Natalee missing new theory

[Kim]

Blonde, bombshell, missing after partying into the wee hours of the morning.  Video showing her at bar, no video at hotel.  Three native young men, not boys hanging out with her and last seen with her.  Alibi that they were able to drive her from bar to beach to hotel from 1:30 am to 2am.  Their stories are a bit out there.  If they did not kill her then I think they sold her. There is a lot of that going on.  Something bad has happened to her else she would have surfased by now, she lives too spoiled of a life with her family to stay away intentially or of sound mind. I am curious as to why they would drive out to the beach with a girl like that for that short amount of time?

 She was probably alcoholed, and drugged and handed off to a boat that was waiting for them near the light house.  Their stories are then true, they did not kill her, they did not damage the goods they were selling so they did not rape her or hurt her themselves, they just sold her to someone who will.  They just drove out to the beach with her.  

Check their wallets and their houses for unusual amount of cash.  Also, it will probably be difficult because there are too many out there but check the porn sites......  Given the profile of the search is so high they will probably use her real quick and dump her somewhere.    My prayers are out for that family and girl.  My sister-in-law was missing a year before they found her at the bottom of a lake in the backseat of her car.  Back then she was from a poor family and so the search for her and for the criminal went about nowhere.

[Michael22]

hello kim

where are you from.?
I'm sorry to hear about your sister-in-law

I think todays events of the search of the 'new' area was only for the media because the case had been hushed for a while and the aruban government was feeling the pressure so it looked like it was staged

you theory is spectacular you may have hit it on the head

it makes sense.. I was thinking it would have been very difficult for them to have left the island

I didn't think that they could have called a boat..

this leaves me with 2 possible outcomes

she was taken away (sold) kinda odd my mom's theory too.. at first I thought it was absurd but the more I learned about their lifestyle and the venesulian link it's horrifying

or she was dumped out in the ocean after unspeakable acts

[concerned mom]

Kim, are you from Colorado?  Your sister-in-law's murder sounds like a case out of the Denve area.

As to the possibility of Natalee being sold, that was my first reaction upon hearing the news of a girl missing from Aruba.

[wwizard]

NH wuz waaaaaay 2 fine 2 kill..think about it...she wuz wurth a fortune...these 3 guys ain'y even stupid...the dutchboy sets em up and the brothers take em 2 the boat. sad but true.........they ain't gonns find her cause she ain't there..

[brooke321]

what is their background and venezualan link - I missed that part.

[da wench]

I WISH she had just been sold as a slave.  At least then she would most likely be alive and there might be a chance to find her.  Unfortunately, I think these three bastards gave her the date rape drug and she died from an overdose, slip & fall or perhaps aspirating on her own vomit.  I think her death was an accident but they have thrown her to the sharks or buried her because once she is found, they are going to find the DNA of all three of those boys in her.  They knew they were facing charges of rape at the very least.  Now I just hope her body is found so that her family can put an end to this and so that forensics can put those guys in jail for the rest of their lives.

[Compananzi]

However unlikely ..

Joran, Satish and Deepak leaves CnC with Natalee, after or shortly having a shoveling match with some other members of the school.  Upset they take Natalee to see the Light Tower  (you'd think they would have seen this site already), then either they drop Natalee and Joran near the Marriott.  After some conversation, Natalee heads back the hotel, and Joran walks back home.  Natalee enters undetected via another entrance to the hotel, and meets up with the person whose shoveling match occured in CnC.  Somehow he tricks her to her room or his (if this was a guy) and foul play occured.  The person uses his luggage to hid the body, get thru all the socalled security and at home in Alabama disposes of the body.

[Candide]

Joran had many websites before they were taken down by him/his family/authorities etc.  I saw these websites and was curious about the number of female "friends" he had and checked out many of their websites.  I was intrigued by the photographs of the girls because of the sexual nature of them.  I had a "feeling" these girls were more experienced than the average 18 to 20 year olds.  Pornography is a huge industry and the internet provides an even larger market place than ever before.  

