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« Reply #540 on: October 11, 2012, 12:15:06 PM »


CONJUGAL VISITS

Why can Joran van der Sloot's attorneys not get their respective stories straight in regards to their client and conjugal visits while detained Piedras Gordas Prison.

Janet

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Aldo-Favio Cotrina

Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


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The legal development comes in light of the latest scandal involving the jailed Casanova as a Peruvian woman claimed she was pregnant with his child.

"It is not true that Joran got someone pregnant," his lawyer revealed. "He doesn’t have any conjugal visitation, in order to get that you have to be married as it is only allowed with a wife.

Instead, he claims Carol Figueroa Uceda, also known as Leidi, is the latest in a long list of obsessed females stalking his client behind bars, which includes two young girls who traveled from Germany and Switzerland and begged to have access to him.

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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed


Maximo Altez Navarro

Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot reportedly impregnates woman while imprisoned in Peru
Published October 08, 2012


A newspaper reported Monday that Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch man who is serving a 28-year-sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman, says he is going to be a father. His attorney said the inmate does have a conjugal visitor, though he could not confirm she was pregnant.

The Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf said Van der Sloot, a suspect in the 2005 disappearance of U.S. teenager Natalee Holloway, himself told it in a telephone call on Saturday that "a test has proved" the pregnancy.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/08/convicted-killer-joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-impregnates-woman-while/


Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison
Oct. 8, 2012


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Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly.
 
Uceda, however, had been authorized to visit van der Sloot for conjugal visits, he said. Altez said he originally utilized the woman, who had access to the prison, to help him run errands there. Later, he helped make arrangements to grant her permission for conjugal visits with van der Sloot.

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http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249
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« Reply #541 on: October 11, 2012, 12:49:49 PM »

Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights  are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

<snipped>

Since then his current legal team led by Maximo Altez Navarro and Cotrina have lodged appeals against the lengthy sentence in both Peru and Washington DC, claiming the judges did not take into account his prior confession.

"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina told Radar.

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed




God perfect timing implies that justice delayed is not justice denied ... it is just delayed.  I believe but I wish I had more patience.

Janet

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Peru court: Can extradite Dutchman after prison
June 4, 2012


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Van der Sloot is appealing his sentence, and the Supreme Court said that if the appeal is successful he could be extradited immediately thereafter. Altez said his client would resist that.

"At the end of the day, the decision on whether to extradite Joran is political," he said.

He contends Van der Sloot could not receive a fair trial in the United States "because he's been satanized by the press. He is seen as a demon in the United States and would be judged by a jury made up of common people who are influenced by the press and would surely give him the maximum sentence."

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/06/04/peru-court-dutchman-extradition-after-sentence/
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« Reply #542 on: October 11, 2012, 02:33:35 PM »

who is neymar?

It's on the cake, if I split the word, "March" comes up in the translation.  I think Mathias may have been born in March...

I've also seen "Neymar" written on pictures of (Leidy's baby) Mathias, so maybe that's one of his names?

 



Texasmom, according to Google translate, the word "neymar" is a Portuguese word/name.  Google came up with "Neymar" a Brazilian soccer player (Portuguese is spoken in Brazil).  The picture of the party has a banner with a soccer ball...so there might be a connection between soccer and "Neymar."
Neymar da Silva Santos Júnior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neymar

Of course, I could be totally wrong.   


Maybe he was partially named after a famous soccer player?  That makes sense imo.

 

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« Reply #543 on: October 11, 2012, 03:48:33 PM »

Just thinking on the timeline of this so-called pregnancy.

Jun  2010  - Joran incarcerated in Peru

9 months of pregnancy

The child can't be more than 1 1/2 years old at most.
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« Reply #544 on: October 11, 2012, 04:04:34 PM »

wahhhh!!!! said the little baby. Monkey Devil!

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7/19/2012
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/19/joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-getting-married-seeks-overturn-of-prison-sentence.html


Joran Van der Sloot Reportedly Getting Married, Seeks Overturn of Prison Sentence
 ::snipping2::
In an interview in Lima with Newsweek, Jimenez, Van der Sloot’s former attorney, showed two letters Van der Sloot wrote in January, in the days following his conviction, in which Van der Sloot states that he is satisfied with the sentence. “How could I have cheated him if he expressed his satisfaction in two letters?” says Jimenez, pointing to where Van der Sloot wrote: “What me and Jimenez did was the best,” and “I am pleased with Mr. Jimenez’s work.”

