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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #866 7/23/12 - 12/01/12  (Read 674223 times)
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« Reply #420 on: October 06, 2012, 03:52:09 PM »




Job well done! R.I.P.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #421 on: October 06, 2012, 04:04:26 PM »

Not sure what it says but I don't think it's positive





This article very sad.  It appears a 6yr old by the name of Alan Li died in the waterpark in Aruba 

http://www.diario.aw/2012/10/criatura-di-6-ana-ta-muri-hoga-na-hooiberg/

Yes, it is sad.

Another guy drowned and was recovered near where Gary Giordano claims Robyn Gardner drowned.  I think it says he lost his balance and fell in, and drowned.  He must have been a patient at the psychiatric/rehabilitation hospital (Centro Colorado).

But they found his body too...

http://www.awe24.com/20121004/12073/UPDATE_Homber_a_cay_for_di_barancanan_na_Punta_Colorado_y_a_muri_hoga

Papiamentu translation:

update man owing to cay for of barancanan at punta colorado y owing to die hoga

2 day happen come across, 4 of october 2012 09:57

seccion: incidente

diahuebs morning owing to enter informe of one caso lamentable where a will owing to cay for of barancanan in the lama y not can owing to help his self y owing to hoga. at once owing to dirigi police, cuerpo of rescate of bombero together cu kustwacht y also ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come compronde cu here is deal of one cliente of centro colorado cual was piki cocolishi y at dado instant owing to lose equilibrium y owing to cay for of barancanan y owing to bay cay in lama y not owing to succeed leave for of lama. at arrival of kustwacht they owing to lever the curpa abordo of the boat y abay cune at the pier at rodgers beach. owing to ask for all autoridad competente dirigi they self at the pier. here is deal of jacinto dan.jo naci at aruba 12 september 1957. at famianan of the fayecido is bay we more sincero words of condolencia.



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #422 on: October 06, 2012, 07:20:52 PM »

Why would this multi-million dollar backed defamation lawsuit have been filed unless there was assurance that a simple comparision of the Dr. Phil recording with the original interview which was saved on Skeeters' hard drive would declared  the Deepak the victor?

Could it be that the Dr. Phil recording was "manipulated" as stated in the defamation lawsuit?  Could it be that the financial backers expected a negotiated settlement from Phil McGraw?  Could it be that it was not anticipated that the defence would take another route ... another route that would proved that that the "manipulated" recording did not defame the Kalpoes as the brothers' reputation had already been "officially" underminded in the media in televised interviewed and released statements from early on in the investigation?

Janet

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Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


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"The problem with these f---ing things [is] they get a life of their own," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told AOL News. ...

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye.

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

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« Reply #423 on: October 06, 2012, 07:24:23 PM »

THE TRUTH?  WHAT IS IT?

FBI Confirmation?

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


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RITA COSBY, HOST:  ... And LIVE AND DIRECT tonight on the phone from Aruba is Arlene Ellis Schipper.  She's an Aruban attorney and also member of the Aruban Strategic Communications Task Force.  She sent us that tape.  Arlene, what is the basis for the manipulation?  Where do you think the changes took place, if at all?

ARLENE ELLIS SCHIPPER, ARUBAN STRATEGIC COMM. TASK FORCE:  Well, it's not what I think, it is what the Dutch forensic institute thinks and what we have also requested the FBI to confirm, which confirmation we haven't received yet.  However, the NFI had four investigators separately look at these tapes, and they say that the Dr. Phil show tapes were edited for content in the following order.  Just before the word “she,” there was a cut.  And just after the word “did,” there was a cut.  And then they compared it to the CD-ROM that Mr. Skeeters sent the officials, and you have seen that piece, and it says, “No, she didn't.”  And he shakes his head while doing—while saying that.

COSBY:  Now, you mentioned, Arlene, that the FBI—we know that they also have the tape.  When do you think you're going to hear back from them?  And do you think that they're going to make their results public?

