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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 - 3/20/15  (Read 483182 times)
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« Reply #120 on: October 21, 2013, 06:32:56 PM »

It's hard to believe it's been over 100 months...

Natalee brought us here, we may not always agree; but we're still here.  And those monkeys who have gone on before us are still a part of us; and always will be.

So many friends made, so many joys and sorrows shared, laughter and tears, so many lessons learned (some harder than others).  I'm extremely grateful for this community and the opportunity to be a part of it.  Thank you Red, Klaas, Nut, CBB, Bearly, and everyone here!  I won't give up on Justice for Natalee, and I still pray that one day she will finally come home...and I hope to be here when that happens!

  for Natalee!   

Little known trivia, Red and Tom started this sight before Natalee.  Yes, everyone, the monkeys were alive before that event.  I think that was the event that propelled us into being a family, but Red and Tom saw this need before Natalee even got on the plane to Auba.

I have to agree with you.  I am grateful for this community.  Thanks, Sis for the reminder.  I would be remiss if I didn't mention 2NJ and Muffy for not giving up and making this a safe place to express what is in our hearts.



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« Reply #121 on: October 21, 2013, 07:15:38 PM »

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I wonder what EuroRobert thought of the program.

Well now... That is a good question!

There were some new 'facts' - at least for me. But it wasn't earth shaking in my opinion.
But I made some notes. So you can judge for yourselves.


The program was divided into three sections or 'scenarios'.

Scenario 1 - The Pimps

Three fishermen say that it is impossible that Joran and Natalee were at the beach at the time Joran said they were there. The would have been seen by the fishermen.
Another witness says he saw the Kalpoe car at 2.30hrs somewhere else on the island.
Possibly Joran and others took Natalee to Jorans house to have sex. That was their habbit or even ‘modus operandi’ (possibly they sometimes even drugged girls). In march earlier that year for instance they rented a hotelroom in ‘The Mill’ to have sex with two American and one Colombian girl. A girl named Karen says that they took pictures of those gatherings and videos.
At least one chat conversation on Jorans computer between Joran and one of the Kalpoes confirmes that. But those videos and images were not found in the police investigation. Possibly they were erased. Police and FBI thought that videos of those sex events were possibly sold to a man named Paul B. aka the Mister Pink of Pink Productions. He had relations with the people behind the website Reality Kings. It was this website of which Joran downloaded two porn movies at the night of the disappearance of Natalee.

Scenario 2 - DJ Diablo

DJ Diablo (Steve ?) had a party boat ‘The Tattoo’. He told Natalee was dropped of at a hotel lobby but survailance camera videos showed he lied about that. He says later that night he was at his boat. Did he help Joran dump Natalee’s body in the ocean. He had told more lies about where he was and what he did. He had told he was in another bar and didn’t know if he had been in the Carlos and Charlies but it was proven he was there that evening.

Scenario 3 - The rapist

Tracey Allen from Denver Colorado had been attacked nine days before Natalee disappeared. That had happened at the Fisherman’s Huts. It looked like that guy had been waiting for a woman to be there at her own. It looked like a modus operandi. He had been waiting there for some time. For about four minutes the halfly undressed guy tried to pull Tracey in his car. But she screamed and fought back.
Later she could identify the guy with the help of the FBI and was 100 % sure that was the guy. The guy had been arrested and put in jail on Aruba but for some unclear reason was let go whereafter he fled, probably to Colombia or Venezuela.

The general conclusion or perspective of the program was that the police investigations were done very bad. For instance the fact that the door of Natalees hotel room was opened three times with Natalee’s key card was not thouroughly investigated. But this was crucial information. Was it Natalee herself who had regained her consiounce and come back from the beach, was or were it the people who left Natalee on the beach or somewhere else of even killed her? Or did Natalee’s roommates had legitametely - or not - used her card. Natalee’s roommates were not asked if they had Natalee’s key card.
Another thing that was a total fail was that survaillance camera’s on the island were only investigated three weeks after the disappearence of Natalee. But most video recordings were standardly erased after two weeks. So it couldn’t been seen where the car of the Kalpoes had driven and so on.

The reporters have written a book on their findings as well.

It's 22.45 in the evening here. But daytime for you so: have a good day!

Goodbye!!!

 

Thanks, EURobert.  Good to see you.  Thanks for the help.  Take care.