“Both were written right after his sentencing, so if I had offered a plea bargain, how could he declare to be satisfied with my work in writing? I was his attorney until May; why didn’t he take me off the case immediately after the trial in January?”

Jimenez says he had attempted to put forth claims that his client suffered from post-traumatic-stress disorder when he attacked Flores, but the court concluded: “The defendant does not present psychosis, nor any other psychiatric conditions that would limit him in any way; he is conscious and responsible for his actions.”

Altez had been Van der Sloot’s attorney initially, but was taken off the case after having a disagreement with the Dutchman in 2011. According to Altez, they recently patched up their differences and currently, Joran’s mother, Anita Van der Sloot-Hugen, is paying the lawyer’s fees.

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Probably - from the money he and his ma suckered CLUELESS SCARY MARY out of... and whatever else Anita could get a-whorin'.

Joran doesn't have a prayer.

He was smoked, by his own hand. These are the last exercises of futility from a desperate, dying, condemned man-boy.

Evil dies 1,000 deaths. Slow, painful, drawn out, and torturous.

Anita's dreams, hopes, and wishes; shattered like dinner plate shards all over her kitchen floor.

You really do reap what you sow in this world! I wish someone would send Joran a pacifier... he really needs to stop whining.
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« Reply #545 on: October 11, 2012, 04:18:08 PM »



TRANSLATED:
Joran almost a year old - with rijn parents on the bank in Arnhem




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« Reply #546 on: October 11, 2012, 04:29:25 PM »

Nota'Suegro 'of Joran van der Sloot $ 10,000 U.S. pretends her daughter's disappearance

Thursday October 11, 2012 | 12:53

Carlos Figueroa quoted to arrange media interviews "exclusive". However, he dropped the 'business' when the very 'concerned' over the phone gave him away.

The alleged arrival of his future grandson accounts put him out, but he never imagined that the business is so fast aguaría. Carlos Figueroa, Figueroa Uceda Lady's father, who would be pregnant the murderer Joran van der Sloot-faked her daughter's disappearance and summoned the media to negotiate how much money they could make public the complaint.

"Nothing is free, everything is negotiable, bluntly, without anything," said a team of ATV 'distressed' father, who asked for nothing less than the exclusive $ 10,000. "This format goes abroad," he said, trying to convince reporters.

However, he soon had to change their strategy, because their own 23 year old daughter revealed the deception.

- Hey, Lady, I went to the police station to make a report

- What complaint?

- I've gone two nights

- What two nights?

Despite being discovered, Figueroa gave up and instead of S/.1, 000 offered an exclusive interview with his daughter, to count all the "details" of her pregnancy.

Finally, through a phone call, the girl herself asked the media that "screwed up" to his father, who had assured the press that he was "harassed".

http://peru21.pe/actualidad/suegro-van-der-sloot-finge-us10000-desaparicion-su-hija-2046137
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« Reply #547 on: October 11, 2012, 04:56:43 PM »

VAN DER SLOOT: REVERSAL OF FORTUNE?
Published on: October 11, 2012

Convicted killer JORAN VAN DER SLOOT may have his conviction overturned.

The Dutch thug who was convicted of killing Stephany Flores may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com reported.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights are going to givea final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, revealed.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

 ::snipping2::

Since then his current legal team led by Maximo Altez Navarro and Cotrina have filed appeals against the lengthy sentence in both Peru and Washington DC, claiming the judges did not take into consideration his prior confession which may have been coerced under durress.

"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina said.
DEVELOPING>>>>

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/true-crime/van-der-sloot-reversal-fortune
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« Reply #548 on: October 11, 2012, 04:58:44 PM »

Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights  are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

<snipped>

Since then his current legal team led by Maximo Altez Navarro and Cotrina have lodged appeals against the lengthy sentence in both Peru and Washington DC, claiming the judges did not take into account his prior confession.

"A letter was sent to us from the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights last month confirming that they have accepted his case," Cotrina told Radar.

<snipped>

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed



Thanks for posting the following article Carpe.

