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« Reply #120 on: January 30, 2013, 11:33:37 AM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/29/ddhln.01.html
DR. DREW

Jodi`s Men Testify

Aired January 29, 2013 - 21:00   ET


THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST (voice-over): Explosive testimony as sparks fly in front of a packed courtroom --

GUS SEARCY, WITNESS: I understand English pretty well.

PINSKY: Jodi Arias` defense has taken center stage. Is she mirroring her lawyer`s every move and expression? I`ll break that down for you.

Plus, who is this guy?

SEARCY: I`m what`s called a $100,000 ringer here.

PINSKY: And later, more allegations of child sex abuse in the same school district that was the center of last year`s scandal. Who is protecting our children? We`re looking for solutions.

Let`s get started.

(MUSIC)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Thank you for joining us.

Joining me tonight, my co-host Laura Baron.

We`re going to have an exclusive tonight with one of Jodi`s ex- boyfriends. But, first, another all-star panel, defense attorney Mike Eiglarsh, he`s at speaktomark.com; Cheryl Arutt, psychologist; Casey Jordan, criminal profiler and consultant on Discovery ID "Scorned."

And I almost got away with this. But, first, I almost got away with this -- there were fireworks in the courtroom between defense witness Gus Searcy -- who is this guy? -- and the prosecutor. Take a look at what he did.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: Those are the people that have to ring, those are the people that go to the executive ball, right?

SEARCY: It`s more like a circle if you want to get into geometry.

MARTINEZ: Sir, that`s not my question to you, is it? I`m asking who is making the money, aren`t I?

You don`t know where you met her the second time. That`s what you`re telling me, right?

SEARCY: I know approximately.

MARTINEZ: Approximately means you don`t know, right?

SEARCY: If that makes you happy.

MARTINEZ: Nothing here is to make the prosecutor happy, do you understand that? Why don`t you want to answer my question?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Yes, I think it`s pretty obvious that guy doesn`t make anybody happy, all that sanctimonious.

We`re going straight to "In Session" correspondent Beth Karas.

Beth, who is this guy? Why do they put him up there for the defense and then, what else happened in court today?

BETH KARAS, "IN SESSION" CORRESPONDENT: Well, this guy, Gus Searcy, who testified on a hearing yesterday, was on the stand twice today, once in front of the jury, and once again in the hearing outside the presence of the jury.

He works for this company that the victim Travis Alexander worked at, even Jodi Arias worked at also. So, he knew them and he had some contact with Jodi Arias not that long before she killed Travis Alexander.

So, he was called to show she was always professional. She was -- you know, she wasn`t dressed provocatively whenever he saw her. And also, you know, it was like she was trying to get away from him and Travis was calling her and upsetting her. So maybe Travis was the one who was obsessed and not Jodi Arias. That`s kind of where they were going with him.

He didn`t want to answer even the simplest questions that Juan Martinez was asking him on cross examination, as you just showed. So, he`s just antagonistic. The prosecution never called him when he offered his assistance to help the prosecution not long after the death of Travis Alexander.

For whatever reason, Juan Martinez said, I don`t want to get involved with this guy. I don`t need this guy as a witness.

And now, Gus Searcy is making him pay for it, one could argue.

PINSKY: What else happened in court today besides the Gus affair?

KARAS: We saw a former boyfriend of Jodi Arias, a guy who is 20 years older than she is. Nice guy, they bought a house together, they were together for four years before she met Travis Alexander. Darryl Brewer said they were in love.

But then in the fall of 2006, she started to change. That`s when she got involved with Pre-Paid Legal, and she started getting involved in the Mormon faith. And missionaries were coming to the house, and she was laying down different rules at the house. No more swearing, no more sex between the two of them.

And the prosecution did get a little bit out of him, because he`s the guy who actually helped her -- gave her some gas cans for her road trip that ultimately ended in the death of Travis Alexander. A little evidence of premeditation for the state came in.

But on redirect, the defense attorney stood up and said, when you had sex with her, did you ever ask her to wear pigtails? Did you ask her to wear a little schoolgirl outfit or boys` underwear? Did you ejaculate on her face? Did you call her a whore, a slut, and a three-hole wonder? And, of course, he said no to all these things.

PINSKY: Wow!

KARAS: And now, the jury understands that apparently Travis Alexander did all those things.

PINSKY: Wow!

OK. Now, hang on there. That sort of -- Laura, are you surprised about all that? I`m sort of finding that --

LAURA BARON, CO-HOST: It`s so extensive. I mean, first of all, they`re trying to make Travis into this ridiculously over-sexualized guy. But yet at the same point, they`re saying she wore the pigtails, she liked getting called a whore, and she bent over for this. I do not get this woman.

PINSKY: Casey Jordan, I`m going out to you. You`re a profiler. Can we put this all together?

As I kind of put this together, she was sort of a love-addicted stalker who was hypersexual and got in with a guy who was hypersexual, a trauma survivor, and they found each other. And then she became violent.

Is that about the sketch?

CASEY JORDAN, PH.D., CRIMINOLOGIST AND BEHAVIORAL ANALYST: Well, that`s what the defense is going for here. And they`re using a very classic technique. If you can`t prove anything definitively, use the power of suggestion. Sneak it in there.

We certainly saw that happen in the Casey Anthony case, and I think they`re using that as their playbook. Let`s get in there and talk about pigtails, because, of course, we know that when the last photograph is taken of Jodi Arias just before Travis was murdered was her naked with her little pigtails.

And what they`re trying to do, obviously, is implant the idea that she was just the brainwashed sex toy of Travis Alexander, unable to say no to him until that moment when she snapped.

And again, the only other person who knows what happened that day is dead. So, they are using a very clever defense technique, which is just the power of suggestion, hoping it will leave an indelible mark on those jurors` memories when the time comes to deliberate.

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Drew --

PINSKY: Now, Mark, I know you always say you got to take the gloves off and get as much of a defense as any -- I mean, just do whatever you got to do to defend a patient. Is this a strategy you`d be likely to follow, those kind of language you use in court?

EIGLARSH: Well, let me just say this, when I`m defending a client, I will do whatever it takes to get the best possible outcome. It`s not like on TV, everybody expects a home run witness every time someone comes up there. The defense can only work with what they`ve got.

Obviously, there`s nobody who`s going to say that Travis beat the heck out of her, was violent with her and thus she had to kill him in self- defense. That`s not going to happen. We`re not going to see any of those witnesses.

So, little by little, they`re putting witnesses on that offer something. Maybe they humanize her. Maybe that will just carry over into the penalty phase. They`re doing little by little.

But what I would do is everything I possibly can, and if I`m the prosecutor, I stay cool. Don`t lose it when you have a witness who offers just a little bit for the defense like Searcy did. He`s losing it.

It only takes one juror to get turned off by the prosecutor`s antics. You don`t want that.

PINSKY: Cheryl, I`m going to let you ring in here. Am I the only one that`s shocked by all this? Not that I have such delicate sensibilities. But it doesn`t sound like courtroom fare to me, Cheryl. Help me out.

CHERYL ARUTT, PSY.D., PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Drew, part of it may be the language. But don`t you think, Drew, that the notion she seems to be kind of a chameleon who transforms herself depending on the situation might come into play here.

I mean, if you think about it, she has -- certainly, she`s used sex quite a bit to try to get to people and manipulate people. Anybody who has seen the interrogation tape can see she`s doing these yoga poses and stretching and doing all these things to flirt with the interrogator, even. I think that transforming herself into whatever her lover wanted her to be was part of this whole thing. And poor Travis can`t defend himself.

But, you know, don`t you think there is something to her kind of remaking herself in the image of the person she`s with?

PINSKY: Cheryl, I absolutely agree, and we`re going to get into that in great detail coming up.

But the jury is in, as far as my panel goes. I`m the prude here. I`m a little disturbed by the language, of course. Whatever. I guess I`m going to spend time in the court these days. Things have changed since the last time I was in a courtroom.

Thank you to Beth. I appreciate that report.

So, as Cheryl said, we`re going to get into this mirroring and this chameleon-like quality. Look at her with her attorney. There`s a million different looks, and yet when you look at her with her attorney side by side, I`m going to have you notice the affect, the facial expressions, even the clothing. We`ll look at that.

And later, this gentleman dated Jodi Arias and testified in court today. He is our exclusive guest, Abe Abdelhadi. He will be back with us to fill us in exclusively.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: Back with my co-host for the week, Laura Baron.

We`re looking in a moment at a video of Jodi at the defense table next to her attorney. There they are. Two peas in a pod, as it were. Strangely enough, she doesn`t look like the guy in the green shirt.

She appears to sort of adapt her affect. I mean, it`s -- if you really look at her in motion, it becomes rather extraordinary.

And, Cheryl Arutt, you brought that up. What did you see?

ARUTT: I saw somebody who is transforming herself into whoever is the most important person in her life at the moment. She seems to be so dependent upon her defense attorney right now. I wonder what you make of it, Drew. What do you think this is about?

PINSKY: Well, I`ve been -- I`ve been saying from the beginning that one of the key sort of moments in this, and, Laura, I`m going to ask you to ring in on this, too -- is this is the part that astonishes you about her behavior. As we know and heard, she has sex with the guy, takes pictures of him and then flips into this murderous, maniacal rage, and that`s really hard thing for a normal person to get their head around, what flips somebody into that.

I`ve always wondered if there`s some sort of dissociative quality to her where she is so empty inside that she takes on the characteristics of, as you say, Cheryl, whoever the most important person around her, and if it becomes so sort of -- so much of a bodily-based experience, she starts moving, and looking and facial expressions just like the person she is preoccupied with.

And you can only imagine if she -- go ahead.

ARUTT: If we take a look at her outfit, I mean -- we know this from Sarah Palin. This isn`t the first time a woman has thrown on glasses to look smarter than she actually is, you know? I mean, I don`t -- is it the lawyer that`s dressing her, or is she in her jail cell getting the Kardashian collection out?

PINSKY: Well, that`s right, and now we hear she -- Nancy has been reporting she has a girlfriend in jail, too.

Mark, if you were a defense attorney, would you tell someone to dress a certain way and it just so happened to look the way one of your team looked?
EIGLARSH: Yes, because I told you earlier, I would do whatever it takes. I mean, this is theater for the jurors. As much as that makes everybody nauseous, her life is on the line. And if wearing a pair of glasses makes her look a certain way or her dress is arguably less consistent with the heinous, cruel and atrocious acts they`re accusing her of, then so be it.

But you know what? It`s so little. It`s not going to make a difference. With a bloody hand print on the wall, with all her change in testimony and her stories, the dress is really not going to somehow change these jurors` view of what this case is about.

PINSKY: And, Casey, you get where I`m going with this?

JORDAN: I absolutely do.

PINSKY: You agree me with me, Cheryl?

JORDAN: Yes, I absolutely do.

PINSKY: Yes, go ahead. Tell us.

JORDAN: She was always addressed as a chameleon by her friends, eager to please and always trying to gain people`s trust by being exactly what they wanted. And what`s interesting is, it`s almost like a single white female phenomenon. The whole idea that she`s almost merging with her attorney.

It would send a message to the jury not only that she`s this prim and proper and now not even nun-like or librarian-like, but now, lawyer-like. It makes her look smarter than she is to have the glasses on.

But I want to know from you, Drew, is whether you think, on a scale of one to 10, how conscious is this transition? Is it completely subconscious or does she plan it? How manipulative do you think she is? Is she doing it on purpose?

PINSKY: My bet, it`s completely subconscious. Again, thinking in terms of how she is overtaken by a rage, murderous rage, seemingly, and there is no evidence of psychopathy lifelong. You more hear of things about her being empty, as you said chameleon-like. That sort of thing.

It`s a difficult thing to get your head around, isn`t it, how someone could behave like this, how someone could be so emptied and need to sort of become like the person they`re around, but that seems to be what`s going on here.

Casey, let me ask you a follow-up. We`re hearing that she has a girlfriend behind bars. That`s what Nancy is reporting.
ORDAN: Yes.

PINSKY: You know, she`s a love addict/stalker with hypersexuality. That kind of fits for me. She probably does have another lady behind bars, doesn`t she?

JORDAN: Drew, I hate to burst your bubble, but women hook up behind bars all the time from pure loneliness. I won`t even shook it up to hypersexuality. They create entire families in women`s prison. It doesn`t mean they become lesbian. Usually when they get out, if they get out, they go back to relationships with men.

But while they`re in prison, for almost emotional self-preservation, if somebody shows them affection and attention, they will form an emotional and often sexual bond with another female while in prison. And to be honest, the prisons don`t really -- I mean, there are rules against sexual contact, but they`re not too worried about it. If anything, it makes the women very often happier and more easy to deal with, less combative with the correctional guards. So they very often turn the other way.

PINSKY: Once again, I`m discovering that my panel apparently lives in a world that I didn`t know I lived in where this is just the way it goes in jail. Who doesn`t? And, by the way, in courtrooms, we talk about explicit sexual material all the time.

Anyway, next, we`ll hear from one of Jodi`s ex-boyfriends exclusively.

And later, two separate child sex -- there`s Abe right there -- two child sex abuse scandals have rocked the same school district. We`re going to look at what`s happening to that community, talking to a reporter who has talked to the people on the ground there. Some inside look at what`s going on where these kids live.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARTINEZ: She would take pictures of you sleeping a couple times, right?

DARRYL BREWER, JODI`S EX: I believe there were a couple shots like that, yes.

MARTINEZ: She also took nudes of you at some point, right?

BREWER: There was one incident in the shower, she took a picture, yes. One.

MARTINEZ: So she took a picture of you while you were in the shower, correct?

BREWER: Correct.

MARTINEZ: You didn`t ask her to take that picture, she took that picture of you, right?

BREWER: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: You guys see what I saw there? She develops sometimes, Laura, a sort of trance-like state where she stops blinking and she`s looking at -- whoever is on the stand. I feel like that`s where I see that kind of disassociation going on there.

Again, we`re talking about today`s developments --

BARON: I thought more seductive.

PINSKY: Well --

BARON: It was, it was like whoever was on that stand she was ready to gnaw on. Her ex-boyfriend was on the stand. It looked like she was ready to eat him.

PINSKY: Fair enough. As a woman, as you always say, maybe you see things the male brain can`t quite pick up. I`m still trying to deal with Casey`s revelations about what goes on with women`s jails these days. I thought that was in `70s movies of the weeks.

BARON: The woman on woman thing?

PINSKY: Yes.

BARON: Did that freak you out, the woman on woman thing?

BARON: No, I thought that was all `70s movie of the week stuff, that`s all I`m saying. Now --

(CROSSTALK)

BARON: What woman wants to be with another woman that just slashed a dude? Like, we like sensitive types.

PINSKY: Well, maybe you get pretty desperate. As Casey was saying, desperate and lonely in jail.

Now, we were watching a video of Jodi`s ex-boyfriend. And I think there was another video which I think we`re going to see later of another ex-boyfriend, somebody she dated, who joins us now exclusively, Abe Abdelhadi.

Abe, you actually testified by phone, right, because of having to appear on this court -- on this program?

ABE ABDELHADI, DATED JODI: Actually, it was more in relation to Gus Searcy.

And just one clarification, Drew, I wasn`t her ex-boyfriend. We dated a little bit and hung out, but we didn`t get to that point, just for clarity`s sake.

PINSKY: Yes. Right.

No, no, we remember -- I think your story about the magic thong or something is what caught everyone`s attention, right?

ABDELHADI: I found that out later. I have to watch what I say, yes.

PINSKY: OK. So tell us about court. What happened?

ABDELHADI: Well, I was asked to testify because Mr. Searcy was going to testify, and today was interesting only in that I was expecting questions on what I knew and when I knew it.

The defense seemed today to be more interested in impugning the prosecution, and frankly, I don`t really understand what the questioning was about. We talked for maybe 10 minutes, and it was more about when the prosecution asked me things or when I talked to them. It had nothing to do with what I thought or when I talked to Jodi or anything of that nature.

And so, it was a real hard job on the defense to maybe win a day with an acquittal or something. It just seemed really desperate. I got really angry with the testimony, and for that I`m a little regretful. But I didn`t call him any names, so that`s good on me, I guess.

PINSKY: Let`s go to a call. It`s Trish in Massachusetts. Trish, are you out there? Trish?

TRISH, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Yes.

PINSKY: What do you have for us, Trish? You had a comment?

TRISH: Oh, hi, Dr. Drew. Yes, I`m a little outraged after watching all this case on different shows that no one brings up the fact that women are batterers, too? It`s an equal employer, if you will. It takes all your emotional and physical energy? That`s all you think about.

PINSKY: Trish, I have to interrupt you. I, unfortunately, cannot make out anything you`re saying, so let`s put you back on hold.

Let`s go to Kathy in Texas. Kathy?

KATHY, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Hi.

PINSKY: Hi, Kathy.

KATHY: Big fan, Dr. Drew. Hi.

PINSKY: Thanks, Kathy. What`s going on?

KATHY: Can you hear me?

PINSKY: I do. There`s a little -- lots of delays tonight between the satellite and the phone, so I ask everyone to bear with me both on the lines and watching. You go, Kathy. You tell us what you want.

KATHY: OK. I`m a big fan, Dr. Drew. I just believe that this woman is guilty and I think with the glasses and the colored hair, it`s all put on. Of course, she has -- is seeing somebody in jail. They`re reaching.

BARON: I agree, Kathy. I agree. And I think women have the best pulse on other women who are trying to B.S. their way through something. I mean, men might not get it because we`ve got a couple other assets that we`re kind of distracting about, but a woman to a woman, you know when it`s going down. I agree.

EIGLARSH: Drew, can I jump in?

PINSKY: Yes, Mark, go.

EIGLARSH: I`ve got to ask Abe something. He left out something and we want to know. He said he was frustrated that he wasn`t asked about certain things. I`m dying to know what is it that he knows, what is it he wishes they asked him about?

ABDELHADI: Well, specifically they could have asked me questions about the next day when I got back from the trip and I had called her -- our conversation pertaining to that. About two weeks later --

EIGLARSH: What? Tell us.

ABDELHADI: Well, frankly, I had called her grilling her. I had a feeling she did it as soon as I got the text, and when we got back from the vacation. And so, I called her the next day.

EIGLARSH: What led you to believe that? What led you to conclude that?

ABDELHADI: Because the previous year, year and a half, we had been talking on the phone, she had made comments of, I don`t know what I`ll do if I can`t have him, he`d be such a great father. You know, if I can`t have him -- that kind of thing is what would come up when we would talk in expressing her frustration with Travis.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Mr. Counselor, I have to interrupt the cross examination for a brief recess. Please approach the bench.

EIGLARSH: This is good stuff, Drew.

PINSKY: And we`ll be right back with more. I`m going to let you loose on him in a second. I`ll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said the interview that I watched. What interview are you referring to?

ABDELHADI: The one that you had made mentioned of when I was on the phone waiting, the headline or the Dr. drew show that I had participated in.

I made a little reach to find out, candidly speaking, if she was wearing thong panties or not. So, you know, we all have our peccadilloes. And so, when I realized that she was, I made a little joke and said, this isn`t magic underwear. And she said, but there`s magic in them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: And I`m back with my co-host, Laura Baron. And that, of course, was Abe Abdelhadi testifying by phone today. And Abe was back with us exclusively tonight. And Abe, we do appreciate you joining us and for, you know, mentioning that you`re (ph) on this program.

Now, Mark, before the break, you were sort of breaking Abe down, doing little cross examination. What did you want to ask?

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Well, it`s extraordinary. Abe opined that she was guilty, and he said it was based upon things that she had said to him in telephone calls. He told us some of those things. What else did she say and what else would you have testified to had that been brought out?

ABDELHADI: Well, first of all, my only reason for existing in this entire matter is what I knew and when I knew it. We had a date, we hung out a little bit. She lied about when she became a Mormon. She told me she was dabbling in it when, in fact, she was baptized in that faith two months prior. When she called me a couple days later --


(CROSSTALK)

ABDELHADI: Hang on, hang on. Well, I`ll tell you. If you want me to treat you like the defense attorney today, great, but hear me out for a second.

EIGLARSH: Go ahead.

ABDELHADI: OK. Yes. Well, my point is this. So, two days later when she told me she was getting back together with her boyfriend, the only guy I knew of was the gentleman she lived with in Palm Springs for four years. I didn`t even know she dated Travis. So then, she felt like she was cheating on him, I thought that was weird (ph).

They weren`t even together at that point. And then, over the subsequent year and a half or so before the murder and the arrest, we would be on the phone together maybe every six weeks or couple of months, initially catching up on the business, but then, it would always devolve into a conversation about Travis and how it was or was not going.

And the feeling I got off of that apparently was interesting, because I had nothing to do with their social life. I just was getting this feeling that things weren`t completely right --

EIGLARSH: Did she ever say that he was violent to her in any respect?

ABDELHADI: No. She never brought that up. And he didn`t have a reputation for that. We`re a small business. It`s like a company. It`s - - you know, everyone knows everybody and knows of everybody. He didn`t have that kind of reputation. That wasn`t him.

And the two things that bothered me about the defense this afternoon, number one, their entire defense has been hinging on defending -- or I`m sorry, discrediting Travis, who`s dead and discrediting the prosecution. They keep ignoring the laws of physics and logic. She drove 15 hours one way. I mean, I`m reading off the police report. This is not chess, this is checkers. This is evidence --

LAURA BARON, RELATIONSHIP COACH: Abe, as a woman, we always like to know why men are attracted to bad girls and psycho women. And the fact that you kept a friendship when it seemed like -- she was unraveling in those phone conversations. You thought she was guilty, right?

ABDELHADI: Well, after the fact, I didn`t know she was going to do anything. She never told me she was going to do anything. Unless --

(CROSSTALK)

ABDELHADI: Hang on one second, there`s no mystery to this. She was hot. I was older. I wanted to go out with her. There`s no big --

PINSKY: Laura, that`s it. Laura -- there you go, Laura. You asked the question and you got it.

(CROSSTALK)

ABDELHADI: No. This isn`t like some 1970s TV movie with Robbie Benson. Let`s make this really clear. She was cute. I liked her. She spoke well. She dressed well. I thought it would be fun. I don`t see the harm in that, and obviously in hindsight, I was wrong. But at the time, there was no big mystique.

I didn`t even want to like get married or anything. That was it. And the friendship was literally just being friends with somebody. We weren`t going out anymore. We weren`t going to ever go out anymore. She wanted back to Travis.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: Who did I hear there?

CASEY JORDAN, PH.D., CRIMINOLOGIST AND BEHAVIOR ANALYST: Abe -- it`s Casey Jordan in New York, and Abe, I so appreciate your insight and your candor. I think you`re telling us stuff we really haven`t heard elsewhere. But what I love about what you said is that you`re older and you`re not interested in getting married. You knew what you wanted from her. After a while, you really weren`t getting it.

So, my question to you is, do you really think that -- I hate to use the word gold digger, but was she single minded that she wanted to find a husband and set up a family, and clearly, it wasn`t you? I mean, she dated a guy 22 years older than her. You`re older than her. And did she just kind of use you guys while she was whiling away the time to get the catch, which was, of course, Travis? Do you think that?

ABDELHADI: I have no idea. I think if you`re looking at it in terms of a long-term relationship, if she`s doing the math, she`d be 50 and I would have been 65 or something. Maybe she wanted to have kids. I made mention that I didn`t want to have children. I certainly wasn`t Mormon. That was obviously important to her at that time.

She was looking at the spiritual future. I had done my time in church. The way I looked at it was I had early release for time served. I wasn`t going to go back. We talked about that on our dates.

PINSKY: Abe, and who knew -- little did you know, you`re going to be serving your time in front of attorneys like this. I feel a very codependent to you, my friend. You`re a great guy. You didn`t mean to get into this. I feel like we got you into it here. I apologize that you`re in the middle of all this.

(CROSSTALK)

EIGLARSH: He`s a big boy. You don`t have to apologize for him.

ABDELHADI: -- I`m not shopping cancer cures. That could be worse.


EIGLARSH: We`re all friends here, Drew. You don`t have to apologize for him.

PINSKY: All right. But I just want to tell Abe we appreciate it. He`s been honest, he`s been straightforward, and he`s giving us information that I think is interesting and important. And, I apologize mostly for my friend, Mark.

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ABDELHADI: That`s OK. If he wants to ask me more questions, I`ll gladly take them.

PINSKY: It`s all good. I want to thank -- mostly, I want to thank the panel. I want to thank Abe for being here. I want to thank the panel. You guys are great. I`ll bring you back as this case continues to unfold. I think we`ll all be together again talking about this.
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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/30/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Victim`s Ex-girlfriend Testifies for Jodi Arias Defense

Aired January 30, 2013 - 19:00   ET


THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Is the Jodi Arias defense strategy back firing? Day two of the defense case in her high-profile murder trial brings victim Travis Alexander`s ex-girlfriend to the stand. She says Travis cheated on her with Jodi Arias, the defendant.

But still, no one heard any evidence of Travis ever hitting Jodi. Where on earth is this self-defense argument?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): It`s the battle of the exes in the Jodi Arias murder trial. After Jodi`s ex testified he fell hard for Jodi, Travis Alexander`s ex takes the stand and says she discovered Travis was cheating on her with Jodi. And that Travis sometimes made her feel dirty.

But does that tell the whole story? And do jurors need a score card to keep up with all this canoodling? Will this prove Jodi was sexually degraded by Travis?

Plus we`ll talk exclusively to Jodi`s high school BFF about the guys Jodi dated in high school.

And we`re taking your calls.

