Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #868 8/16/13 - 3/20/15

[texasmom]

Justice for Natalee!

 

[Bearlyhere]

http://news.yahoo.com/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-155733482.html
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison. (Reuters)
 
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison
The prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance gets hitched to his pregnant girlfriend.  Remains locked up until 2038 »

This is the way I see things, I welcome anyone showing me where my thinking differs from theirs.

Joran, once again, ends up taking advantage of the system.  Even without marrying his pregnant girlfriend, he already had the right to have conjugal visits with this woman.  Joran is managing to live the high life in prison while Natalee and Stephany's loved ones continue to suffer from their losses; the way he lives is one huge continuous slap in the faces of the families of his victims. 

Marrying Leidy only gives the baby his last name.  Whether he marries her or not, he still gets to have sex with her and maintain their relationship, nothing really changes.  He courted a woman without spending a dime, not many people can say that.  His room and board are paid for, his meals are paid for, nothing was or is paid for by him, while people who are not in prison struggle to maintain these very things.  Everything was paid for by the good people of Peru, including his medical and dental while hard working people struggle to pay for and get the insurance and medical procedures they desperately need. 

What is the difference whether he marries her or not?  He already 'got the cow for free' without 'paying for the milk.'  Even if they get married, he still gets sent to the US to answer to his crimes against Beth.  That does not change from what I understand.  The only truly innocent person here is his baby and now s/he gets to be part of a family and at least has the illusion that his/her parents loved each other.  The main problem with this is his/her father has one of the worst criminal minds.  He has no conscience and everyone who sees his child's name will ostracize the poor kid.  What parent is going to want his/her child to be mixed up with that family? 

Either way the child loses.  I did not realize how important a father was to the child until I heard kids talking about their missing parent.  If the parent is deceased, they make up stories in their minds about a perfect parent they are missing out on knowing.  I hear children talking about a parent they never met, giving them almost god-like characteristics and day dreaming about the parent showing up one day, whisking them away, and taking them off to their castle (or whatever dream of rescue the children have going on in their minds that day.  The real loser in all this is the child of Van der Sloot.  She should have kept her Van der Slit closed. 

The child is the one who is not being thought about in the situation and if Joran's wife had any compassion for her child, she would give him/her up for adoption.  How does anyone expect Joran's child to have a decent life?  It is not going to happen.  She can have all the sex she wants with Joran, just don't let any innocent children get hurt.  They are the innocent ones who are going to have to pay for his crimes.  Obviously, his wife is no great judge of character.  Until she can make better choices, she should not have kids.

I do not expect this marriage to last.  I think she has some sort of romantic fantasy playing in her head where she changes Joran from his evil ways and turns him into a good guy.  His brain is wired to be evil, to be violent, to be a liar, and to be a murderer if he does not get his way.  Why he, a multiple murderer, is allowed to live the life he is living off the backs of hard-working people from Peru is beyond what I can comprehend.  They will be divorced when the paint from the delusional picture she is painting begins to dry, crack, and fade.

God bless the little one she is carrying.  This infant will be carrying the weight of his/her mother's poor decisions for the rest of his/her life.  So very sad.  Joran ruins everyone he touches.

[Kermit]

Tennis show comparison to shoe inside cage.

[Kermit]

Daddy

[Kermit]

http://news.yahoo.com/joran-van-der-sloot-ties-knot-peru-prison-155733482.html
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison. (Reuters)
 
Joran van der Sloot gets married in Peru prison
The prime suspect in Natalee Holloway's 2005 disappearance gets hitched to his pregnant girlfriend.  Remains locked up until 2038 »

This is the way I see things, I welcome anyone showing me where my thinking differs from theirs.

Joran, once again, ends up taking advantage of the system.  Even without marrying his pregnant girlfriend, he already had the right to have conjugal visits with this woman.  Joran is managing to live the high life in prison while Natalee and Stephany's loved ones continue to suffer from their losses; the way he lives is one huge continuous slap in the faces of the families of his victims. 