   

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« Reply #122 on: October 21, 2013, 08:10:47 PM »



Really Julia...ya think they might have been planning to do the same with Natalee?

Well of course you do, you've always known.

I've got one word for you Julia, KARMA. 

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« Reply #123 on: October 21, 2013, 10:17:32 PM »

Today was Natalee's birthday!  She would have been 27.
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« Reply #124 on: October 21, 2013, 10:41:02 PM »

I think I edited all the "f" words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_kQrllIyk

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The main suspects in the Natalee Holloway case , Joran van der Sloot and Deepak Kalpoe , some months before her disappearance participated in a sex fest with American tourists were in a hotel in Aruba. In addition , Van der Sloot as a witness filming of an underage girl . This is contained in the confidential police file on the case , which KRO's Focal - Reporter got hands . The investigation also found chat messages showing that Joran van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe re photo and film wanted to make a woman . Few weeks after

Joran hired along with a group of friends during the Easter holidays of 2005 for three days a room at the Mill Hotel in Aruba. At one point there were two American tourists were and a Colombian girl brought to the room , with whom contact was made in Carlos' n Charlies , the nightclub where Natalee Holloway was on the night of her disappearance .

Freddy , a friend of Joran was present and stated to the police : " It was on a Saturday that Joran , Deepak and I went to The Mill Hotel along with three girls I have sex with an American girl sitting Deepak went into the bathroom . . went AMERICAN sex with a girl on the balcony . with the Colombian girl. Joran Joran told me later that the girl had sucked him. " on the balcony Another witness says: " Joran had said that when he was in me this year " The Mili Hotel " was staying , he had filmed when the girl under the influence of alcoholic beverages wrong a fourteen year old girl in the hotel room . "

Research by the Dutch Forensic Institute at the computer Joran van der Sloot , has proved again that he was planning to make a sex act . Filming a few weeks later Satish Kalpoe asks Joran van der Sloot that he is going to do that day. Joran : " A little f***en with my chick on the beach ." Satish : " This time we're filming it ."

A cold case team re- investigated in the case, pulled in an official report concluded: " The seized chats , found on the computer of Joran van der Sloot , know actually but a few topics f***en or f*** , alcohol , chicks and renting hotel rooms , apparently for there to have sex with girls and photographing or filming them . "

Following the Cold Case investigation, Joran vd Sloot arrested again in 2007 , but in Aruba released for lack of evidence by a judge again .

The reports on the issue can be read on the website of Focal - KRO Reporter : reporter.incontxt.nl

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Er_kQrllIyk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/Er_kQrllIyk</a>

Julia, the voice of reason.  She looks good here.

 
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« Reply #125 on: October 21, 2013, 11:26:02 PM »

Happy Birthday Natalee,
we're still here...not giving up!

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #126 on: October 21, 2013, 11:57:52 PM »

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #129 on: October 22, 2013, 02:34:15 AM »



Really Julia...ya think they might have been planning to do the same with Natalee?

Well of course you do, you've always known.

I've got one word for you Julia, KARMA. 

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« Reply #130 on: October 22, 2013, 04:14:07 AM »

Today was Natalee's birthday!  She would have been 27.

Today is the day after my son's birthday.  All of the missing were in my heart yesterday as we celebrated another year of life. 

Natalee, if the love in a heart could bring a person back to life, surely you would be with us today.  Unfortunately, it was hate, not love that took you away.  It will be love that brings you back.  It will happen, I am sure, for love conquers hate, and there is no mother that loves her daughter more than your mother loves you.  Beth, you were on my mind today.  I cannot feel your pain, but the pain I felt at your loss was tremendous, the pain you must feel has to knock you off your feet every day.  That you get up every day and put one foot in front of the other is a miracle.  Our Lord must place his hands in yours to help you arise each morning.  I am glad to know you have someone with you each and every minute, even the ones you feel more alone than anyone should ever feel.

Let's hope 27 is the magic number.  It seems to some without faith, or some who have temporarily forgotten people are working night and day somewhere to help bring our Natalee home, it will never happen.  Beth, I hope I was not too bold in claiming her as my own, along with countless others who have gone to bed every night with her on our minds and woken up each morning to go confidently through the day, thinking there has been enough suffering, and surely today is the day we will bring Natalee home.