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Were you shocked to learn that he was not a virgin?

LISA ANDREWS DIADONI, EX-GIRLFRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Yes.

WILLMOTT: While he continued this facade of being a good and virginal Mormon man...

DIADONI: He was cheating on me.

WILLMOTT: Do you know who he was cheating with?

DIADONI: Jodi Arias.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More than marry him. She wanted to be him. She wanted to possess him. She wanted to know every breath he took.

DIADONI: As he was talking to everyone, she would be all over him.

JODI ARIAS, MURDER DEFENDANT: There was sort of a breach of trust in our relationship.

WILLMOTT: It was a way for him to let off some sexual tension. Did that make you feel used and dirty?

DIADONI: I did say that.

WILLMOTT: In reality, Jodi was Travis` dirty little secret.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight an explosive day of tears and sexual confessions in the Jodi Arias courtroom as the victim`s ex-girlfriend testifies about her steamy make-out sessions with Travis Alexander and how he cheated on her. But it was an unexpected autopsy photo that sent the courtroom into an uproar.

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live.

The stunning 32-year-old photographer admits she stabbed Travis Alexander 29 times, slit his throat ear to ear, and shot him in the face. But she claims it was all done in self-defense.

Today, as they cross-examine Travis` ex-girlfriend -- there she is going to the stand -- prosecutors pulled a stunner. The prosecutor suddenly whipped out a surprise and extremely gruesome autopsy photo of Travis almost decapitated by Jodi`s knife attack. The picture was far more graphic than these and sent Travis` sister running from the courtroom sobbing. Here`s how it all went down.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: With regard to everything that he did to you and how you feel and how you know of the circumstances and the situation that you were in, with regard to exhibit 205, do you think in your mind, because you were the one that was experiencing this...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Objection.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Objection.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Completely irrelevant.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We didn`t show you the photo but that was Travis` family member running out sobbing. Call me: 1-877-JAM-SAYS, 1-877-586- 7297.

Straight out to our own senior producer, Selin Darkalstanian. Selin, you were in court for this emotional outburst. Take us there. Tell us what happened.

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN PRODUCER: We were listening to the prosecution cross-examine Travis`s ex-girlfriend on the stand, and it was very unexpected. It was a surprise move by the prosecution. And all of a sudden he shows that autopsy photo of Travis Alexander with his throat cut, slit from ear to ear. It is the most gruesome autopsy photo that we had seen when the prosecution was giving us their evidence in the trial.

And all of a sudden, the courtroom came to a halt, because the sisters burst out crying. They`re hunched over, and then all of a sudden they got up. And one of the sisters was escorted out by another brother. It was enough to make the courtroom stop and look. All of the jury turned their heads and were looking at the front row at the gallery, at the sisters and the brother crying. They just saw a photo of him...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And what about Jodi?

DARKALSTANIAN: Practically beheaded. And Jodi started crying, as well. Jodi turned her head and started crying.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think it was essentially the prosecutor saying, "Oh, you`ve got a defense witness? I`m going to turn that whole scene into a prosecution win by just showing this horrific photo. It puts everything else that was said into context and makes it look pale by comparison."

Today`s key defense witness, Travis` ex-girlfriend, Lisa Andrews. She`s now married. That was the name she had during her time dating Travis Alexander. She`s an abstinent Mormon, sexually abstinent at the time she`s dating him.

She was brought by the defense to try to paint Travis as a cad and a sexually aggressive man who made her feel dirty and used. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you talk to him that sometime you felt that he wanted you just for you your body?

DIADONI: I did say that in the e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did that make you feel used and dirty?

DIADONI: I did say that in the e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You had previously told him to not grab your butt.

DIADONI: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And especially not in public.

DIADONI: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But that he persisted in doing it?

DIADONI: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you tell him that you thought it was vulgar and unattractive when a man talks about sex as much as he did?

DIADONI: I did say that in the e-mail.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. But then the prosecution turns it around, saying it was Lisa`s own sexual inexperience -- She was 19 and a virgin -- that led her to misunderstand what was happening when they were making out. Travis and her kissing.

We have to warn you, the language is graphic, but it was said in open court. Listen to this exchange about a steamy make-out session between Travis, the victim, and his girlfriend at the time.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MARTINEZ: And during the time that he was kissing -- and again, not to get too much into this, he achieved an erection, right?

DIADONI: Yes.

MARTINEZ: You did not massage his erection. Right?

DIADONI: Correct.

MARTINEZ: He did not massage his own erection, correct?

DIADONI: Correct.

MARTINEZ: It was a biological response to your lips, wasn`t it?

DIADONI: Correct.

MARTINEZ: And that, that time, because of your inexperience, you thought that he should have controlled his penis from becoming tumescent or getting big just because he was kissing you. You thought that`s what the problem was, right?

DIADONI: Yes. Yes.

MARTINEZ: And it was because of your inexperience, correct?

DIADONI: Correct.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that exchange certainly had the witness blushing. Let`s debate it with our attorneys. Did this witness work more for the defense or for the prosecution?

Stacey Honowitz, Florida prosecutor; Lisa Bloom, legal analyst for Avo.com; and Anahita Sedaghatfar. Let`s start with Lisa Bloom.

LISA BLOOM, LEGAL ANALYST, AVO.COM: I don`t think this had anything for the defense at all. I think it`s a big zero for the defense. So he was a sexual guy. I mean, he reacted by kissing a girl by getting an erection. What does that prove?

The defense needs to prove that he was violent towards her. That she was in fear for her life. So far we haven`t even moved a half of an inch in that direction.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Anahita?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR: I disagree. Jane, I think today was a good day for the defense. Because they did exactly what we anticipated they were going to do based on their opening, and that is sadly putting Travis Alexander on trial.

And they want to show that he led a double life. That he was not this church-going devout choir boy that the prosecution had those jurors believe. That he was a liar. That he was a cheater. That he was manipulative. That he was possibly a sexual deviant. And this is the Travis Alexander...

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Wow!

SEDAGHATFAR: And this is the Travis Alexander that Jodi was afraid of.

HONOWITZ: All right. If getting an erection makes you a sexual deviant. I mean, if everyone who got an erection was a sexual deviant you`d have to arrest everybody in the country. The bottom line is, this witness...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All the men. All the men, Stacey.

HONOWITZ: All the men.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I just want to say that. To be accurate from a biological perspective. But continue on. I liked your point, Stacey.

HONOWITZ: I mean, the fact of the matter is this defense witness did nothing. You know, when you say you feel dirty and used, that`s not the equivalent of slitting someone`s throat and shooting them multiple times. It just doesn`t happen. This prosecutor knows exactly what he has to do.

BLOOM: Bottom line is he didn`t have sex with the woman that didn`t want to have sex. He respected her wishes. He pushed a little bit, but ultimately he respected her wishes. Doesn`t sound like a violent guy to me.

HONOWITZ: He is a horny guy. A horny guy does not make one a victim. I mean, that`s what they proved today. He was horny with a 19-year-old. Big deal. It means nothing. We`re going to have to wait and see what the jurors think.

SEDAGHATFAR: That`s not all they proved. They proved that he was a liar. That he tried to manipulate her. That he tried to control her. And that he was not this devout Mormon who portrayed himself to be a virgin.

HONOWITZ: But he stopped. He didn`t do it all along. You can be a liar all you want but he didn`t do anything to her. She didn`t take the stand and say, "He manipulated me, forced me, hit me and beat me into submission to have sex." She didn`t say anything like that.

She said, "I was inexperienced. I had a make-out session with him. The guy got an erection. I told him to back off, and that was the end of it."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But -- but...

BLOOM: That was a very human story from a guy who`s struggling to be abstinent but is having a hard time with it, because he`s a red-blooded American male.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, she did say that he cheated on her. Lisa Andrews broke up with Travis at one point when she found out that he was cheating on her with Jodi Arias. And she wrote him less than 24 hours this very, this e-mail in which she revealed she was very upset. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DIADONI: He was cheating on me.

WILLMOTT: Do you know who he was cheating with?

DIADONI: Yes.

WILLMOTT: Who was that?

DIADONI: Jodi Arias.

WILLMOTT: He didn`t tell that you Jodi went with him on that trip, right?

DIADONI: Correct.

WILLMOTT: Did you suspect it?

DIADONI: Yes.

WILLMOTT: Did you tell him that -- that you were sick of hearing about her?

DIADONI: Yes.

WILLMOTT: And he told you nothing was going on?

DIADONI: Yes.

WILLMOTT: But something inside of you felt otherwise?

DIADONI: Yes. And that something inside of me was actually his roommate that told me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So Beth Karas, this statement that Travis was cheating on his girlfriend with Jodi Arias goes to a couple of points that the defense wants to make. They said in their open, well, Jodi was Travis` dirty little secret. He`s having sex with her while he`s trying to date these good Mormon girl who are virginal and also, that he was cheating and lying.

So can you elaborate on that, Beth?

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Yes. Now this e- mail that the defense tried to get in, and they couldn`t actually get the e-mail in but they could question her extensively about it. We learned because a juror asked a question at the end, one of the written questions, when did you learn -- when did you write that e-mail in relation to learning that Travis was cheating on you with Jodi? She said within 24 hours. So this was an angry e-mail.

And the defense was using this angry e-mail, this three-page e-mail where she lists all these things wrong with him and things that are, were abusive in her eyes. That he was arrogant with her and belittled her and didn`t take her seriously enough and wanted a lot of compliments.

But she said they worked through it all, but she was angry because she had just found out that he had been cheating on her with Jodi Arias. So she admitted, it may be a little exaggerated. That`s my word, but she kind of intimated it was a little exaggerated, because she wrote in anger and she was young.

So that was really important that a juror asked a question to clarify that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And we`re going to play some of those juror questions in a little bit.

But I think the point that Lisa Bloom is making, is absolutely true. I mean, even if he is a cad. Even if he is sexually aggressive. That`s not the same thing as hitting her or beating her up to the point where she feels she can kill him in self-defense, almost decapitating him.

On the other side of the break, we`re going to talk to one of Jodi Arias`s BFFs, best friends from high school. And you know that life is high school. So we`re going to really learn about Jodi`s character. The missing piece to the puzzle, right on the other side of the break. Stay right there.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever notice her being violent or having a violent temper?

DARRYL BREWER, JODI`S EX-BOYFRIEND: Never.

MARTINEZ: Do you remember the first time you and she had sex though, right?

BREWER: I do remember, yes.

MARTINEZ: And she was very aggressive, wasn`t she?

BREWER: We were both aggressive.

Became infatuated and fell in love.

MARTINEZ: That`s when the defendant...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DIADONI: Jodi and another female had texted and called several times while we were together. Jodi called numerous times. It`s almost as if she knew we were together at the time.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It`s the murder trial that has captured America`s fascination, because we don`t understand why. Why would this woman we`re looking at right there shoot a man in the face after stabbing him 29 times and slitting his throat ear to ear? She claims self-defense but look at this woman. She sounds so petite, and she sounds so demure when she talks. There`s a missing piece here.

So they say life is high school. Right now we`re going back to high school to Jodi Arias`s high school days in Yreka, California, a small town near the Oregon border. And I`d like to introduce our very special guest. Tina Ross, a very close friend from high school. One of your BFFs, Jodi`s BFF in high school.

Tina, thank you so much for joining us.

CALLER: Thank you for having me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: First of all when you heard that Jodi Arias was accused of this incredibly violent crime, knowing that she was your friend from high school, what was your reaction?

CALLER: I was completely shocked and in disbelief.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead.

CALLER: But it was completely out of character from the Jodi that I knew.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So let`s go back to high school. They say life is high school and it`s true. Because who you are -- in high school, I was passing out leaflets and literature and talking politics. So nothing has really changed. I`m still debating things.

What was she like in high school? What group was she in? Did she hang in with the jocks and he cheerleaders or was she with the goths? Or was she -- what was her posse?
CALLER: There was just a small group of us. And, you know, I wouldn`t say we were into sports or anything like that. But, you know, there was just a small group of us.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, what -- what were you into? Were you into rock music? Heavy metal music? Did she hang out with clean-cut guys or was she hanging out in high school -- did she date in high school?

CALLER: I can remember a guy that she had dated that was not really in our group of people, and it was, it just blew us all away that she had dated this guy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why?

CALLER: Because he was more Goth type. And, you know, Jodi was very beautiful, popular.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. So she was not an outcast in high school. She was one of the cool kids, to sort of sum it up?

CALLER: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did she strike you as a sociopath or a psychopath? We`ve heard stories when she was waitressing, that she left a cat -- we just heard last night a woman said she left a cat in a room for two weeks without giving the cat any attention after saying she would adopt the cat. Does that strike you as an odd thing for Jodi?

CALLER: Yes. She was a kind, caring, a good sense of humor. She was, you know, a good girl.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So nothing that would indicate in high school that she would ever be capable of something like this?

CALLER: Definitely not.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why did she drop out of school in the 11th grade if she was such a good kid?

CALLER: Probably work and, you know, just start her life.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I mean, you were there. You went to high school with her. Why -- were you upset that she dropped out?

CALLER: At that point I was actually in a different school so...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, OK. So it was a little younger that you knew her.

OK, look, give me a clue to her character. I mean, you`re saying she was totally 100 percent normal. Was there any problems with her family? I mean, you know, you describe in our research that her family was sort of in business. A good family that had -- I think they were in what? The restaurant business or something?

CALLER: Yes. They owned a restaurant here locally. Her parents were maybe a little strict on Jodi. You know, she had, like, 6 p.m. curfew where other ones -- you know, other people in the -- in our group of friends could stay out until 8 or 9. Her parents expected high things out of Jodi.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tina -- Tina, do you believe her story that she killed him in self-defense? And if so, why?

CALLER: You know, I do believe that just because she wasn`t a violent person. And I believe there was definitely signs of domestic violence, you know, maybe not the physical abuse from Travis Alexander but definitely sexual and emotional abuse.

And I think Jodi just, she snapped. And in a moment of rage, made a huge mistake.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Snapping, is that self-defense? Or is that somebody getting really angry?

Thank you, Tina. Stay right there if you can. We`d love to keep you on to analyze as we continue on. We`re just getting started. Your calls on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever see Jodi have jealousy with women that you came into contact with?

BREWER: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She had slashed his tires several times. She had slashed his -- he had dated someone earlier that year. She had slashed her tires.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS (singing): O holy night the stars are brightly shining. It is the night of our dear savior`s birth.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And tonight everybody wondering, is Jodi Arias going to take the stand and sing? Or is she just going to sing behind bars?

The defense case, day two. Is the defense case imploding? Most people think she will not take the stand.

Let`s go out to the phone lines. Your question or thought, Jay, Illinois.

CALLER: Hi, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hi.

CALLER: I`ve been watching this for a long time. And when Travis was in high school, he was an introvert. He wore flooded pants. His parents were doing meth.

Don`t you think that maybe he had psychological problems behind that and all of a sudden he becomes the greatest person in the world? Maybe he was fulfilling his fantasies. Maybe he did have a separate life.

I mean, everybody is jumping on his case about maybe he was fulfilling fantasies from way back in high school and Jodi was a beautiful woman. You know, no telling what type of aggression he was trying to do, you know, because of his high-school days.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know what? You raise a very interesting point. Beth Karas, take us back to Travis Alexander`s childhood and his parents and their drug problems. Because we forget, it all starts in childhood.

KARAS: Yes, indeed. You know, it was kind of a rough start for Travis Alexander and his siblings. You know, he has four sisters and three brothers, eight kids all together, and his parents were drug addicts. They passed away. They`re dead now.

But the grandmother was -- raised Travis and a lot of the children. So they had a broken home, drug-addicted parents, and he really was quite the success in his family, because there he was with this beautiful home and he was still in his 20s.

Maybe he did have some issues in his past. But he was -- he had no drugs in his system when he was killed. This is not a man who was a substance abuser.

Did he want compliments? Was he proud of himself? Did he feel, you know, he wanted a good Mormon girl? Yes. For sure.

But if he was an abuser, there would have been something in his record. The police would have found something. And Jodi Arias had ample opportunities to tell people, to report him, to tell the police after Travis died, you know, he`s kind of a violent guy. She never did. She didn`t do anything like that until two years after he was arrested.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And I think you`ve hit the nail on the head. But I see it as this case, because they probably don`t have any of that, is trying, attempting to break new ground and say, wherefore we have all these images of them engaged in kinky sex, whereas she was sexually abused, sexually degraded. That equals in their mind -- this is their argument. They want to make that equal battered women syndrome and PTSD, post- traumatic stress disorder. And then they`re going to say that`s why she was in fear for her life, and that`s why she killed.

That`s a lot of leaps. That`s a lot of leaps to make to prove their case for self-defense. We have so much more on the other side.

And at 8, Nancy Grace, live from outside the Jodi Arias courthouse. That`s 8 p.m. right here on HLN. Stay right there. On the other side, more from inside court today, and it was a humdinger.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DIADONI: I broke up with him because I felt like if he wasn`t at a point in his life that he did want to be married, that he should explore other options because I was already at that point.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever refer to Jodi Arias as a stalker of Travis Alexander?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did somebody come into the house unannounced?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi called numerous times. It is almost as if she knew we were together.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You had previously told him to not grab your butt.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: Did he ever touch you there again?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not unmerited.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But that he persisted in doing it?

In Jodi, he found somebody who was easily manipulated and controlled; someone who would provide him with that secretive sexual relationship.

MARTINEZ: He never at any time forced you to do anything sexual that you did not want to do.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: He made it a point to keep walking next to me and keep me engaged in conversation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I didn`t speak with him again until the night before he was killed.

MARTINEZ: Do you think it is appropriate to take a knife and slash somebody`s throat?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: Fireworks in court today. Day two of the defense case and we`re starting to see the victim, Travis Alexander, was quite the ladies` man. Ok.

Lisa Andrews, that was her name; she is now married. But when she took the stand today, she spoke of her time dating Travis Alexander. We`re going to show you a map of all of Travis` women.

Lisa Andrews is a Mormon. Travis met her through the Mormon Church. They broke up, got back together, broke up. Finally they broke up. But he cheated on her with Jodi Arias, the defendant.

Then there is Mimi Hall, another young woman that Travis met through the Mormon Church. They went on a couple of dates. He was planning to take her on vacation to Cancun, Mexico when Jodi Arias killed Travis.

And of course, there`s Jodi who`s on trial for murdering Travis.

So here`s the thing. At one point in early 2008, Travis was pretty much juggling all three women tame. So let`s bring in three other women, our expert legal panel: Stacey Honowitz, Lisa Bloom and Anahita Sedaghatfar to debate whether showing that somebody -- ok, let`s give that to the defense. He is a ladies` man. He was a ladies` man.

What does that have to do with shooting somebody, stabbing them 29 times and slitting their throat? We`ll start with Stacey Honowitz.

STACEY HONOWITZ, FLORIDA PROSECUTOR: Well, you just did the prosecution closing argument, Jane. That`s exactly what the prosecutor is going to say. You`re never going to get a jury instruction, ladies and gentlemen, that says if you`re a cheater then you deserve to die. And that`s exactly what the defense is trying to say. He`s a cheater. He`s a philanderer. He has a lot of women. He is horny. He likes to have sex, and he is really a Mormon. Ergo, she was working in self-defense.

That is what the prosecution will say and quite frankly, the defense today made no head way in their self-defense claim.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Anahita Sedaghatfar, your thoughts on that?

ANAHITA SEDAGHATFAR, ATTORNEY: My thoughts are no one is claiming because this guy was a cad or a playboy that he deserved to be killed. Jane, the issue here is self-defense. And in order to prove self-defense, the defense is going to have to show those jurors that Travis Alexander was somebody that Jodi Arias feared.

And how are they going to do that? They are going to do that by presenting evidence to show what he was really like. That he was a deviant. That he was controlling. That he was abusive; and that when he lunged at her that she reasonably feared for her life. That is the point that the defense is trying the make to those jurors.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Lisa Bloom, though, it`s like they`re on the first stop of a thousand-mile journey and they don`t seem to get past that first stop.

LISA BLOOM, ATTORNEY: Well, this is the first time I`ve heard that a 30-year-old guy who wants heterosexual sex is a deviant. I mean that`s news to me. I don`t think anybody is a deviant. If they want to have sex, they want to have sex. I don`t see what that has to do with anything.

I think so far the defense in this case is an insult to the jury`s intelligence. I`m surprised the judge allowed all of this in. I think the only reason the judge did is because this is a murder case. There are serious stakes and consequences here. The judge said, all right, you know, I`m going to bend over backwards and let the defense put in what they want to but the jury is not going to fall for any of this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A friend of Travis Alexander`s and also she knew Jodi. Her name is Desiree Freeman. She took the stand today. She talked about she took a road trip with her brother and Jodi and Travis and she said that Travis was acting a little strange. They pull over. Jodi is a photographer, to take some pictures, he drives away and leaves Jodi there. And then when she finally gets back in the car, Jodi makes the comment "not funny" and Travis` response was shocking to this witness.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DESIREE FREEMAN, WITNESS: His response was very -- stark I would say. It seemed a little over the top for the encounter.

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Were you shocked?

FREEMAN: I was.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. So this woman who is a Mormon didn`t seem to want to be a defense witness. She didn`t seem too eager. She is admitting that she was shocked -- Jean Casarez, correspondent, "In Session" -- because Travis was rude to Jodi or maybe disrespectful when they were on a road trip together.

They also established that at the time when they were supposedly broken up, Travis and Jodi were traveling to places like the Grand Canyon and Sedona together and they were acting like a couple. Does that fit into the defense saying she was Travis` dirty little secret?

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Yes, yes, exactly. Exactly. I think the whole point of Lisa Andrews, yes, they wanted to dirty up Travis. But I think more than anything they wanted to lay the foundation of the state of mind of Jodi Arias. That she was that person that was kept behind the scenes, in the woodwork, the good girl was the girlfriend that he portrayed to everybody else but he took these secret trips with Jodi Arias.

But also in regard to any angry words that Travis had for anybody including Jodi, under the law that does not allow someone to then believe as a reasonable person that you`re going to be killed or seriously bodily injured and you have a right to then attack them. Words alone will not do it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s go out to the phone lines. Gigi, Texas, your question or thought -- Gigi.

GIGI, TEXAS (via telephone): Yes, Jane, I would like to know why is the jury not able to hear the entire story that`s going on like we do? How can they make a fair judgment with only hearing half?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, my gosh -- that is one great question. Got to bring back the legal panel here. Lisa Bloom, this is why so often we are dead wrong when we predict the outcome of a case. We`re hearing all this stuff. We`re talking like to Tina Ross, a close high school friend of Jodi Arias and we`re hearing all this, that and the other and we`re talking, we`re hearing this. The jury is not hearing any of that nor should they.

BLOOM: Right. Because the rules of evidence are there to protect all of our rights and people can`t introduce evidence in court that is not directly relevant to an issue in the case. So someone`s lengthy background is probably not going to be relevant. We can`t have hearsay. We can`t have evidence that`s not authentic indicated meaning we can`t be sure what it is. And those rules are there to protect all of us.

Also, trials would go on for a year and a half if we let all this stuff in. So the judge is trying to keep it right to the issues at hand.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tina Ross, close high school friend and family friend with Jodi. You say you were shocked by this. Now, when you see her behavior in court, when you see her now wearing glasses with the dark hair, then you see the old pictures of her as a bleached blond. I mean what goes through your mind? Do you see -- is this the person that you knew in high school? Or is this somebody like you go on Facebook and you look at an old high school buddy and go "Oh my God, what happened to them?"

TINA ROSS, FRIEND OF JODI ARIAS (via telephone): She seems almost like depressed. It doesn`t seem like the Jodi that I knew. I can tell that she has been traumatized. You know, she seems like an abused person to me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tina, do you think she is going to take the stand in her own defense?

ROSS: I don`t know. I don`t know.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s an honest answer. Neither do we; maybe even Jodi doesn`t know if she`s going to take stand. Maybe they haven`t decided that yet.

We`ve seen Jodi`s paintings going for hundreds of dollars on eBay. Tomorrow right here on this show, we`re going to talk to Jodi`s former art teacher. Yes, she is a pretty good artist. Look at some of her color drawings. That is an exclusive interview right here 7:00 p.m. Eastern.

But we`re far from done tonight. On the other side, a clinical psychologist who analyzed today`s explosive court developments.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you were called to testify in Miss Arias`s behalf, would you be happy about that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I would not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why not?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because she murdered my friend in cold blood.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re hearing more and more about potentially dangerous ingredients in the beauty products we slather on our bodies. You know a hundred ingredients on the back of the bottle, you don`t know what those ingredients are.

My alternative is I make my own: make up remover, perfume, body lotion and essentially what I do is almond oil, very simple. I pour that in and then I use essential oils like tea tree oil and rosemary and lavender. And I mix it all up and put it in various bottles so that I can go on trips, I can go exercise.

People always ask me, what are you wearing? And I say I made it myself.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

VERONICA, FORMER CO-WORKER OF JODI ARIAS: Travis was her one and only love. She had this whole life planned out with him with children and the white picket fence and forever and all eternity. This was the only man she would ever be with. Scary I tell you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. So she wanted to marry him.

VERONICA: Marry him? More than marry him. She wanted to be him. She wanted to possess him. She wanted to know every breath he took.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And that`s one of the callers who knew Jodi Arias, talking about her obsession with Travis Alexander. And she says she wanted to own him.

Well, is Jodi now doing sort of a weird similar thing with her attorney? Today in court, we saw Jodi and her attorney color coordinating. Look at this, all right. She looks likes like a mini me for the attorney. They`re both wearing white. Jodi has brown hair and now bangs and her lawyer has brown and bangs.