Marrying Leidy only gives the baby his last name.  Whether he marries her or not, he still gets to have sex with her and maintain their relationship, nothing really changes.  He courted a woman without spending a dime, not many people can say that.  His room and board are paid for, his meals are paid for, nothing was or is paid for by him, while people who are not in prison struggle to maintain these very things.  Everything was paid for by the good people of Peru, including his medical and dental while hard working people struggle to pay for and get the insurance and medical procedures they desperately need. 

What is the difference whether he marries her or not?  He already 'got the cow for free' without 'paying for the milk.'  Even if they get married, he still gets sent to the US to answer to his crimes against Beth.  That does not change from what I understand.  The only truly innocent person here is his baby and now s/he gets to be part of a family and at least has the illusion that his/her parents loved each other.  The main problem with this is his/her father has one of the worst criminal minds.  He has no conscience and everyone who sees his child's name will ostracize the poor kid.  What parent is going to want his/her child to be mixed up with that family? 

Either way the child loses.  I did not realize how important a father was to the child until I heard kids talking about their missing parent.  If the parent is deceased, they make up stories in their minds about a perfect parent they are missing out on knowing.  I hear children talking about a parent they never met, giving them almost god-like characteristics and day dreaming about the parent showing up one day, whisking them away, and taking them off to their castle (or whatever dream of rescue the children have going on in their minds that day.  The real loser in all this is the child of Van der Sloot.  She should have kept her Van der Slit closed. 

The child is the one who is not being thought about in the situation and if Joran's wife had any compassion for her child, she would give him/her up for adoption.  How does anyone expect Joran's child to have a decent life?  It is not going to happen.  She can have all the sex she wants with Joran, just don't let any innocent children get hurt.  They are the innocent ones who are going to have to pay for his crimes.  Obviously, his wife is no great judge of character.  Until she can make better choices, she should not have kids.

I do not expect this marriage to last.  I think she has some sort of romantic fantasy playing in her head where she changes Joran from his evil ways and turns him into a good guy.  His brain is wired to be evil, to be violent, to be a liar, and to be a murderer if he does not get his way.  Why he, a multiple murderer, is allowed to live the life he is living off the backs of hard-working people from Peru is beyond what I can comprehend.  They will be divorced when the paint from the delusional picture she is painting begins to dry, crack, and fade.

God bless the little one she is carrying.  This infant will be carrying the weight of his/her mother's poor decisions for the rest of his/her life.  So very sad.  Joran ruins everyone he touches.

He has some motive in this - bet on it!
She is no better. She was having sex ewwwww with that small pecker in a prison no less that has a nasty hole in the floor for his poop. The smell alone would have run most decent common sense woman off. Well, I guess maybe not Mary. 

28 years is a long time to raise a child alone and wait for her babies daddy to get out. Oh yeah, he won't be getting out, he'll then be extradited to the U.S.

Hope his baby daughter never goes through the computer and finds the name Natalee Holloway!

 

[nonesuche]

Justice for Natalee!

 

Texasmom, thank you and Klaas, Red and the SM team that never let Natalee's injustice fade away......

The young woman he just married now has her 15 minutes of fame

[klaasend]

Rammstein at BFN translated the above document as follows:

We,

Jaquelline Josette de WINDT, head officer with the Korps Politie Aruba, attached to the section surveillance of Sint Nicolaas.

Antoon Ronanld de RUITER, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Utrecht South East and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

Clemens Johannes Maria BURGWAL, sergeant of police in the Netherlands, region Utrecht, districht Paardenveld and appointed by National Decision by the Governor number DWJZ 3473/05 dated July 27th 2005 as special temporary officer of the Korps Politie Aruba.

State the following.