My theory is Joran and his friends have been involved with making films, taking photos etc. and selling them.  They would naturally be on the look-out for an attractive blond virginal type to include in their portfolio.  They carouse the bars and casinos where the young Americans hang out and select a victim.  Natalee fits the bill and Joran is certainly the most logical one of the group to attract someone like her.  They wait until the last night she's on the island, take her out, give her a few drinks and near the end of the evening, slip her the date rape drug.  They take her to Joran's apartment and film the "rape."  Natalee becomes sick and they panic and suffocate/choke her to death.  

Adults are involved in this scenario because of the lucrative business of porn.  They are helped in disposing of the body and I think it's going to be extremely difficult to find.  Joran's father may know about the porn.  Like gambling and drinking, the Dutch attitude towards pornography is much more lenient than the average American.  

Here is a couple of interesting websites I can remember as friends of Joran from his Tickle site.

http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?id=GkdcpXz7AnU66Atv
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=Hlv62HLPg6yuae8M
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=UlarV3dXBBOy95DB

Check out Marten's site - the last one listed.  He's a Dutchman in Thailand!  From what I've heard, Thailand's sex industry makes Aruba look like Disneyworld.

I think motive is very important in this crime and I don't think Joran was interested in a wife quite yet.  I think he would select someone like Natalee for a suitable spouse later on in life but at the tender age of 17, I think he was looking to get laid and why bother with a serious girl like Natalee when there are obviously willing partners everywhere around him.  I don't mean that Natalee was out looking a husband but I just don't think she would give the appearance of being a fun one-night stand.  It doesn't make sense that he would rape her unless he had a motive to do so like making a film/taking pictures or just a dislike for naive American girls.

[wwizard]

Kim, u understand my argument, so does friend of monkeys

aruba has jerked my chain 4 the last time.......NH is probably alive (if
she's minding).....but she ain't n or around aruba....what seems like random events is really a well oiled machine and it is ABOVE THE LAW...this is white slavery territory we're n....no "rules".....I no the game now....and we ALL need to deal w/ it.......if there was no internet I wood no only watt the mainstream media tells me (laughable) and b OK......but I no more now....

the scam is this....the dutchguy is the setup man. he takes the "mark" and
plays kissy kissy wink wink all week and plants the "trust me" hook.....he
sets em up and the brothers carry em 2 the boat......after they seperate the "mark" from "the herd" and away we go......no body ever found means no murder conviction.....they do their "time" and are released........what a gig......foolproof......I feel for the people caught up in this twisted vortex....the ONLY way her parents will ever see her is 2 pay 2 have her back and it's very slim odds because that wood b an admission of guilt by the pirates of the caribbean.....u just don't kill women like NH....unless u can throw away $20,000, $50,000, $100,000.........way 2 valuable......the abducted women cooperate or die....real simple....what wood u do in their place? b honest
w/ yourself......I'm through checking EVERY headline cause it don't
matter.....I now no how it's gonna play now.....the "student"
brothers......."students" of watt and tell me about their mainland
connections.....the 3 will b released.....b honest agin.......no
evidence.....if this disturbs u, I apologize, it's just the reality of the
situation......hug ur fam, kids, friends 2 day because ur free and not in a nightmare like this......watt did NH ever do to warrant her punishment....the trio is a lot more scared of their BOSS than the law......all the king horses and all the kings men......be well

NH has been SOLD. Don't shoot the messenger. The truth is ugly and it hurts. We must deal with it though as adults and stop pretending it doesn't happen. There's BIG money playing the game. Here's an example:
You buy a blonde women (popular where everyone is dark headed) for $100,000. She could easily make you $50,000 a year for say 20 years. After 2 years she's paid for and pure profit. $50,000 x 20 years = $1,000,000. We lead sheltered lives in the US. Painfull to think about but it happens ALL the time. She's NOT on Aruba, look all you want. This is the ONLY scenario that fits all the "evidence". She was stalked from day 1, nothing accidental about it. Time will bear this out.