We are here with you, Beth, waiting for the day Natalee comes home and each, in our own way, doing what we can to make that happen.  Maybe we have prayed, attended a book signing, contributed to a search, read your book, or stopped someone from going to the island which will remain nameless, because this is not about them, it is not about fear, it is not about despair.  This is about Natalee and her birthday.  It is a celebration of the anniversary she was born into this world.  We are so grateful she was here.  She has left her footprints in the sand and on our hearts, we will find where her earthly footprints ended and her heavenly ones began.  She will come home.

Beth, I see you in the promos for your various speaking engagements, and for the new projects you embark on to make sure each and every daughter and son of ours comes home safely from a trip that should bring fond memories, even silly teenage memories.  You look so much like Natalee, you are blended as one and I realize she is here with us, and you carry with you her legacy.  You want love, faith, and happiness, just like Natalee, and you want our children and all of us to be able to go on vacation and let our hair down, and let us do it without fear.  We can bring home any kind of memory we want because, when we are safe, we have a choice, a choice to have happy memories, crazy memories, and even outrageous ones, but the memories and the events are our choice and not the choice of someone who would dare bring harm for their 'pleasure.' 

I cannot imagine what they do is pleasure for them, if it was, those memories would last longer and they would not need to repeat their heinous acts over and over again, making things worse and more dangerous with each act.  When will they wake up to the reality of it all?  Thanks for helping all those you have touched remain safe, no matter what they have chosen to do on their trips, as long as they are cognitively aware of what is going on.  With your help, these girls and boys will bring only the happiest of memories back from their safe travels.  I hope these practices become so engrained in our lives, the criminals are thwarted by their practice and the people who are on vacation, know exactly what to do as these practices become innate.

God bless you, Beth for taking what is surely the worst moment of your life and turning it into years of hard work to make sure no one else ever experiences your pain.

Happy Birthday, Natalee!  Beth and Dave, you are forever linked by this ray of sunshine named Natalee.   We celebrate the happy memories of picking her special name, the preparation of the room that would be hers, the many plans you made for her until she was old enough to do them for herself, and the hope you had she would be born healthy, and live a long, happy and fruitful life.  Remember and celebrate those memories, they were real, and cannot be taken from you.  From the moment you looked into her beautiful eyes, she brought happiness and pride to you both.  Beth and Dave made beautiful children, best of all, their beauty started from within.  They must have been outstanding parents.  I can't forget Natalee's sister, a beauty herself, who has missed the guidance of a big sister for too many years.  May God be with you, and all Nat's loving friends and relatives, as we celebrate the 27th anniversary of the birth of our heart, Natalee Holloway.

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« Reply #131 on: October 22, 2013, 11:57:28 AM »


Kyle Kingman today on Natalee.  His daughter, Natalee started kindergarten this year.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/662528693779749/

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« Reply #132 on: October 22, 2013, 07:58:07 PM »


Kyle Kingman today on Natalee.  His daughter, Natalee started kindergarten this year.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/662528693779749/



I know many of us both respected and was grateful for Kyle during the search -- and then was very much upset with him for not following through with his convictions afterwards. After seeing his post, I wonder if he can now come back and tell us his thoughts and what he has done about it since --- 5 years later.
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« Reply #133 on: October 22, 2013, 11:32:11 PM »

http://www.costaricantimes.com/the-ghost-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/21741

The Ghost of Natalee Holloway in Aruba?

Posted by Paul Dale Roberts on Tuesday, October 22, 2013

 

With the many witnesses that claim to have seen or heard about the blonde phantom woman of the Aruba beaches, I do believe they are seeing something that may be paranormal. With the two EVPs that I received, there is a strong indication that there is paranormal activity. I gathered no positive proof that the EVPs are from Natalee Holloway, nor did I ever see a blonde phantom woman on the beaches of Aruba. Many people believe Joran spiked Natalee’s drinks with drugs. Many people believe that Joran’s father took Natalee on his boat and dumped her body in the ocean. One person I interviewed that calls herself Sasha, says he received this information from the circle of friends that were associated with Joran. My thoughts, when rumors are this strong, there appears there may be some type of foundation of truth and this matter should continue being investigated by the police. As long as Natalee’s death is not confirmed, Aruba cannot truly be ‘one happy island’. There must be a conclusion to this and justice must be served! Natalee will always be in the hearts of millions. She is an innocent girl that confronted evil and paid a terrible price. God bless Natalee.