And this is the first time that we`ve seen Jodi match up like a little Barbie doll matching up to the big sister. Look at all these similar looks. We`re going to show you some while we talk to a psychologist. Clinical psychologist Dr. Judy Ho -- thank you for your patience -- what does this mean from a psychological standpoint?

DR. JUDY HO, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Jane, I think it shows that Jodi maybe a little lost in her own identity. When we hear these stories about her trying to take on Travis` persona, wanted to be him and this mirroring of her attorney, it really shows there is probably a part of Jodi. She is a little bit of a lost child. She doesn`t really know what her own identity is so she takes on the identities of people around her that she likes, that she wants to emulate.

And she is taking on their personality traits as well possibly. And so we see this pattern now between both Travis and her attorney today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And Selin Darkalstanian, you`re our senior producer there in court and also our resident fashionista on the show. What are you noticing about Jodi`s looks in court?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN SENIOR PRODUCER: Well, she definitely does match her attorney a lot. I mean she is dressing very proper, buttoned- downs and sweaters and she is very put together, I would say. Her clothing is extremely loose on her. She is very, very frail and thin. That is one thing I`ve noticed because when she walks into court, she walks in -- you see her walk across the courtroom and she is definitely lost a lot of weight in court. I can tell you that from the clothes she`s wearing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, in Arizona jurors can ask witnesses questions. It is bizarre. But yes, today the jury had a whole bunch of questions for Travis` ex-girlfriend Lisa. Listen to these juror questions and then you tell me if you think the jurors are buying Jodi`s claims that Travis sexually abused and degraded Jodi.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLMOTT: Did you ever refer to Jodi Arias as a stalker of Travis Alexander?

LISA ANDREWS, FORMER GIRLFRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Yes.

WILLMOTT: Did Travis ever call you names?

ANDREWS: No.

WILLMOTT: Did you personally feel threatened by Travis?

ANDREWS: No.

WILLMOTT: Was Travis ever abusive to you?

ANDREWS: No.

WILLMOTT: Did he ask you to have sex with him?

ANDREWS: No.

WILLMOTT: Did you feel pressured to do anything?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Stacey Honowitz, what does that say in term of what the jury is thinking right now?

HONOWITZ: Well, I think the jurors want to know all of the questions that we`ve been asking. Where is the claim for self-defense? You`re putting a defense witness on to basically say that he is aggressive, that she had no other choice and we`re not hearing any of that from the witness. That`s what they want to know.

Where is the self-defense? If he didn`t do anything to you, how are we ever going to buy into it? So it`s my feeling as a prosecutor that those questions were quite telling. We want to know, where is the violence? Where`s the aggression? Where`s the name calling? And she had all those answers. She said it never happened to her. And I think this is a real hole in the defense`s case.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, we`re going to continue to debate it and we`re taking your calls.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLMOTT: Did you talk to him about that sometimes you felt that he wanted you just for your body?

ANDREWS: I did say that in the e-mail.

WILLMOTT: Did that make you feel used and dirty?

ANDREWS: I did say that in the e-mail.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Time for our "Pet o` the Day". Send your pet pics to hlntv.com/jane. Kajun -- you`re raging. Cocobutter -- you are sweet. And, oh, Critter, you are just the best. Kismet, look at that. Love to scratch your belly. Look at that sweetie.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLMOTT: Did Travis claim to be a virgin?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he did. We made jokes about it.

WILLMOTT: Did he seem happy to be a virgin.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

WILLMOTT: And did he seem proud?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A friend who is also a Mormon says Travis said he was a virgin. According to the Mormon faith you`re not supposed to get into any tempting situations that would break the law of chastity -- chastity. I`m saying it`s bad for me.

Obviously Travis did break the law of chastity, but that`s not a crime. Breaking the law of chastity is a very different thing from being sexually abusive and being violent.

I want to bring in my expert panel, Lisa Bloom. I think they`re going to try to make the leap, oh, you had kinky sex with her that means you`re sexually abusive, that means you`re a batterer, that means I can kill you.
BLOOM: It`s too many leaps. The jurors can draw on their own common sense. There`s a lot of people who try to abstain from sex for religious reasons who are unable to do it. It really is completely irrelevant in this case.

By the way, I don`t think she`s going to stand because if her attorney put her on the stand, her attorney would be suborning perjury and it`s unethical for us as attorneys to do that, to put somebody on who you know is going to lie. So it`s going to be interesting to see whether she takes the stand.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You`re telling me you think that they wouldn`t have put Casey Anthony on the stand?

BLOOM: They didn`t. Well, I mean --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: They didn`t, but --

(CROSSTALK)

BLOOM: Go ahead.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, you bring up a good point. I mean when you`re dealing with a client who is a pathological liar, are you supposed to just accept everything that they say, let them take the stand and lie?

BLOOM: You are ethically forbidden as an attorney from putting a client on the stand who you know or reasonably believe is going to lie. So in the criminal justice system there`s a whole procedure for that where if the client wants to testify, they go up there and just talk and the attorney sits down and doesn`t ask any questions.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. More on the other side. Great explanation, Lisa, thank you.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Psychologist Judy Ho, final thoughts?

HO: I want to address the defense`s presentation of her as a conservative, nice girl in her work life and in a past relationship. Just because she was that in a past relationship doesn`t mean that she can`t be capable of something violent in a subsequent relationship.

In mental health problems we have a (inaudible) stress model. Her psychopathic tendencies could have been latent and then when there`s an extreme trigger that`s when it comes out. And so I don`t really think the defense got anywhere today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you, doctor. Please come back. I love your analysis.

Thank you, fantastic panel.

Nancy next from Arizona.

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NANCY GRACE

Victim`s Former Girlfriend Testifies for Jodi Arias Defense

Aired January 30, 2013 - 20:00   ET


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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Mesa, Arizona. They meet on a work trip in Vegas, and they fall hard. But when the flame burns out, they break up. But it`s then she moves 300 miles to chase him, even converting to Mormonism to get her man.

But then 30-year-old Travis Alexander found slumped over dead in the shower of his home, shot, stabbed 29 times. And just hours after she admittedly stabs him to death, she`s literally hopping on top of a brand- new boyfriend. Twenty-seven-year-old Arias has wild sex with Travis all day, even photographing the sex, but just minutes after sex, slashes his throat from ear to ear.

Bombshell tonight. We are live here at the Phoenix courthouse, day two of the Jodi Arias defense. On the stand, murder victim Travis Alexander`s much younger girlfriend.

Torpedo to the defense. Arias`s plan to paint Travis as an angry, abusive sex deviant backfires in court when his longtime girlfriend says under oath he never once pressured her, forced her, beat her, belittled her. As a matter of fact, after a year of romance, they never even had sex. So much for the sex deviant defense.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you solemnly swear the testimony you`re about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ex-girlfriend...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) he was cheating on me...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know who he was cheating with?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, Jodi Arias.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you get back together with him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever have suspicions that he might have been cheating again?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever see Jodi try to be affectionate with Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. She would be all over him, and he did not reciprocate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think that it is appropriate to take a knife and slash somebody`s throat?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Irrelevant!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We were in no way headed toward marriage.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: More than marry him, she wanted to be him. She wanted to possess him. She wanted to know every breath he took.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you shocked to learn that he was not a virgin?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you talk to him that sometimes you felt that he wanted you just for your body?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did say that in an e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "You are a shameful whore."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did that make you feel used and dirty?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did say that in an e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Committing acts of whoredom."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he treat you with dignity and respect throughout this whole thing?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. We are live here, camped out in front of the Phoenix courthouse, day two of the Jodi Arias defense. On the stand, murder victim Travis Alexander`s much younger girlfriend.

Torpedo to the defense. Arias`s plan to paint Travis as some sort of an angry sex deviant backfires, like a boomerang comes back and hits you in the courtroom. They put on the stand his long0time girlfriend, who says never once did he pressure her, force her, push her, belittle her, beat her. As a matter of fact, after a year of romance, they never even had sex.

Straight out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session" who has been in the courtroom from day one. Jean Casarez, well, that didn`t work out.

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": Well, you`re exactly right, everything you`re saying. But let`s look at what the defense did get out of this witness because this was their witness, Lisa Andrews (ph). She was in a relationship with Travis Alexander, and she testified on the stand that he cheated on her, that he lied to her, that he betrayed her, deceived her, told her he was a virgin when he wasn`t a virgin, went on trips with Jodi Arias, and he said nothing is going on romantically, nothing.

Well, it was. And she broke up with him several times because she felt he was vulgar, that all he talked about was sex, and she felt there was just something wrong with that. And she told him, Look, just wait until you`re married. So all of a sudden, the focus is not on Jodi Arias anymore, it`s on Travis Alexander.

GRACE: Wait! Whoa, whoa! Wait, wait, wait! Jean -- Jean, let`s just be blunt, all right? There are 11 men on the jury. Do you think that there`s one man on the jury that doesn`t think about sex maybe, I don`t know, 22 out of 24 hours a day? The fact that Travis Alexander talked about sex, that he wanted to have sex, blah, blah, blah -- that`s not unusual. If he didn`t think about sex, that would be unusual.

And as a matter of fact, they never even had sex. He honored her desire to be a virgin until the time of marriage. That`s very, very important in the Mormon religion. She was extremely religious.

CASAREZ: Right.

GRACE: So I mean, a guy talks about sex? What`s deviant about that?

CASAREZ: But it`s her state of mind. It was how she felt with everything that was done, and they`re going to transfer that over to how Jodi felt, what was done to Jodi.

GRACE: So I`m still -- I understand what Lisa said on the stand, but to me, it`s not translating. You know, I would also point out that at the time, she was a 19-year-old girl, and so her view of the world was much different at the time she was dating Travis Alexander.

But what`s so interesting -- and I`m going to go to you on this, Matt Zarrell -- as it all shook out, this is a former state`s witness that the state did not call. So the defense snapped her up and put her on the stand. It was devastating on cross-exam, Matt! What happened?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, Nancy. In fact, there were a number of things -- towards the end of direct examination, the witness referenced some strange things that were happening around the time that they broke up, and one of the strange things was an incident around early 2007, when Lisa Andrews and Travis Alexander were inside Travis`s home, and Jodi Arias walks in the front door unannounced.

As soon as she sees Andrews and Travis Alexander, she immediately turns around and sprints out the front door and to her car.

GRACE: Isn`t it true, Matt Zarrell, that this witness, Lisa Andrews - - that`s her maiden name -- said that it was almost uncanny, as if Arias knew when they would have a date because as soon as they would leave on the date, Travis Alexander would begin getting a barrage of phone calls, of text messages from Arias?

ZARRELL: And of all the place this is came out, Nancy, this came out as a jury question. The jury asked the question of the witness, Did someone tell you that Travis was texting and calling Jodi and another female? And the witness said, No, actually, Jodi and another female had texted and called several times while she was with Travis Alexander and that Jodi called numerous times, so many, it was as if Jodi Arias knew that Lisa Andrews was with Travis when she made those phone calls.

GRACE: And as a matter of fact, Jean Casarez, she`s on a date with Travis Alexander. They`re standing in his kitchen in his home. And all of a sudden, in walks Jodi Arias. I mean, I don`t see how this helps the defense at all.

CASAREZ: I`ll tell you how it helps the defense. We heard before that she went through the doggie door to get in there. That`s what the first witness, Marie Hall (ph), testified to. But that was hearsay. She`d never witnessed it herself. Well, now we`re hearing she walked through the front door. That`s not a crime.

GRACE: OK, just let me just process what you said. I don`t see that it matters if she crawls through the doggie door, which is crazy, or walks through the door.

The bottom line is -- am I missing something, Matt Zarrell? This woman is on a date with Travis Alexander, and in comes Jodi Arias to break up the date. She comes -- she`s the third wheel on the date. She walks into his home. She`s a stalker. She knew he had a date, and she came into the home.

ZARRELL: It was clear from the testimony, Nancy, that Arias did not think that Travis Alexander and Lisa Andrews were going to be in the house because as soon as Arias saw both of them, she turned around and ran out the front door. And Travis actually chased after her.

GRACE: Interesting.

Out to the lines. Holly in North Carolina. Hi, Holly. What`s your question?

OK, let me know, Drew, when you get Holly back up.

Out to Nicole in Florida. Hi, Nicole. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I was just wondering...

GRACE: Hi, love. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you hear me?

GRACE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. I was just wondering if you think that Travis Alexander`s ex-girlfriend`s testimony hurt the prosecution today.

GRACE: Oh. I got to tell you, Nicole, I don`t think it hurt the prosecution at all. I mean, I asked Jean Casarez how did it help the defense, and she said, Well, there were reports Arias came uninvited through the doggie door, but she actually came through the door. I don`t think that really amounts to a hill of beans as to the state of mind Arias had towards Travis Alexander.

Out to Christina Estes, reporter with KTAR. Christina, thank you for being with us. The bottom line is the jury asked a series of questions of this girlfriend.

Everybody, we are talking about a young girl who dated Travis Alexander. During their relationship, he never beat her. He never pushed her. He never pressured her for sex. He talked about sex a lot, never forced her into anything, or tried to. As a matter of fact, they never had sex.

The whole point of her being on the stand is for the defense to paint Travis Alexander, the murder victim, as a sex deviant. It backfired.

Christina Estes, isn`t it true when the jury asked this witness questions, she mentioned Jodi Arias having been a stalker -- stalker -- of Travis Alexander`s?

CHRISTINA ESTES, KTAR RADIO (via telephone): One of those juror questions for Lisa Andrews specifically was, Did you ever refer to Jodi as a stalker? She answered, Yes.

GRACE: Everyone, we are live outside the courthouse, taking your calls. It has been a blockbuster day in the courtroom. Today on the stand a former girlfriend of murder victim Travis Alexander.

Matt Zarrell, what were the other jury questions? In this jurisdiction, the jury actually gets to ask the witness questions. What did they ask?

ZARRELL: OK, I`ll go through these one by one, if I can. So they said, Did you -- I mentioned the first one about texting and calling Arias and another female.

The second question was, Did you know this before you started dating Travis the second time, that he was being contacted by these females? The witness said, Yes, I was aware of it.

Was the e-mail you sent to Travis that was the basis for the direct questioning before or after you heard he cheated with Jodi Arias? And she said, Yes, it was less than 24 hours after.

Then we get to the stalker question, Did you refer to Jodi Arias as a stalker of Travis Alexander? Yes.

Did Travis ever call you names? No. Did you personally feel threatened by Travis? No. Was Travis ever abusive to you? No. Did he ask you to have sex with him? No. Did you feel pressure to do anything? No. Did Travis ever make any sexual advances towards you while you were dating? No.

Then the witness was asked, How do you define cheating, and also was asked, If you were shocked to learn Travis was a virgin, why did you break up him after you found out he was cheating on you? And she said it was because she understood that that was not the truth.

And then the final question was, Did you feel Travis`s job interfered with your relationship in regards to travel and phone calls? And Lisa Andrews said, Yes, it did.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: We are here in Arizona, in the Estrella jail.

I`m very interested in Jodi Arias and how she makes people believe her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She told me that she did it because she was afraid for her own life.

GRACE: Yesterday she was ready to say, I did it. Show leniency. I murdered him. And today she wants me to buy a crock called self-defense?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s real quiet. She doesn`t really talk much. She`s a really pretty girl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very quiet and pretty.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s always dressed very feminine, but very conservative.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I made a little reach to find out, candidly speaking, if she`s wearing thong panties or not. When I realized that she was, I made a little joke and I said, That`s not magic underwear. I was a Mormon joke. It was in bad taste. But I said this isn`t magic underwear, and she said, But there`s magic in them.

GRACE: Will she take the stand and work that same magic on the jury of 12?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Welcome back everybody. We are live, camped outside the Phoenix courthouse, bringing you the very latest in the murder one trial of Jodi Arias.

And let me tell you something. I just came out of the courtroom, and she was gorgeous. She was. She had on -- Jean, what was that, kind of a - - looked like a kind of a creamy colored cashmere-looking sweater, thing? As she continued looking down, she very rarely looks at the jury. She`ll push up her glasses and continue doodling. PS, those doodles go for about -- up to $2,000 on eBay.

What did you think about her appearance in court, Jean?

CASAREZ: It`s the same thing that you`re saying. And Nancy, I was the one that told you that her chair is lower than her female defense attorney and her male defense attorney, and it makes her look like a little waif. And it makes her look so frail in court. I told you that several weeks ago, and now you`re seeing it for yourself.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. I want to go back into some of the testimony that came out today. And everybody, what`s so significant about this testimony is the entire defense theory is that Travis Alexander was a sex deviant that had Jodi Arias under his thumb, that he had abused her, belittled her, beaten her for so long that she finally snapped and thought she was acting in self-defense when she stabbed him 29 times and put a bullet entry wound above the right eyebrow, lodging below the left eye socket. That includes nine stab wounds to the back. Her claim is self- defense.

That all went straight down the tubes today when the defense -- wrongly, in my opinion, trial strategy-wise -- put up an ex-girlfriend. The ex-girlfriend came out on cross, said they never even had sex in almost a year. He was never cruel to her, never mean to her, never pressured her, painted the exact opposite picture of Travis Alexander than what the defense wanted.

Everybody, we are taking your calls. Out to Tracy in Florida. Hi, Tracy. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, I love you! Me and my best friend, Jane, think you`re the best. Love you! I was wondering about the (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Thank you. Thank you very much.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... in the picture? Hello?

GRACE: Yes, what about the sweatpants in the pictures?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did they ever recover them?

GRACE: Yes, dear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know she talked about them in interrogation. Did they ever recover the sweatpants from the picture?

GRACE: Good question. To you, Jean Casarez. What do we know about that?

CASAREZ: They did not recover those sweatpants, although she admitted to the detective that she had some like that. Yes, I do have some like that. Never recovered them.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: She`s in maximum?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is a maximum security inmate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This woman is a sociopath.

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: I`ll pass on that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you look into Jodi`s eyes, it`s like you`re staring into empty spaces.

ARIAS: I don`t know. I have no idea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) the other girl was kind of, like (INAUDIBLE) idolizes her (INAUDIBLE) kind of way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you didn`t really know Jodi, she would never tell you about herself.

ARIAS: ... the details about my life that he didn`t know about, intended to keep private.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back, everyone. We are taking your calls.

Everyone, just coming out of the courtroom after an explosive day in court.

Out to you, Matt Zarrell. Give me a recap of what went down in the courtroom in the last hours.

ZARRELL: OK, Nancy. The star witness today, Lisa Andrews, Travis Alexander`s former girlfriend, testified about a number of things on the defense`s behalf, saying that she felt used and dirty, in an e-mail she sent to Travis, also claiming sex was always on Travis`s mind.

However, on cross-examination, she admitted that Arias unannounced showed up at Travis`s house and then ran out when she saw Travis and Lisa Andrews. And jury questions, including Arias being referenced as a stalker.

GRACE: I find it very interesting, though, Matt, on cross-exam, that she revealed he never pressured her for sex and they never even had sex. I want to get back to the order of witnesses on the stand. What happened after she took the stand, Matt?

ZARRELL: OK. So the next witness after she took the stand was Desiree Freeman (ph). She was a friend of Travis Alexander`s, testified a little bit about one incident where they were in a car ride with Jodi Arias, and Travis got -- was trying to play a little joke on Arias, and then got upset with Arias. And the witness noted that Travis`s temper turned very quickly.

The next witness that`s on the stand is Daniel Freeman. He is the one who called Jodi Arias a couple days after Travis`s body was found to tell her that Travis was murdered.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Nicole in Florida. Hi, Nicole. What`s your question, dear?

Selena in New York. Hi, Selena. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I love your show. I have a quick statement and a question...

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... and I know you`re not going to like this, and I`m sorry.

GRACE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But we don`t really know who Travis is. You know, his friends know a part of him, but people are different behind closed doors.

And my question is, is that, is there even, like, a slight chance that she really was abused? Because nobody can really say what an abused woman looks like or acts. I was abused for four years, and I know that my ex- boyfriend, he never abused anybody else but me. So it`s like sort of the same situation. And nobody ever believed me when I tried to tell them. They kept saying, No, that`s not him. That`s not him. But I`m, like, You don`t know him behind closed doors.

I`m not condoning anything that she did. I think it`s completely wrong. But there`s a part of me that thinks there might be a slight possibility that she was somewhat abused.

GRACE: OK. Hold on. Hold onto the caller. Selena, New York, let me tell you that I represented crime victims in court for over a decade and volunteered at night at the battered women`s center on the hotline for 10 years. I`m on your side.

What is convincing -- and you`re right, many batterers, the people that know them would never believe it. But what convinces me that she was never battered before is that by the defense`s own theory, they are saying he had never beaten her before, that he had been emotionally abusive but had never beaten her before, but that the day of the murder that he, she believed, was going to a attack her.

Do I have that right, Christina Estes?

ESTES: That is the defense`s claim. And during opening statements, it was all about Travis allegedly manipulating and controlling Jodi and that she is a domestic violence victim, not necessarily in a physical sense but more in an emotional sense.

But I got to tell you, one of the last witnesses late this afternoon, Desiree Freeman, may have given a little boost to the defense in how she described a couple of instances. Matt referred to, to one where Travis sort of displayed a temper, and Desiree said she was shocked and thought his reaction was over the top.

And this was during a road trip that Desiree and her brother took with Travis and Jodi after Travis and Jodi had broken up, while Travis was dating Lisa Andrews. And she said during this time, it looked as if they were dating and that they were happy to be together.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And during the time that he was kissing, and again, not too get too much into this, he achieved an erection, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did not massage his erection, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He did not massage his own erection, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a biological response to your lips, wasn`t it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that, at that time, because of your inexperience you thought that he should have controlled his penis from becoming tumescent -- getting big just because he was kissing you? You thought that`s what the problem was, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it was because of your inexperience, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: As you see, some of the testimony became graphic in court today, and all of that was the defense`s attempt -- that was the defense witness -- to paint Travis Alexander as a sex deviant and an abuser. It backfired. It boomeranged right back and hit Arias in the head.

Unleash the lawyers, Mickey Sherman, criminal defense attorney, author of "How Can You Defend Those People?" Also Bradford Cohen, defense attorney out of Miami.

Let`s see the lawyers.

All right, Mickey, I find it interesting, and I`ve seen this over the many years that I`ve practiced. I`m sure you guys have, too. When the state has a witness that they decide not to call, the defense says, oh, there must be a great reason that they don`t want the witness. We want them. We want them. And that`s exactly what they did in this case. They put this former girlfriend up on the stand who was very chaste. She was a virgin at the time she married. She was a devout Mormon and she had been dating Travis Alexander for a year.

They`re trying to paint him as a sex freak. Well, as it turns out they never even had sex after a year, Mickey.

MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE?": If you believe her.

MORGAN: It didn`t work.

SHERMAN: If you believe her. And you know it`s also irrelevant. I`ve got to tell you, I expected Ashton Kutcher to come out --

GRACE: Good lord in heaven.

SHERMAN: I expected Ashton Kutcher --

GRACE: You are now trying to say she was lying?

SHERMAN: No, I`m just saying, what`s the difference? What`s the point? This is all character evidence. What they both need, both sides, is some physical evidence.

GRACE: It is.

SHERMAN: This is circumstantial evidence. But they`ve both chosen to try this case based on good character or bad character. And how a man acts with one woman does not dictate how he acts with another. Look at Ted Bundy, he had a relationship with some woman while he was killing others.

GRACE: OK. Put them up again. You know, I appreciate that, Mickey. And, as a matter of fact, you`re right. The fact that someone doesn`t abuse one girlfriend, doesn`t mean he won`t abuse the third girlfriend.

But the point is, Bradford Cohen, they`re trying to paint him out as an abuser, as a sex deviant, and they put this witness up and she said exactly the opposite.

BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, I think that -- you know, listen, it was -- it wasn`t a total bombshell against the defense because if you look at the jury questions, they really threw some red herrings out there and the jury actually bought it. The jury is actually asking, well, what`s your definition of cheating? Well, when was he cheating? Those questions are so irrelevant. Why that would play a part in this type of case?

The defense actually scored some points there because they`re detracting from what actually the physical evidence is. And in this case the physical evidence is so overwhelming that it`s really -- you know, they should have gone down the path of a crime of -- you know, crime of passion. It just -- I think they scored a couple points with that.

GRACE: OK. Put the lawyers back up.

Everybody with me, Mickey Sherman. You know him well. No stranger to a courtroom. Also Bradford Cohen, defense attorney in the Florida jurisdiction.

OK, guys, I`ve just come out of the courtroom and I want to tell you what I observed. All right? When the jurors -- there`s 18 jurors. When they came back in from a break, only one juror, a male, one, would look at Arias. Now that speaks volumes to me having tried cases since, you know, about 1984.

The one male would look at her. The women on the jury would visibly, physically -- I`m going to show what you they did. I don`t know if you`ve got a monitor, they`d go like this. They physically turn away from her. The men would look in the general direction but they were not looking at Arias. They were looking at a defense attorney that was standing up. Only one juror would meet Arias -- look at her in the face.

What does that mean to you, Mick?

SHERMAN: You know, that`s -- those are urban legends. I`ve seen that many, many times, as you clearly implied.

COHEN: I agree.

SHERMAN: That if they look at us, it`s OK. If they don`t look at us, it`s bad. That`s a lot of baloney.

GRACE: OK.

SHERMAN: But I`ll tell you, I don`t have that great regard for the jury because those questions, the series of questions they came out with would make a great assistant producer`s questions for contestants on "The Jerry Springer Show," but they have no business in a murder trial.

