Missing Donna Jou, 19 , San Diego State U Student 6/23/07

[Hope07]

BILLBOARD!!!!   Yes, that is an excellent idea!  The family should put up a (some?) billboard and advertise that way!

Personally, I think he sold her to someone.  I don't think he killed her.  I think he is opportunistic and tries to make money off of everything (and everyone) he sees.  A professional scam artist, yes.  But my personal opinion is that he himself is not a murderer.

But he of course knows something.

[fran]

I agree with you, Hope07, about the billboard. Perhaps someone who saw her and didn't or doesn't know it will see the billboard and contact LE. Not everyone looks at the news and especially looks out for 'missing persons.'

I would hope he 'sold her,' rather than the alternative. Yeah, I think I'll pray that is what he did. At least, then there's hope Donna will find her way home with her family.

fran

[IBE]

Hello, Good Monkeys

What input!

Fran, maybe you could post your post here into the comments on the donnajou.com site... that way it would get to the family. Maybe, like Beth, they read here  but many would see it on her site.

IMO, I think God gives up lots of "gut" feelings. Some are more intone than others. In the 70's I had to honor to be in a private class with a mystic/clairvoyant, however I never followed up and she is now crossed over. Her readings for me and into the future, then of about 12 yrs. were right on.

The whole exposure changed my outlook on real, honest psychics. She told me that her abilities were God Given and she had to be very careful how she used them. God Given could be taken away at any moment.

She attended Mass every morning, without fail. Her name is Gladys Jones and wrote/did readings mostly about Love and gods of history.

IMO, personally I think it would be very had to be a psychic.

I have a friend who is a health psychic. He will not go into missing persons for you have to be very careful, he says, not to be taken down with all the (can't find the word here)... anyway like dark vibes can take you down.

About the billboard...

At first, I thought I would put it just south of the intersection of I 10 and the San Diego freeway as that is the route used if going and coming to a party in Palms (West LA)

However, it just occurred to me that I would put two... one north of LAX and one south on the 405... for several reasons.... the LA County CourtHouse is there so you'd get those coming and going to jail... ears!

The travelers on the 405 would be International from LAX so might have seen or heard something in this country or another country

Potential party people at the party would be on the 405; and it connects to Orange County and San Diego.

People have cell phones and I would, if doing this, put a phone # they could call anonymously and put different pictures of Donna because if "sold" she could look different. Also at the party, maybe she wore her hair different after getting out of the motorcycle helmet after a 50 + mile ride...

I would also up the reward (sorry called in a "bond" in previous post)

The girl that is missing in Reno who is also 19 has a $100,000 reward. Why?

IMO  to find her hopefully alive; to have good PR for a tourist city such as Reno (remember LA and Orange County rely heavily on tourist money too) to get this solved

for she, I think, was there on a bus tour from CA

and they think there is a connection to other crimes nearby.

When we talk about a person having many roommates and none of the other girls are missing, are we sure??? This MO has been going on for years, I would think... are all accounted for?

IMO a question remains... he bragged he would tell more of what happened to Donna if he would get off from going to jail

That MO didn't work, so what does he have to loose now? Not giving info, IMO, means involvement.

I was on the Salvation Army site, at Christmas, trying to find a local of a SA kettle.

I didn't know the Salvation Army was also dedicated in actions to lessen human trafficking.

Just random thoughts;

All you great monkeys, Keep up the Good Work

[kissyface]

IBE said

The girl that is missing in Reno who is also 19 has a $100,000 reward. Why?

IMO  to find her hopefully alive; to have good PR for a tourist city such as Reno (remember LA and Orange County rely heavily on tourist money too) to get this solved

Well, IBE and others interested, Briana's FAMILY posted that reward, not LE. Just thought you guys might like to know that.  Her reward amount has nothing to do with preserving tourism.  LE here is definitely on this case though, and they are working on every lead they get from what I hear.  I live in Reno, by the way.

Prayers to Donna's family.  I hope they get some kind of answers soon.   

[kissyface]

IBE, look what I just found:

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/NEWS01/801300440&theme=

Reward was unauthorized

Brianna Denison's family has not authorized a $100,000 reward for information leading to her safe return as previously reported.
The family said the information was reported by the media since Denison disappeared Jan. 20 but had not been authorized.
Secret Witness, though, is offering a $2,500 reward for anonymous tips leading to an arrest and prosecution.
Anyone with information is encouraged to contact the Reno police hot line at 745-3521, detectives at 334-2115 or Secret Witness at 322-4900.


So, it seems her reward isn't anything extraordinary as we previously thought.  Darn media!

[pdh3]

Is there any news at all about Donna?

[Hope07]

If you go to the California Megan's Law web site and type in his name (John Burgess), you will see a new photo of him.  Looks completely different than his other photos - almost unrecognizable!

Drove past the house on Faris Drive this weekend.  There are signs in the front yard - some say "For rent" and some say "For sale".  According to the information given about that tiny house, it is priced at $599,000.  Looking in the windows, it is empty inside.