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« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2013, 12:56:15 AM »


Kyle Kingman today on Natalee.  His daughter, Natalee started kindergarten this year.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/598727173493235/662528693779749/



I know many of us both respected and was grateful for Kyle during the search -- and then was very much upset with him for not following through with his convictions afterwards. After seeing his post, I wonder if he can now come back and tell us his thoughts and what he has done about it since --- 5 years later.

The same thought ran through my head, Wreck. 

I always hoped when the smoke cleared, little Natalee got older, or someone looked deep inward and didn't like what they saw, things would be made clearer.  Would anyone recognize the truth if presented?  Which version of the truth are we up to?  Even those who share the same cage have conflicting thoughts about what happened, when, how did she disappear, where was she then, and where is she now?  Some disagree about Joran's knowledge of her present location.

Beth seemed satisfied with Peter's research.  There are still other questions to be answered, there are still other questions to be asked.

   

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« Reply #135 on: October 23, 2013, 01:06:34 AM »

http://www.costaricantimes.com/the-ghost-of-natalee-holloway-in-aruba/21741

The Ghost of Natalee Holloway in Aruba?

Posted by Paul Dale Roberts on Tuesday, October 22, 2013

 

With the many witnesses that claim to have seen or heard about the blonde phantom woman of the Aruba beaches, I do believe they are seeing something that may be paranormal. With the two EVPs that I received, there is a strong indication that there is paranormal activity. I gathered no positive proof that the EVPs are from Natalee Holloway, nor did I ever see a blonde phantom woman on the beaches of Aruba. Many people believe Joran spiked Natalee’s drinks with drugs. Many people believe that Joran’s father took Natalee on his boat and dumped her body in the ocean. One person I interviewed that calls herself Sasha, says he received this information from the circle of friends that were associated with Joran. My thoughts, when rumors are this strong, there appears there may be some type of foundation of truth and this matter should continue being investigated by the police. As long as Natalee’s death is not confirmed, Aruba cannot truly be ‘one happy island’. There must be a conclusion to this and justice must be served! Natalee will always be in the hearts of millions. She is an innocent girl that confronted evil and paid a terrible price. God bless Natalee.

By Paul Dale Roberts, HPI Esoteric Detective
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« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2013, 11:57:38 PM »

It's hard to believe it's been over 100 months...

Natalee brought us here, we may not always agree; but we're still here.  And those monkeys who have gone on before us are still a part of us; and always will be.

So many friends made, so many joys and sorrows shared, laughter and tears, so many lessons learned (some harder than others).  I'm extremely grateful for this community and the opportunity to be a part of it.  Thank you Red, Klaas, Nut, CBB, Bearly, and everyone here!  I won't give up on Justice for Natalee, and I still pray that one day she will finally come home...and I hope to be here when that happens!

  for Natalee!   

Little known trivia, Red and Tom started this sight before Natalee.  Yes, everyone, the monkeys were alive before that event.  I think that was the event that propelled us into being a family, but Red and Tom saw this need before Natalee even got on the plane to Auba.

I have to agree with you.  I am grateful for this community.  Thanks, Sis for the reminder.  I would be remiss if I didn't mention 2NJ and Muffy for not giving up and making this a safe place to express what is in our hearts.



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San!!!   

I have looked at this post over and over because something did not feel right.  I skimmed over names like I usually do, which is why everyone else remembers all of the characters much better than I.  Tonight I read it again, typed a message, with emoticons out my ear, and a very heartfelt apology.  I could hear the little men on the top of my IE tool bar weeping from my pleas of forgiveness.  Then it happened.  I hit Refresh instead of Preview.  The little men were flung from my task bar into oblivion.  I think thy now work for Firefox.  When I was using Firefox, this would not have been a problem, I could hit edit and get every word back and all was right with the world.  With IE, there is no such feature that I know about or can find, and therefore, my apology is known only to the little men on top of my toolbar, may they have had a soft landing.  San would have hated it anyway, maybe it was kismet.