(LAUGHTER)

COHEN: Correct. Nancy, the issue about --

GRACE: OK, guys, we are quickly degenerating. Go ahead, quickly.

COHEN: Nancy, the issue about the jury looking or not looking.

GRACE: What?

COHEN: If you remember in the Michael Jackson case, they didn`t look at him when they -- when they came back with a not guilty.

GRACE: Yes, I don`t remember that. You`re right.

Out to clinical psychologist Seth Meyers joining me out of L.A.

Seth, what do you make of the defense claim that this was an abuser yet he never -- never physically beat her? You know, she was the one traveling 300 to 1,000 miles a clip to come pursue him. She was the one that slashed his car tires not once but twice, and of his girlfriend`s. She`s the one that hacked into his e-mail and his bank account.

How is it that he`s the abuser? How is -- how does that -- what kind of upside-down world does that happen in?

SETH MEYERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Exactly. It really doesn`t make any sense at all. You know, if he were an abuser, odds are and research shows this, that he probably would have engaged in aggressive behavior towards other women before. And we really don`t have any evidence of that.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: As we now turn our attention toward the defense of Jodi Arias, the big question is, of course, will she take the stand? That`s not unusual. That`s the question in every criminal trial. If the defense reviews history, they will not put her on the stand. I think that`s going to be very difficult, though, because Arias craves the limelight.

This week will tell the tale as to whether Arias is, A, guilty and, B, sentenced to the Arizona death row. The state has put up a great case. However, we have no idea what the defense is really going to do. The wild card, will Arias take the stand?

It`s very difficult to get a woman sentenced to the death penalty. It`s very rare that that happens. Everything will unfold this week as to whether she`s found guilty much less sent to death row. It`s all on the defense shoulder now.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She would be all over him and hugging on him and have her arms around him. He would not reciprocate that.

JODI ARIAS, ACCUSED OF KILLING TRAVIS ALEXANDER: I have no idea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I immediately said, Travis, you need to stay away from her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When we first started dating I was 19.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did he get really serious on you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. He started talking about marriage.

ARIAS: Think about your future husband, and how you disrespect not only yourself but him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This woman is a sociopath.

ARIAS: My actions, my thoughts, my words.

If you let him stay in your bed one more time or even sleep under the same roof as him, you`ll be giving the appearance of evil.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live here outside the Phoenix courthouse. What a blockbuster day in the courtroom today. First of all, take a listen to part of what happened in court.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was Travis ever abusive to you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did he ask you to have sex with him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you feel pressured to do anything?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did Travis ever make sexual advances to you while you were dating?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, just all it was was making out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you define cheating?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What I understood it to be and what I would still understand it to be is if you are --

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: I`m hearing in my ear right now we are being joined by Beth Karas from "In Session." She`s been in court all day with Jean Casarez as well.

Beth, what happened?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION (via phone): Well, you know, Nancy, what a day. The jury was in and out. The judge was holding court in chambers with the former girlfriend, Lisa Andrews. And it was a fascinating day because we saw a side of Travis Alexander towards other women that`s not at all the way Jodi Arias is saying he treated her. As you just played those juror questions to the former girlfriend, he was not pressuring her at all, he was a gentleman with her. She would admit she -- what little sexual contact they had which was basically kissing.

And -- the judge would not let the prosecution go into the reason why she broke up with Travis Alexander. She said strange things were happening and that`s when the judge took court into her chambers because she was hearing argument, I believe, on whether or not the prosecution could bring out these strange things where Jodi Arias stalking and slashing tires.

The judge didn`t let the jury hear about the slashing of tires, but she did let the jury hear that Jodi Arias was coming in uninvited and just kind of showing up. And she did actually call her a stalker at one point. So there`s something about the relationship between Travis Alexander and Jodi Arias which was different from the way he treated other women.

GRACE: Yes, I think that factor would be Jodi Arias herself, Beth. Now I find that a very, very interesting ruling by the judge, and she must have made that ruling because she`s being extra cautious, this being a death penalty case, because the defense opened the door. The defense, as we say, opened the door under the law to evidence that normally would not be admissible.

Now in this case Jodi Arias` past bad acts unless they proved, for instance, pattern, course of conduct, intent, scheme of mind, modus operandi, method of operation, MO, sometimes bad acts can come in under those narrow circumstances unless and until the defense opens the door. They brought on this witness to talk about how bad Travis Alexander was. They brought on the evidence of the relationship, so why couldn`t the state cross-examine her about the reason they broke up? The reason they broke up is because Jodi Arias was out slashing their tires.

KARAS: The state got in a little bit more, Nancy. What happened was, Lisa Andrews, her married name, said that there was one time when she saw Travis Alexander`s temper, and it kind of scared her. And she said, I don`t like that temper. Don`t be that way in front of me anymore. But it wasn`t really fully explained. And the state was able, on cross- examination, to get out why he got upset. He couldn`t say -- she couldn`t say slashed tires but it was because of destruction of property. So I believe that was when his tires were slashed he lost his temper. So it wasn`t at his girlfriend that he lost his temper, while one could argue he suspected Jodi, he was losing his temper at her.

GRACE: Out to special guest Dave Hall joining us out of Salt Lake City. A very dear friend of Travis Alexander`s.

Dave, I don`t think that`s fair. I don`t think that`s fair that the defense is painting Travis Alexander to be some abusive, angry, sex freak, when the only time this woman saw him get angry was when Jodi Arias slashed their tires. That doesn`t seem fair to Travis Alexander, to me, and I`ve had it up to here with the defense dragging the victim through the mud, through the mud. She`s already murdered him. Now she wants to destroy his reputation as well.

DAVE HALL, CLOSE FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: You know, Nancy, you are absolutely right. I came on the show a few weeks ago, and I`m still good friends with some of the girls that Travis has dated. And after talking to them, I knew that this testimony that came out today is going to be calling from the other ones that they want -- if they want to bring on other girlfriends.

The fact that Travis for many years bragged about being a virgin, made a pretty big deal about it, and all the girlfriends substantiate that he was saving himself for marriage. He was saving himself for the right woman. And, you know, Jodi came into his life and apparently, you know, that might not be the case. That he wasn`t a virgin based on the photos of the evidence that we are seeing in this trial.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: Well, I can tell you he was not a virgin. I can tell you that right now.

HALL: Jodi -- Jodi definitely knew how to manipulate men, how to use men and to get into their life. And she was obsessed with Travis. I mean, not only slashing his tires but slashing her tires, coming back and slashing his tires again. And then killing him with the same weapon that she was slashing tires with. She was not a novice with a knife.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: I want to go straight back to Travis`s friend Dave Hall.

What were you saying there at the end, Dave?

HALL: I was just saying how Jodi slashed all the tires of him and his girlfriend and then came and used that same weapon to slash his throat and kill him. She was not a novice with a knife. This was an obsessed woman with Travis.

GRACE: I think she was absolutely obsessed. The witness they put on the stand today backfired. Could you explain to me what you knew, if anything, about Arias and how you learned that Travis was dead?

HALL: Well, what I knew about Travis from conversations with him was that he had made some mistakes morally that went against our church beliefs and that he had started working with his bishop to get those taken care of. But he had told me that this is the first time that that had happened and after kind of wearing that big red badge of courage that I`m a virgin for so many years you don`t want to just come out and say to all your friends that are kind of using that as a nickname for you that hey, whoops, I screwed up, I had sex, you can`t use the nickname anymore on me.

And so he was -- he was embarrassed and shamed about that part of it. But all the other women that he was dating and stuff said, hey, look, he was a complete gentleman. The worst thing that this girlfriend can say is he grabbed my butt and so I asked him to stop that? I mean, come on, that`s a gentleman in most people`s books.

GRACE: You know, Dave, I`ve just been very distraught about the way Travis has been portrayed.

Beth Karas, there was a moment in court today where the victim`s family got very upset after a photo was shown of him with his neck sliced open.

KARAS: This came without warning, Nancy. And it was an autopsy photo of Travis Alexander`s upper half and really his head and his neck and the gaping wound ear to ear was front and center in that photo. Up on the screen for everyone to see. It came unannounced. And Travis Alexander`s siblings, a brother and two sisters, were in court. Now, they -- they knew when this kind of testimony was coming up because an M.E. was on the stand or something.

They didn`t know this was about to happen. And so they -- audibly started crying. And both sisters left. Jurors reacted to it. I mean, looked over. You couldn`t help it. Jodi Arias started crying. And what Juan Martinez was doing was making a comparison between how Travis Alexander had treated her. Oh, he was maybe not very understanding of her desire to be a teacher, and there was some heavy petting and she wanted it to stop and don`t grab my butt.

And he said but wait, did it deserve this? And then he throws the picture up there. Kind of I think maybe he wanted to bring the jurors back to what the case was about because it seemed like the defense was making a little bit of headway today just showing a different side of Travis Alexander, and Juan Martinez wanted to set the record straight from his perspective.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: We remember American hero, Marine Lance Corporal Zachary Smith, just 19. Cornel, New York. Purple Heart, Combat Action Ribbon. Parents Chris and Kim. Brother Nate. Sister Grace. Widow Ann.

Zachary Smith. American hero.

Beth was just describing a moment in court where the victim`s family saw a gaping wound from ear to ear and broke out in tears in the courtroom. The motion for mistrial was denied.

I want to go to Dr. William Morrone, medical examiner.

Dr. Morrone, as a crime victim I chose never to see my fiance`s body, but you have been in autopsies when families have identified a body. That`s a devastating effect on a family member.

DR. WILLIAM R. MORRONE, MEDICAL EXAMINER; FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST, TOXICOLOGIST (via phone): It is a devastating effect because people always want to remember the deceased. And when you remember the deceased from the last contact and they`re macerated like a piece of meat, they`re assassinated, they`re punished, that`s the vision you that get.

You don`t get the guy standing next to the ski hill holding lift tickets. You don`t get the guy on the surfboard. And he had multiple punctures and lacerations. His wound was decapitating through his windpipe. He was either cut like an assassin from behind, with his head pulled back when he was unconscious, or she sat on his chest and cut him open like a really hard piece of bread out of the oven.

You don`t want to remember that. That is just too graphic.

GRACE: Dr. Morrone, you are so right.

Everyone, as we go to break, a very special good night from Arizona friends, Chris and Miranda, with Wildlife World Zoo in Phoenix.

"DR. DREW" up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern here at the courthouse. And until then, good night, friend.

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Arias: Sex & The Exes

Aired January 30, 2013 - 21:00   ET


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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, the Jodi Arias trial -- murder, sex, and exes. Who was sleeping with whom? And when?

And the moment that made Jodi weep and Travis`s sister flee.

Plus, I`ll explain why Jodi might appear to be imitating her attorney.

And our exclusive with the man who actually went on dates with Jodi. Forget the courtroom. We have his cross-examination right here.

MARK EIGLARSH, ATTORNEY: Go ahead.

ABE ABDELHADI, DATED JODI: OK. Yes. Well, my point is this --

PINSKY: And later, match made in hell. This woman almost killed by an online date.

Let`s get started.

(MUSIC)

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Welcome to the show. We`ve got a lot of ground to cover this evening. My co-host this week, relationship expert Laura Baron. Got a great panel again.

Attorney Mark Eiglarsh at speaktomark.com.

Janine Driver, body language expert and author of "You Can`t Lie to Me." By the way, Janine, I`ve been reading that book. I love it.

But first up, sex -- it`s true. Sex has been the main event for the past two days in the Arias courtroom. Watch this. And a reminder, there`s some graphic language in here that I found stunning. But here it goes.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She even enjoyed I believe on two occasions anal sex, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Possibly once.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Possibly once. Could it have been two?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t recall.

UNIDENTIFEID MALE: Did your sex life with Jodi Arias involve wearing little boy`s underwear?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it involve putting her in schoolgirl outfits and pigtails? Did it involve calling her a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you remember telling him that you had previously told him to not grab your butt?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And especially not in public?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But that he persisted in doing it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During the time that he was kissing -- and again, not to get too much into this. He achieved an erection, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did not massage his erection, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He did not massage his own erection, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a biological response to your lips, wasn`t it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: What goes on in the courtroom these days? Laura, I thought I was -- I`d heard enough last night. Then it gets more explicit and weird today.

What would you think if you were sitting in that jury box?

LAURA BARON, CO-HOST: I would think that I stepped into a porn. I mean, this is unbelievable. The thing that makes me crazy about Jodi is that right before she kills him, that she had all of this sexual play, she has the picture of her hair in pigtails, that we know that they were having this raucous sexual play.

The question I`ve got for you, Drew, is do you think that manipulation is something that gave her the courage to kill this guy? Did she turn into a different character?

PINSKY: Well, that`s what we`re going to kind of explore later on, is whether or not -- Janine particularly feels that she is so empty inside that she could have flipped from one thing to another. We`re going to look at the evidence for that.

We were also, after the commercial break, going to bring Abe back. And he had dated Jodi Arias at one time. And you heard what happened last time. We`ll show you in a little while what happened last night with him.

We`re going to get into something very interesting with him, and I suggest you stick around for that.

But before that, joining us from "In Session", correspondent Beth Karas.

Beth, last night you sort of rocked me with some of the language that was going on in the courtroom. Today, more of it. Why? And then what else happened in court?

BETH KARAS, "IN SESSION" CORRESPONDENT: Well, the sex talk is pretty necessary because the defense is saying that Jodi Arias was nothing but the dirty little secret, the booty call for Travis Alexander, certainly in those months before she moved away and before she killed him.

But the state is saying no way, this woman was obsessed with him, it was a fatal attraction, she was a willing participant, and he wasn`t abusing her and taking advantage of her sexually.

Now, jurors asked some really interesting questions of this former girlfriend whose relationship was quite the contrary. She did not have a sexual relationship with him despite kissing. I mean, that was as far as it went.

And the juror said to the witness, well, was he ever abusive to you? No. Did you ever call Jodi Arias a stalker? Yes.

Questions were quite revealing from the jury. We get an idea where they`re headed.

Also, Drew, there was a moment when court came to a screeching halt. There were gasps and tears and jurors were -- all the jurors turned and looked at Travis Alexander`s family because the prosecutor, in questioning this former girlfriend, threw up an autopsy photo of Travis Alexander, and his family didn`t know it was coming. No one did.

And it was a -- one of the most graphic photos of -- his head, his neck, and it showed the gaping wound of his neck. And what he was doing was contrasting how Travis Alexander treated her, cheating on her with Jodi Arias, to how Jodi Arias treated him, slitting his throat all the way back to his spine.

PINSKY: We`re looking at footage, Beth, of the family running out of the room there. I actually had been wanting to show my viewers that footage. I think it speaks volumes about what happened that night. I understand the network is not interested in subjecting people to that that may not want to be. I totally am supportive of that. So we`re not going to show it.

But, boy, you have a visceral reaction when you -- Beth, I`m sure you`ve had it, having seen that footage. I`ve seen it myself. That you get a sense of the words like rage and fury are not sufficient to express how somebody could ever -- it`s barbaric -- do that kind of thing to another person. Do you agree?

I think we`re losing Beth.

KARAS: Absolutely, I agree, yes. I know we`re having a little audio issue --

PINSKY: Beth, I`m going to interrupt you because -- Beth, I`m sorry. You`re having technical problems out there. You sound like you`re in the back of a room. Your mike isn`t working or something. But I am going to go out to real quick --

BARON: Hey, Drew.

PINSKY: Yes, Janine? Is that Laura?

BARON: Drew, 11 men -- there`s 11 men on this jury. Do you think that that`s why they`re really concentrating on the stalker part of it with her? Do you think it`s men thinking -- you know, they all say that they don`t want the crazy one but we`ve had plenty of conversations where men will go for someone that`s even just a little bit crazy? Do you think they`re thinking for themselves, too?

PINSKY: No. I really don`t.

Janine, let me go to you. Janine, in terms of the profiling of this woman, do you think the way they`re trying to paint this picture has something to do with the makeup of the jury?

JANINE DRIVER, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: I don`t know. I think it`s going to be interesting. Nancy grace earlier -- hi. Can you hear me, Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Got you now. We got you.

DRIVER: Dr. Drew?

Nancy Grace on her show earlier tonight was talking about how she saw in the courtroom today that the jurors came back, only one man actually looked towards Jodi Arias. All the other men looked at one of the attorneys that were standing up. None of the women looked in her direction.

And I think at the end of the day, you know, do you really ever know where they`re looking, what their verdict is going to be? You know, is she going to get the death penalty? I don`t know.

But I don`t think it looks so good for Jodi Arias today based on the body language of the jury coming in with what Nancy said.

PINSKY: I think that`s absolutely right. It`s really interesting that the defense seems to be flailing. And every time they throw something up there, Laura, it seems like it goes against them.

BARON: Yes. Yes. Well, you`ve got a woman that has gone crazy, slicing a dude for 28 times. I don`t know how they could possibly defend her.

And as a woman, I find it so insulting, again, that they are just coming up with this abuse thing when this chick was in pigtails before she sliced this man to death. Look at that poor family. It is so upsetting.

PINSKY: Yes. I know. And a reminder that it`s a victimizing the victim once again.

BARON: Yes.

PINSKY: Mark, I`ve not gone to you yet. But you are going to take center stage in just a second because we hand you yesterday cross-examining some of our guests on the show last night, and tonight, Mark and Abe Abdelhadi will go at it again.

Are you ready, Mark?

EIGLARSH: Yes, I`m not going to go at it. I just want to extract information that supports his theory that he should have been called by the prosecutors in this case. That`s all.

PINSKY: All right. Well, I put the state of Florida seal behind you to give you the gravitas --

EIGLARSH: Yes, thanks. Thank you, my friend.

PINSKY: -- of a courtroom. We`ll see what we put behind Abe yet. So --

EIGLARSH: How about a big -- how about a big retainer fee? You know, can you arrange that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As long as it`s not --

PINSKY: Later, a match made in hell. One woman`s online dating horror story.

And even later in the show, I`m going to talk to you about something called a Vaportini. You won`t believe that.

Be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

EIGLARSH: Abe opined that she was guilty, and he said it was based upon things that she had said to him in telephone calls. What else would you have testified to had that been brought out?

ABDELHADI: My point is this. So two days later when she told me she was getting back together with her boyfriend, the only guy I knew of was the gentleman she lived with in Palm Springs for four years. I didn`t even know she dated Travis.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: And that was from last night`s show. I`m back with my co- host this week, Laura Baron.

Also back tonight, special guest Abe Abdelhadi, who had dated Jodi Arias briefly and made it out with his life.

And at Mark Eiglarsh`s request, he`s here to continue last night`s cross-examination.

Now, you`ll notice those of you, if you guys can see me in the monitor, I`m between you two hotheads.

So, Counselor, before you begin questioning, there are several points that first I wanted to give Abe a chance to make. And some things you didn`t let him say last night he`d like to say tonight before you start your questioning.

Go ahead, Abe.

ABDELHADI: Well, first, before the commercial there was a comment made that I had an issue with wasn`t -- with what wasn`t asked by the prosecution. That was not my issue. My issue was after testifying by phone on Monday that the defense needed 24 hours to prepare questions for me.

Now, I thought that was interesting because the next day I was expecting significant questions if you`re looking for prosecutorial misconduct, if that`s the term. I`m a layman in these matter. So I expect your patience, Mark.

But the challenge I had with the defense attorney was he didn`t ask anything about my involvement in the situation, what I had to say, my story. It was all about what was said when or not said when by the prosecution, which I thought was ridiculous.

And had he asked me questions about what I knew and when I knew it, I thought that would have been a more salient defense. But he failed.

And so, that was my point last night and then we had our little exchange.

PINSKY: Abe --

ABDELHADI: You`re a good sport.

PINSKY: Can I interrupt? You were also concerned about messing up the prosecution`s case in some way by triggering a mistrial. Is that accurate?

ABDELHADI: Well, no. I just didn`t want to do anything that was so hotheaded that was going to get me a contempt of court or something and --

PINSKY: I see, I see.
ABDELHADI: -- all of a sudden now the defense can jump all over that --

PINSKY: Got it. This judge that stands between you two today, no such contempt. We don`t have contempt in this court.

So go at it, Mark. Let`s hear.

EIGHLARSH: OK. Abe, first of all, thanks for agreeing to do this. I want to cover whatever your testimony would be if the prosecution were to call you like you suggested they should have.

You met her in 2006 --

ABDELHADI: No, I did not -- stop. Wait, Mark. Mark? Stop, stop, stop. I did not suggest the prosecution should call me. Let`s get that clear.

EIGLARSH: Well, you certainly suggested --

(CROSSTALK)

ABDELHADI: What I said was --

EIGLARSH: You did say that you had facts that should have been elicited about your relationship that could have shed light on the prosecution`s case, did you not?

ABDELHADI: Which was -- which was incumbent on the defense if he was going to take 24 hours to question me.

EIGLARSH: Let`s get to your story, Abe. Here we go.

ABDELHADI: So, you`re going to hear my --

EIGLARSH: So when you first started talking with --

ABDELHADI: OK. Well --

EIGLARSH: You first started talking with Jodi shortly after you met her in September 2006. This was on the telephone. Is there anything that occurred during the telephonic communication between you two that you think should have come to light in this trial?

ABDELHADI: Not at that time, no.

EIGLARSH: OK. So then you started dating --
ABDELHADI: Between meeting her in September 2000 (ph) -- we got chummy and had a lunch and then had a dinner. Yes.

EIGLARSH: OK. Other than the Barnes & Noble, which was the last date that you went on, I want to talk about the initial dates. You went on a couple of dates apparently.

Was there anything that occurred during those dates that you think the prosecution should have elicited in front of this jury?

ABDELHADI: Hanging out with other people at events. I wouldn`t call those dates. And there was nothing unusual at that time, no. The lunch was nice. Dinner, that`s when things got a little interesting.

EIGLARSH: OK. So, Barnes & Noble was your final date, correct?

ABDELHADI: We had dinner and then we went to Barnes & Noble, yes.

EIGLARSH: And there you were in the philosophy section. And apparently, she lies to you and claims that she was dabbling in Mormonism when in reality she had been baptized November 2006, even before you guys had started dating.

So you said she lied to you. Is that something that you think the prosecutors or the defense should have brought out?

ABDELHADI: Well, definitely the defense could have chased me down on that if he was into doing his job and not chasing down some prosecutorial misconduct nonsense, number one.

EIGLARSH: OK.

ABDELHADI: Number two, I had no idea she was lying to me at the time except for a couple days later when I asked her -- when she told me she wasn`t going to see me anymore, that was fine. She told me she was dating Travis. I mentioned that he was Mormon. She said, yes.

I said, isn`t that the person that led you to Mormonism? And she said, well, he showed it to me but I made my own decision.

PINSKY: Hey, Mark --

ABDELHADI: Well, now a decision`s not dabbling, isn`t it? It`s amazing what two days does.

PINSKY: Mark --

EIGLARSH: Yes, Judge Drew.


PINSKY: Abe told me he had a very strong sort of intuition that she was guilty. Is there any way the prosecution could have elicited that in court without, as you say, opining?

EIGLARSH: One hundred percent, absolutely not. Any thoughts that he had whatsoever about her guilt would have caused a mistrial because it`s for the jury to decide the ultimate question of fact in this case as to whether she was. What he thinks is absolutely irrelevant and not legally 50 admissible. OK?

PINSKY: All right.

We have to take a quick break --

ABDELHADI: So the defense in other words -- wait, so the defense, in other words, by not eliciting my, quote, "opinion" over an 18-month period was, quote-unquote, "doing their job" by chasing down prosecutorial misconduct?

EIGLARSH: OK. Are we going to continue on, Drew?

ABDELHADI: Is that his job?

EIGLARSH: So let`s talk about --

PINSKY: I will let you answer that question, Mark.

ABDELHADI: I`m asking an honest question. I`m not going to risk a $1,500 fine. I`m going to ask an honest question.

PINSKY: Abe, I get you. And Mark`s going to give you an honest answer after we come back.

After we finish this session between these two, we`re going to go on to another topic. Millions of you people meet online through online dating sites without a problem. How do you know if a date itself might turn deadly? This is a situation we`re looking at here where a woman had a male stalker very much like Jodi Arias. It went bad. We`ll talk about it later.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sometimes you felt that he wanted you just for your body?

LISA DAIDONE, VICTIM`S EX-GIRLFRIEND: I did say that in the e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You felt that it was a way for him to let out some sexual tension? Did that make you feel used and dirty? Did you tell him you thought it was vulgar and unattractive when a man talks about sex as much as he did?
DIADONE: I did say that.

I came to the understanding that he was cheating on me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know who he was cheating with?

DIADONE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who is that?

DIADONE: Jodi Arias.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: That was Travis Alexander`s ex-girlfriend testifying on behalf of the defense.

I`m back with my co-host Laura Baron, and we`re talking about the relationships and the sexual conversations that went on in court today. The Jodi Arias case.

All right. Mark, I`m going to give you now a chance to respond to Abe`s comment at the end of the last segment.

EIGLARSH: Well, let`s have him repeat it. What was the question?

ABDELHADI: My question basically is -- well, your phrase earlier when you said that the prosecution would make a mistake. I`m not expecting -- again, I`m not expecting the prosecution to do anything but present the state`s case.

My question in this situation was the defense attorney had all night after I testified on Monday to come up with something credible to ask me. And on Tuesday, all he can think of to ask me was prosecutorial, did he do this, did he do that, when did he call you last?