[jenz]

I honestly don't think Joran and his buddies sold Natalee to anyone. I think they more than likely slipped her the date rape drug and she quite possibly died of an overdose from it. If you're given too much you can die from it. I think they then panicked and buried her somewhere on the Island, or somewhere where they don't think she'll ever be found. That would go with their attitude of saying nothing. They know that if they keep quiet long enough and she doesn't surface that they won't be able to charge them and keep them in jail. I believe these boys will go free, and this will be an unsolved case. I hope I'm wrong though.

[Thumper56]

Something is really wrong in Aruba.Maybe she wasn't sold into the sex trade.Maybe she was a pay-off.I've heard so many rumors about these boys trafficking ecstasy etc....Hmmmm...Maybe they got in way over their heads in debt.By the way,has anyone heard if any shanty crackhouse raids have been going on?I keep wondering if any of the Aruban police are throttling any heads(drug addicts)....She is either not on that island or she is buried deep in the sand.I would imagine a pretty deep hole could be dug quickly....I just hope one way or another,we find out what happened to Natalee....

[Such_Sad_News]

However unlikely .. Somehow he tricks her to her room or his (if this was a guy) and foul play occured.  The person uses his luggage to hid the body, get thru all the socalled security and at home in Alabama disposes of the body.

You are a full-on, mouth breathing, moron. Are you trying to imply Natalee went back to the hotel, was murdered by a classmate, potentially a female classmate, dismembered and smuggled back to AL in a (or more) suitcase(s) via commercial airlines, then disposed of in the USA?

Did you ride the bus with the flavored windows as a youth?  

-HJK

[Marson]

Haven't those Keystone Cops thought of giving the suspects lie detector tests?

[sailorsmoon]

Oh my God!  I went to that site and I seriously wanted to vomit.  He is such a pig and worse are the men that use these girls.  It is just awful.  I don't think N. Holloway is in any ring, but I feel for those girls.  Unbelievable evil.

[SteveDinMD]

I’ve been thinking lately about the prospects for Natalee still being alive. As I see it, there are three scenarios under which this could be the case. First, she could be lost, an amnesiac, unable to locate her family. Second, she could have willingly run off. Third, she could be held against her will. Below I discuss each possibilty and its relative likelihood.

I consider it to be very likely that Natalee is lost in Aruba, suffering from amnesia, or the like. All the recent publicity has made Natalee the most recognizable person in Aruba. If she were to have been afflicted while in Aruba (and there is no indication that she left the island) and has been free to move about ever since, I can’t imagine that she wouldn’t have been rescued by someone long ago.

That Natalee would willingly run away appears unlikely given her age and circumstances. A recent high school graduate looking forward to university in the Fall, her future appeared bright, not something one would ordinarily run away from. It is true that teenagers, especially girls, run away all the time, but this phenomenon is most typically associated with seriously dysfunctional family situations — the exact opposite of what has been reported about the Twitty’s. Even if Natalee wanted to escape her family, all she’d have to do would be to wait a couple of months and go off to school. There would be no need for her to run away NOW. Moreover, if she DID run away, where could she go without her passort? What is she wearing? All her luggage and clothing were recovered at the HI. What is she living on? Whatever money she brought with her on vacation would quickly be depleted. If Natalee were over 30, with few prospects, debt-ridden, sought by police, or facing personal crises, I’d be more inclined to consider the possibility, but not given the factual circumstances as I understand them.

This leaves one remaining possiblity to examine: that Natalee is alive and being held against her will. There are two categories under which any any possible scenario along these lines could fall. First, she could, as many have already speculated, be held for purposes of international prostitution. Second, she could be held for “private pleasure.” Each category, however, appears unlikely for the reasons discussed below.