Considering there were letters written by Joran van der Sloot immmediately following the trial ... letters to his then attorney Jimenez commending him in regards to his representation ... WHY did the Inter-American Commission of Human Rights accept the case appealing the 28 year sentence and ... WHY has the Third Penal Court of Lima accepted the case appealing the 28 year sentence?

Janet

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Joran Van der Sloot Reportedly Getting Married, Seeks Overturn of Prison Sentence
Jul 19, 2012 6:20 AM EDT


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Two weeks ago, the Third Penal Court of Lima accepted the paperwork submitted by Van der Sloot’s defense attorney, Maximo Altez, in which he requests that the sentence be annulled. The court clerk stated that he meets the requirements the law establishes for its respective review, and this recourse has been handed over to Peru’s Supreme Court for evaluation

“If we are allowed to proceed, we will request a revision of the sentence, where Joran will say he was ill-advised by his previous attorney who had promised him 15 years in exchange for a guilty plea,” Altez said during a phone interview in Lima.

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In an interview in Lima with Newsweek, Jimenez, Van der Sloot’s former attorney, showed two letters Van der Sloot wrote in January, in the days following his conviction, in which Van der Sloot states that he is satisfied with the sentence. “How could I have cheated him if he expressed his satisfaction in two letters?” says Jimenez, pointing to where Van der Sloot wrote: “What me and Jimenez did was the best,” and “I am pleased with Mr. Jimenez’s work.”

“Both were written right after his sentencing, so if I had offered a plea bargain, how could he declare to be satisfied with my work in writing? I was his attorney until May; why didn’t he take me off the case immediately after the trial in January?”
Jimenez says he had attempted to put forth claims that his client suffered from post-traumatic-stress disorder when he attacked Flores, but the court concluded: “The defendant does not present psychosis, nor any other psychiatric conditions that would limit him in any way; he is conscious and responsible for his actions.”

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/19/joran-van-der-sloot-reportedly-getting-married-seeks-overturn-of-prison-sentence.html

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« Reply #549 on: October 11, 2012, 04:59:20 PM »

Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Posted on Oct 10, 2012 @ 09:00PM   

Convicted killer Joran van der Sloot may be back in court by the end of the year fighting to have his sentence overturned, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.

"The Inter-American Commission of Human Rights  are going to give a final decision by December," van der Sloot's lawyer, Aldo-Favio Cotrina, told RadarOnline.com in an exclusive interview.

"They could reverse the case and order a new trial to have his sentence reduced," he explained. "This is very good news for Joran!"

 ::snipping2::

The legal development comes in light of the latest scandal involving the jailed Casanova as a Peruvian woman claimed she was pregnant with his child.

"It is not true that Joran got someone pregnant," his lawyer revealed. "He doesn’t have any conjugal visitation, in order to get that you have to be married as it is only allowed with a wife.

Instead, he claims Carol Figueroa Uceda, also known as Leidi, is the latest in a long list of obsessed females stalking his client behind bars, which includes two young girls who traveled from Germany and Switzerland and begged to have access to him.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed
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« Reply #550 on: October 11, 2012, 05:51:52 PM »



TRANSLATED:
Joran almost a year old - with rijn parents on the bank in Arnhem







I feel like crying when I see these photos ... photos that capture a little boy who has so much future potential for good

If only this little boy in the photos was raised by parents who taught him that he was not above the established legal and moral expectations/boundaries of a civilized society ... established for his well-being and the well-being of others and ... if only this little boy was taught that there were consequences for choosing to disregard those established expectations/boundaries ... Joran would not be sitting in a Peruvian lockup and ... Natalee and Stephany would be chasing their dreams.

Janet

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The Chain of Events

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006


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JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos.  If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos[, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/


Anything to Protect My Son

'Scarborough Country' for August 1
updated 8/2/2005 11:48:34 AM ET


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JOE SCARBOROUGH, HOST: You know, I don‘t want to sound naive here, Dave, but how does that make you feel? I mean, I can‘t imagine me instructing my son, if he were involved in something like this, on how to cover up a disappearance and a possible murder. Just on a personal level, as a father, how does it make you feel, looking into the eyes of another father, of another 17- or 18-year-old who‘s got the information on where your daughter is tonight, possibly, and yet it seems like he‘s doing everything he can to hide that truth?

