Missing Donna Jou, 19 , San Diego State U Student 6/23/07

[Wyks]

Am hoping that Donna's family hasn't given up on the idea of help from psychics, despite the fact a couple of em sure haven't worked out well, it seems.  And there are at least two others who seem to be more fraudulent than anything. 

Having had experience in a local missing young man's case, a good friend of one of my sons, have had the opportunity to speak with his mother and her feelings regarding LE, the seeming lack of response, the frustration of waiting waiting, while watching the entire case slipping off into no activity.  It really was the persistence of the young mans family and friends, who didn't give up, who found other ways around the local LE and local media, which eventually was the catalyst that brought the help into the area, who are the ones who found the young mans body.  Persistence is key!!   

Have helped in a high profile adult missing persons case as well, basically being the initial go-between for one of the victim's family members and 'an intuitive'...  who proved herself straight off the bat with LE, and then with the family member.  In various emails between the intuitive and I, she explained how LE really doesn't often seem to appreciate the tips and help from psychics or intuitives, mainly because of an 'ego' problem.  Families of victims often taking their cue from LE, in how much or little they are receptive to the help of a psychic or intuitive. 

Said she does not chase down a story, the info about one comes to her thru regular means, sitting with her family watching tv and the news, etc.  She may then afterward pick up something 'intuitively', and will call that into the local LE for that case.  In the case I was helping with, she had sensed some very pertinent info, none of which had been public info of any kind.  She was able to draw a map of the burial spot, as well as particular setting in a home where there were some important pieces of evidence that had been hidden.  LE was notified.  And at the point, since I was already chatting by email to one of the family members, the family was notified.  To help LE believe in her abilities to sense things, she described to the main guy exactly, in detail, what files were on his desk at that very moment.     When LE felt comfortable in listening to this intuitive, the family member became more comfy in doing the same thing.  Then I stepped out of it and they emailed each other directly after that. 

I say all this in the hopes that Donna's family might be receptive to the idea of working with an intuitive such as this.  For various reasons she does not contact the family members directly, nor does she charge for what she senses.  I haven't chatted with her for awhile, don't even know if she knows or has sensed anything about this case or not.  She is the type who will not 'forum or blog hop' or purposefully look for info on a case.  She finds it helpful to have an item belonging to the victim at one point, a ribbon, a picture, etc.  She allows 'the universe' to bring to her the info she needs to know, and then she in turn can come up with some incredible detailed info that no one else could possibly know. 

If you think the family or LE would be interested in having the help of this intuitive, who lives in Michigan, please let me know. 

[klaasend]

Idea... Dana's show with Donna father, Ms. Alred, a spokesman from LAPD and Orange Co Sheriffs???

Think I will email Klaas!!

IBE - I didn't get an email from you so I thought maybe you sent to my old email addy.  Anyway, it might be easier for you to email Dana directly.  I'm sure Dana remembers the case and will do whatever he can

dana@scaredmonkeys.com

The hotmail account I'm using:
smklaas@hotmail.com

[IBE]

Wyks and all Good Monkeys,

I was asked to study under a mystic, Gladys Jones, and didn't follow up on it too much. One of my regrets. She has now passed over.  She told me hers was a gift from God and she had to be very, very careful how she used her gift. Gladys went to Mass every morning. She was very religious. She did many readings for me that came out true. I miss her.

I do feel they contribute but are human.

IMO many get ideas of where, how and why. If there was one place the input, then pieces could be matched up.

one of the immediate family of Donna was 'burned' by one but years have passed since then, so maybe he will be open since years have passed and there is no excuse for "poof"

Last night I sent out emails to some of the family to start checking this site for we may be starting a "let's roll" time.

Another family was talking to a LAPD detective, sharing what they had found and happened to mention a psychic and then the conversation went cold.. yes I do think egos are involved here IMO

I do know that many on OCSD and LAPD are close and have worked together.

(gads, forgot a thought here)

I had a health psychic friend who doesn't work in missing persons cases because of the negative energy but did a reading because I was so involved with the case. He was not from this area and had a hard time finding the area that he pictured.

He found the area by using the internet.... a lake,  neat manicured grass and we definitely don't have many of those areas around here. He matched it up within a 1 1/2 mile of the Burgess house; giving me a time, how and where.