I tend to discount the possiblity that Natalee is being held for forced prostitution because her situation is at such variance with the profile for such victims. Human traffickers generally restrict their activities to jurisdictions under the control of weak or corrupt governments, such as one finds in East Asia, Latin America, and Eastern Europe. The principle sources for white women in the international sex trade are generally restricted to: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the former Yugoslavia, and to a lesser extent Romania, Slovakia, the Czech Rebublic, Poland, and the Baltic states. Western women are almost never targeted. Human traffickers are also very selective in their choice of victims. They prefer women in financial straits, and those with little or no family to speak of. Such people are seldom missed. Even if they are, there will likely be few or no resources devoted to their recovery. Finally, professional traffickers operate far differently from what we’ve seen in this case. They employ agents (modelling & employment agencies, etc.) in the victims’ native countries to lure them far from home and into the clutches of the prostitution ring. This is much cleaner than simply snatching women off the street. It also affords the traffickers an added advantage by allowing them to closely examine each prospective victim’s personal information prior to abducting her.

Even if, against all odds, Natalee had fallen into forced prostitution, her prospects for survival would be slim because she isn’t “marketable” at this point. The business model for forced prostitution assumes that Natalee’s captors would derive a revenue stream from selling her body nightly to all comers. This can’t work. Thanks to the high-profile media coverage and the Internet, Natalee is now one of the most recognizable people in the world. It wouldn’t take long before some “John” would recognize her and alert the authorities in the hope of earning the $55,000.00 reward. Realizing this, I’d have to assume that professional traffickers would have killed Natalee some time ago and carefully disposed of her body in order to escape exposure and prosecution.

The remaining possiblity is that Natalee is being held for “private pleasure.” Again, I can think of but three possible scenarios to explore. First, I doubt that she is being held in what amounts to “concubinage.” There are few in this world (e.g. Sultan of Brunei & Saudi Royal Family) who can afford to indulge in such things, and they generally don’t do business with teenaged punks who snatch women off the street. They operate much more like professional human traffickers, employing worldwide agents to seek out women. A second possiblity is that Natalee is being held by a gang such as the Bloods, Crips, or biker gangs in the US. In such case, she could expect to be “passed around” the club for a while before being released or killed. I don’t know if Aruba has the equivalent of such gangs (I doubt it), but if it did, I’d have to believe that all the publicity would have induced them to kill Natalee by now. The last scenario I can think of is that Natalee is being held by some psychopath. There have been such cases in the US, though they’ve been rare. There was a case some years ago, in Philadelphia as I recall, where a psycho adbucted and held women in a pit dug beneath his basement floor. He kept the women alive for some weeks or months, during which time he continuously abused them sexually. Ultimately, however, the women were killed. If Natalee were being held in Aruba by a psychopath, she would probably have to be his first victim. I doubt that Aruba has had a large enough incidence of missing persons to account for the activities of such a person. Again, this scenario is very, very unlikely.

For all the reasons discussed above, I believe the probability that Natalee is alive is quite low. It’s certainly less than 5%, and probably less than 1%. I hope I’ve overlooked something, or that Natalee somehow beats the odds, but I’m not terribly optimistic right now.

[blfit]

I think that the whole slavery thing goes on much more than people realize.  There is really no ransom needed in this case....they will "rent" her out.  I am wishing that this is what has happened and that they will find her alive.  It seems really strange that there isn't a trace.  How does one or a few kill someone without ANY evidence?  Obviously we aren't getting all of the information either so there could be evidence out there we know nothing about.  Hopefully Natalee will be safe...

[SteveDinMD]

blfit, I ask you, how can anyone "rent" Natalee out?  With all the publicity, she has to be one of the most recognizable people in the world right now.  I don't think a professional sex ring would take the risk.  If she were to be "discovered" in a brothel somewhere, the entire ring would risk being exposed and prosecuted.