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY’S FATHER: It‘s hard. And you‘ve got to obey the law. And that‘s one of the reasons I brought him some spiritual books to look at. And maybe he'll have a change of Heart.  It all comes down to morals.

And one of the statements that I really remember, and it sinks in, is, he can understand my position as a father, but, as the father of Joran, he‘ll do anything to protect his son.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8798488/ns/msnbc-morning_joe/t/scarborough-country-august/
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« Reply #551 on: October 11, 2012, 06:07:53 PM »

If only Paulus and Anita had comprehended the benefits of tough love.  Doing right when it come to guiding our children in a positive direction in life can be heartbreaking and bring us to our knees but it is right nevertheless.

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Teen turned into authorities after parents report him
Published: 1:59 pm Updated: 2:07 pm


BIRMINGHAM, Ala (WIAT)-Deputies were called to the 4400 block of South Drive, following up on a burglary report from the day before.

Chief Deputy Randy Christian says that the parents of the suspect told police that their neighbor had told them that their home had been burglarized.

After confronting their seventeen year old son, he admitted to breaking into the home and the television was located in the trunk of his car.

After admitting to the parents, they called the Sheriff's Office to turn him in, and the television was returned to the owner.

Christian says the son was arrested and charged with Burglary 3rd degree.

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« Reply #552 on: October 11, 2012, 06:24:32 PM »

For the Love of Joran

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I am amazed that the people who love or care for Joran do not yet see that he needs the help that can only be provided by him going to the authorities and telling the entire truth. Being rejected by society, labled as a criminal, all are taking a horrible toll on Joran that is going to fuel his addictions and push him further and further into a self destructive lifestyle. I would think his mother would recognize Joran's needs, and see the benefit he would gain even from incarceration. Isn't an investment of five or so years worth a return of trhe rest of Joran's life? .... 

It is very telling that Beth's life is getting brighter every day, considering her loss, yet Joran the boy who "got away with it" is descending deeper and deeper into a self convicted sentence of life without parole unless he confesses. He will never, never be able to move on from this without repentance. Corny, yes, self serving, yes I want him to tell the truth, but is it the absolute truth, the absolute gospel, yes. Surprise, no, it is as the Bible teaches.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2804.msg377586#msg377586
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« Reply #553 on: October 11, 2012, 06:56:07 PM »

http://relatie.blog.nl/apart/2012/10/11/joran-van-der-sloot-is-al-vader-van-een-zoontje

Google translation

Joran van der Sloot was already the father of a son
October 11, 2012



The girlfriend of Joran van der Sloot is pregnant, as we reported a few days ago. But now there are rumors that Joran already father of a son .........
 
Sources claim that Joran already has a son with his fiancee Leidy, the girl who is now pregnant by him would be. Leidy meets every month in prison along with a 2 year old little boy that is called Mathias, reports the Peruvian site Trome.
 
Nobody knows quite sure whether or not Joran's father was Mathias. It is unclear how long Leidy and Joran already have a relationship.
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« Reply #554 on: October 11, 2012, 09:44:11 PM »

http://amigoe.com/english/131223-women-extremely-exploited-by-bonaire-paradise-inn-

Women extremely exploited by Bonaire Paradise Inn         

WEDNESDAY, 10 OCTOBER 2012 16:50

KRALENDIJK — In a joint press conference the Public Prosecutor, the Police Corps Caribbean Netherlands and the Royal Military Police Caribbean Area explained the seriousness of the first human trafficking case on Bonaire in detail. The Columbian women are to work under degrading circumstances considering the prevailing standards, values and social indicators here, said Field officer of Justice David van Delft. “They were forced to work under circumstances that local employees will never accept and that government wouldn’t tolerate”, the Office of Justice said furiously.

Human trafficking is a serious matter. High priority is given regionally, nationally and internationally to combat this. At regional level the responsible ministers of Justice of Aruba, Curaçao, St. Maarten and the BES-Islands signed a ‘Memorandum of Understanding’ in which they promise each other to do everything to tackle this phenomenon. Also internationally, high priority is given to combat human trafficking through treaties.