On Monday August 8th 2005, at approximately 09.48 we, the reporting officers, questioned in the police station of Oranjestad in Aruba, the suspect

Joran Andreas Petrus VAN DER SLOOT
born on August 6th 1987 in the Netherlands and living at Montanja 19 in Aruba

for further information.
The interview was conducted by us, reporting officers de Windt and the Ruiter and in the control-room, I, reporting officer Burgwal followed the interview via an internally installed video-system. And by me, reporting officer Burgwal a summation was made regarding the interview.

For the description of the interview room and the control room I refer to a seperate police report made about this.

In the interview room was also present the lawyer of the suspect, named mr. O.R.G. Faarup.

Suspect made statements to questions put to him, in an abridged version, the now following:

Suspect was congratulated by the reporting officers for his birthday. He smiled.

Suspect was then informed that the District Attorney on Aruba had filed a deposition with the court with regard to extending so that the temporary arrest warrant would be extended to September 4th.

Suspect was onces again informed of the statements that were made by his friend Freddy and people close to Freddy.

He was also asked why his legal team was mis-informing the press with regard to the interviews in an appearant attempt to put the police in a bad light. In the press it was written that the lawyers were not given time to speak to the client and that on his birthday he was interrogated from the early morning to late at night.
The suspect did not answer.

The suspect was shown/informed that he had stated that he and the girl went for a walk. And that there was a statement of someone that saw Deepak Kalpoe's car at a location that was several hundred yards away from the Fishermans hut.
He was asked about the logic of this and other issues and whether he can explain why he was there with the other boys in that particular location.
The suspect did not respond.

He was again confronted with statements made by several of his intimate friends that he had screwed them/hung them out to dry by lying and having sexaul relations with the girlfriend of one of his friends. These boys say that he has been constantly fooling them and manipulating.
He was again confronted with the statement of the girl Martina, who was offered a beverage during the sexual relations that caused her lips to feel tingly.
The suspect did not respond.

After that there were several confrontations with regard to the date of giving statements by several witnesses, the omissions in the statements of the suspect and the omissions in the statements made by his fellow suspects and the timeline in which those statements were made.
The suspect did not respond.

Suspect was asked to take off one of his shoes. Suspect looked back and wanted to find support from his lawyer but his lawyer was not looking at him and was writing.
He put it on the the table noisily/with a bang.
The reporting officers then asked him why he was wearing K-swiss shoes size 14 on the day in question when he now was wearing size 10.5 shoes.
After the suspect had put his shoe back on, I, reporting officer de Ruiter pressed down on the nose of the shoe and felt that the toes of the suspect fit straightly and properly in the shoe.
The suspect did not respond.

The interview was concluded at approxmimately 11.30.

 

Wonder if it was Anita or Paul that made sure the label in his shoes was changed.  No way did Joran ever wear a 10.5.  Paulus probably did but not Joran. 

[grace-land]

http://trome.pe/actualidad/esposa-joran-van-der-sloot-podria-sufrir-problemas-psicologicos-holandes-2014677?href=hflujo4

Google translation

Sunday July 6, 2014 | 8:20
Wife of Joran van der Sloot could suffer psychological problems of the Dutch

Among Leydi Figueroa Uceda and murderer Joran van der Sloot's not necessarily love, but-perhaps-a mutual interest which the psychological situation of the alien could end badly. For the psychiatrist hospital 'Hermilio Valdizán' Hector Castro León, this relationship 'hanging by a thread' because it is not known how the Dutch might react to extreme stress.

"Sometimes it's hard to believe how a person can put your life at risk, but it happens. Leydi is ignoring the severe your condition Joran (tested for their crime). He does because he has idealized goal that does not care, or the risk that, "he said.

He explained that, it seems, the accountant has serious self-esteem issues, which believes that exceeds marry a foreigner. "She is a humble person, a populous area, you should have seen a young Delighted with these characteristics to notice her. Above felt his support as a single parent, your environment supports their actions and believes that this unusual behavior is normal, "he said.

HEREDITARY

As for the Dutch, the specialist told him maybe a cold and calculating man according to his tests with Peruvian-is because you need to feel connected to the outside, but not necessarily love.

