November 13, 1998 and living at Chuchubistraat 14 was last seen on August 2 at 9 p.m., when she went to bed. Manuela is a student at EPB, she has light brown skin, is of normal build and has a length of 1:73 meters. If you have seen or know where Manuela is, please contact her mother Claudia Velasco Echeverry at telephone 7448310.
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« Reply #51 on: August 05, 2012, 10:55:39 PM »

http://arubaherald.com/local/3094-thirteen-year-old-girl-reported-missing.html

Thirteen-year-old girl reported missing
Sunday, 05 August 2012 14:46


Manuela Velasco Echeverry, born in Colombia on November 13, 1998 and living at Chuchubistraat 14 was last seen on August 2 at 9 p.m., when she went to bed. Manuela is a student at EPB, she has light brown skin, is of normal build and has a length of 1:73 meters. If you have seen or know where Manuela is, please contact her mother Claudia Velasco Echeverry at telephone 7448310.


Thank goodness, looks like she's back home!   

http://www.24ora.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=51060:hoben-di-13-anja-cu-tabata-perdi-ta-bek-na-cas-&catid=1:local&Itemid=5

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young of 13 anja cu was perdi is back at home

sunday, 05 august 2012 18:59

manuela velasco echeverry naci at colombia 13-11-1998 was being busca. the live at chuchubistraat 4. the is bishitando epb y is measure 1.73 metre. the have postura slank y color of cuero lichtbruin. by 2 of august for 9 or of night past owing to wordo see ultimo hour past owing to go sleep. family was enough preocupa. police also was atendo for her situation here. diadomingo in oranan of nightfall owing to enter informacion cu the young perdi owing to go back cas. assure past owing to hear cu have one buskeda for his person y past owing to go back cas. the is good of salud but the motibo of his baimento do not conoci.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #52 on: August 05, 2012, 11:05:58 PM »

Thanks TM!  Glad to here she is back home!
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« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2012, 11:17:36 AM »

http://www.nd.nl/artikelen/2012/augustus/06/joran-van-der-sloot-is-jarig

posted: 08/06/2012 - 9.00  last updated:08/06/2012 - 9.00
Joran van der Sloot's birthday

Joran van der Sloot is Monday 25 years old. His birthday must in the heavily guarded prison in Lima Piedras Gordas celebrate. He sits a prison sentence of 28 years for the murder of Peruvian Stephany Flores in May 2010.

If he must serve the entire sentence, Van der Sloot 52 years if he leaves his cell. It is possible that he is leaving the cell more. He can deduct if he works in the prison. Then for every two days work a day off his sentence.

He may also by a treaty to be extradited to the Netherlands. The possibility of this happening is regarded as small by the experts. Moreover, it is an extradition request from the United States over the head. Justice in the U.S. wants to prosecute him for the extortion of the mother in 2005 in Aruba missing teen Natalee Holloway.
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The current counsel for Van der Sloot, Maximo Altez, believes that his previous lawyer, the Dutchman is not well defended. He wants to start a special procedure so that the business is done, but this Peruvian penal experts consider useless. There is also an appeal in his case.
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« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2012, 02:46:12 PM »

FLASHBACK - AUGUST 6, 2005

Attorney-FBI Conflict In Aruba
August 6, 2005 11:56 AM


Attorneys for the suspect in the case of Natalee Holloway don't want the FBI getting information from Aruban authorities. Correspondent Mike Kirsch is in Aruba.

Video:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=763638n

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« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2012, 03:47:10 PM »

The cover up ... originated by Paulus van der Sloot to protect his son from the consequences of his actions in regards to the truth encompassing the demise of Natalee Holloway and furthered by a corrupt Aruban investigation ... was so unnecessary.  If the truth had been forthcoming at the getgo:

1.  Joran ... a minor ... would have received a legal slap on the wrist from the Auban/Dutch Justice System.

2.  Natalee Holloway's family would have been afforded a measure of closure.

3.  The 18 year old American who did not return home following a graduation trip to Aruba would be a distance memory.

4.  Aruba would still be that "One Happy Island".

5.  Joran would not be sitting in a Peruvian lockup.

6.  A young lady named Stephany Flores would be persuing her dreams.


Should have Stepped Forward in the Beginning

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JUG TWITTY:  I wish what should have happened in this thing is Paul Van Der Sloot should have been a man, he should have stepped forward in the beginning. He should have talked to Joran that night. They should have admitted that something went wrong out there, which I know he knows that happened.