According to Van Delft, from the point of view of the countries associated with the treaty on human trafficking, the latter is a form of slavery; it’s a form of exploitation. One is to view exploitation of the prevailing standards, values and social indicators in the country where the work is performed and not in the country of origin. “You allow people to work in circumstances that local employees would never accept and the governments would never tolerate”, said the Officer of Justice.

He said the remark that those Columbian women are worse off in Columbia is uncalled-for and it annoys him. Van Delft: “We consider what’s acceptable on Bonaire. The women are to work here under degrading circumstances. They are limited in their freedom of movement, are locked up at night and are subjected to a system where they have to pay a fine when they return too late.”

Van Delft further explained the investigation revealed that a large part of the income of the Columbian women working here is taken from them. It regards exorbitant amounts, he said. The investigation also disclosed that the ladies are to hand over the proceeds of the first 45 services offered to the clients. It is only after they hand this over that they starting earning something. They are to pay for their ticket to Curaçao and to pay an amount of around 500 dollars here on administration costs.

Moreover, although they are independent persons without personnel, a kind of one-man business, they are to sign a contract with Paradise Inn. There is a question of extreme exploitation and extreme gain for those exploiting these ladies, said Van Delft.
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« Reply #555 on: October 12, 2012, 04:54:09 PM »

That Bonaire Paradise Inn story is sad. Those poor women, so hopeless. How can we as a society allow this to happen?
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« Reply #556 on: October 12, 2012, 05:46:58 PM »

http://relatie.blog.nl/apart/2012/10/11/joran-van-der-sloot-is-al-vader-van-een-zoontje

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Joran van der Sloot was already the father of a son
October 11, 2012



The girlfriend of Joran van der Sloot is pregnant, as we reported a few days ago. But now there are rumors that Joran already father of a son .........
 
Sources claim that Joran already has a son with his fiancee Leidy, the girl who is now pregnant by him would be. Leidy meets every month in prison along with a 2 year old little boy that is called Mathias, reports the Peruvian site Trome.
 
Nobody knows quite sure whether or not Joran's father was Mathias. It is unclear how long Leidy and Joran already have a relationship.
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Considering it has been documented that Leidy has been in the picture since the first "baby" story in July 2011 while Joran was detained at Castro Castro ... could it be that Joran does currently has a son and ... another baby on the way?

Considering the privilege of conjugal visits at Piedras Gordas Prison are only afforded to married inmates ... could it be that Joran and Leidy did marry in June, 2012 as media sources reported?

Could it be that Aldo-Favio Cotrina  ... one of Joran's defense attorneys ... is doing his darnest to do damage control for a client and a colleague who are unable to keep their mouths shut?

Inquiring minds really do want to know.

Janet

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Joran Van Der Sloot Could Get A New Trial And His Sentence Reversed
Oct 11, 2012


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"It is not true that Joran got someone pregnant," his lawyer revealed. "He doesn’t have any conjugal visitation, in order to get that you have to be married as it is only allowed with a wife.

Instead, he claims Carol Figueroa Uceda, also known as Leidi, is the latest in a long list of obsessed females stalking his client behind bars, which includes two young girls who traveled from Germany and Switzerland and begged to have access to him.

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http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/10/joran-van-der-sloot-new-trial-sentence-reversed


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Joran Van Der Sloot's Lawyer Denies He Got Woman Pregnant in Prison
Oct. 8, 2012


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Altez blamed the pregnancy rumors on his own client and said De Telegraaf had never contacted the lawyer directly.
 
Uceda, however, had been authorized to visit van der Sloot for conjugal visits, he said. Altez said he originally utilized the woman, who had access to the prison, to help him run errands there. Later, he helped make arrangements to grant her permission for conjugal visits with van der Sloot.

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http://abcnews.go.com/News/joran-van-der-sloots-lawyer-denies-woman-pregnant/story?id=17426249
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« Reply #557 on: October 12, 2012, 06:08:22 PM »

Thank you Muffy.

Janet
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« Reply #558 on: October 12, 2012, 06:27:51 PM »

The games people play.  Do Joran's attorneys not realize that others do eventually see through the deception and ... it is only a matter of time until the truth is revealed?
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« Reply #559 on: October 12, 2012, 08:59:21 PM »

Maybe he's selling his semen.   

Crikey!     
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