San, a woman with a small name and a big heart, your dedication to Natalee has not gone unnoticed.  You are deeply admired for your ability to pull the right words out of the air at the right moment, and your ability to retrieve the information stored in your memory.  You have, not only the ability to remember what happened years ago, but to remember how that story has changed over the years.  If we only remembered the beginning and not how things changed, we may still be blaming a security guard for her disappearance.  You are not one to live in the past.  Thank you for your dedication to Natalee, San, my fellow mod and fur baby lover.  Your championing of this sweet woman who was taken from us too soon is inspiring.

I will repost my cheers for you, like it or not.

 

 
 
 
 

   


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« Reply #137 on: October 24, 2013, 12:55:24 AM »

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/23/living/missing-children-hope/

For parents of the missing, does hope spring eternal? 
updated 4:34 PM EDT, Wed October 23, 2013

 
Few know the fleeting moments of hope -- and anguish -- associated with the search for a missing child like Dave Holloway, the father of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who went missing on a trip to Aruba in 2005. The Holloway case captivated the country, and even now from time to time, a new lead in the case will make headlines.

'A never-ending story'

In an interview with HLN, Holloway said he is currently interested in one such lead. There is a Dutch man in Aruba, he said, who claims to know where Natalee's body was hidden. Holloway is a bit skeptical, but if the information seems promising, he'll follow through. This is the life of a parent who has seen every side of his child's tragedy laid bare for the public: The panic, the hope, the feelings of resignation and the never-ending quest for answers.

Holloway says he doesn't mind the media attention. If anything, he appreciates it. He wants it. Any coverage gets the family closer to finding out the truth. "If the media is not attacking it, the [Aruban] authorities aren't interested," he said. "Of all of the thousands of cases involving missing children, the parents have always yearned for media attention."

Over the years, Holloway has worked with numerous families and support groups for parents with missing children. In addition to all of the grief he has felt and witnessed, another emotion surfaces, as well: Guilt. When a child is lost, it at first seems as if the options are inexhaustible. As time passes, the leads become fewer, the attention dies down and Holloway said, some parents he has met are left grasping at straws.

"There's a lot of guilt," he said. "I ran into individuals that felt like they maybe could have done more, keep pushing and pushing, and maybe something will get done."

Natalee Holloway was declared dead in 2012. It was her father who filed the petition. It wasn't, he said, for emotional closure. "At some point in time, you've got to take care of some legal issues. She was still listed as a beneficiary -- there's insurance, savings accounts."

Dave Holloway had started a college fund for Natalee that had to be used by the time she turned 21. Her 21st birthday came and went in 2007, and she wasn't there to collect it.

"Time eventually takes care of the healing process," Holloway said. "But for us, it's like a never-ending story."

The Holloways are certain they know who can tell them about their daughter's disappearance. Unfortunately, that man is languishing in a Peruvian prison. Dutch national Joran Van Der Sloot was a prime suspect in Holloway's disappearance, and his ever-changing claims regarding his involvement kept the media, and the Holloways, on a tight leash. He was indicted by the United States for fraud and extortion in connection with the case. However, in 2012, he pleaded guilty to the murder of a young woman in Lima, and is currently serving a 28-year sentence. For the Holloways, that means their quest for justice has been put on an excruciating, lengthy hold.

"Somebody knows the answers, and someone is withholding," Holloway said of Van Der Sloot. Holloway said he and his family had been frustrated by the authorities in Aruba, and now, they must abide by the Peruvian justice system as well. "It's never going to end for us, as far as justice is concerned."
 
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« Reply #138 on: October 26, 2013, 12:40:40 AM »

 

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/boulevard/crime/van-der-sloot-blijft-betrokkenheid-verdwijning-natalee-ontkennen

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Van der Sloot continues to deny involvement disappearance Natalee

Joran van der Sloot still denies having anything to do with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. He does this in an interview with RTL.

Van der Sloot admits, from his cell in Peru Lima, he told the then 17-year-old American student who was vacationing in Aruba. Many lies But clarify the matter, he can not, he says. "Because I do not know what exactly happened."

'Error'
What the Dutch do remember is that he that night in June 2005 with Natalee to the beach at Fisherman's Hut is gone after a night out. "We were very drunk. No drugs. I left her alone on the beach. That was a mistake. I should bring. Her to the hotel"
 
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« Reply #139 on: October 26, 2013, 01:57:59 AM »


Please light a candle remembering Natalee and her family's quest for answers.  Since two were created, you may use one or both.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Nat%27s


 

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