And if he would have come forward and said Joran did this, it`s a terrible mistake, it`s an accident, he`s still underage, he`s a minor, even if they killed Natalee he probably would have gotten off with about five years. Paul could have held -- kept his job, and we could have gone on with our lives, you know, or whatever.

But this guy, Paul Van Der Sloot is so thick in this thing it`s unbelievable.

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I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of the rest of Joran's life? .... 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#
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« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2012, 03:47:50 PM »

We have Expectations

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway with Sunny Tillman

Pages 209:
  Bad things happen everywhere.  But the difference we need to consider when something bad happens outside the country is the help available for the victims and their families.  When we leave these borders, we leave behind all the privileges and rights we're all accustomed to and often take for granted.  We have expectations that there will be a safety net of law-abiding official, no matter where we travel, or that our US embassy will come to our rescue.  But that's terribly naive ...


Natalee Holloway Resource Center (NHRC)
http://www.crimemuseum.org/NHRC

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« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2012, 05:34:29 PM »

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive.
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« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2012, 12:23:43 AM »

American tourist dies at Baby Beach?

http://www.awe24.com/20120806/11472/Homber_turista_a_hoga_ora_ela_bay_rescata_su_casa_cu_tabata_den_lama_bruto_na





man tourist owing to hoga hour ela bay rescata his casa cu was in lama bruto at baby beach

 version policial.. monday nightfall for more or less 13:30 hrs, central of police is achieve one call of cu one person will is perdi in lama, just pafo of the mouth of baby beach. autoridadnan necesario (kustwacht, police maritimo, slachtofferhulp, helicopter of police, brandweer, sarfa, etc, etc).ta being send at the sitio y eynan they're come encontra cu several boluntario (civil) cu was buscando in lama end. after of more or less 1 hour of buskeda owing to come encontra the curpa without life of the victima, the tourist masculino: danny roundfield u.s.a. 26 of half 1953 hospedando cu his madam in renaissance hotel according declaracionnan at the sitio the madam will owing to haye in problem in lama bruto y the victima will owing to save his madam pe the hour ey wordo lastra the self door of lama bruto y corriente strong. till so far not have niun indicacion of cu is deal here of one crimen but more bien of one caso of hogamento in lama bruto. recherche have the caso. slachtofferhulp of police is dunando sosten at the madam of the victima. of part of awe24.com y cuerpo policial wanted send condolencia at the family of the victima. come across
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« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2012, 12:55:08 AM »

American tourist dies at Baby Beach?

http://www.awe24.com/20120806/11472/Homber_turista_a_hoga_ora_ela_bay_rescata_su_casa_cu_tabata_den_lama_bruto_na





man tourist owing to hoga hour ela bay rescata his casa cu was in lama bruto at baby beach

 version policial.. monday nightfall for more or less 13:30 hrs, central of police is achieve one call of cu one person will is perdi in lama, just pafo of the mouth of baby beach. autoridadnan necesario (kustwacht, police maritimo, slachtofferhulp, helicopter of police, brandweer, sarfa, etc, etc).ta being send at the sitio y eynan they're come encontra cu several boluntario (civil) cu was buscando in lama end. after of more or less 1 hour of buskeda owing to come encontra the curpa without life of the victima, the tourist masculino: danny roundfield u.s.a. 26 of half 1953 hospedando cu his madam in renaissance hotel according declaracionnan at the sitio the madam will owing to haye in problem in lama bruto y the victima will owing to save his madam pe the hour ey wordo lastra the self door of lama bruto y corriente strong. till so far not have niun indicacion of cu is deal here of one crimen but more bien of one caso of hogamento in lama bruto. recherche have the caso. slachtofferhulp of police is dunando sosten at the madam of the victima. of part of awe24.com y cuerpo policial wanted send condolencia at the family of the victima. come across

 

Thanks Klaas.  It's almost like the twilight zone isn't it?

Guess there's probably one person in this world that's probably happy about this?

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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