SCHIPPER:  I hope so, actually.  And you know what?  Because officially, of course, the court-appointed forensic institute is the NFI, the Netherlands.  But for comfort, the authorities here sent it also for your comfort, actually, your American comfort—the authorities also sent it to the FBI with—through an MLAT (ph) procedure, which is a mutual—just mutual legal assistance treaty between our countries.

And they also requested, on recommendation of the NFI, to investigate the hard disk of Mr. Skeeters.  And based on that, he volunteered his hard disk.  So we are waiting already for two weeks on those results.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/


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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for December 1
updated 12/2/2005 10:37:47 AM ET


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FRANK PIAZZA, LEGAL AUDIO  Well, I have to say that the version that you just played me—I'm not sure if it's the Aruba version or the original...

COSBY:  We played both.  We actually played both.

PIAZZA:  OK.  The original version, which we'll say is Mr. Skeeters's version, and the Aruba version, they both, for me, as I analyzed them earlier, are exactly the same.  There's no changes.  Yet the Dr. Phil version, there are absolute edits.  And Arlene Ellis Schipper was accurate about the “did” and the “didn't” part of it.  That's my take on it so far.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10295536/
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« Reply #424 on: October 06, 2012, 07:56:30 PM »

Would anyone here trust the Kalpoe's to give your daughter a ride home?   

Hell to the NO.


Not very trustworthy for sure.      I can't see any reason anyone  (Except their mother Nadira of “Come on, we all lie. We all lie as big people. I know that I lie sometimes“. fame) would take up for Deepak and Satish Kalpoe.  JMHO 


Me neither MuffyBee.  However ... Peter Devries contends that Deepak and Satish were not participants in the happenings encompassing the demise and disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

I do not trust Dr. Phil at all.  I am on the fence regarding whether the Dr. Phil recording was "edited" or "manipulated".  However ... in the name of justice I hope that the Kalpoes will not receive one red cent.  Joran van der Sloot can kiss his $1,000,000 good bye.

Janet

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Peter Devries

Cracking the Holloway Case?
Feb 7, 2008 7:00 PM EST


De Vries spoke to NEWSWEEK's Catharine Skipp about the case and his role in it to date.

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NEWSWEEK: Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


Beth Holloway

NANCY GRACE
Aired August 26, 2005 - 20:00:00   ET


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: We`ve known from day one Deepak and Satish Kalpoe are way deeply involved in this.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/26/ng.01.html
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« Reply #425 on: October 06, 2012, 09:00:29 PM »

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #426 on: October 06, 2012, 09:42:06 PM »

Why would this multi-million dollar backed defamation lawsuit have been filed unless there was assurance that a simple comparision of the Dr. Phil recording with the original interview which was saved on Skeeters' hard drive would declared  the Deepak the victor?

Could it be that the Dr. Phil recording was "manipulated" as stated in the defamation lawsuit?  Could it be that the financial backers expected a negotiated settlement from Phil McGraw?  Could it be that it was not anticipated that the defence would take another route ... another route that would proved that that the "manipulated" recording did not defame the Kalpoes as the brothers' reputation had already been "officially" underminded in the media in televised interviewed and released statements from early on in the investigation?

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Is Dr. Phil Winning or Losing the Natalee Holloway Case Battle?
Mar 16, 2011 – 4:09 PM


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"The problem with these f---ing things [is] they get a life of their own," Dr. Phil's attorney, Charles Babcock, told AOL News. ...

Babcock said he expects that the lawsuit against Dr. Phil will ultimately be "thrown out." He also said he suspects there is more to the suit than meets the eye.

"I will tell you what is going on here, which is just crystal clear if you know how lawsuits work: This is being funded by somebody other than these two guys. Dr. Phil called for a boycott of Aruba, and this is being supported by the Aruban tourism industry and maybe some hotels, some casinos, maybe the government itself," Babcock alleged. "But these guys are spending millions of dollars [on] this case, so this isn't two young guys perusing a claim. This is guys with larger backing."