"Love is a process of construction and motivations. To me this seems more instrumental a 'give and take'. A partnership for the child will have. It's definitely not a conventional love, but keep in mind that there are variants in love "he said.

Leydi abroad have found a personality trait that makes the empathy. According to the specialist, global studies indicate that children of psychopathic individuals are more likely to inherit, this in reference to the girl who will next September.
 

[grace-land]

If I understand it correctly, he managed to win about $7,000 USD and lost it when the Netherlands team lost the soccer game yesterday.
Guess it's helpful to take on-line classes and have Internet access. 

http://trome.pe/actualidad/joran-van-der-sloot-aprovecha-acceso-internet-hacer-apuestas-2015199?href=hflujo2

Google translation

Thursday July 10, 2014 | 8:30
Joran van der Sloot fail internet access for betting

You are out of luck. Joran van der Sloot to 20 managed to win a thousand suns, betting via the Internet by selecting your country, the Netherlands, Brazil in the World 2014. However, yesterday's defeat, his luck is over.

Despite restrictions which should have the Dutch, yesterday remained attentive to every move of the match, as close sources said would have bet much of their earnings for their teams.

"That's football and he knew it. Was half annoyed, imagine we have lost a large sum, "said one of his fellow Hall 7 criminal 'Stones fat' in Ancon.

Joran would be useful that I have Internet access for their law classes way to placing bets online.
 

[texasmom]

Justice for Natalee!

 

[grace-land]

Sorry...please disregard the article that I just posted.  It's from 2013.  When I searched for news about Joran, it said 2 hours ago.  

Edit:  Removed the post (klaasend)

[MuffyBee]

Sorry...please disregard the article that I just posted.  It's from 2013.  When I searched for news about Joran, it said 2 hours ago.  

Edit:  Removed the post (klaasend)

I've had that happen to me too when doing searches, grace-land.    It's good we have Klaas and her magic edit wand.   

While I'm here, I'll just leave a thought for the day:         

[texasmom]

http://www.caribjournal.com/2014/07/15/aruba-prime-minister-on-hunger-strike/

Aruba Prime Minister on Hunger Strike

July 15, 2014 | 2:00 pm

By Alexander Britell

Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman is currently on a hunger strike, protesting alleged interference from the Dutch government in Aruba’s affairs.

Tuesday was the fourth day of Eman’s hunger strike, following a decision by the Dutch government to have Aruba Governor Fredis Rufenjol carry out an independent investigation of Aruba’s budget and the tenability of the island’s finances.

The Dutch government has maintained that it is concerned about the “sustainability of public finances in Aruba,” including a national debt it says has “doubled in a few years.”

“The budget is a country affair, but the Governor can hold a national ordinance if it goes against Kingdom interests,” Dutch Minister of the Interior and Kingdom Relations Ronald Plasterk told Parliament Tuesday.

Plasterk alleged that Eman had made arrangements with the Dutch government about conducting the independent investigation on July 3 but last week expressed that his government did not desire to fulfill the arrangements.

Alleged interference from the Dutch government has long been a sensitive issue for the countries of the Dutch Caribbean.

Aruba seceded from the now-dissolved Netherlands Antilles in 1986, becoming a country of the Kingdom of the Netherlands.

 

Speaking to Dutch media on Monday, Eman said he was “prepared to die.”

[texasmom]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/12/arubas-leader-legislators-launch-hunger-strike/12573981/

Aruba's leader, legislators launch hunger strike
AP 4:36 p.m. EDT July 12, 2014
AP Aruba Hunger Strike

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba's prime minister and several legislators have launched a hunger strike to protest what they say is meddling by the Dutch government in local financial affairs.

The group gathered Friday outside the governor's offices in the capital of Oranjestad, where they spent the night with an ambulance and medical team on standby.

"We stand together with the people to defend our autonomy," parliamentarian Desiree Croes said.