We went there. At the time there was even a path from the oil fields to the lake.

I have pictures of the area. Ironically, Burgess like wilderness areas and this is an urban wilderness full of trails. The workers told me easily accessible by motorcycle, car, truck all night for the guard is usually at the other end and the Los Angeles County Sheriffs hardly come by. It can be accessed by a road that leads from the back side (the side within about 3 mins of the house) and a path from the oil fields. I found not only being on the ground but aerial shots on the internet.

I don't like to drive to the CC park that is up there on the other side of this lake, gravel pit and oil fields for there have been daylight gang murders there , but I got a hunch to do so one day.

The usually locked gate to the oil fields was open and had a sign about a filming crew. (BINGO) I know I could talk my way out of that, if caught, from past work experience so decided to go in (maybe never have another chance!!)

so I and the dog drove in (would never had done this if not had the dog)
I drove up and down over and yon..not trying to be humorous here but that was what is was. Some paved, some dirt roads. There were worker's campers in one hollow and working and nonworking oil derricks all around. My thought was that I could disappear here and no one would ever know. Going from urban sprawl to almost nothing was a change.

Great view from the top. Lots of oil fields and abandon buildings. One looks as if it is from WWI or WWII There is a 24 hr crew there, I think at hdqrs on top.

Drove back out, from the side where I came in and the gate was locked!

I figured, if worse came to worse, I could come back to this gate and scream when a car came to the dog park or up to park on this side of the mountain. Of course, gangs come up there too but I dismissed that idea.. hoping I would remind one of them of their grandmother with an old faithful dog.

So I drove back through the oil fields to find a nice human in a pick up truck and he said there is a gate and guard over by the lake side. (Yippee, saved said the dog!)

There is also gravel pit up there and a real nice home that a local resident has told me was great for parties in the past.

Caring Midwestern guilt I even stopped at the guards house and explained to him why and how I got there. But it was a quick talk as there was a tanker and a rigger coming in.

Looking back.. I hope I was being watched from the hdqrs on the top of the mountain (it's a big hill to most locals, but Mr. Culver called it a mountain when he founded the city) I'd like to think security was good.

My point is that I learned how easy it is, for someone, especially on a motorcycle could get in and to in the back way to the oil fields.

When Tim Miller was with us and we were at the Culver City Park where you can overlook towards Burgess's house and the backside is the oil wells, Tim was very thoughtful as he looked toward the oil wells.

I was most concerned about the two old cars approaching us in the dark... looked like gang cars and told everyone to get back in the car.

I didn't find out that Tim's daughter was found in an oil field until later that night. Ironically he was also looking over in the direction of the gravel pit and lake.

He is very interesting to watch. You can see his mind at work.

Back to the toolbox:
I try to keep an open mind.

I didn't post picts of where the toolbox was for TES asked me not to for they thought there would be lookie lous to disturb the area.

I had terrible vibes about that area the first time I was there and didn't know that was the area where the toolbox was left until I met a neighbor (one of the ones who called in the toolbox) and someone in LE did too had bad vibes there, so I have learned. Now all is being torn up for the light rail.

Still would like to go back there and search for 1/2 me thinks something is still there to be found and the other 1/2 says "oh duh, why?".

I met Donna's mom and aunt after a visit to the family's atty. and they wanted me to show them what I thought were the areas of interest.(those I have posted on this thread plus toolbox and storage site)

 One of the saddest things in my life, was to see Donna's mom, in very nice clothing. beautiful make up, run up the buffer area along the RR track, not to far from where the tool box was found.. find a homeless person's backpack and throw things out of it... really dirty things.. cell phones, hair round things and then just look down at us in such a hopeless manner.

It was also sad to sit in the back seat with Donna's father and Tim Miller.

IMO in my hearts of hearts I think there would have been more concrete clues and Donna would have been found, if Tim Miller and TES would have been allowed to search early on by the LAPD. The LAPD must have a better reason to say no, than there are just only apartments there and houses and nowhere to search! Come on, I lived 34 years just north of that area!!

LAPD is it because it is rumored the east part of Palms is known for human trafficking??
Is there more here?