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http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/16/is-dr-phil-winning-or-losing-the-natalee-holloway-case-battle/

Wire Service Defense

A murder suspect (like the Kalpoes) sued a media for reporting harsh things about him. (Deepak in his deposition
also said similarly that the media ruined his life and he had no friends). However, the wire defense basically
states that a news media service does not act recklessly in their reporting and the trial court granted the newspaper
summary judgment.

(Cole v. Star Tribune, 1998 WL 388096 (---N.W.2d---, Ct. App., Minn.)
or
581 N.W.2d 364 (Ct. App., Minn., 1998)

How can Kalpoe allege Libel when it was themselves who brought the polis, the media, into their own lives by their
being the persons who took Natalee in their car and have yet to tell the truth to anyone that we know of about what
happened to Natalee and where she is.Then lied to numerous sources, plotted out alibi's and made statements that were filled with lies. They even tried to get two Security guards blamed.

(Civil Code Sections 45, 45a and 46)

As far as slander by Dr. Phil - well, if I recall it was Arubans who came forward namely Steve Cohen and Dompig who were individuals invoked in the case and who made very specific statements about the Kalpoes on Dr. Phils shows and to the media ie "Vanity Fair'.

Steve Cohen said on the Dr. Phil show:
“Do the prosecutors believe they are guilty of wrongdoing?”
Steve says that they do.

“Do you believe that [the boys] have available, intimate knowledge of what happened to her that night?”
Again, Steve confirms that he does.

Dompig's statement that the boys were obviously guilty as hell.


Deepak was aware that Skeeters was working for Dr. Phil. He talks for an hour or so in the hotel with Angeina Reppas and Skeeters and then he goes back to Skeeters hotel room and talks to him in private. He also emails Larry Garrison trying to get a book deal for his story. As I said, what story would a small little man have living in Aruba? He wanted to get PAID MONEY  to talk.

I think one has to look at the overall picture - not just one side and then you can see the manipulation that Kalpoes were doing.
Did they ever go look or search for Natalee?
Did they ever try to talk to Beth to tell her what really happened?
Did they ever put forth anything other then to lie, to manipulate and to try to get money out of Natalee's death?

Saying they were not respoinsible doesn't make it fact.

Saying the Skeeters tape was altered, manipulated doesn't make it noteworthy imo because laying out all the facts of these two boys going in their car and getting Natalee into their car and then putting on a porn DVD and watching Joran fingering her in the backseat and then not taking her to her hotel safely and lying to polis and to their mother etc. Just doesn't cut them any lawsuit money.


Janet, I have tried to tell you a long time ago when you went up against me at Freebirds on an issue that you never seem to be able to look at a thing from the other side of the table. You only see things black and white and that is a big mistake with anything. Have your facts, but look at the other side of the table because there may be something you see if you just go around the table. You never seem to be capable of doing that. I just surmised it may have had something to do with your operation.
I honestly feel that it does, no matter what others try to claim. I'm not interested in blaming you or going up against you on these issues time after time. I hope you can learn from this and try to set an apple on a table and go to the other side and see that maybe someone took a bite out of it.

In all respect,
I hope you take this as nothing more then coming from love as that is my intent. I am not here to bash you or anyone else.
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« Reply #427 on: October 06, 2012, 11:52:23 PM »

Hi Kermit

The defamation case?  In a nutshell.

1.  NFI investigation reveals a comparison of Dr. Phil recording and Skeeters' disc of the Deepak interview differs.

2.  Financial backers in Aruba persuade Kalpoes to launch a defamation lawsuit against Phil McGraw anticipating an immediate huge negotiated settlement.

3.  However ... considering "OFFICIAL" Aruban undermining of the Kalpoes had occurred in televised interviews and public statements since the getgo ... Phil McGraw challenges the defamation claim.


Possible Outcomes?

1.  The Kalpoes win when the Dr. Phil recording is deemed manipulated when compared with the saved interview on Skeeters' hard drive OR ...

2.  The Kalpoes win through a negotiated settlement with Phil McGraw OR ...

3.  The Kalpoes lose when the judge throws out the lawsuit for lack of compliance regarding court requested documents OR ...