WHERE IS DONNA JOU?

[IBE]

Hope 007

lost you email addy, Please email me TIA

[IBE]

Prayers for Law Enforcement and to bring Donna home.

[IBE]

Gee, what a differnce short hair and weight make!

Wonder why they didn't list all of his aliases?

[Kermit]

288(c)(1) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS ACTS WITH CHILD 14 OR 15 YEARS OLD

6' 3"
235 lbs
dob: 6/28/72
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I think we need to think like this guy thinks to figure out where/what he did with Donna

This is a man who assumed different identities in names and in his looks, I think he knew he was a sex addict, but couldn't control it.

He rented his house out to students from Russia, Poland and Bulgaria. These people would not be
aware of his sexual background or how to check on him and he had them each pay him $100.00/mo.

He is someone who used people to get his money rather then hold down a job of any kind.
It's about control over others, rather then being able to control himself.

That would be why he would target a young girl (like the one he already had been charged with lewd
acts, not rape. That tells us he molested her. So he was at a stage 2 I think it's called in psychology and (I'm too lazy to go look it up), but basically it goes in stages with these sex addicts. They watch porn, they molest, then it moves up the scale to rape. This guy was already at the stages of watching and molesting so his most likely next step was to rape.

He would choose a girl who was young and defenseless and Donna seems to fit that catagory in that she was intelligent and most likely not street smart. AND when you meet someone online, your gut doesn't always register, because they can present anything to the other person.


Douna Jou
5/3
110 lbs.



Now, we know he also had a love of the mountains that had lakes or water because he took pictures of himself posing by his truck by a mountain with a lake behind him.

He already had plenty of opportunity with any of those students whom he rented space to in that house, but he chose a girl he met online. AND I THINK HE ALSO LIKED GIRLS WHO HAD AN ETHNIC LOOK TO THEM. Hence why he advertised and rented to Ethnic rather then LA students.


HIS choice of NAMES:
He chose names of SAINTS as in Sinjin is Saint John
Saint Augustine - Saint Augustine wrote that John was tempted by devils
AND Saint Augustine taught that Original Sin was transmitted by concupiscence (roughly, lust), weakening the will

All of this, to me, points to the fact that he knows he has a problem, but he doesn't seek help, in stead he almost transposes himself into these other Christian heros as a way to convince himself he is worthy in this world. He ain't.

He made a plan (that is why he met Donna Jou online)
He picks her up on a motorcycle rather then his truck CLUE #1. He uses the motorcycle because
A) it makes him feel empowered and young (I am not sure that this girl knew exactly how old this guy was.)
B) He can maneuver a motor cycle easily into areas and also not as easily identified as a large blue truck
C) It's sexual (she would have to hold on to him)

He does something odd though. The 5 freeway is the direct route to his home, I'm sure he came out to Santa Margarita on the 5, but AFTER he picks her up, her family sees them exit the 241 at Portola
which is a TOLL ROAD out there. WHY would a slug like that pay to ride on a freeway?








This is where I would start a search - I'm betting he planned it, & there are desolate areas out
in this area.



Use the 241 Toll Road, Exit Santiago Canyon.


A) Donna Jou gave him directions
B) He had already checked the area and knew where he was going to take her later and wanted to check it out, then head to the 5 freeway to his house

He took his prey to the house (where he has control) having picked her up at:

5:30 pm

6:08 pm next day - text msg to mommy


Seems like he would let the party run all night - probably he left with Donna around 2 AM

2AMish until daylight - he took her on the motorcycle someplace. HENCE that is why the motorcycle is missing.

FIND THAT MOTORCYCLE!

Probably ran it into a lake.

[Hope07]

Great thoughts and photos, Kermit!!

Might he have passed his motorcycle off to a buddy to have him (or her) store it in their garage?  For sure the bike is painted another color (motorcycles can be painted, right?).  There is his buddy who rented the boat from him, the fellow sex predator whom he met in jail (what is the story on the boat?  Who has ownership now?  Is the same guy still renting it?); there is the guy who bought his stuff from the storage unit; and others.

I agree with everything Kermit wrote.  This guy is a career criminal with a charming personality (or whatever).  Someone wrote:  he has the gift of the gab (as many con artists do).  Everything he looks at, he thinks of a way to make money off it.  He is lazy; smart & clever; a coward.

How much longer will he be in jail?  If they gave him 3 years, he will be out in half that time with good behavior, right?  Or 3/4 time?  That is how much time we have to find clues about Donna's disappearance and whereabouts.

[Kermit]

Great thoughts and photos, Kermit!!

Might he have passed his motorcycle off to a buddy to have him (or her) store it in their garage?  For sure the bike is painted another color (motorcycles can be painted, right?).  There is his buddy who rented the boat from him, the fellow sex predator whom he met in jail (what is the story on the boat?  Who has ownership now?  Is the same guy still renting it?); there is the guy who bought his stuff from the storage unit; and others.