He maintained she is within 5 miles of the home but that covers almost downtown to LA.. and way to the beach.

However, areas around there that were vacant could have been put into and search and if negative, at least it 'narrows' it down. I even found that the command center could be a the Elks and they thought that was great.

The family has a friend who did overhead aerials with lots of picts up the Santa Monica mountains and one search, some with infrared, I think. The picts were offered to Orange County Sheriffs but I don't know if they took them up on the offer.

I tried the donnajou.com site and couldn't get one. Will try again. Am going back in this thread and see who the lead detectives are on this for LAPD, and Orange County Sheriffs.
Maybe Culver City PD should be included for Areas C, D that I posted are in Culver City. Again.. some have been leveled for the light rail.

What we need is a persistant meter reader Nope, our Monkeys will be persistant.

Many things that were found by independent family and friend searchers were passed onto TES as thinking there would be followup but there was none.

I had a dream once that I was along a road and there was a road number.. like the county roads we had in Indiana. kindof squarish, rectangle and I said she is off the road here.. I woke up and couldn't remember the road number on the sign. There were other things in the dream too about the area. There were no trees, sort of like pinon, scrub brush like I used to work on locations, so see it could not be anything. Am still frustrated with myself.

Don't know if it is posted in the Thread or not, but LAPD went to Malibu Canyon Creek State park and searched with trails there with cadaver dogs. Perhaps they found info off of Burgess's computer or from his "friends"

I told someone of the Orange County Sheriffs and the info was passed along to homicide detectives and LAPD supposedly for it is in LAPD territory that the bulldozers were uprooting all the soil in Areas B. It was hoped that cadaver dogs would be brought there then.

Well, let's keep working together. I'd sure like to know what "they", whomever "they" is, to keep pointing to Burgess.

This is all my personal opinion. My hands, heart and brain don't function too well because my emotions get in the way when I think of Donna, her family, friends and extended Monkey Family

[IBE]

Something interesting

After we finished, we came back to the parking lot and went to a Starbucks. I had put something in my car as two LAPD cars approached and parked. As usual, i said "Thinks for serving" and the said "Thank YOU for serving".

I thought they were talking to Tim Miller, but I looked around and everyone but me was in the coffee place.. I wonder if we had been followed on that side of town.

I love all the PD and FD that serve, so am not against them per se in any way; just wish to know about the followup of finding Donna.

You know Burgess wanted immunity from the unregister sex offender's charge and he would tell about Donna. That was not granted and he isn't talking

imo why should he? She had gone "poof" and he gets out soon for good behavior.

perhaps the reward needs to be set higher for if a drug crowd is involved,
$ 15,000 would be nothing to them, IMO.


OK... who LE was the man and his partner in the white truck who bid up to $800 on Burgess's iddy bitty storage unit?? and got it for $125 much less when the other bidder found out they took cash only at the auction?

You were given the truck's lisc. # or at least on LE was

After all.. it is rumored that LAPD searched the unit twice... it was also rumored that the person who recd the units content was only interested in the small refrigerator?? and not the guitars et all in the iddy bitty storage unit? Why is that??? Was it the porno tapes?

It is rumored that Burgess, drugged, filmed his girls, put them on CD and sold them in England.

Why did you not respond when the until clerk after getting his picture called you and said he had been watching the search from across the street?

Who was the man who spent 20 min. questioning the clerk later about the missing girl and referred to her mother? and gave the clerk bad vibes... this info was forwarded to you. She used to be a bartender and has a 6th sense.

Why were the shears offered when someone cut the fence at the storage unit and tried to break into the first floor where his unit was, not taken by police when offered?

Rumored this was the first break-in attempt they had ever had.

Does the cut in the fence at the storage until match any other fence cuts/holes that you know about?

It is rumored you were told he was standing across the street watching you search and later still standing there and no response when he was still a wanted man.

How the gloves, rope, bungee cord, cleaning stuff et al fit in and the knives he had stored in the back yard? (this info from the press)

What about that icky picture he supposedly posted on the internet a few days after she went missing????

Who is the girl with the gun in his promo on his band? Is she the one rumored missing or?

Man, I am tired.