And I was able to actually bring up the fact that his investigator never called me back after I offered a three-way call with the prosecutor once I talked to my own attorney. So, isn`t it the defense`s job if you`re going to do prosecutorial misconduct to let`s dismantle the witness?

He didn`t do that. He went after all these ticky tack things he`s been doing since day one of this trial.

EIGLARSH: That`s the strategy they chose to take. If they asked you anything more, then a lot of the stuff we`re discussing right now may then come into evidence. As we`ve seen, you may then hurt their case just like many other witnesses they`ve called had.


So, yes, they`re probably afraid of some of the things you have to say, like the following. When you were on a date with her at the Barnes & Noble and you began to make out in the parking lot and you checked to see whether she was wearing a thong, apparently you said to her, this isn`t magic underwear, which apparently is a Mormon reference and then she responded, "No, but there`s magic in them."

Is that something you that think that either side should have elicited?

ABDELHADI: Well, if I was going to testify for the prosecution, it`s up to them. Mr. Martinez is a credible attorney. He obviously knows what he`s doing. And obviously, it would bring up the fact that she is sexually aware.

This isn`t the Quaker lady. You know, forget the Mother Theresa routine with the glasses and the blouse. She was a sexy woman. She was aggressive. She was assertive. She had confidence about her body.

BARON: Hey, Abe -- Abe, you told us yesterday -- Abe, you told us yesterday that you went after her because she was younger and she was hot. And now that you see that she slashed a guy 28 times, what is this doing to your dating life? Are you watching how women are cutting steaks now?

ABDELHADI: Maybe a little bit. Sure. You know, fool me once, shame on me. You know, fool me twice. I get a knife in the back. So I`ve got to be careful, don`t I?

BARON: Yes. Has it gotten you pretty paranoid?

EIGLARSH: Abe, is there anything else --

ABDELHADI: Not paranoid. Just self-aware.

BARON: Yes.

EIGLARSH: Abe, is there anything else that you have to offer that you didn`t share with us yet that you think is relevant for either the defense or --

ABDELHADI: Well, over -- yes.

EIGLARSH: What?

ABDELHADI: I mean, here`s the thing. And this is probably why the defense didn`t ask me a lot of questions. Over the subsequent 18 months after we quit going out, we talked a lot on the phone, maybe six weeks, a couple of months.

And there were little things she would say or drop in that at the time I didn`t think anything of. But apparently in hindsight being 20-20, now it`s an issue, isn`t it? You know, things like, "I don`t know what I`ll do if I can`t have them."

EIGLARSH: Like what?

ABDELHADI: "He`d be an excellent father for my children. I want to marry him" -- things that I`m saying to you right now.

EIGLARSH: OK, go ahead.

ABDELHADI: These are the things that he said to me, OK?

EIGLARSH: "I don`t know what I would do without him." OK.

(CROSSTALK)

ABDELHADI: I don`t know what I`d do without him. He`d be --

EIGLARSH: You would have shared that with the prosecutor --

ABDELHADI: Go ahead.

EIGLARSH: I know you guys spoke on the phone a couple times and you had a face-to-face meeting in 2011 in preparation for trial. He chose not to call you to the stand. Why do you think he chose not to call you?

ABDELHADI: And unlike some people I don`t take it personally because the prosecutor is paid to do his job. And unlike some people I don`t have the desire to, you know, get a book out of this or something like that.

This isn`t -- this isn`t fun and games. I mean, a lot of these shows, they can be what they are. Thank God I respect Drew. But to be honest with you, this isn`t fun and games.

A man is murdered, brutally. And instead of asking material questions to the situation, we are going on and on about when the detective thought he was shot in the head or wasn`t. Did she drive 15 hours? Did she have a knife and stick it in his back multiple times? Did she almost cut his head off?

Did she take pictures of it? Did she shoot him in the face afterwards? These are questions.

EIGLARSH: And the prosecutor --

(CROSSTALK)

ABDELHADI: They`re bringing up all this stuff --


EIGLARSH: The question to you is, Abe, what is your motivation? You`ve been on twice now. You`ve been on other shows. You`re obviously very passionate about this.

Can you tell the viewers what your interest --

ABDELHADI: Actually, actually, correction. Actually -- actually, correction. I`ve been on this show.

PINSKY: Yes. Abe is very kind --

EIGLARSH: I`m glad you did. But what is your motivation?

PINSKY: I`m going to defend him on this one because I do have to go to break. Motivation is he was kind enough to come on. We`ve asked him to come back to undergo your examination, Mark, which ends right here. His motivation was that he was being very kind to us.

Abe, thank you very much for coming on --

BARON: Thanks, Abe.

EIGLARSH: Thanks, Abe. Be well.

PINSKY: I do appreciate what you`re --

ABDELHADI: Thank you, Mark. Thank you.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: This is serious, serious business. A man was brutally slaughtered in this case. And we`re trying to get into it.

Next up, I`m bringing Janine in. We`re going to talk about the Jodi Arias mirror effect. We`re going to show some pictures where she moves and dresses and has an unbelievable mirroring behavior of her attorney.

And later, something called the Vaportini.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

PINSKY: I`m back this week with my co-host, Laura Baron. Welcome back to the program.

Now, as I said at the break, we`re going to go into this mirror effect thing that I`ve been observing where Jodi Arias appears to be -- I`m not sure mimicking is the right word. She literally, and I think unconsciously, adopts the motor movements, the look, the hair, the affect of expressions on her face.

Janine Driver, I`m hoping you`re seeing the video we`re looking at right now where there is precise -- we`ve got lots of it. I hope there`ll be more airing during the segment -- where literally when the attorney moves her -- now, Janine, here`s what I want to ask you. Humans normally or often will mirror one another.

That`s sort of a sign of familiarity and comfort, but the degree to what she`s doing this somehow spooks me. Am I right here?

JANINE DRIVER, BODY LANGUAGE EXPERT: You are right. First of all, we do have mirror neurons in the frontal cortex -- you know, the frontal lobes of our brain. We know this from two decades ago. Researchers discovered this over in Italy that when a monkey would do something, another monkey watching them would have the same little firings going off in their brain.

So, it`s mirror neurons. That`s why when someone yawns, we yawn, right? I mean, wouldn`t you agree, Dr. Drew?

PINSKY: Yes. No. That`s right.

DRIVER: It`s when someone yawns, we yawn. So, that`s that mirror neuron. This naturally happens, but look at the severity, you know, when she moves her hands very slow, methodical, we see the same thing with the lawyer. Now, we know from emotional intelligence, Dr. Drew, that when there`s a position of power, we`re not in a social circle, but it`s a position of power whether it`s a parent to a child, a boss, a supervisor to an employee or a lawyer to their person they`re defending, we know the person of power will tend to set the lead in the emotional intelligence category.

So with mannerisms, with the modalities of how they`re behaving, and so, for me it makes sense. I think it`s creative. You know, we know that Jodi Arias even has her seat a little bit lower than her attorney to come across as this mild, meek little girl. But it is bizarre. I mean, today, we saw them both in the matching white outfits.

People like people like themselves, Dr. Drew. I think it`s creative to give them a little bit of an edge to say, listen, she`s just like a lawyer. I mean, what are your thoughts on mirror neurons? I know there`s some controversy on it.

PINSKY: Well, mirror neurons exist. The question is what is their function? And Laura, I`m going to have you ring in with me on this, which is I agree with what Janine is saying, but for me, sometimes, when people are so empty and are looking for an identity, that they are constantly mirroring other people and they`ve just -- we`ve heard chameleon-like over and over again when she is described.

And this may be an adaptation for somebody that is so empty on the inside that she has nothing to project to the world other than what she sees coming in. So, it`s not merely just the usual sort of familiarity that we would expect from a healthy person. What do you think, Laura?

LAURA BARON, RELATIONSHIP COACH: I think that what`s so interesting about this is, yes, she is clearly mirroring. But I`m looking for those little points of seduction with Jodi Arias, because that is clearly who this woman is, a manipulator and a seductress. And when her ex-boyfriend was on the stand, for example, the other day, she had that look in her eye like, yes? What else are you going to say?

So, I find it incredibly intriguing that her lawyer is allowing this because I actually think it discredits the lawyer a little. Like really? You want a mini me that`s actually a murderer?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Drew, can I throw something out here?

PINSKY: Please, Mark, go.

EIGLARSH: I`ve been in many trials, and clients finally find a lawyer that they trust. They must have spent hours together. She -- Jodi probably looks up to this lawyer very much. And, you know, this is somebody that she wants to emulate. She wants to be liked. She`s never been in court like this before. So, she`s thinking, well, how do I act? What do I do? What do I say?

And the best example she has is this role model that`s taken on her case that cares, apparently, a lot about her. So, she might just be mirroring how she thinks she`s supposed to behave based upon what she sees this role model, this friend, this attorney acting like.

PINSKY: No, I think, Mark --

(CROSSTALK)

BARON: -- that if there weren`t so many little inconsistencies in who she is. Is she the schoolgirl? Is she the seductress? Is she the mad killer? Now, she`s the --

EIGLARSH: Well, she`s acting. There`s no question -- listen, we all agree, she`s acting. This is theater. Everyone understands that. Yes, somebody died here and it`s all about justice, but understand, at the end of the day, they will do whatever it takes to win. So, there is theater going on here for sure.

BARON: Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: But Janine, the only way I can understand the how she flipped into that murderous rage is if she flips from one thing to the next quite readily. And one of the things she might flip into is whomever she`s in front of.

BARON: Yes.

DRIVER: Well, listen, Dr. Drew, we all have different hats. At the end of the day, I`m a little different with my husband than I am with my seven-year-old son, Angus, than I am with my mother, who`s 65 fighting breast cancer. You know, I put on a little different hat. I`m more empathetic here. I`m a little more, you know, fussy, I might call it, with my husband. But this is the suspicious part with Jodi Arias with this mirroring.

We know in sales, we know in natural mirroring, my mother drinks a cup of iced tea, natural mirroring happens three to four seconds afterwards. We do this with people we`re in rapport with. What`s suspicious here with me watching Jodi Arias with her counsel is that it`s happening right away. The hair gets touched. Bam, two seconds later, less than two seconds.

PINSKY: That`s it.

DRIVER: -- right away.

PINSKY: Janine, that`s it. No, that`s it. That doesn`t happen normally. That`s not normal. That`s why I get the weird feeling when I see it.

(CROSSTALK)

BARON: Anybody seeing how seductive this woman is?

EIGLARSH: Can I ask something --

PINSKY: Well, Mark, finish it up and then I`ve got to go. Finish it up.

EIGLARSH: Is this really that abnormal? I guess, I`m equating it to --

PINSKY: Yes.

EIGLARSH: -- you know, I`m a Jew. I go into a church. I don`t know how to act. I look around. I start imitating people. Should I kneel, should I stand, should I give money? I don`t know what to do. And I think this --

PINSKY: Janine --

EIGLARSH: -- foreign territory to her and she`s trying to act so to fit in.

DRIVER: I`ll tell you why it`s not normal. Even in sales. When we teach people in sales to mirror someone so you increase your bottom line, you know what we say? If he does this behind his ear, you don`t do the same exact thing, instead, you might grab your chin. When we mirror exactly, which is what we`re seeing here, it`s robotic. It`s like an old black-and-white movie from the 1940s.

PINSKY: That`s it.

DRIVER: It`s almost comical, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: And I say -- well, I say that`s subconscious because you can`t do that -- no one has that level of concentration, even if it`s theater. Mark, I`ve got to go here. Janine, thank you so much. And by the way, Janine, our thoughts are with your mom. I know she`s struggling with a serious illness.


BARON: Yes.

DRIVER: Thank you.

PINSKY: And our thoughts and prayers are with her. So, we appreciate you coming in tonight through all that.

DRIVER: We`ll take them. Thank you.
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-defense-attacks-travis-alexander-testimony/story?id=18355580
Jodi Arias Trial Shocked Into Tears by Photo of Victim's Slashed Throat
January 30, 2013

The courtroom at the Jodi Arias murder trial was shocked -- and Arias began sobbing -- when the prosecutor stunned them by suddenly flashing a photograph of Arias' ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander with his throat slashed open.

Alexander's sisters and friends burst into tears and one ran out of the courtroom when prosecutor Juan Martinez held up the grisly picture of Alexander with his throat slashed and bloodied.

Arias, who is on trial for allegedly murdering Alexander, sobbed uncontrollably at the sight of the photo. She is accused of stabbing Alexander 27 times, slashing his throat, and shooting him twice in the head in a bout of jealousy. She could face the death penalty if convicted.

In the moments before the incident, Martinez was questioning Lisa Daidone, who dated Alexander in 2007 after Alexander's break up with Arias but while he and Arias continued to sleep together. The defense had gone painstakingly through an angry email Daidone had sent Alexander to break up with him, after she found out he was cheating on her with Arias.

"Do you think that even with everything they claimed he put you through, do you think it is appropriate to take a knife and slash somebody's throat?" Martinez yelled.

"Is this what a normal relationship looks like to you?" Martinez shouted as he held up the picture amid shouts of "objection" from the defense and gasps from onlookers.
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Jodi Arias Murder Trial: Defense Witnesses
Dan Abrams discusses the trial of a woman accused of killing her ex-boyfriend.

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Do you know if the jail allows jodi arias to watch Hln or news coverage regarding her case? Just curious
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This ipad types what it wants lol I meant muffybee
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« Reply #130 on: January 31, 2013, 08:25:10 PM »

Omg I could slap this ipad it typed muddy eye grrr
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« Reply #131 on: January 31, 2013, 09:36:57 PM »

Omg I could slap this ipad it typed muddy eye grrr

 
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« Reply #132 on: January 31, 2013, 11:27:16 PM »

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1301/31/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Will Jodi Arias Jury Hear Phone Sex Tape?

Aired January 31, 2013 - 19:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST; Another explosive day in the Jodi Arias murder trial. Is there a behind-the-scenes struggle to play a phone sex tape between Travis and Jodi to smear victim Travis Alexander without Jodi ever having to take the stand?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight, Jodi Arias` downward spiral. How did she go from popular student to accused murder? Did a failed affair make her snap and kill Travis Alexander in cold blood?

Plus Jodi`s jailhouse paintings have sold for hundreds of dollars online. I`ll talk exclusively to her high-school art teacher who calls Jodi the perfect student. What was she really like back in high school?

JODI ARIAS, MURDER DEFENDANT (via phone): I know that I talked to him early Monday morning.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You told her that Travis was gone. There was a moment of silence. And then she began to what, cry?

ARIAS: I wasn`t there that day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi, you were there that day.

ARIAS: I ran. And he was still like conscious and still alive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You didn`t want to be alone with him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was always dressed very conservative.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He took a picture of you while you were in the shower, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t ask her to take that picture. She took that picture of you, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

ARIAS: I asked him if I could take pictures in the shower and he`s like, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He liked that when I was there or when I or my sister were there, that they weren`t as physical.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was Travis ever abusive to you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe not the physical abuse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever see him strike anything?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think Jodi just -- she snapped.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, an epic battle of the tapes inside the Jodi Arias courtroom. Will the jury hear the graphic X-rated phone sex call between Jodi and the man cops say she murdered in cold blood?

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell coming to you live.

The stunning 32-year-old photographer admitted she stabbed Travis Alexander 29 times, slit his throat ear to ear and shot him in the face, but she says, oh, it was all done in self-defense.

During opening statements, the defense promised the jury would hear a scandalous and explicit phone conversation between Jodi and Travis they say proves Travis sexually degraded Jodi. We`ve got to warn you this language is graphic, but this is what Jodi`s defense attorney said in open court.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: In this phone call he talks about his fantasies, his fantasies with Jodi of tying her to a tree and putting it -- forgive me -- in her (EXPLETIVE DELETED) all the way.

Jodi pretends to climax during this phone call. Travis tells her that she sounds like a 12-year-old girl who was having an orgasm for the first time. And then he tells her, it`s so hot.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: This afternoon, the judge suddenly booted everybody out of the courtroom for hours. The speculation: that she wanted to hear that phone sex call before it could be played in open court.

Can the defense play this incriminating tape without making Jodi take the stand in order to do it? Or does she need to sing on the witness stand if they want these tapes admitted?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS (singing): O holy night the stars are brightly shining. It is the night of our dear savior`s birth.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Should the jury hear these steamy phone sex calls? What do you think? Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS, 1-877-586-7297.

But first, just moments ago, an explosive end to the day`s court session.

Straight out to "In Session" correspondent Beth Karas. You were in court. You say what happened when a forensics technology expert may have inadvertently shown us where the defense is going. You saw the photo. Tell us what you saw, what happened immediately after, and what it portends for the defense.

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Well, he was talking about looking at a hard drive that belonged to a laptop. Now the laptop he had just been describing was in Travis Alexander`s home and had been used at about 4 to 4:30 in the morning the day Jodi Arias arrived. That was June 4. He would be dead about 12 hours later.

Now, he said he looked at this hard drive, and he retrieved photos from it. And he could not say whose photo it -- who it belonged to, but we could see the photo.

And Jennifer Willmott, the defense attorney, tried to have it admitted into evidence. It was objected to. But it was a photo of a large, erect penis. And that`s all that was in the photo. And it was a big one.

And the prosecutor stood up to do a voir dire, because he was challenging the basis for admitting this evidence. He says, "You don`t know who this photo belongs to."

He said, "No."

"That`s not your area of expertise."

He said, "No."

Objection, sidebar. They talked in a sidebar with the judge, the attorneys, and then the judge said, "Bye, you`re going home for the weekend. See you next Monday."

So we don`t know what`s going to happen with this photo, whether it`s ever going to come in, but if it was on Travis Alexander`s hard drive, then, of course, the defense is going to use this as part of Travis Alexander`s deviancy, that he`s keeping pictures of -- maybe there are other penises. Maybe it`s his own. Why he`s doing it, they`ll question that. I don`t know if there`s anything wrong with this, but they will use it for their defense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Thank you for that explanation.

Remember the good old days where, if you`re accused of killing somebody, you`ve got to take the stand in your own defense and swear to tell the truth, the truth and nothing but the truth?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry it happened.

SAM WATTERSON, ACTOR: Yes. After your birthday like that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m just sorry it happened.

WATTERSON: Nothing you can say will make it better, is that right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I guess not.

WATTERSON: Not even the truth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you mean?

WATTERSON: I mean the truth about why you killed this man.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That kind of testimony, is it becoming old-fashioned?

Now social media changing the game of the courtroom. Attorneys are using texts and e-mails and voice mails to get testimony in without ever calling the defendant.

This defense just had their forensics guy refer to evidence he found on Travis` computer showing somebody at 4 in the morning hours before he was killed, watching a YouTube video called "Daft Punk Harder, Faster, Stronger." Appears to be a music video. But then you hear about this photograph of an erect penis. This is the kind of stuff that is now maybe replacing testimony in court.

Let`s debate it with our extraordinary team of legal experts. We`re delighted to have with us Gloria Allred, the famed victims` rights attorney; as well as other excellent attorneys, Areva Martin, Evangeline Gomez and Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor.

We start with you, Wendy. Has the game changed?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, there`s no question prosecutors and defense attorneys and investigators are looking deeper into these sources of technological private space, if you will, but just because something exists on your laptop doesn`t change the very old legal standard of relevancy.

In other words, just because it`s there doesn`t make it probative, doesn`t help us to understand the truth any better, in this case or in any other case. Technology doesn`t change the fact that the jury, even if it sees the picture of the penis from the hard drive, wink, is going to say, "Oh, well, there you go. Now we know whether she`s guilty or not."

They`re probably going to look at that kind of evidence and say to themselves, "Boy, this really emphasizes the fact that Jodi never herself got on the stand," which is going to make her look even more guilty.

So I don`t see why this helps her at all. It`s a little titillating. It`s a lot distracting, but it tells us nothing about what happened.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on a second. Let`s debate this. Because Gloria Allred, famed victims` rights attorney, you were telling me how you have two I.T. people in your staff because this is the kind of evidence that really sings to a jury.

GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Yes, they`re just downloading evidence all the time. Texts, e-mails, photos.

I don`t know, is this a dancing penis? Is this just an erect penis? Whose penis is it? I don`t know. But here we are in the middle of the murder trial discussing it. So Wendy`s right: is there relevancy? That`s going to have to be shown. How does this get tied up to the defense? We`ll have to wait and see.

But people need to be aware that, you know, when you`re using social media, somehow that might end up either in a criminal case or a civil case, or even somebody from your job may view it like an employer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and don`t lose your phone.

Evangeline Gomez, here`s my question. They`ve got this sex tape. They`ve got a phone sex tape. She records it. Should they be able to play it without her having to take the stand?

EVANGELINE GOMEZ, ATTORNEY: Yes. They should be able to play it without Jodi taking the stand. Let`s remember, she is not required to take the stand. She has constitutional rights that allow her not to take the stand. And again she`s not going to be held to be presumptively guilty if she doesn`t take the stand.

They can have it come on in through the use of experts. Experts can testify. You can have someone testify as to whether or not that`s her voice, whether or not that`s his voice; psychological experts; social workers.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But Areva Martin, a lot of people find that concept offensive, that, oh, you`ve got to lay the foundation. You can`t just throw up this tape out of context.

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: You`re right, Jane. There are a lot of issues with foundation with respect to this tape.

And more importantly, I don`t know how this tape helps the defense. It just shows that this man and this woman were engaged in some pretty salacious sexual activity both, you know, when they got together as well as over the phone. And we`ve heard about these, you know, sex-texting that they were doing, as well.

But what we haven`t heard to date is anything that suggests that Travis was aggressive or that he was violent. And for the defense to have a chance in this case, they`ve got to make Travis a violent person. They`ve got to give us a reason why Jodi stabbed this guy 29 times, shot him in the face, left the scene of this crime, told people the exact opposite of what happened, and has recanted her story, and now has told us two or three different stories...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Or do they? This man was not here to defend himself anymore and paint him to be somebody who is a sex pervert with sex on the brain, sex on the computer, sex on the phone, and make him less sympathetic to the jurors so they don`t give her the death penalty?

We`ve seen some of Jodi Arias` artwork sell for hundreds of dollars on eBay. And next we are going to talk to her high-school art teacher, who knew Jodi very well and has the missing piece of the puzzle. What makes this woman tick?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLMOTT: While he continued this facade of being a good and virginal Mormon man, he was inwardly dealing with his own sexual issues.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did your sex life with Jodi Arias involve wearing little boys` underwear? Did it involve bending her over desks?

DARRYL BREWER, EX-BOYFRIEND OF JODI ARIAS: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, 911 emergency.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A friend of ours is dead in his bedroom.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The state of Arizona versus Jodi Ann Arias.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s lots of blood.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Count one, first degree murder, premeditated murder.

WILLMOTT: Jodi was Travis` dirty little secret.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone lately?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has.

ARIAS: I wouldn`t use obsession. It was a two-way street.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caused the death of Travis D. Alexander.

ARIAS: I need to be honest. The evidence is very compelling, but none of it proves that I committed a murder.

(END VIDEO CLIP)


VELEZ-MITCHELL: How`s Jodi passing the time in jail? Well, she`s doing artwork, that`s how. Check out some of her drawings, done both in color and black and white. They`re pretty extraordinary, I have to say. Some of them -- a couple of the pieces have sold for hundreds of dollars on eBay. And I hope we can give you a tight shot of some of those. That`s very good. There`s Grace Kelly. So she`s doing these famous artists like Grace Kelly and Lucille Ball and Frank Sinatra. You can see he`s down there. She`s pretty good, right?

And she`s been doing these for some time. Well, joining me exclusively right now is the man who helped her create this art, become an artist, Jodi`s high-school art teacher Richard Rangel.

Richard, first of all, thank you so much for joining us, this exclusive interview tonight. I want to ask you, I understand that Jodi is from a very good family, Yreka, which is near the Oregon border in California and that you went to the business that the family still has in Yreka. Tell us about that business. And when you talked to them not so long ago about Jodi being behind bars. Tell us about that, sir.

RICHARD RANGEL, JODI`S ART TEACHER (via phone): Well, the business, the restaurant is called Daddio`s. It`s a franchise here in Yreka. And I went there to get my daughter a gift certificate so that she could go to the various places in town with friends and have lunch and dessert and that sort of thing.

And when I showed up, both parents were there as well as Joey, Jodi`s brother. And so they gave me the gift certificate. Then, of course, I had to ask how Jodi was. They said that -- the mom said that she was pretty nervous awaiting the trial that was up and coming.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you taught her art. She`s a great artist. I love some of these color drawings. What went wrong? In your opinion, first, describe what she was like in high school. Did you ever see her ending up like this?

RANGEL: No. No, no clues whatsoever. In school -- you know, in high school we teach single subjects, so you get a small snapshot of a student throughout the day just while they`re in your class.

So in my class, she enjoyed art. So when I saw her, she was ready to participate, enthusiastic, very conscientious, always prompt, and she was just a good art student. Took instruction well, was very skillful, very smart. And so, because of her intelligence, she was able to deal with any problem I would throw at the students. She was very skillful and just the kind of student that you would like all your students to be like, very modest and conservative, always clean-cut, soft-spoken and just -- just pleasant always.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you never saw any evidence of her being, let`s say, a sociopath. Some people have said later, maybe more recent to this horror, that she seemed sort of -- there was nothing there. You look in her eyes, and it was kind of empty. And maybe it`s easy to be a 20/20 quarterback/psychiatrist, but did you ever see anything that was just off?