I agree with everything Kermit wrote.  This guy is a career criminal with a charming personality (or whatever).  Someone wrote:  he has the gift of the gab (as many con artists do).  Everything he looks at, he thinks of a way to make money off it.  He is lazy; smart & clever; a coward.

How much longer will he be in jail?  If they gave him 3 years, he will be out in half that time with good behavior, right?  Or 3/4 time?  That is how much time we have to find clues about Donna's disappearance and whereabouts.

The boat, is named Sinjin Sancutary and looks to be associated with Larry Mills, Vicki and Alan
who also own that Gypsy Queen, which is the pic I posted of the sail boat. It's moored at San Pedro.
http://www.columbia-yachts.com/registry.html


I agree he's a con, BUT he is also a sex addict. So his distorted thinking is going to be that of someone who has a cycle. In that cycle they plan, they act out, then they feel guilt (but no real
remorse) then they are okay for awhile and then they begin the cycle again.

I think he planned to take Donna Jou for the purpose of sex because he had plenty of opportunity
to have sex with any of those students in his home. NONE of them is missing. That makes me
think he most-likely targeted a certain type - young girl - unsuspecting = Donna Jou. Think about it
she represents everything he can't be. Intelligent, good family, nice home, college education. AND
she looks very young similar to the age that I think he molested another girl 14/15 yrs old.
The guilt phase was when he most likely emailed the Sheriff on his way to Florida.
He is in jail I think serving 2 or maybe it was 3 yrs.

My thinking is, he might have tied her to the motorcycle and ran it into a body of water which would weight her body down.

Otherwise, why would a guy just lose his motorcycle and not be looking for it, but be painting his
blue truck black.

He either sold it - which had to of happened the night of her disappearance.
or he used it and needed to destroy the evidence

[Kermit]

oops forgot my manners. I mean to say HELLO HOPE!

[IBE]

Super Monkeys Hello!

If a body were weighted down in a "lake" 15 feet deep, would any of it come to the surface or anything to suggest the body is there (other than coming to the service)

In/on the lake are catfish, trout, ducks; calm water.

I have info from a psychic that narrowed down a lake. We went there and this person was very uncomfortable there and gave me the area where something bad happened, the timeline and being in 15 feet of water.

The time line may fit into what we know or think we know from 12 to 2 AM am to daylight.

The text message came in around 6:30 PM Sunday night (am I correct, think I am) for the press gave the wrong time before.

OK the big thing is where (what text message carried pole or whatever)
What is the location of the text message

...... (I understand it comes in differently than a regular cell phone call)... Was it in WLA or  near Laguna? No one has been able to tell me!!!

Also, more possiblities... I understand Burgess had access to many vehicles, cars that night so it might have not been a motorcycle. Could be a truck or car.

Oh... the toolbox was there since July 5th, at least before 11 AM, by the way, way earlier than the police were called. The police were called after info appeared on TV with the license plate and it was in there on a Sunday night I think.


Where was the text message from!!!! If I knew that for sure, I think I have a few clues if it is from a certain place. TIA

[IBE]

Ah duh...surface not service

[IBE]

Kermit

Have you ever been to the lake.. the aerial picture you posted? Use the 241 Toll Road, Exit Santiago Canyon.


I need to find someone who has been there in the summer and can describe the grasses, the cuts of grasses down to the lake line

Need to know if the grass has sprinklers or some kind of drainage that feeds wated into it to make it green. Is there cut grass the the waterline in this lake.  (on a typical year with water or last summer?)  Does it have any short cut, trimmed like grass along there and more wild grass in contrast in the back?

Is "Santiago" a saint?

Just sending out thought here without any reason... what would it be if he had his motorcycle and then had a truck parked somewhere. One the way up there they'd get off the motorcycle and get into the truck..

Does anyone have real proof that she arrived at the party on the motorcycle, altho we know the m.c. helmet she wore was in the thrown out toolbox.

[Kermit]

All good questions IBE.


The past couple of years the area has been dry due to lack of rains. So when Donna Jou went missing, there still was no rains to green it up - if you recall the really bad fires in this area due to the dry brush etc.

Found some pictures for you.

northern part of the lake:






go to this site and you can see 241 and Irvine lake on a map
http://findlakes.com/irvine_lake_california~ca00298.htm




Saint James = Santiago
(interesting he uses Saints as his nics - I think that is a clue to him)



He could certainly have driven his truck out somewhere, parked it, taken the motorcycle off of it and picked her up, taken her someplace, but why get rid of the motorcycle?

?????
Because he was seen with her on it
Because there was DNA on it
BECAUSE THE TIRE TRACKS/FORENSICS COULD LEAD US TO WHERE DONNA JOU WAS TAKEN


A body would surface at some point due to gases, but I wonder if it would if it was disposed of in a container or bag and tied to a motorcycle and then run off into the lake.

[Kermit]

LOOK HOW HE CHANGES HIS LOOK











GOT YA

Area of Santiago Cyn

[IBE]

The link won't work for me... a question: in the pict of the lake where the sun shines on some grass... anyone know how that area is used?

Thanks

Will try to get into the link. Thanks

Keep the Faith!