[Wyks]

It's been my experience, both in my personal life with our young adult friend who went missing, as well as in working with other families with missing loved ones.. that LE (in general) do not like 'extra help' from the outside.  Whether that be professional search teams, with or without tracking and/or cadaver dogs, or psychics and intuitives.  Most often this is due to ego problems of LE.  They seem to want to be the ones making the find.  Even if they've tried, exhausting every lead, etc.  They don't seem to want or appreciate anyone else coming along and making the find, when they didn't. 

The psychic woman in the Laci Peterson case, gave the exact location where she could be found, and had LE gone to that spot (long before they got around to it), Laci's body would have been found much sooner.  As it was, in the length of time it took, her body had drifted with the tide/currents.  She was found eventually, yes.  LE never has given credit to the psychic woman for her info, altho Laci's family gives her credit. 

It's as tho LE (in general) have a such a huge ego problem, that for the sakes of all missing persons everywhere, they need to get over themselves.  IMO.

[IBE]

Wyks,

Did the psychic volunteer her info? Is she available?

If you wish, Klaas could give you my email.

Personally, IMO having lived in Los Angeles for over 30 years ++ the LAPD is very dedicated and very underpowered. There are unique problems built in in the city. Overcrowding from those from Mexico, plus just sheer population.

I do know some LE who have even on cases, looked in their off time.

Wish we could find more answers.

What I have learned from Scared Monkeys through the years has made me more aware to some things I never even wanted to know.

But Scared Monkeys has raised the awareness of people and the main stream media.

Sometimes, I think their ego keeps them going. Such icky things they are involved in something positive counter affect has to keep them going.. I personally couldn't do it.

[Wyks]

Wyks,

Did the psychic volunteer her info? Is she available?

If you wish, Klaas could give you my email.

Personally, IMO having lived in Los Angeles for over 30 years ++ the LAPD is very dedicated and very underpowered. There are unique problems built in in the city. Overcrowding from those from Mexico, plus just sheer population.

I do know some LE who have even on cases, looked in their off time.

Wish we could find more answers.

What I have learned from Scared Monkeys through the years has made me more aware to some things I never even wanted to know.

But Scared Monkeys has raised the awareness of people and the main stream media.

Sometimes, I think their ego keeps them going. Such icky things they are involved in something positive counter affect has to keep them going.. I personally couldn't do it.

I agree with you IBE. 

And no, I haven't spoken with the intuitive about this case yet, was waiting to see if you thought Donna's family might welcome the opportunity. 

[IBE]

Wyks,

Thank you! I have been reading at the Caylee and Natalee sites and haven't checked here. Sorry.

Please, if you wish, ask Klaas for my email addy. I will email her now and give the OK.

Thanks

IBE

[Bearlyhere]

Nothing new.

http://www.donnajou.com/

My prayers go out to Donna's family and friends.

Does Donna have a room where we can go and light candles?

 

[Bearlyhere]

Praying for Donna and her family.

[NM]

Searchers cover ground again seeking clues
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The group scours Santa Monica Mountains in search of clues about an Orange County college student missing for six months.
By Jean-Paul Renaud, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
December 30, 2007
The search for a missing 19-year-old female college student brought together a diverse ensemble of volunteers Saturday hoping to find answers to a formidable question: What happened to Donna Jou six months ago?

About 100 relatives and friends -- even a former girlfriend of the man police have named as their prime suspect in Jou's disappearance -- scattered throughout the Santa Monica mountains in Malibu looking for clues.

"It happened six months ago, but it feels like it was yesterday," said Nili Jou, the missing girl's mother. "I want to start the new year with my daughter beside me."

The search was organized by Mike Melson, who started his nonprofit Christian search group Trinity Search & Recovery earlier this year after seeing other volunteers participate in previous search efforts. "I was embarrassed as a native Californian that people in Arkansas and Texas and North Carolina were coming to California to help find missing people," said Melson, whose group is based in Pleasanton, Calif. "We're a Christian organization, and I feel it's important that we get out of the pews and help our neighbors."

Los Angeles police detectives say Jou, a student at San Diego State University, met John Steven Burgess on the popular website Craigslist.com. The two were last seen together at Burgess' West Los Angeles home June 23.