RANGEL: Well, no. She was the -- you know, there was nothing that would indicate anything like this, that`s for sure. And, you know, as a high-school teacher, you see students all the time, and this is my 21st year. So I`ve had several thousand. And I work with them on their individual projects. They`re not coming up with an answer that they all should have. They all work independently. And so you get a chance...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Richard, can I jump in here and ask you about -- I want to ask you about her siblings. I just want to ask you about her siblings, because she has four siblings. And you said you ran into Joey, her brother. We haven`t seen -- I haven`t been in court, so correct me if I`m wrong, but I haven`t seen siblings there, especially boy siblings. What are her siblings like?

RANGEL: Well, Joey, very nice young kid. I knew him in high school, as well. He was very bright. We have something called the academic challenge where they put teams together and answer questions of various sorts. He`s a very bright kid. When I ran into him at the restaurant, he was working on some calculus at the local college.

The daughter -- I met one of the daughters, Angelina -- I was very impressed with, because we also have a talent show at the high school. And people put together groups, dance groups or performing groups, but they`re usually in company, safety in numbers.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

RANGEL: But she walks out by herself, holding a banner singing a cappella native American song I thought it was pretty brave.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you`re saying that these kids, Jodi, her sibling, they all seem -- they`re from a good family, they own a franchise in Yreka. She`s above average intelligence. Her brother is above average intelligence. They were never in trouble. She`s a great artist. It doesn`t add up.

Richard, something doesn`t add up. This Travis Alexander, by her own admission, was stabbed 29 times. His throat was slit almost to the spine, shot in the face. That is a very, very violent crime.

There is a missing piece to the puzzle here. I don`t understand it. I don`t know how you can get from "A" to "Z." And we`ve got a great team here. So we`re going to analyze. I want to thank you, Richard, for your insights. There`s a missing piece. There`s still a missing piece. More on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you telling us that he acted differently privately with Jodi than he did, shall we say, publicly with Jodi?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So your impression was he kept Jodi into a different compartment, is that right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I guess you can say that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BREWER: When we moved to Palm Desert she started working at the California Pizza Kitchen and then eventually got a second job. The relationship was -- was slowly deteriorating over the summer of 2006. She got more involved with Prepaid Legal. She became less responsible to -- to the household bills. The house eventually foreclosed in the following year.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That was Jodi`s previous boyfriend before Travis. And he says, yes, she`s working two jobs to make ends meet. Their relationship with this longtime boyfriend deteriorating, and then she gets this new job with Prepaid Legal thinking it`s going to be a bonanza, still can`t pay the bills.

Then she joins this new religion, new for her, converting to Mormonism. And all these people are coming over having Bible study meetings with her, and then her house gets foreclosed on.

Not only that, but Robi Ludwig, she`s competing for Travis` affection with two other women. One he has planned to take to Mexico, Mimi. When he was killed she was supposed to be going to Mexico with Mimi. Lisa, he wanted to date her, but she said, "I`m not interested in marriage."

So Robi Ludwig, psychotherapist, that`s a lot of triggers.

ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right. I mean, it`s one thing to look at a personality when everything is going OK. Perhaps when Jodi was younger, you know, this side didn`t manifest, it didn`t reveal itself. But she is somebody that didn`t graduate high school, right? Didn`t she get her GED?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She dropped out in 11th grade.

LUDWIG: So that says something wasn`t going right.

It sounds like Jodi was looking to be loved. That was very important to her. She wanted to feel connected to a group, and she wanted to feel loved. And Travis was the person that she wanted to feel loved by.

And clearly, he was just using her for sex or enjoying her for sex. And you know what? He`s allowed to do that. That doesn`t make him abusive. But if he said the wrong thing at the wrong time, who knows what happened in Jodi`s mind?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Gloria Allred, you are a victims` rights attorney, but you often speak for women in particular. Now they`re trying to say she was a victim, because he had phone sex with her that was kinky, he was engaged in sex with her right before she killed him. He`s pretending to be a virgin, because he`s a Mormon, but he`s not. He`s maybe got these photos.

So what? Does that have anything to do with self-defense?

ALLRED: I don`t see it as a strong self-defense argument, but maybe that`s all she`s got, and so they`re going with whatever they can.

But I mean, she`s got financial pressure, if she had that. She might have had the thought that perhaps they would marry, perhaps they would live happily ever after.

And it may be that he felt that, you know, because he had sex with her, that she could not be acceptable as a wife, that she could not meet the standard that he hoped for in the Mormon community. Of course, he wasn`t meeting the standard either, of being a virgin, but he may have felt that he needed someone pure, pristine, a virgin in order to marry. And maybe she just couldn`t accept it. Maybe she couldn`t accept that he wanted someone else for a wife. It`s all speculation, but it`s possible.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, you absolutely hit the nail on the head. She`s good enough to have sex with, but she`s not good enough, in his mind, to get married to.

ALLRED: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That might not be a good thing, but it`s no excuse to kill somebody.

ALLRED: Exactly.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And if we are participants in our own degradation, then it`s our fault, too. You know, we have -- and I`ve learned this in sobriety. We all have the right to not interact with anybody who makes us feel less than or put down.

ALLRED: And for him, he may have been thinking that, if he married her, that`s a reminder of his own hypocrisy, that in fact, he`d been having sex with her before they married, something not allowed in the Mormon church, and here after all, he was an elder in the church.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. It`s fascinating. And there are lessons for women. Do not participate in your own degradation, because you can`t complain about it afterwards if you are participating of your own free will as an adult female.

We`re back to Phoenix for much more on the Arias trial. At the top of the 8, a former girlfriend of Travis Alexander speaks to Nancy Grace. That`s coming up in just a couple of minutes. But first, we are back with more debate over the highly sexual nature of this case.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Which entrance did she come in through?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The front door.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when she came in and saw the two of you there, she turned around and just left, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, she ran out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She ran out. And these incidents were the reasons why you indicated that strange things were happening and that`s why you ended up breaking up with him, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR JODI ARIAS: In this phone call he talks about his fantasies. That`s Travis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He made a joking comment to the waitress about him and Jodi not dating.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Became infatuated and fell in love.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember the first time you and she had sex, though, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do remember, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she was very aggressive, wasn`t she?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were both aggressive.

LISA ANDREWS, FORMER GIRLFRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: I came to the understanding that he was cheating on me.

WILLMOTT: With?

ANDREWS: Jodi Arias.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had an immediate suspicion that it was Jodi who had done this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He had told us that he wasn`t dating her, and he thought that she was following him around.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: There was a point in time when we were in love, but it was short lived.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HLN HOST: An explosive and explicit end to court today -- fireworks in the last couple of seconds. Let`s go out to Arizona and to Jean Casarez -- what happened?

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, you know, I think the big -- the big news is the jury was just released for the weekend. And here is the image that they`re leaving with because it couldn`t be ignored in that courtroom.

They had their computer expert on the stand. He`s going through what was found on Travis Alexander`s hard drive. Well, the defense attorney picks up a picture, and it is of the male genitalia, erect, and she`s just holding it up and she`s wanting to enter it into evidence. Of course, the prosecutor objects, but that is what the jury is now going home with, that Travis Alexander has on his own computer male genitalia.

We don`t know whose it is, if it`s his or somebody else`s, but that, I think, could help the defense.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How might it help the defense, Evangeline Gomez, criminal defense attorney, given that they found it, it`s dated just a couple of hours before she kills him and she`s arguing self-defense?

EVANGELINE GOMEZ, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, he could have definitely sent it to her via text message, via e-mail. It could be his. He could have been looking at it. Perhaps it`s someone else`s. But Jane, it goes to show that this man is a sexual deviant. That is what the jury is leaving with this weekend.

Second, the other important issue is that we know he is sex crazed. We know he has this obsession with little girls or women who look like little girls.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wendy Murphy, help me out here.

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Oh, my God. First of all, I am just stunned than an erect penis proves that someone is a deviant. Who does that leave for the normal guy?

GOMEZ: Who normally has one? I mean, who has -- what normal guy who`s in a healthy relationship has a picture of that on his lap top?

MURPHY: It`s the dumbest argument I`ve ever heard in my life. The guy was clearly sexual, and he may have been kinky and he did dirty talk, but you know what? I think 11 guys are on the jury. Every one of them has done some of those things, I guarantee it. They`re going home this weekend saying, boy, that guy was just like me. And I do those things too.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait, wait, wait.

(CROSSTALK)

MURPHY: No way do they thing that justifies murder, no way. No way.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But let me say this, to back up Evangeline just a little bit, not that I agree with anything she said. But you have to put it in the context, Gloria Allred that it`s later in the afternoon that he ends up taking photos of her, Jodi Arias` genitalia, which is shown in court, those photos. There`s only two of them in the room and so presumably he had taken those photos of her.

So it`s a cumulative effect of the naked photos, the penis photo and then the photos that he takes of her, very tight shots of her genitalia right before the photos that lead to him being killed.

GLORIA ALLRED, ATTORNEY: By the way, it`s pretty disturbing. You`ve got a deceased victim here. And I don`t know if it`s his penis or not, but if it is, to show a deceased victim`s penis in court, it`s really -- maybe I shouldn`t use this term -- but stretching it to do it?

In any event, so they took pictures of each other, what else is new? I mean in the world of social media, which we`re living in people are doing it all the time. I mean even without social media, haven`t men always been kind of checking out their own penises -- I don`t know if that`s his or other people`s -- comparing themselves to other people`s penises.

GOMEZ: Not a sign of normalcy.

ALLRED: This is not new.

GOMEZ: Not a sign of normalcy.

MURPHY: That`s ridiculous. There`s nothing abnormal.

GOMEZ: Not healthy, not healthy.

MURPHY: There`s nothing abnormal about this. Nothing abnormal about taking a picture of body parts when you`re sexually active and you`re an adult and that`s something you like to do. It doesn`t hurt anybody. That`s a big leap from sexual erotic stuff to --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: One at a time, lady. Ladies, let`s get -- Areva Martin, you`re starting to look like the voice of reason over there. What do you have to say?

AREVA MARTIN, ATTORNEY: I just want to agree with Wendy. I think what the penis shows us is that these were two consenting adults that liked to engage in all kind of sexual fantasies. They took pictures of each other. Jodi was just as involved in this, quote, unquote, "deviant behavior" as Travis was. It wasn`t like she was sitting on the sidelines and this was happening around her. She was fully participating in all of this, we can`t lose sight of that. And the 11 men on the jury pool will recognize that Jodi liked to mix it up with Travis.

GOMEZ: Oh, yes. Devout Mormons don`t do this.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wait a second. I think you`ve raised a very important point, Areva. If we are to say that a woman who as an adult participates in kinky sexual activity is somehow a victim, aren`t we reducing her to the status of being some kind of child and aren`t we diminishing all women as a consequence?

If we`re adults, we`re adults. If we`re not, we`re not. If we`re equal, we`re equal. If we`re not, we`re not. You represent women and women`s rights. I mean that is almost really a statement against women`s rights. Like, oh, we`re the victims here. We can`t be trusted to be --

MARTIN: I don`t think she`s a victim, Jane. I don`t think she`s a victim at all. I don`t think she was a victim. I think she was a full participant that enjoyed sex just as much as Travis. She kept going back to this guy. She had an opportunity to leave him. She did on numerous occasions, and she kept going back.

Every indication from every photo, everything we`ve learned in this trial so far is that Jodi loved, liked, enjoyed Travis sexually.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I mean this almost is --

MARTIN: And nothing. And Jane --

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There are cultures where women can`t go out of the house because, oh, my gosh, something might happen to them. There`s cultures where women can`t drive. No. Our culture is we`re adults, we`re equal, but that brings a certain sense of responsibility, Gloria.

ALLRED: Well, there is a certain responsibility, but you know what; they are adults. If they want to take pictures of each other`s genitals and send it to each other and enjoy it, ok. It`s not a defense. It`s not an excuse for murder or for any kind of violence whatsoever. And I think they`re going to have to tie it up pretty soon because I still don`t see a nexus here to any crime that`s being alleged.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: On the other side, an exclusive interview with another co-worker friend of Jodi Arias, and she knew Jodi not too long before this horror occurred.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: She took the picture of you when you were in the shower, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct.

MARTINEZ: You didn`t ask her to take that picture, she took that picture of you, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

ARIAS: I asked him if I could take pictures in the shower and he was like, no.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In just a couple of minutes, we`re going to talk to a woman, seconds actually, who served as a mother figure to Jodi Arias. And we have more of this intense debate on sex and the Jodi Arias trial.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When did you first find out what happened to him?

ARIAS: Dan called me. I think, like late Monday night, like 11- something. I said, hey, how you doing? He said, great. I said I`m thinking of making a trip out there. He said, yes, I think you`re going to have to. I was like, yes, yes. (inaudible). Then he`s like, yes, there`s something about Travis. And I was like, what? You know, like, that`s never good.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Who is Jodi Arias? And how did she get from being a very good student in high school according to her art teacher who we just spoke to, to being an accused murderess, who admits she stabbed her lover 29 times, slit his throat and shot him in the face? There`s a missing piece to the puzzle, and we can`t figure it out but we`re going to try to.

Our exclusive guest tonight and we`re delighted to have with us tonight, Patty Goodman, a former co-worker of Jodi Arias`. Patty, thank you so much for joining us. I understand that you both worked at an exclusive restaurant in Palm Desert, California, which is a very nice town. I`ve been there. This was approximately two years before this terrible killing occurred. And you were apparently a mother figure to Jodi. Tell us about that. Why would she need a mother figure when she has her own mom?

PATTY GOODMAN, FORMER CO-WORKER OF JODI ARIAS (via telephone): Well, thank you, but I don`t know that I was a mother figure as much as I was motherly to her. I was a coordinator there at Quisto. It`s a very fine exclusive French restaurant in Palm Desert. And she worked there and, you know, the girl I remember was this perfectly groomed professional on-time, efficient -- she worked the lunch crowd at Quisto.

And we talked. She had mentioned -- she wasn`t really happy in her relationship. We didn`t really get into that. But we`d talk about options that she might have.

And she was so pretty. I mean, I just think of her with that pretty beautiful blond ponytail. She always had it up in a ponytail. And I remember suggesting that maybe she would be a flight attendant and she could get out and see the world; or, you know, different occupations where she wouldn`t have to have a college education.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So she seemed lost, in other words. You know, people -- waitressing is a very respectable job. I was a waitress, although I was fired because I refused to serve meat. I`m a vegan. I was fired from that job very quickly. But it`s a respectable profession. There are people do it, I applaud it. But sometimes people want to move on or they do it while like in Hollywood, there`s so many people who are actors who work waiting tables.

GOODMAN: Sure.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did you get a sense that she was frustrated with where life was? That she thought of herself maybe as I am to the manor born. My parents own a business even though it`s a restaurant, like a coffee shop type restaurant or a restaurant that`s not a fancy restaurant. But did you get the sense that she felt like I should be somewhere better than I am at some point in my life?

GOODMAN: Not really because I know that she didn`t want to go back up to Yreka. She had mentioned that, you know, she felt that she wanted to do something different with her life and she didn`t want to go back to northern California. I never heard her demean her family or demean what she was doing. She was very professional. I mean, we wouldn`t have her at the restaurant if she wasn`t professional. And she always had a smile on her face.

You know, it was just the quiet times where we would talk or after the shift was over and, you know, she was finalizing her paperwork and her moneys and all. But I never had that sense that she felt that she was working below herself or -- she just seemed to me to be lost. And I know that, again, she wasn`t happy where she was in her relationship and all, but she never went into great detail. I just told her at her age and with her presence and intelligence and professionalism, that she had options.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And what was your reaction when you heard that she was accused of this horrific killing?

GOODMAN: Oh, my gosh. It`s not at all what -- I wouldn`t connect the dots. You know, the girl I knew -- but can anybody imagine anybody doing this to anybody else, you know? I guess if you`re some type of a perverted whacko that you`ve experienced that with someone, but I experienced nothing but professionalism and sweetness with Jodi.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, this is the second person tonight who has said this. We talked to her high school teacher. Oh, she was great. She was a straight A student, super smart. You`re saying pretty much the same thing, responsible.

GOODMAN: Yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. But we do know she was unhappy in her relationship, this was prior to Travis and also she was having mounting money troubles and wanted a way out and as you said, was lost.

More on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

WILLMOTT: Did Travis ever call you names?

ANDREWS: No.

WILLMOTT: Did you personally feel threatened by Travis?

ANDREWS: No.

WILLMOTT: Was Travis ever abusive to you?

ANDREWS: No.

WILLMOTT: Did he ask you to have sex with him?

ANDREWS: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Time for "Pet o` the Day. Send your pet pics to hlntv.com/Jane. Brody, oh, wow. You`re stunning. Handsome. Oh. Let`s see what we`ve got here. Cookie, oh, Cookie is just a beauty. What a beauty. And Melody. Look at that, with the armed forces. And Toby rocks.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And one of the most shocking sound bites of this trial -- we have to warn you, graphic language, but the defense is doing everything it can for portray the victim who`s not here to defend himself as a cad who called Jodi horrible names. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember seeing e-mails in which Mr. Alexander referred to Miss Arias as a quote, "(EXPLETIVE DELETED) wonder?"

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Gloria Allred, as an attorney, you said that that is perhaps of everything you`ve heard in the defense case thus far the most incriminating. Why?

ALLRED: Well, I mean I think it may be they`re trying to dirty up the victim, Travis Alexander. How could he call someone he`s intimate with in bed a whore? On the other hand, that could cut both ways. If in fact he`s saying it to her in bed, I mean there are some women who like the idea of their male partner calling them a whore in bed because in a way it`s a suggestion they`re that good at sex in bed. And that they really like the woman, they`re really enjoying it.

You know, we`ll have to see how this plays. I don`t think it`s going to be the determining factor one way or another.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jean Casarez, you`ve covered so many court cases, have you ever seen a case especially one focused on by the nation with such graphic sexual content?

CASAREZ: No, no, not at all. I think rarely have I seen a defense so weak at this point. I know it`s not over. But I just visualize the jury deliberating self-defense? There`s no self-defense here. So the argument is going to be between heat of passion, manslaughter and probably first degree, maybe second.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Robi Ludwig, just a couple of seconds. This is just throwing stuff and seeing what sticks at the wall.

ROBI LUDWIG, PSYCHOLOGIST: I agree. I`m not hearing how she`s abused. I`m hearing how Jodi might be offended and there was something unique about this relationship. Perhaps she put all her hope in this guy. But no defense here, I`m not hearing it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, but then again, you never know how sex impacts the unconscious and 90 percent of communication is nonverbal. This pretty woman sitting there, looking demure; these male jurors may be connecting with her in some way. They`re hearing all this stuff, who knows what that equals.

More on the other side.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Will Jodi Arias take the stand? Yes or no from our panel starting with Gloria Allred.

ALLRED: No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wendy Murphy?

MURPHY: She should, she won`t. And it doesn`t matter. She`s doomed either way.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Evangeline?

GOMEZ: Nope, she doesn`t need to. The defense has already proven that TA, Mr. Alexander is a liar, cheater, and abuser. The only thing they need is domestic violence experts.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s not a yes or no.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. And Areva?

MARTIN: No, absolutely not.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. And I will say I don`t know. Because you can never predict what`s going to happen in there`s mega-trials. I don`t even think Jodi Arias knows right now. She`s trying to figure out what she should do next.

And Nancy Grace is up next.

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NANCY GRACE

Phone Sex Tape in Jodi Arias Murder Trial

Aired January 31, 2013 - 20:00   ET


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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Mesa, Arizona. They meet on a work trip in Vegas and fall hard. But when the flame burns out, they break up. But it`s then she moved 300 miles to chase him, even converting to Mormonism to get her man.

But then 30-year-old Travis Alexander is found slumped over dead in the shower of his home, shot, stabbed 29 times. And just hours after she admittedly stabs him to death, she`s literally hopping on top of a brand- new boyfriend. Twenty-seven-year-old Arias has wild sex with Travis all day, even photographing the sex, but just minutes after sex, slashes his throat from ear to ear.

We are live here at the Phoenix courthouse, day three of the Jodi Arias defense.

After murder victim Travis Alexander`s much younger girlfriend torpedoes the defense by swearing Travis never abused her, or even had sex with her, bombshell tonight. A phone sex tape scandal rocks the Jodi Arias murder one trial.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you have any reason to believe Mr. Alexander was not living up to the principles of your church?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: Through my faith and through the knowledge of my own innocence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... know that the defendant was having oral sex with Mr. Alexander at the time that -- of her baptism?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did not know that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You would agree that that wouldn`t be a sincere, if you will, baptism under your definition, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would agree that they would not be ready to be baptized.

ARIAS: ... for the 10 Commandments, Thou shalt not kill.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s no evidence to show anybody else did that. None.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first time I heard that he had beat her, I thought, Are you kidding me? That`s -- that`s not possible.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever see Travis hit Jodi or be in any way abusive to her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever hear Travis call Jodi names?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi had to make a choice. She would either live or she would die.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With 29 stab wounds?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she confide to you at that time that she killed Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she tell you that she killed Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, she did not.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. We are live here at the Phoenix courthouse, day three of the Arias defense.

Today, center stage, a phone sex tape scandal rocks the Jodi Arias murder one trial. The judge clears the courtroom, sending everybody out, reporters, court watchers, personnel, you name it, so she could listen to audiotape evidence.

Now, we heard in the defense opening statement that they were intending to bring on audiotapes of phone sex between Arias and the deceased, Travis Alexander. What does it prove? Obviously, the defense thinks it`s something very, very important. Many would argue that it disproves the battered women defense, that she stabbed him because she thought he was going to harm her.

To Jean Casarez, the star of courtroom, legal correspondent, "In Session," who`s also been in the courtroom all day long. Jean, it seems to me -- isn`t it correct that when these phone sex tapes were made, Arias was living either 300 or 1,000 miles away from Travis Alexander?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": That`s right. She had moved back to Yreka. They were broken up. And I think one of the things about this tape is that if the jury hears it, the jury will hear the voice of Travis Alexander in that courtroom.

But he`s going to be saying things that I don`t think the prosecution or the family believes should be in that courtroom at all, talking about that he is going to Mexico, talking about with another woman, talking about that they have no future together.

But then it gets very sexual and he begins to have phone sex with Jodi on the phone, saying he wants to tie her up and she has sexual screams, and he says it`s like a 12-year-old girl.

GRACE: OK. Wait a minute. Is this where he says he wants to tie her to a tree and have sex with her?

CASAREZ: Yes, as the conversation keeps going, yes. So she saved this on her phone...

GRACE: OK.

CASAREZ: ... Nancy.

GRACE: So she was the one recording it?

CASAREZ: As far as I know, that`s right. And so the big question is, you know, how will it come into the trial if she doesn`t take the stand?

GRACE: Well, another issue is, Jean, yes, it paints Travis Alexander as a guy who`s using a woman for phone sex. I don`t think that`s a crime. I`m not thrilled with it. But what about the damage it does to her...

CASAREZ: And he also seems to be...

GRACE: When he says that, what does she do? When he says all that...

CASAREZ: Well, she agrees with it.

GRACE: ... does she hang up the phone on him?

CASAREZ: She plays along.

(CROSSTALK)

CASAREZ: He`s also seemingly very honest in the beginning of the phone call. They`re trying to show him to be a sexual deviant.

GRACE: Yes. Yes. Well, the thing is, Jean...

CASAREZ: And you know, Nancy...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: ... going to hurt Travis Alexander -- I think the defense thinks this is going to hurt Travis Alexander, but doesn`t it hurt her, too, because she`s taking part in it and surreptitiously recording it?

CASAREZ: That`s right, and she`s an able participant. It is a consensual situation. And he furthermore starts off the conversation by saying, We don`t have a future together. We`re going to get married to different people. I`m going to Mexico, and you`re not coming. So she knows where he stands.

GRACE: So he`s not lying about it. With me outside the courthouse, just coming out of the courtroom, Jean Casarez.

We`re all camped right here outside the Phoenix courtroom. And yet another blockbuster day in the Jodi Arias murder one trial. It`s another day of the defense -- it seems to me that every time they put somebody up on the stand, it seems to backfire.

Out to you, Jean. Who was on the stand today? What happened before the sex tape scandal?

CASAREZ: Daniel -- Daniel Freeman. Now, this is an important witness because he knew Jodi. He knew Travis. They went on some day trips together. So that is somebody that could be a rich witness, right?

Well, he never -- he said that he saw them get in arguments. He saw that she didn`t join in with -- when he had associations with other people. So she was sort of a dirty little secret, you could say.

But then the jury had questions. Did you see him abuse her? Did you see that he hit her? Did you see any threats that he made to her. And his answer across the board was no.

GRACE: So what`s the worst thing he had to say about Travis Alexander, the murder victim, and the best thing he had to say about Jodi Arias, on trial?

CASAREZ: The worst thing that he had to say, I would say, that favored the defense was at a restaurant at dinner that Jodi and Travis are there as they`re coming back to Phoenix. And he`s flirting with the waitress, saying, you know, She might look like my girlfriend, but we`re not dating at all. And they had such a strong physical relationship. So that was humiliating to her.

And the defense is trying to show that is what was in her head. That`s where her state of mind was beginning to form. But that does not equal domestic violence.

GRACE: OK. So that`s the worst thing he has to say about Travis Alexander. And the best about her is that he humiliated her in front of a waitress?

CASAREZ: Yes. Yes.

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: And it seemed to me that the jury`s questions kind of nipped that in the bud.

We are taking your calls. Out to Mary in South Carolina. Hi, Mary. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I want to thank you for all you do, for your fairness...