The hunger strike comes after the Dutch government asked Aruba's governor to hold off on signing the 2014 budget into law pending an evaluation of it. The Dutch Caribbean island, which approved the budget two weeks ago, is facing a major deficit and its national debt represents 75 percent of its GDP.

Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman said he considered the Dutch request a direct attack on Aruba's autonomy and said he will continue the hunger strike until the governor signs the budget.

 

[texasmom]

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/aruba-prime-minister-mike-eman-on-hunger-strike/

Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman on hunger strike
Posted by Aruba Daily on July 12th, 2014

ORANJESTAD – Aruba Prime Minister Mike Eman on Friday entered an immediate hunger strike following a decision of the Kingdom Council of Ministers to have the Governor of Aruba carry out an independent investigation of the 2014 budget and the tenability of Aruba’s government finances.

“Aruba is kidnapped, raped and humiliated by the Netherlands which is now only showing its merchant’s face and not the face of a pastor. We cannot build a Kingdom together with a merchant because all is about money. Aruba wants cooperation, not money. We have nothing to sell and we are not for sale,” Eman said in an emotional statement to the people and the media.

Eman said the Netherlands didn’t respect Aruba’s autonomous position in the Kingdom. He warned that he will only end his hunger strike when Aruba Governor Fredis Refunjol has signed Aruba’s 2014 budget. He said his father, grandfather and others had died for the people and that he was willing to do the same if necessary.

“Aruba has handled diplomatically for months, but the limit has now been reached,” said Eman, who has moved to Fort Zoutman, a military fortification in Oranjestad which was built in 1798 by the Dutch army, and the oldest structure on the island. Fort Zoutman is located across the Cabinet of the Governor and currently houses the Historical Museum.

Several hundred persons, including members of Eman’s cabinet and Members of Parliament, joined Eman in a protest walk to Fort Zoutman on Friday. Eman plans to stay at Fort Zoutman, without taking any food, until the Governor signs. “I will never tolerate that our autonomy is taken away from us,” he said.

According to Eman, the decision of the Kingdom Government is illegal and has no legal power because it violates the Charter of the Kingdom, the Regulation of the Governor and Aruba’s Constitution. In his opinion, the Kingdom Government should first have consulted the Council of State. He said the decision also violates the budget right of the Aruba Parliament. “No organ of the Country Aruba will be able to cooperate in the execution of decisions that explicitly violate the Charter,” the Government of Aruba stated in a press release.

Aruba’s financial situation has been a constant source of concern for the Kingdom Government. Aruba’s national debt has doubled over the past four years. The national debt stands at 3.2 billion Aruban florins, close to 80 per cent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP), and the 2014 budget deficit was more than the three per cent that had previously been agreed upon.

Based on a proposal of Dutch Minister of Home Affairs and Kingdom Relations Ronald Plasterk, the Kingdom Government decided on Friday that the Governor would be asked to withhold the approval of the 2014 budget while an independent investigation is carried out. The investigation will focus on the budget, its substantiation and tenability, as well as the effects for the coming years.

“The situation of Aruba’s government finances is permanently alarming. The investigation which now has been decided upon should make clear whether the trajectory advised by the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to achieve tenable government finances has started,” it was stated in a release of the Kingdom Council of Ministers.

The decision is based on articles 15 and 21 of the Governor of Aruba and will be secured in a Royal Decree. A spokesperson of minister Plasterk responded that the Kingdom Council of Ministers was within its full rights.

Friday’s decision replaces the agreement that the Governments of Aruba and the Netherlands made last week Thursday to carry out a joint “independent and voluntary” investigation because the two countries were unable to reach an agreement on the execution of this accord.