Burgess, a registered sex offender who is serving a three-year prison sentence for not reporting his residence to authorities, has refused to talk to police about Jou's disappearance.

Authorities already unsuccessfully searched the mountains, a vast territory that detectives believe Burgess frequented. They did not join Saturday's search.

Others did, however, including Burgess' former girlfriend.

"I just felt when I lived with him, he did creepy things with me," said Missy Prusinski, 25, who also met Burgess on Craigslist and stayed with him for three weeks. "I just thought he was a creepy guy."

Melson said the extensive Santa Monica Mountains still could hold clues to Jou's whereabouts, even though another organized search launched by the Texas-based private search firm Equusearch came up empty three months ago.

"There are some folks out there that feel very cynical about a search like this," Melson told the crowd that gathered at Malibu Bluffs Park to help. "I think anyone here would do the same if our daughter was missing."

Volunteers were instructed to look for items that might help investigators. Melson recounted details of that June night to the scores of searchers who surrounded him:

Burgess picked Jou up on a black motorcycle at her parents' home in Rancho Santa Margarita. Both wore helmets as they sped off, family members recall. The motorcycle and one of the helmets have not been found. Jou wore a navy blue JanSport book bag; multicolored, checkered Vans tennis shoes; and a gold diamond-studded horseshoe necklace.

As he addressed the volunteers, Melson paused, leaned down and whispered into Nili Jou's ear. He wanted to warn her about what he was about to say next. "Unfortunately, we also have to acknowledge the fact that we may find Donna up there," Melson told his searchers. "If Donna is up there, we will find some type of human remains. If you do find human remains, you will know it."

Finally, Melson handed his searchers maps of the region divided into 24 zones and told them to stay on the main road.

"If you can't go off the road, [Jou's abductor] probably wouldn't have stopped either."

The all-day search turned up a book bag, a dumped motorcycle and a helmet. None was linked to Jou, however.

The search will continue again this morning.

"We won't give up until we find Donna," said the family's attorney, Gloria Allred. "And good people will help us."
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-search30dec30,1,6517931.story?coll=la-headlines-california&ctrack=1&cset=true

Hey Monkeys,
Prayers for Donna's return.

I was just reading back and found the above very coincidental that the seachers found a book bag, a ditched motorcycle and helmut but not linked to Donna. guess those are popular items to toss out on that stretch of road.


While reading this thread I had to login to make this post. I typed in my used name and password and left the  length of login to forever, hit enter and and it brought me to a web page that had just a photo of this creep, the main suspect SB. I am embarrassed to say I panicked and hit the back button before I should have copied the web address. Also it was a very clear picture of SB, he was bearded and smiling and looking smug.
Could/Can SM be hached like that?

[IBE]

Please ask Klaas about this.

by the way, which former gf of Burgess? The one that was at the party that night?

[IBE]

NM thanks for the question. I left a O/T message for Klaas in the Haleigh thread.

He has many pictures with smirks... was it the one in court or?? Did he have long or short hair?

I had heard he had was always on his computer when not partying, and doing things for cash. He was a big on on Craig's list.

[IBE]

The search was along Malibu Canyon Road (very steep, where lots of things go off the road) and the Carbon Canyon Road. I think these areas were picked as being where the person might have thrown her clothes, et al. Of course, thrown out with great effort and anything could be at the bottom of canyons. Also fires went through there, I think, afterwards.

From what I hear he liked the wilderness trails in Malibu Creek State park and the LAPD and I think Orange county took tracking dogs along some of the trails there.

I am guessing perhaps they got the info off his computer. It is said and also denied by some, that he wrote emails to Orange County Sheriff's (CA) Dept when he was in Fla. of ideas he had as what might have happened to Donna.. sort of like OJ's "If I had done it thing"

Well, we have so many missing in CA and some are illegal so they just get in the large numbers.

I still have to feel that LAPD and Orange County Sheriff's Dept. hasn't given up on this.

Klaas I emailed Dana and it came back. Maybe I didn't add the <> things. Will do again when I am well.

[IBE]

So, was he living in CA a few years ago?  Do we know where he got the 2002 thing (beating up his girlfriend/wife...?); where he was in 2003 (sex offender on the 14 year old girl); and from 03-07?  Is there any way to find that out?