4.  The Kalpoes lose when the words within case related documents imply that the Dr. Phil recording could not be defined as defamation.


Anyways ... I could be wrong in my speculations but ... they are my speculations which have a foundation derived from court documentation posted by Klaas and ... transcript/statements quoting Aruban investigators/spokespersons/prosecutors which ... for the most part ... I have posted.

Kermit, I have no intentions of pushing up daisies for a long long time.  The implication is that the outcome of this lawsuit will happen in my lifetime.  Anyways ... Last week I promised my 14 year old grandson that Papa and I will be dancing at his wedding.  He rolled his eyes.

Good Night.

Janet

 
 
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« Reply #428 on: October 06, 2012, 11:54:43 PM »

http://www.larepublica.pe/05-10-2012/madre-de-la-primera-victima-de-var-der-sloot-conduce-documental-sin-rastro

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Mother of the first victim of Var Der Sloot leads documentary 'Without a Trace'
Friday, October 5, 2012 | 8:28 pm

It airs every Monday at 09.00 pm., Through the Bio channel.

On May 29, 2005, the U.S. bachelor Natalee Holloway in grade trip to Aruba vacation, with his teammates from Mountain Brook High School, leaving no clue disappear after visiting a casino. The last thing parents would know Dave and Beth Holloway is that that night the girl had gone with a guy recently met a Dutch beach, where as much as authorities searched and never found traces Holloway own let alone her body.
 
Thus began the nightmare of Beth, who in desperation tried not to give in to the determinations of the police releasing the island twice, the main suspect, the young Dutchman Joran Van Der Sloot, not to find more evidence and less even Natalee's body, giving the case closed in December 2007.
 
Now Beth debuted on television leading the documentary 'Without a Trace', to show the difficulties faced by researchers and loved ones to bring to light the truth about missing persons.
 
"My need to search for answers gave me a new mission in life: to return the missing to their homes and the criminals to justice," he said.
 
In the first episode, released on October 1, Beth showed how his courage and perseverance to do justice, determined to finally establish the guilt of the Dutch gambling addict and psychopath nearly seven years after murdering his daughter. Natalee body, however, never appeared more.
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« Reply #429 on: October 07, 2012, 12:19:25 AM »

The deaths of the two Dutch Indian sodomites could not come fast enough for me. Those two flacid weak girly little man boys with the limp wrists.

They have no souls, only a pulse still.

God has great mercy on those that still have souls!

Not for Deepak and Satish. I liken it to the killing of two sewer rats. Who gets upset when pests are exterminated? Not me.

May Dr. Phil & his legal team kick sticking it to them for a very long time.

They were responsible for the murder of Natalee - just as much as Joran and his father. In for a penny - in for a pound.

There will be no mercy for them. No court on earth can dispense the justice they deserve.
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« Reply #430 on: October 07, 2012, 01:18:21 AM »

I meant "keep sticking it"

...and just wanted to add - 1,000 more curses upon Nadira Kalpoe, that silly little prostitute.

The woman needs to be strung up by her nostrils.
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« Reply #431 on: October 07, 2012, 11:21:45 AM »



Justice for Natalee!

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #432 on: October 08, 2012, 08:40:24 AM »

Van der Sloot impregnates girl while in prison: report

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Last Updated: 7:31 AM, October 8, 2012
Posted: 7:18 AM, October 8, 2012


AMSTERDAM - A Dutch newspaper says that Joran van der Sloot, who is serving a 28-year-sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman, has impregnated a woman while imprisoned in Lima.

De Telegraaf newspaper on Monday cited Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altes as saying the pregnancy is past its third month, and Van der Sloot himself as confirming the news in a telephone call. The woman, identified by the paper only as "Leidi," was said to have become pregnant during an unsupervised visit with Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot was convicted for robbing and killing Stephany Flores in 2010. He is also wanted in the U.S. in connection with the disappearance of teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. He could resist extradition if he obtains Peruvian nationality.