“It appeared that the Prime Minister of Aruba Mike Eman had a different vision on the matter than we had agreed upon earlier. So the Kingdom Government decided to put the Governor in charge of the investigation. We were left no other choice because the financial situation is alarming,” Plasterk told reporters as he emerged from Friday’s meeting. “I cannot let this happen under my watch,” said Plasterk. (See related article)

The word “instruction” has not been used for the decision to have Governor Refunjol carry out an investigation, but in essence it does come down to that. Minister Plasterk, who avoided using the term “instruction,” said after Friday’s meeting that the decision of Kingdom Government should be seen as a way to support the Governor in executing his tasks.

 

[texasmom]

I haven't done any close comparisons of the pictures, but I think they could be of the same man.  I know it has been discussed in the past who he is, but I don't recall us ever definitively deciding who he is....

Trudie's husband and Anita's dad?

http://arubadag.com/2005/joran/index.htm

Google translation:

New start for Joran

Today, Tuesday, September 6, 2005, came from the island of Aruba KLM flight 734 in the Netherlands. A flight as there are so many coming from Aruba. This time, however, more noise, because this time Mr. Joran vd Sloot together with his father came along. After one, the family vd Sloot month nightmare, trying to get life. Joran back a little in harness

Members of the press from various Dutch media, including two television crews from SBS 6 and RTL 4, and also a number of photographers, including those from the Telegraph. Stood at Schiphol The Arubadag Website was present a the arrival of Joran committed by a few pictures.

Joran made ​​a somewhat tired but calm impression. His answers to the Dutch press were given quiet. For a moment he stood the Dutch press to talk his way and then continued. The Website Arubadag want Joran strength and hopes that he can find his rest. Here That the truth must ultimately prevail.







https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152322811646412&set=a.467154626411.267317.710021411&type=1

Robert Hugen changed his profile picture.
March 7



Robert Hugen
March 6

Trudie Hugen Wat leuk Robert., zal Opa mooi vinden !
How nice Robert., Grandpa will like it! (Translated by Bing)
March 6 at 5:33pm · 1

Hans Hugen Goud van oud, kan mij dat zeker nog herinneren, vakantie Spanje
Gold of old, can give me that certainly still remember, Holiday Spain (Translated by Bing)
March 7 at 9:27am · 1

Trudie Hugen Opa vind deze foto heel leuk! Xx
Grandpa find this picture very nice! Xx (Translated by Bing)
March 7 at 2:01pm

Trudie Hugen Klopt dit was in Spanje,
Is this correct was in Spain, (Translated by Bing)
March 7 at 2:02pm


https://www.facebook.com/ben.hugen
(profile pic is Trudie)


https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1473221319562660&id=1472604206291038

Ben Hugen
Hallo Dani ,Bedankt voor de uitnodiging zou heel graag eens een optreden van je willen zien ,maar jammer het zit er niet in !
Heel veel liefs Van Tio Ben en Tia Trudie voor allemaal !
Google translation
Hi Dani, Thanks very much would like to see a performance by you for the invitation but unfortunately it is not in there!
Lots of love from Ben Tio and Tia Trudie for all!
April 6 at 5:09am

(They didn't translate but I think Tio=Uncle and Tia=Aunt)

[klaasend]

https://www.facebook.com/ben.hugen/about

https://www.facebook.com/trudie.hugen

I'm nearly 100% certain that Trudie is Anita's mom and Ben is the dad.

[Keepthefaith]

Tennis show comparison to shoe inside cage.

Those who were a part of that nefarious debacle will have to live with themselves. The Americans, more so then the dirty rubans! kyle, kyle, kyle  Only you, and you alone, have to fall asleep with those thoughts in your head, kyle! Those quiet moments after you lay your head on the pillow, just before you fall asleep. Yeah, you know, kyle. Sucks to be you 

On another note: I will have attained my degree from the University of Washington, by the end of December!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND STEPHANY FLORES

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

[texasmom]

https://www.facebook.com/ben.hugen/about

https://www.facebook.com/trudie.hugen

I'm nearly 100% certain that Trudie is Anita's mom and Ben is the dad.

Thanks Klaas, I think so too.   

[klaasend]

Congrats KTF!