Because I am wondering:  If he lived in CA before, he would have contacts & know the areas...  But if he just moved here in fall 06, then he knows only what he discovered in those months he was living on Faris Drive.

He lived, so I have been told, for several years, not to long ago, near the intersection of Overland Blvd and Rose which is just sound of the FWY 10, Overland exit near where the tool box was found.  This prior place would be a tad under a mile sort of sw from where he lived on Faris.

I understand he has been a CA resident for quite awhile... maybe with just a few months in between living in another state.  So maybe there were more times he didn't register. Checking up on the registering for Sex Offenders is supposed to be done by the Local police.. in this LAPD keeps tabs on whether he registers or not... but didn't.

[SurfCity]

L.A. Times Update

Sex offender charged in 2007 disappearance of San Diego State student
3:29 PM | March 17, 2009

A registered sex offender who was due to be paroled from state prison now faces additional criminal charges stemming from the disappearance -- and presumed death -- of 19-year-old Donna Jou, a student at San Diego State University.

John Steven Burgess, 36, was scheduled to be released from state prison after serving more than a year in prison for failing to register as a sex offender before his arrest Saturday by Los Angeles police detectives. Today, authorities charged Burgess, long considered a suspect in Jou's death, with involuntary manslaughter, according to sources familiar with the case.

In court today, Burgess pleaded not guilty and bail was set at $1 million. His next hearing is scheduled for April 1.

Detectives said Burgess met Jou on Craigslist.org, and the pair exchanged e-mails and phone calls.

Burgess lured Jou from her mother's Rancho Santa Margarita apartment onto the back of his motorcycle on June 23, 2007.

Jou was last seen alive at Burgess' dilapidated rental house in Palms. It was Burgess, investigators say, who repainted his 1998 Ford Ranger and fled after Jou vanished, and it was his tool box -- containing a motorcycle helmet, his truck's license plate, rope, rubber gloves and a scrub brush -- that turned up near his house.

Los Angeles Police Det. Ron Ito said today that Burgess told investigators he had dumped the body in the ocean, and police searched for it off the Southern California coast within the last couple of weeks.

"We haven't given up, but at this point we have halted the search for further evaluation," Ito said, adding that investigators believe Burgess dumped Jou's body a few days after her disappearance and that she overdosed on drugs he gave her. Ito also said police believe Burgess acted alone.

Burgess went to Florida in 2007 after police sought to question him in connection with Jou's disappearance, and he was extradited to California. He has refused to talk to authorities about his contacts with Jou during his time in state prison for failing to notify authorities of his residence.

Prosecutors said Burgess has officially been charged with involuntary manslaughter. He also was charged with one count each of sale or transportation of heroin and sale or transportation of cocaine, in addition to one misdemeanor count of concealment of an accidental death.

"It's been heartbreaking for the Jou family not to have known what happened to their daughter," said attorney Gloria Allred, who is representing the family. "They knew she was last seen with John Steven Burgess at his home.

"It was also excruciating for them to learn that Mr. Burgess indicated that he had information about Donna but declined to provide that information to authorities unless a deal was made in reference to his prosecution for failing to register as a sexual predator," she continued. "No such deal was made and he went to prison."

Since then, Allred said the family has continued to ask Burgess for information, and the family sent him cards "telling him how much they miss her."

"We hope that today with the arraignment that there will be justice for Donna," Allred said.

-- Andrew Blankstein and Ari B. Bloomekatz

Edit:  Please include a  link.  Hello and welcome to Scared Monkeys

[Edward]

Good to see that they are going to charge him..

Still they need a location and or some evidence..

[IBE]

Los Angeles County has prosecuting, successfully, cases without a body.

They must have some evidence if the Grand Jury voted to charge him.

[IBE]

"prosecuting" should have been "prosecuted"

Am a upset, sorry

[IBE]

Hello, MuffyBee, yucatexan, lindam and 1 Guest

The local channel had some news of this on at 8 pm but they are covering the homecoming of some of the 8 children.

Anyone have updates??

OK.. have a question... did he use his boat in the LA Harbor or one in Marina Del Rey?