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« Reply #433 on: October 08, 2012, 09:31:18 AM »

Before anyone suggests special treatment for the Sloot, read this: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugal_visit
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« Reply #434 on: October 08, 2012, 10:34:01 AM »

If true, I feel really badly for the poor innocent child with connections to Joran and the Van Der Sloots.    I hope when the child is born he/she doesn't become a pawn in strategies for money to be made on news stories and photo ops nor to allow this to open a window for Joran to gain any perks.  (see my bold)   ::boxingjoran::


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/van_der_sloot_impregnates_girl_while_GQ8YnFPn6B1vH30b5CIj9M
Van der Sloot impregnates girl while in prison: report
Last Updated: 7:31 AM, October 8, 2012
Posted: 7:18 AM, October 8, 2012

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He could resist extradition if he obtains Peruvian nationality.
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« Reply #435 on: October 08, 2012, 11:08:58 AM »

Nasty.

You fellow monkeys can take that comment and interpret it any way you like.

Nasty.
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« Reply #436 on: October 08, 2012, 11:26:59 AM »

I can't figure out how to work this but pretty sure it covers getting citizenship.
Also has anyone seen what country Leidi is from?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.digemin.gob.pe%2F
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« Reply #437 on: October 08, 2012, 12:09:36 PM »

Same woman from 2011 report?  Same source? 

http://elcomercio.pe/actualidad/1479998/noticia-joran-van-der-sloot-embarazo-chica-prision

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October 8, 2012
Joran van der Sloot impregnated a girl in prison

Attorney murderer of Stephany Flores said Young called "Leidi" who would Uceda Lady Carol Figueroa (22), is three months pregnant, Dutch newspaper reported

AMSTERDAM (AP / elcomercio.pe). Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is serving a sentence of 28 years for the murder of the young Stephany Flores, a woman pregnant in the prison where he is being held, said today a publication of the Netherlands.

According to the newspaper 'De Telegraaf', the lawyer for Van der Sloot, Maximum Altes said that pregnancy takes more than three months and that it confirmed the Dutch situation in a phone call.

The woman, identified only by the publication as "Leidi", would become pregnant during a visit to Van der Sloot was not monitored, depending on the version.

Be his girlfriend from 2011
She would Uceda Lady Carol Figueroa (22), who in June 2011 had been identified as the mother of another son of Van der Sloot. Then, she denied knowing the murderer and the lawyer said that she was willing to be tested for DNA. Even the INPE denied that she has visited.

According to the complaint last year, Figueroa Uceda could enter the prison compound as "special visit" because distributing goods kiosks that operate inside the prison.
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« Reply #438 on: October 08, 2012, 12:14:42 PM »

he Is Disgusting.  $%#@&!!! I Hate Him ::boxingjoran::
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Van der Sloot impregnates girl while in prison: report

From ASSOCIATED PRESS
Last Updated: 7:31 AM, October 8, 2012
Posted: 7:18 AM, October 8, 2012


AMSTERDAM - A Dutch newspaper says that Joran van der Sloot, who is serving a 28-year-sentence for murdering a young Peruvian woman, has impregnated a woman while imprisoned in Lima.

De Telegraaf newspaper on Monday cited Van der Sloot's lawyer Maximo Altes as saying the pregnancy is past its third month, and Van der Sloot himself as confirming the news in a telephone call. The woman, identified by the paper only as "Leidi," was said to have become pregnant during an unsupervised visit with Van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot was convicted for robbing and killing Stephany Flores in 2010. He is also wanted in the U.S. in connection with the disappearance of teenager Natalee Holloway in Aruba in 2005. He could resist extradition if he obtains Peruvian nationality.



I just saw this and you beat me to it, San! Don't you know that Stephany's family just wretches at the thought of Joran being able to have those sorts of visits while in jail? I'm sure it doesn't please Beth and it darn well doesn't make my day either! I'm trying to figure out what, exactly, you have to do to get "HARD TIME"? Apparently beating young women to death isn't enough.
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