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... and for presenting yourself as the type of mother that every woman should be.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And I do have a question for you. I`m a little razzled (ph) at this. They`re trying the victim, it seems, instead of Jodi. Why are they not asking was Jodi abusive? We know that she cut his tires. Did she hit at him? Did she scream at him? Did she call him names? What was her demeanor in all this? They seem to have forgot she`s the one on trial.

GRACE: You know, Mary in South Carolina, I could not agree with you more. And when they brought up the battered women`s defense, that really struck me to the core because I worked many, many years representing on a battered women`s hotline, trying to help battered women. I would do that at night as a volunteer.

And to me, this does a huge disservice to all the women that really are battered out there, that really do need help, that really can`t find a way out of their situation, don`t know how to get out, don`t know that there is another life that they could be living. So it disturbs me what I see happening in the courtroom.

Let`s get an answer to that. Out to you, Alexis Tereszcuk, senior reporter, Radaronline.com. Alexis, what about it? What`s the evidence of her being aggressive?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: I think the evidence of her being aggressive is the fact that he was stabbed 29 times, he was shot in the face, and his throat was slit from ear to ear.

Regardless of what happened in the past, the prosecution has laid out a very clear case showing that she brutally murdered this guy, and I think that`s what they believe they need. They don`t need something from six months ago or a year ago. They need the day that she was there and that she murdered him and then covering it up, lying about it twice, and even laughing at his funeral. I think that`s what they`re going for here.

GRACE: Joining me right now is a very special guest, Janelle Salmon, former girlfriend of Travis Alexander. Janelle, thank you for being with us.

JANELLE SALMON, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S FORMER GIRLFRIEND (via telephone): Thank you for having me.

GRACE: Janelle, you were with Travis Alexander for a period of time. How do you react to how they`re trying to portray him in court?

SALMON: Well, I think for anyone that knew Travis or had dated him or been a close friend, it`s just. It`s tragic to see the kind of person they`re painting him to be. I did not know him to be that kind of person at all.

GRACE: Tell me something, Janelle. Everyone, with me and taking your calls is Janelle Salmon, former girlfriend of Travis Alexander.

Tell me about your first date with Travis.

SALMON: Well, Travis took me out for my first date the day after I turned 16. He brought me flowers. We went out to a movie with some friends and went for ice cream afterward. It was a good time. It was a lot of fun.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you believe Jodi loved Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe that she did love him but that she was trying to figure out where they stood.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did Travis treat Jodi?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very well.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Happy to be with each other, like, very cuddly and very much a couple.

ARIAS: If I was ever going to try to kill somebody, I would use gloves.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So if somebody was having oral sex at the time of their baptism, you would agree that that wouldn`t be a sincere baptism under your definition, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would agree that they would not be ready to be baptized.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No caffeine, no beer, no premarital sex.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi had told me that she was saving herself for her husband.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Welcome back. We are camped out in front of the Phoenix courthouse, bringing you the latest. Today another bombshell in the defense of Jodi Arias in her murder one trial. A phone sex tape scandal rocks the Arias trial.

To Matt Zarrell, our producer on the story, also covering every move in the courtroom. Matt, what else happened in court?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, some of the big bombshells from Daniel Freeman particularly were very interesting, Nancy. On cross- examination, he revealed the conversation he had with Jodi Arias when Freeman told Arias that Travis was found murdered.

What happened was is that Freeman calls her at 11:00 o`clock at night -- this is the night Travis`s body was found -- tells Arias that Travis was gone. Freeman says there was a moment of silence and Arias began to mumble, Oh, my goodness.

GRACE: What else did Freeman have to say, Matt?

ZARRELL: One of the things he also talked about was is that Freeman went on a number of trips with Arias and Travis Alexander. And on direct, they talked about some of the verbal tiffs that they got -- Travis and Arias got into. But on cross, it was revealed that a big reason that Freeman went along on these trips was Travis preferred not to be alone with Arias and wanted Freeman to go with him.

GRACE: Now, that`s very unusual. Let`s take a listen to the testimony of Daniel Freeman. This was just hours ago in the courtroom.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You told her that Travis was gone or words to that effect, right?

DANIEL FREEMAN, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said there was a moment of silence, right?

FREEMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then that she began to what, cry?

FREEMAN: To -- I don`t know if you would call it babble, but to mumble, Oh, my goodness. I mean, she sounded disbelieving.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she confide to you at that time that she killed Travis?

FREEMAN: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did she tell that you she killed Travis?

FREEMAN: No, she did not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were the arguments between Travis and Jodi any different than arguments between other couples you have observed?

FREEMAN: I didn`t think so. No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were these normal arguments between a couple with respect to the severity and way they fought from your personal experience?

FREEMAN: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: OK. I want to go out to Bethany Marshall, Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "Deal Breakers." You know, I want to go back to something that Mary in South Carolina said. She said, Why is he being painted as the aggressor, when all the evidence shows she`s the aggressor?

And what do you make of this phone sex tape scandal that has rocked the courtroom today, apparently with Travis Alexander and Jodi Arias -- she`s 1,000 miles away. I believe she calls him. I`m trying to find that out. She does tape record the whole thing, which I think is weird. I think that`s even weirder than luring him into phone sex is taping the whole thing and playing it back to yourself.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, she was setting him up, wasn`t she. And she was using sex as a form of power to hook him in. Remember, he was about to go on a vacation with another woman, and she couldn`t stand it.

So what does she do? She rented a car. She got gas cans. She drove over 1,000 miles. She already had the weapon. She took the weapons with her.

I think in answer to Mary`s very intelligent question, we have to ask ourself, If Jodi Arias were a man who went to kill his girlfriend, would we be asking if the man was the victim of domestic violence? No.

We would not be asking that question. The defense would not have even brought forth that case. There would be no domestic violence experts on the witness stand. The fact is, women can abuse and men can be victims. And Alexander was the perfect victim because he opened the door to the perpetrator and let her in, and that`s what victims do.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever see Travis hit Jodi or be in any way abusive to her?

FREEMAN: No, none whatsoever.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever hear Travis call Jodi names?

FREEMAN: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever see Travis physically harm Jodi?

FREEMAN: No.

ARIAS: I would never hurt Travis.

FREEMAN: We stopped in Sedona to eat that evening...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

FREEMAN: ... on our way back to Phoenix. We went to a small restaurant there that Travis had heard about that was good. And while there, he made a joking comment to the waitress about him and Jodi not dating, and in kind of a flirtatious manner.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In a flirtatious manner towards the waitress, right?

FREEMAN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And do you -- was Jodi sitting at the table at the time?

FREEMAN: Yes. I couldn`t tell that she was upset, but she seemed to feel uncomfortable or unsure how to...

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That was Daniel Freeman on the stand, and he was quite the witness. But I don`t know that he was quite the witness for the defense. And remember, we are in the defense phase of this trial. It has moved off the state. Now it`s on the defense. The state`s put up a pretty good case. What`s the defense going to do about it?

This in the shadow of a phone sex tape scandal that rocked the courtroom today. Let`s talk about what those phone sex tapes really show. Unleash the lawyers. Joining me, John Manuelian, defense attorney, LA, Daniel Cevallos, defense attorney out of New York.

All right, Manuelian, give me your best shot.

JOHN MANUELIAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Look, why don`t we wait to see what the defense has? This could be a defense shocker. There could be something here that we just haven`t seen. Remember something. It`s the defense`s turn in the game, and we don`t know what`s going to happen. Remember what happened with Casey Anthony. All of us pundits thought there`s no way that she`s going to be found not guilty, and it happened. So let`s wait and see until all the evidence in, and then we`ll see what the closing is...

GRACE: Put him up, please!

MANUELIAN: ... and assess it at that point.

GRACE: So Manuelian, we`ve told you what`s on the sex tape. We already know what`s on the sex tape. And your answer is, Let`s wait and see?

All right, let me try you, Cevallos. What`s your thought?

DANIEL CEVALLOS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: What`s my thought. You know, first of all, everyone`s always tripping over themselves to talk about how domestic violence can seethe under the surface and you may never see it, except today in this case. It`s impossible that there was any kind of domestic violence underlying this case. No one believes it`s even remotely possible based on these facts.

Yet the truth is, it can seethe under the surface and most people can`t see it. Now, ultimately, if Jodi Arias can`t muster up enough facts to show it, well, that`s a credibility issue. But I think we shouldn`t be so quick to say it`s impossible that there was any kind of violence or domestic abuse in this case.

GRACE: Yes, you know, Cevallos, you`re right. It`s always a possibility, and bringing on a parade of ex-girlfriends that he did not abuse doesn`t mean he didn`t abuse her. But what`s interesting to me is the defense itself says he never physically abused her, except that day just before she murders him, she thinks he`s going to kill her.

Jean Casarez, isn`t it true the defense says up until that day, he had never once laid a hand on her?
CASAREZ: Here`s what I heard in the opening statements. I heard the defense say he threatened to kill her. They didn`t say when. But the fact is, all these people that were so close to them have not testified that they saw ever a mark on her.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi definitely knew how to manipulate men, how to use men and to get into their life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was he affectionate with her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And was she affectionate with him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She would be all over him and hugging on him and have her arms around him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was obsessed with Travis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re saying that you were kind of obsessive.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you obsessed with him? Those are the allegations they make.

JODI ARIAS, ACCUSED OF KILLING TRAVIS ALEXANDER: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Would you characterize him as flirtatious with other girls?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I would.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He made a joke and comment about him and Jodi not dating and kind of a flirtatious manner.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Defense say this was self-defense.

ARIAS: I don`t see how anyone could overpower him.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To me it`s ridiculous that he would -- just the thought of him abusing somebody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was not a novice with a knife.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HLN HOST: We are here outside the Phoenix courthouse and taking your calls.

What another blockbuster day in the courtroom today as the Jodi Arias defense kicks off, sputtering, yes, but kicked off nonetheless. Taking center stage a phone sex tape scandal we believe the audio that the judge was listening to after she kicked everybody out in the courtroom is audio tapes between Arias and Travis Alexander. Phone sex tapes that she surreptitiously recorded.

I`m very interested into as in who called who for that phone sex. And remember this was happening when Arias lived 1,000 miles away from Travis Alexander. Difficult to swallow the theory that he still controlled her 1,000 miles away.

I want to go out to a special guest, Zion Lovinger. close friend of Travis Alexander`s.

Zion, thank you for being with us.

ZION LOVINGER, CLOSE FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Hey, thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: Zion, what do you make of this? What`s the point of bringing in a phone sex tape between Alexander and Jodi Arias? I mean, apparently she`s the one that called him and she`s the one that was taping the whole thing.

LOVINGER: You`re asking me what I think the defense`s intent on bringing that in is?

GRACE: Yes, I guess.

LOVINGER: Well, I think they`re just trying to put Travis on trial like you talked about before. They`re trying to make him into a sexual deviant and I don`t think that does it. But they`re going to do everything they can to discredit him and to make him look like a -- like a big jerk. They`re going do everything they can to make him look like a really slimy guy. And I guess somehow, that`s supposed to warrant stabbing him 27 times and slitting his throat.

GRACE: You know, Zion, when you state it that way, you capsulized so many thoughts I`ve got on the case into one bullet, so to speak. To drag Travis through the mud to, pull out everything they can possibly think would repulse a jury or a juror to make him look bad when really, it should be serving to make her look bad. She was the one apparently that called him. She was the one that was taping him. Secretly on this phone conversation. Now, why would she be doing that?

Tell me something, you spent a day with Jodi Arias in Mexico once. How did that come about, and what were your -- what are your reflections on that?

LOVINGER: And at the time I lived in Southern California and me and my buddies used to surf all the time.

GRACE: Yes.

LOVINGER: And we were hanging out and Jodi was at my sister`s house and me and my buddies were planning on going surfing down in La Joya the next day and she invited herself and so we didn`t want her to go. And back then, I was nice and a little nicer than I am now. So we got the idea that we would tell her, well, we`re going to go to Mexico and wake up at 4:00 a.m. and our idea was that if we could somehow make it a little more difficult that she wouldn`t want to come but our plan backfired and she ended up still inviting herself and we had to end up spending the whole day with her. I probably should have left her in Mexico, though.

GRACE: What was she like? What were your thoughts? How did she act?

LOVINGER: You know, I don`t recall the details. I mean, there was nothing memorable about it. She brought her camera. She always had her camera, she was taking pictures. You know, there was nothing particularly memorable about it. She didn`t cast any spells on us, how about that?

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: OK. Question, you said that you did not want her to join you guys. Why?

LOVINGER: It was a guys` trip. You know, we really didn`t want her to come. And if it were to happen today, I`d say hey, we don`t want you to come. But like I said before, back then, I was a little more nice.

GRACE: You know, Travis` ex-girlfriend Lisa Andrews took the stand and said it made her feel dirty when Travis would talk about sex. Now keep in mind that she was 19 years old and a virgin at the time that he was mentioning sex. She also said he never pressured her to have sex. He never forced her to do anything sexual, in fact, in all the time they dated they never did have sex.


I mean, I guess he did talking about sex. I mean, I -- is there a man out there, a warm-blooded man with a heartbeat that doesn`t talk about sex? I mean, maybe I`m wrong, but maybe I`ve been in the courthouse too long, but I don`t find that to be deviant behavior for a man anyway.

LOVINGER: Yes.

GRACE: What`s your reaction to her testimony.

LOVINGER: I think the only thing that proved was that Travis was 30 and she was 19. That`s all it proved.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Well, I mean, you know if a woman came up to me over a cup of tea and started saying wow, let me tell you what happened last night, I would be a little surprised at that, because frankly, I don`t really hear my female colleagues talk that way, but I would not be surprised if a man did it. So that didn`t really knock me over with that evidence. I think you may be right about that.

Also, the defense was asking Dan Freeman about the Mormon Church and the role it plays in all this. What is your response, Zion?

LOVINGER: You know, it bothers me a bit because the media is really playing into this and for the media, obviously it`s about ratings and -- but for us it`s about a friend. And you know, some of the headlines I was looking at is they`re talking about how, you know, Jodi and Travis broke the Mormon law of sex and they`re trying to -- the Mormons didn`t make that up law. You know? That`s something that`s been in the bible for centuries and for thousands of years, and they would really, you know, like to create this scandal about it and really blow it out of proportion.

And yes, it`s obnoxious for the most part, and I really think it`s taken out of context. Again, I honestly, you know, what Dan testified about in the courtroom today, really doesn`t do much for her case at all and I don`t think it really doesn`t matter about what they were doing, and at least how they`re trying to blow it up in the media like they are.

GRACE: You know, I think in my own mind, the main significance of the Mormon aspect of this is that I`m on the outside looking in. I`m a Methodist. I`m not that familiar with the Mormon religion other than the few books I`ve read about it. Apparently virginity is extremely important, and that`s true with a lot of religions, not just Mormonism. But it seems to me that Arias was painting herself as being extremely religious, up until Travis Alexander met her, he would actually brag that he was proud he was still a virgin and holding strong to his Mormon beliefs.

Then he quit bragging about that after he met Arias. And I`m not saying that it`s like Adam and Eve that she tempted him, it`s all her fault, but what I`m saying is it seems that he suddenly began having a decline in his values and what he believed in and what he wanted to be when he met Arias. And then he decided to do something about it and break up. And he was killed for it. That`s the way I see it.


LOVINGER: Yes, if I could do my best to -- you know, to make something clear is that you know, sex -- I`m not a spokesman for the church but I can -- I can at least give an opinion, obviously. I`m a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and the -- you know, sex is viewed as something that`s very sacred and it`s to be preserved between a husband and wife. And you know, if the way you said it, obviously is virginity is important but if that were the case, then we wouldn`t have so many -- so many kids. But the point is is that sex is sacred. And, you know --

GRACE: Right.

LOVINGER: Was Travis` and Jodi`s relationship healthy? No. Was he using her for sex? Yes. But does that mean she should butcher him? No. And anyway, the point that I wanted to make is yes, you know, they would like to bring it in and blow it out of proportion and really make something out of it that it really isn`t.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She would often tell me how she felt about, you know, her religious beliefs. The Book of Mormon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember the first time you and she had sex, though, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were both aggressive, we were both enthusiastic, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Justified by the way you act in the world that you have changed. They`re worthy to be baptized.

ARIAS: God knows I`m innocent. Travis knows I`m innocent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have picture of you. It`s obvious you guys are having sex. Even time stamped on the day he died.

ARIAS: Things I`ve done and said are called into account. This is not one of those things that will be -- that will be brought up.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said that she did it to defend herself.

GRACE: I`m just trying to figure out how it could be self-defense since they were taking sex photos and then within like 30 seconds she was stabbing him.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are live outside the Phoenix courthouse as the defense continues in the case of Jodi Arias on trial for murder one in the stabbing, the brutal stabbing death, 29 stabs to Travis Alexander, her lover.

We are taking your calls. Out to Becky, California, hi, Becky, what`s your question?

BECKY, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Nancy. Actually, you know, it`s more or less like a comment as to where is this going to hurt the defense.

GRACE: OK.

BECKY: And you know I honestly believe that this is going to hurt the defense because what it will show, not only premeditation, knives, guns, rented car, gas cans, now sex tapes, and men, I hope it`s honestly going to show how she took this young man down in the prime of his life. You know this is -- this was a young man in the prime of his life, and --

GRACE: I agree with you, Becky.

(CROSSTALK)

And my question is, how do you believe -- how do you believe sex tapes could hurt the defense?

BECKY: Well, because again, I do believe it will show toward the premeditation because a couple of weeks before and if it was her recording it against his knowledge, it`s all being set up. You know, it`s just what she -- it`s in her line of premeditation.

And again, it`s going to show just how this young man was just -- that there, a young man active, sexually active and how she seduced him. You know, it`s really just going to bring all that up. my honest --

GRACE: You know, I`m going to go out to Beth Karas, legal correspondent, "In Session." Joining us today. I want you to respond to Becky in California`s observation. I think she`s right.

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, IN SESSION: Yes, well, yes, indeed. Although you know the case isn`t over. We don`t know what else the defense is going to come up with to try to, I don`t know, diminish the strength of the state`s case, but right now, if the jury were to deliberate, I don`t think it looks too good for Jodi Arias.

GRACE: Also, Beth, toward the end of the day, Lonnie Dwarkin, what`s his significance?

KARAS: Well, he`s a computer forensic examiner and he`s talking about all sorts of investigations he did on a hard drive that came from the laptop of Travis Alexander. He first established that Travis Alexander or at least somebody using the profile name of Deanna Reid, that`s the name of an ex-girlfriend of Travis Alexander was on this computer in Alexander`s home on June 4th between 4:08 in the morning and 4:35.

Well, Jodi Arias said, she arrived at about 4:00 in the morning or so, so it would show that Travis was probably up waiting for her and that would corroborate her story. She said she was too tired to have sex. They went to sleep. They had sex a couple of times about 1:00 in the afternoon and then she killed him four hours.

But then he moved into the examination of photographs on a hard drive from a laptop we`re led to believe it`s Alexander`s and the defense attorney had a photo in her hand which we could see. And it was an erect penis, that`s all it was in the photo.

And she showed it to him and the prosecutor objected and did a voir dire, meaning he got to the question the foundation for getting this evidence in. The defense wanted to admit it and at prosecutor said, you don`t know who this photo belongs to, do you? You don`t know who`s it is? He said no, I don`t. And the judge had a sidebar conversation and then adjourned for the weekend. But it appears that this photo was on Travis Alexander`s computer.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: Straight out to John Lucich, former criminal investigator, president at eForensics.

We just heard from Beth Karas photos taken off Travis Alexander`s computer, but logged in was a woman, a name of a woman, a handle of a woman, and we know Jodi Arias was there, and that up and awake at that time of night. So wouldn`t that tend to show that was on Arias` e-mail?

JOHN LUCICH, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR, PRESIDENT, E FORENSICS: Well, no matter whose e-mail it was on, the fact is she could have been in that computer. When a computer forensic expert does a forensic analysis, they have no idea who is logged in, just the user name that was used to log in. So it could definitely been her. You remember this is a woman who set up a webcam to take pictures. That picture of what that woman described before could be a still picture out of that webcam video that she had taken.

GRACE: With me, John Lucich of eForensics.

To Dr. Bill Manion, medical examiner joining me out of Philadelphia tonight. Dr. Manion, you have heard all of this back and forth phone sex, the photos, sex, you name it. But what it all boils down to is, was it self-defense? What did the injuries to Travis Alexander`s body tell you, Dr. Manion?

DR. BILL MANION, M.D., MEDICAL EXAMINER, BURLINGTON COUNTY, NJ (via phone): Well, they tell me that he was a victim of someone that was close to him, that was personal to him, that this was an overkill. He had three fatal wounds, a stab wound to the heart, the superior vena cava, a side wound to his neck, hitting the right carotid and subclavian. And a gun shot to his head. So this person has been killed three times basically.

So we would -- the suspect would be someone that would be close to the person, a family member, a lover. And the only thing I was wondering, I don`t know if they have a forensic pathologist coming in for Jodi to testify. I haven`t seen that yet. That could possibly say, well, Jodi has some cut wounds on her hands and these could be defense wounds also.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: We remember American hero, Air Force Tech Sergeant Anthony Campbell, Jr., 35, Florence, Kentucky. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Air Force Commendation, parents, Anthony Sr. and Frances. Stepfather David. Brother, Nathan. Sister, Matia.

Anthony Campbell, Jr. American hero.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you talk to him about you knew that sex was on his mind from the very beginning?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did he always profess to be a virgin? After he died, you learned that he was not a virgin, right? At some point, were you shocked to learn that Travis actually was not a virgin?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: To Jean Casarez, isn`t it true that the press actually approached one of the jurors?

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Somebody approached a juror, that`s right. We don`t know who it was, but somebody in the media, and of course, you do not approach a juror as a trial is in progress.

The court has ordered security now for the jury, and here`s something else I heard. I heard the judge tell the jury, all right, you`ve got your card key access now for the room behind the courtroom, so they`re even being given a secret private room that they can only get in themselves with their key card access.

GRACE: Well, that`s smart of the judge.

To Alexis Tereszcuk, there was an emergency appeal all the way up to the appellate court by the defense. What did they want?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: They wanted the case to be dismissed. They wanted the trial to be thrown out. And you know what, it was denied once again. This is not happening, the trial is going forward.

GRACE: We are going to break. But on a happy note. A special good night from California and Atlanta friends Josh and Shea Zahn here to see the trial.

And happy birthday to Menlo friend, animal lover Linda. Friend of our show and me.

Happy birthday, dear Linda.

Hidden camera hit "WHAT WOULD YOU DO?" up next. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then, good night, friend.

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Jodi Arias Trial; "Scorned: Blood on the Boardwalk"; Saving America`s Wild Horses

Aired February 1, 2013 - 19:00:00   ET


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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: Tonight, is it desperation defense in the Jodi Arias trial? The courtroom`s rocked after the jury is accidentally shown a very private, explicit photo purportedly found on Travis` hard drive. Are Jodi`s attorneys trying to paint the victim as a sexual deviant? Are they just grasping at straws? And the blush factor. What secrets will be uncovered next in the most highly sexualized trial we`ve ever seen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In his phone call he talks about his fantasies. That`s Travis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of course the defense is going to use this as part of Travis Alexander`s deviancies, that he`s keeping pictures.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You ever see him strike anything?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was Travis ever abusive to you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe he felt that because he had sex with her, that she could not be acceptable as a wife. Maybe she just couldn`t accept it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He told us that he wasn`t dating her, and he thought she was following him around.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Have you ever seen a case with such graphic sexual content?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, no, not at all. And I think rarely have I seen a defense so weak at this point.

(END VIDEOTAPE)
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, as we wait to see if Jodi Arias will take the stand in her murder trial, this week that just ended goes down as one of the most sexually explicit trials ever shown on TV. Is Jodi`s defense team putting on a desperation defense?

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell. The beautiful 32-year-old photographer admits she stabbed Travis Alexander 29 times, slit his throat from ear to ear all the way back to the spine, and shot him in the face. But she claims it was all done in self-defense. In an attempt to show Jodi was sexually abused and paint the victim as some kind of sex fiend, Jodi`s defense team is making sex the focus of this trial, with tales of kinky role playing games, phone sex calls, and even pictures of male genitalia. Listen to what the jurors saw moments before court ended last night, and we warn you, it`s graphic.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The defense attorney picks up a picture, and it is of the male genitalia, erect.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This was a photo of a large, erect penis. And that`s all that was in the photo. And it was a big one.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The defense keeps bringing in sex, and the prosecution, well, it retaliates, saying sex is normal biological behavior. Humans have sex, and that doesn`t make anybody a criminal.

We must warn you, this language is graphic, but it`s what the prosecutor said in open court to a defense witness who dated Travis and testified he had strong sexual urges.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And during the time that he was kissing -- and, again, not to get too much into this, he achieved an erection, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did not massage his erection, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He did not massage his own erection, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a biological response to your lips, wasn`t it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that, at that time, because of your inexperience, you thought that he should have controlled his penis from becoming tumescent or getting big just because he was kissing you? You thought that`s what the problem was, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it was because of your inexperience, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s debate it with our expert legal panel. Is all this sex talk hitting below the belt? Pun intended. So I`m bringing in Holly Hughes, criminal defense attorney. Former prosecutor Joey Jackson, criminal defense attorney Brian Silver, criminal defense attorney. I start with you, Joey Jackson. How much of this is legitimate information for the jury and how much is it just muddying the waters, see what sticks, leave jurors blushing so much they`re confused about where sex ends and abuse begins?

JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I`ll tell you this, Jane, to this point I am underwhelmed. Why? I know they brought in his former girlfriend, one he was going to marry, to talk about he was a liar, he was a cheat, and, of course, he was a sexual deviant, but the issue with that was a problem, because she also had to admit that there was no abuse at all. No verbal abuse. No physical abuse. And if you`re tending to establish that pattern, where is it? Finally, Jane, with regard to the other witnesses they brought forward, the Daniel Friedman and Desiree Friedman, what happened was they went on trips together. And this was -- these were people who would know his interactions, and wouldn`t they also have to admit, Jane, no abuses to Jodi Arias. Where is it? And so to this point it`s falling far short of expectations. But stay tuned. I`m still hopeful to find the smoking gun.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Brian Silver, any legitimate reason for all this sex talk?

BRIAN SILVER, ATTORNEY: I completely disagree with the other guest, and I`m going to tell you why. Their defense is predicated on the fact that she had to kill him to preserve herself, and the reason was the private Travis, the Travis that she knew, the one that wanted to chain her to a tree and sodomize her, was the one she had to defend herself against. Not the elder priest from the Mormon Church, who everybody thought was celibate and wasn`t having sex outside of marriage.

So these things, you know, if they were by themselves just to make Travis look bad or disparage him, I agree, that would be far reaching and inappropriate. But here it`s germane and absolutely material to their defense, and that`s why they`re putting it on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Holly Hughes, you`re a criminal defense attorney and a former prosecutor. What do you say about this?

HOLLY HUGHES, ATTORNEY: Well, what I say is I find it interesting that when the prosecution talks about sex and shows dirty pictures of Jodi, it`s evidence. But when the defense does the same thing, everybody is screaming it`s character assassination.

Jane, this is necessary evidence, because we know she killed him. Everybody agrees on that. What we need to know is why. And the way we explain that is the psychological, you know, way that they interacted with each other.

The only way we`re going to find that out now is in his words, his actions, the way he dealt with her, the way he thought about her, the way he treated her. This is evidence. And if the defense did not present this, they would be ineffective. We, all of us, every single one of us on this panel, covered a huge case where a defense attorney got up a couple of years ago, promised all this, and never presented the evidence. We crucified him for it. This defense team is doing exactly what they need to do to be effective.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jean Casarez, you are there on the scene in Arizona. You`re the one who said this is perhaps the most sexually charged trial you`ve covered that has been broadcast on television. What can we expect in week two coming up in the Jodi Arias defense?

JEAN CASAREZ, IN SESSION ON TRU TV: I guess the plain and simple answer is anything, right? Holds-barred anything. But the thing we are waiting for is will Jodi Arias take the stand. Right now defense witness, computer expert is on the stand, and how much will be able to come in from Travis` computer, maybe Jodi`s computer. And remember, if the defense is trying to show that Travis was a sexual deviant, shouldn`t there be evidence on his computer? I guess we`ll have to see next week.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, court recessed for the weekend with a possible sneak peek, as Jean Casarez was alluding to, of what`s to come. The defense witness accidentally flashed secret photos the defense wants to admit into evidence. Check this out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All right. Defense moves -- I forgot the numbers. Defense moves to enter exhibits number --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 393 and 394.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection, your honor.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Those blurred photos we saw him hold up showed a man`s genitalia. The witness, a digital forensics examiner, says he got the images off a hard drive in victim Travis Alexander`s home just hours before he was killed. We don`t know whose penis was photographed, which is exactly why the prosecutor is questioning its relevance.

Remember, this is a highly sexualized trial. We`ve seen, much, much X-Rated evidence. For example, these photos, which are, again, graphic, that Travis and Jodi took of each other naked. We are not showing you the worst of it. But suffice it to say they are triple-X-rated shots of Jodi taken in the hours before she killed Travis while they were home alone.

Straight out to senior producer Selin Darkalstanian, who has been in court all week. This has to be embarrassing for both families who are sitting in court. What have you noticed in court when it comes to the blush factor here?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, SR. PRODUCER: It`s definitely embarrassing. There`s so much sex talk and there are so many photos shown in court. The prosecution did it and now the defense is doing it. So Travis` sisters are sitting there. They`re seeing all these things come out about their brother that they don`t necessarily want out there. This is supposed to be kept behind doors. And now it`s out there for the public. It`s a national trial, it is televised, and everyone is seeing these private photos of their brother.

On the other side you see Jodi`s mom. She is sitting in the front row. She is seeing these nude photos of her daughter splashed across the screen in the courtroom, and she just looks straight on. She doesn`t make any expression, so you can`t tell what she`s thinking, but it must be very uncomfortable.

The reporters in the back, at one point the judge did turn around and tell everybody in the courtroom to keep it under wraps, not laugh, not show a lot of expression, because it was getting a little -- very, very sexual in the courtroom, and everybody was reacting to the photos and was reacting to this testimony, and the judge even told everybody to calm down so the jury doesn`t notice all this that`s going on in the courtroom. I have never seen so much talk about sex in one single courtroom.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And I have to say that being in court myself, you`re already nervous in many other cases. You`re nervous and you have a tendency when something is making you nervous to giggle or snicker, not out of laughing but out of just sheer nervousness, and I can see that happening in this courtroom. It`s absolutely extraordinary. Joe Gomez, you are a reporter with KRLD in Dallas, you have covered this case from the very beginning. OK, we`ve been talking about the defense throwing all sorts of sex behavior and just anything that`s even questionable. We`re going to show you some examples in a second. Contrast that with what was done to Travis Alexander.

JOE GOMEZ, KRLD: Well, Travis was stabbed nearly 30 times, Jane. In fact, one of the times he was stabbed, his spinal cord was nearly severed. He was cut, his throat, from ear to ear. He was shot at point blank range, as I understand, in the head. As we recall, we saw scenes of the bloody scene where he was found murdered of blood all over the walls, all over the bathroom, and to counteract this with these graphic pictures and sexual imagery, I don`t understand a reason for it. Just because the man has a picture of some genitalia on his hard drive, does that necessarily paint him as a sexual deviant? I mean, this is 2013. You know, the year when sexting is rampant. It seems to me like they`re really pulling at straws here, the defense, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. And you raise an important point. This is a predominantly male jury, and maybe it`s going to backfire on them. Perhaps anybody, male or female, on the jury may have engaged in some sexual photography or sexual adventurism or questionable sexual behavior. It`s extraordinary. We`re all human beings. More on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever hear Travis call Jodi names?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever see Travis physically harm Jodi?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: 911 emergency.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My friend (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The state Arizona versus Jodi N. Arias. Count one, first-degree murder, premeditated murder.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi was Travis` dirty little secret.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Has he been threatened by anyone recently?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he has.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wouldn`t use obsession. It was a two-way street.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Caused of death of Travis B. Alexander.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I need to be honest. The evidence is very compelling, but none of it proves that I committed murder.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The defense wraps up week one proving by critics` standards that he`s an all-American guy who had sexual urges. Big deal. What does it have to do with her killing him alleging self-defense? Let`s go out to the phone lines. Christine, North Carolina. Your question or thought? Christine?

CALLER: Hey, Jane. You look beautiful as every night. And please tell your mother hello for me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I will, absolutely.

CALLER: I`m going to try to say this real fast, because I know you don`t have a lot of time, but all the sex issues are really bothering me and the thing about the PTSD. Now I have PTSD, personality disorder and anxiety disorder, because I was raped six times total.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, I`m so sorry.

CALLER: From when I was a child to one just two years ago. I don`t buy it with her, especially she leaves town after killing him and then goes and jumps in bed with another guy.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, first of all, thank you for sharing -- I thank you for sharing your story, Christine. But I think that, Holly Hughes, this caller brings up an incredible point. If she was so traumatized that she had to kill somebody in self-defense, then, hmm, why does she leave and go up to Utah after killing Travis Alexander and canoodle, not actually have intercourse but almost -- major fooling around with another guy who happens to be a work colleague of Travis Alexander`s?

HUGHES: Well, I think, Jane, what you`re talking about here is she probably just was either in shock or denial. And I think that`s one of the things we`re going to see the domestic violence expert explain when they take the stand next week. You have to remember, one of the big challenges for the prosecution here, their theory is inconsistent. They`re saying she planned it, she was manipulative, she rented a car, dyed her hair, so they have got this fantastic criminal mastermind planning every little thing, but the attack itself is so frenzied and so disorganized, and then she drives away and leaves all the evidence there. She leaves the camera, she leaves --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Whoa, she put the camera in the washing machine.

HUGHES: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And washed it.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: She`s not a forensics genius. She probably figured, oh, that`s going to wash away the pictures. How does she not know, no, they could retrieve every single one of those pictures?

HUGHES: But if she had it planned out, she would have taken the evidence with her, and as small as she is compared to his bigness, the best thing would have just been to shoot this man, if you planned to kill him. This frenzied knife attack, where he has got knife wounds all over his body, does support that this was some type of frenzied either self-defense as, you know, the defense team is saying, or the prosecution may call it she lost it. But there is that inconsistency they have to deal with. You can`t say she is so well planned, a criminal mastermind, and then all of a sudden this horrible, frenzied attack.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Criminals are not all there. I think anybody who commits any kind of violence is a little crazy. Maybe not in the legal sense, but certainly you have to be crazy to be violent, in my opinion. But I just think this is just such a desperation tactic, anything that`s questionable that Travis has ever done, not even questionable. Get this, the defense is so desperate to link Travis not just to sex but to any kind of violence, yesterday they questioned a friend about how Travis liked to watch ultimate fighting. Here`s a clip from ufctv.com.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) octagon.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joey Jackson, give me a break. He liked to watch ultimate fighting? Millions of people watch ultimate fighting.

JACKSON: Yes, it`s crazy, Jane. Listen, my good friend Holly Hughes raises a wonderful point. She`s a fantastic defense attorney, but this is the defense of diversion and distraction. Ultimately what does UFC have to do with this case? What does blowing up a picture of a male genital have to do with this case? You`re diverting from the real issue. If the issue is self-defense, get witnesses to explain it and get witnesses who speak to the issue of his past abusive behavior, that he was a monster, that he was a manipulator. To date we haven`t seen it. Perhaps we will. As of now, I am underwhelmed.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Holly?

HUGHES: Jane, I don`t think their point was because he watches this, he`s a violent person. I think their point is he wanted to be in this fighting. He was training for it. He lifted weights, he ran, he was this big, physical, fit person.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, my gosh.

HUGHES: So I think that`s probably -- well, you know, you can pooh- pooh it, but we`ve all seen that sometimes when you throw everything you`ve got at the wall, it does stick.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In other words, I have weights in my office that I use every so often when I`m on a call, that means I have a propensity toward violence?

HUGHES: It`s called totality of the circumstances. But again, we`re laughing and we`re joking, but it`s a very serious thing. A man was tragically killed, and the question is not who did it but why. And that comes down to the psychological dynamic between these two people. So while the prosecution is saying she`s a crazy, jealous slut -- and let`s face it, that`s what they`re doing when they show naked pictures of her, the defense has a duty to come back and explain that`s not the way it was. She was under his control. She was a possession. She was a damaged woman, even though she was never physically battered, she was emotionally battered. They have to present what they have.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We have got to break. We`re going to continue this debate on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were you shocked to learn that he was not a virgin?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: While he continued this facade of being a good and virginal Mormon man.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was cheating on me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know who he was cheating with?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The more the merrier (ph). She wanted to be him. She wanted to possess him. She wanted to know every breath he took.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are adults. If they want to take pictures of each other`s genitals and send it to each other and enjoy it, OK. It`s not a defense. It`s not an excuse for murder, for any kind of violence whatsoever.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: In Arizona, jurors can ask witnesses questions. And the jury did ask questions of two key defense witnesses. Check it out.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were the arguments between Travis and Jodi any different than arguments between other couples you have observed?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn`t think so.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you personally feel threatened by Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever see Travis hit Jodi or be in any way abusive to her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, none whatsoever.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did Travis ever call you names?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever hear Travis call Jodi names?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, let`s debate it. What do these juror questions tell us? Starting with Joe Gomez, reporter, KRLD.

GOMEZ: Well, they tell us, Jane, that Travis` former roommate obviously didn`t see any type of abuse going on from Travis to Jodi, that they had typical couples arguments, that for all intents and purposes they probably seemed like a regular couple. I don`t think this really shows us anything out of the ordinary. I just think that the defense is trying to get anything they can to try to paint Travis as some kind of argumentative deviant, and just throwing it out there, as you mentioned, to see if it sticks to the wall.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK, Brian Silver, criminal defense attorney.

SILVER: As a trial lawyer, this tells me two things. No. 1, she actually has a very good jury panel, because they`re giving her defense the time of day. They`re thinking about it. They`re asking the important questions. You know, tell us what you know about this. But it creates a difficulty at the same time, because they need to redirect the attention from the public Travis to the private Travis, the one that abused Jodi and drove her over the edge.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go out to the phone lines. Andrea, Connecticut. Your question or thought, Andrea?

CALLER: Hi, Jane. Thanks for taking my call. I love everything about your show, and I love what you do. I just want to know is it because Travis led a secret life and no one knows what goes on behind closed doors? Abusers usually don`t show that face to the public. The abuse usually happens behind closed doors when no one is around. If possibly he has some trauma in his past as a child growing up, drug addicted, that maybe caused him to experience some type of sexual abuse, because he`s sexually abusing this woman, Jodi.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, Andrea, you`ve raised a lot of questions. Holly Hughes, we know Travis Alexander was a self-made man, successful homeowner, doing well with prepaid legal. Even though he was born to drug addicted parents and then his grandmother raised him, and that`s how he got into Mormonism, does that play a role?

HUGHES: Well, it might. But from a defense perspective, they`re not trying to explain why Travis might have done these bad things. They just want the members of the jury to see that it`s possible that these things happened. So we`re not going to get this testimony, because the prosecution is not going to give it the time of day. They`re not going to call somebody on rebuttal and say the reason he was violent is because -- because they`re not admitting he was violent. But the caller`s first and foremost, the most excellent point the caller made is just because everyone is taking the stand and saying we didn`t see them fight doesn`t mean it didn`t happen. Behind closed doors in a personal, intimate relationship, you are going to act very differently than you do when you`re out in public, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, fantastic. Panel, thank you so much for a great debate. We shall see. Remember, we are all over this trial as it resumes on Monday. Our show 7:00 p.m. Eastern, and top of the hour "Nancy Grace Mysteries" will bring you inside Jodi Arias` defense with a wrap-up of the week`s explosive testimony. That`s top of the hour 8:00 p.m. here on HLN. Next up, a real-life deadly love triangle.
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NANCY GRACE

Jodi Arias Trial Notes, Week 6

Aired February 1, 2013 - 20:00   ET


THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: I have been here in the courtroom all week, between the courtroom and the jailhouse, the Maricopa County jailhouse where Jodi Arias is housed.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: This is one of the locations where Jodi Arias has her rec time every day. And I imagine that this is where she mulls what her new defense is going to be -- gets a little sun out here, gets tanned, rested and relaxed to go back into court.

So we`ve often wondered where she gets her ideas, her various defense theories. Here you have it. This is where the magic happens for Jodi Arias.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Really seeing the difference from what you see on a TV screen to what the reality is that this jury is seeing, what the reality is of where Jodi Arias is housed, I`ve learned a lot. Jodi Arias looks extremely frail and diminutive, demure, sheepish in court.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I complimented her on being very feisty, and I was kind of referring to she`s -- she`s a lot stronger than she looks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During this encounter when -- after you wake up, did she ever -- and the phrase may have been "adjust" you in any way while this encounter was going on?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, that`s what I mean. When we woke up, we were kissing, and then she eventually kind of grabbed me and adjusted me a little bit, and that`s when she got on top of me and we were kissing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did that -- were you able to feel her strength at that point?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you form an opinion as, again, throughout the day and part of that as to her strength?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, she`s strong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At any point, did you ever kiss her stomach?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And were you able to see her stomach in terms of whether or not she was in shape?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, close to a sixpack, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You remember the first time you and she had sex, though, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do remember, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she was very aggressive, wasn`t she.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were both aggressive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, do you remember when the person came to talk to you, one of the things that you told them was that she was pretty aggressive on the first time that you had sex. Do you remember saying anything about that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do not recall saying that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not only was she aggressive, she was enthusiastic about it, wasn`t she. The sex, I mean.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were both enthusiastic, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she was comfortable with the intimacy, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We all know that she`s got her chair screwed down very low next to her female defense lawyer. It makes her look even smaller. She very rarely looks anywhere except down at a page in front of her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever hear Travis call Jodi names?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever see Travis physically harm Jodi?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you know that the defendant was having oral sex with Mr. Alexander at the time that -- of her baptism?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did not know that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So if somebody was having oral sex at the time of their baptism, you would agree that wouldn`t be a sincere, if you will, baptism under your definition, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would agree that they would not be ready to be baptized.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: I sat about 15, 20 feet from her and watched her during court. She would repeatedly cover her face and shield it from the jury, look down and doodle. Her drawings are -- there`s bidding going on for them on eBay for up to $2,000, Jodi Arias drawing in court.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You told her that Travis was gone, or words to that effect, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said there was a moment of silence, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then she began to what, cry?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To -- I don`t know if you would call it babble, but to mumble, Oh, my goodness. She sounded disbelieving.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she confide to you at that time that she killed Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did she tell you she killed Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, she did not.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was Travis ever abusive to you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did he ask you to have sex with him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you feel pressured to do anything?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did Travis ever make sexual advances to you while you were dating?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, just all it was, was making out.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How do you define cheating?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What I understood it to be, and what I would still understand it to be, is if you are in a committed relationship and you -- whether you`re kissing or any other sexual activity is going on outside of that committed relationship, I would consider that cheating.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you were shocked to hear Travis was a virgin, why did you break up with him after you found out he was cheating on you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I believed him to be a virgin. And so I broke up with him because I had understood he had done whatever it was with Jodi. That`s what I had believed. And then he had told me that was not the truth, so I did get back together with him after that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you feel that Travis`s job interfered with your relationship with regard to travel and phone calls?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And it has brought home to me yet again the veneer, the painting, the backdrop that the defense is creating for this jury. And from the moment I stepped in the courtroom, I have heard nothing but degrading facts against Travis Alexander. And that hurts me as a crime victim myself because I don`t believe that is true.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After Travis`s death, were you shocked to learn that he was not a virgin?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you always feel that you were doing the right thing with regard to premarital sex?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During the time that he was kissing -- and again, not to get too much into this -- he achieved an erection, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did not massage his erection, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He did not massage his own erection, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a biological response to your lips, wasn`t it?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And at that time, because of your inexperience, you thought that he should have controlled his penis from becoming tumescent or getting big just because he was kissing you. You thought that`s what the problem was, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it was because of your inexperience, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: This week was a blockbuster week. The defense kicked off, and it was immediately torpedoed by the state on cross-examination. It seems as if every witness the defense puts up falls apart once they are cross- examined.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But on cross-examination, Brewer may have done damage to his ex-girlfriend`s case. He told the prosecutor Arias took a nude picture of him in the shower.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was always taking photographs, period.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But some of it included you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some included me, sure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In fact, she would take pictures of you sleeping at some point, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe there were a couple of shots like that, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She also took nudes of you at some point, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was one incident in the shower, where she took a picture, yes, one.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So she took a picture of you while you were in the shower, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn`t ask can her to take that picture. She took that picture of you, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Remember, she snapped these photos of Travis Alexander in the shower seconds before prosecutors say she started stabbing him. He also testified Arias visited him the day before the murder and borrowed two of his gas cans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she made more than one call asking you for these gas cans to make a trip to Arizona, didn`t she.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The prosecutor then showed Arias`s gas receipts. He says she filled up those cans in California so she could make it all the way to Alexander`s house in Arizona and commit murder without leaving any tracks.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: But to me, the most startling and the most memorable moment in court was when the prosecution on a cross-exam of a witness, a defense witness, put up a photo of Travis Alexander with his neck slashed from ear to ear, a gaping wound.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Objection. (INAUDIBLE) completely irrelevant, and it`s quite frankly...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, counsel approach. Counsel approach.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: It brought it all back to what this trial is about, the murder of an unarmed young man, the murder of a young man by a woman that had stalked him for months, had done violence to him before and finally murdered him.

I find it prophetic that on many occasions, jokes were made by Travis Alexander about Travis Alexander turning up dead, buried in the desert, that Jodi Arias would come back and kill him because he broke up with her.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: You told me that she is in maximum?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s in maximum security (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: OK, what is that?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, it`s a custody level. Custody levels are determined by classification. Their bond amount affects things. Their charges affect things, possibly past escapes or institutional history. So there`s all kinds of things that go into classification of an inmate. And she`s a maximum inmate probably -- and I can`t tell you exactly why, but probably mostly because of her charges and the bond amount.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: The courtroom has become increasingly packed. I`ve noticed that with each day, more and more spectators come. I think it has to do with Arias herself because when you look at Arias, she is so petite. She looks so demure that it`s very difficult -- it`s almost as if the eye is tricking the mind because you know of the hard evidence against her that points to murder one, but when you look at her, it`s very difficult to fathom that such a tiny and meek woman could do such a heinous act.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She didn`t want to be recognized when she went over to Mr. Alexander`s home because she was going to kill him. In addition to bringing a gun, she also brought a knife. And when she got there, she engaged in whatever conduct she engaged in, and then she began to attack him. She began to attack him after she had, in a matter of speaking, lulled him to sleep, had him in a very vulnerable position sitting in that shower.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: But what the jury must keep in mind is the hard evidence, specifically the evidence of Travis dead in a shower. And that photo catches Jodi Arias`s foot and leg.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is your foot, Jodi. These are your pants. Now, it`s off color because we had to enhance it and the color kind of changes a little bit. That`s Travis.

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: This is his bathroom. That is not my foot!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those are your pants. It`s a different color, like I said, because we had to enhance it and the color changes. The zipper...

ARIAS: I have both of those pants at home, if these are the same ones. I don`t have a zipper there, though, not on mine. And this is a black stripe and this is white, and the black is around the (INAUDIBLE) too.

If this is his shower and he`s sitting here, I was, like -- well, this is his shower, he`s sitting here, I was, like, right here on my knees. And his bathtub is right here, and I was taking them here. And I was just going through the pictures, and I heard this loud ring. And I don`t really remember except Travis was screaming. I think I got knocked out, but I don`t think I was out long.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: And what is so telling, what is so probative or what it proves about the murder, is that she came into that bathroom. He was naked in the shower. She was clothed. He didn`t see a knife and a gun. Why? She had them concealed in her clothing. That one photo tells it all, that this was premeditated. She went back into the bathroom fully clothed hiding a gun and a knife. This was not self-defense. This was premeditated.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you choose to go visit Travis that day? And why did you do what you did?

ARIAS: I would never hurt Travis.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did. You hurt him. That`s why we`re here. That`s why I flew up here, because I needed to talk to you about this. I can just arrest you and throw you in jail, but I want to know why. Why did you do this to him?

ARIAS: I wouldn`t hurt Travis! He`s done so much for me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s so much evidence in that house, so much. And it all points to you.

ARIAS: I -- I lived there. I was there for months and months and months.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: You know Arias? How do you know her?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) in medical because I go to medical quite a bit, and I`m there when they take her. And she`s really nice. She said that she did it to defend herself.

GRACE: She did it to defend herself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was her reason, that he was going to kill her. And so she killed him first.

GRACE: Have you been following any of the coverage?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A little bit. I have my husband let me know because I love "In Session" and your channel.

GRACE: Thank you. I`m just trying to figure out how it could be self-defense since they were taking sex photos, and then within, like, 30 seconds, she was stabbing him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said that...

GRACE: I don`t even want to wonder where she had the knife concealed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Exactly. All I know is that she told me that she did it because she was afraid for her own life and he was going to murder her. And in order to not get caught, she did chop him up into pieces. And that`s why she put parts of his body throughout the county.

GRACE: She did what? She told you what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She put parts of his body throughout the county.

GRACE: She told you that?

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Where do they meet with their lawyers?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We have a legal visitation area. There are four legal cells back there. It`s divided somewhat with, like, a mesh screen, but there`s a document passthrough so they can have contact with their attorney for paperwork to sign or things to look at, what have you. Or if their custody level is lower, they can have face-to-face visitation.

GRACE: That mesh pushthrough, how thick...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s probably about an inch-and-a-half, maybe an inch, inch-and-a-half, just enough to get some -- a lot of time, if it`s -- the discovery is very thick, very big, they`ll have to piece it through there a little bit at a time.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: The first witness that the defense called, I think, fell flat. It was Gus Searcy, a former colleague of Jodi Arias. He described her as always being professional, dressing professionally. He described a phone call that he thinks she had with Travis Alexander in which she started crying and shaking.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did Ms. Arias identify who she was speaking to?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, Travis Alexander.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So could you describe for us her demeanor after the phone call?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once it got heated, she executed herself, stepped outside. She talked to him for about a half an hour outside, and when she came back in, she was shaking and crying.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Had you seen her act like that before in any of your prior interactions with her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever see Ms. Arias get mad at Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That was the extent of his testimony. But as it turns out, he had only been around her on four occasions. Three of those occasions were at work. Most people put on their best face at work.

The fourth occasion was when she stopped by his motor home as she was moving, and that`s when he observed the phone call. I mean, how do I know it was Travis Alexander on the other end of the phone? And if it was, how do I know he didn`t say, Why did you slash my tires, and she started crying?

I don`t think that the first witness, Gus Searcy, served the defense very well at all.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Anybody escape -- ever escape from this jail?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. Yes. We`ve had escapes. We`ve had attempted escapes. We`ve gotten them back. But yes, we`ve had escape attempts. We always say attempts because we always get them back.

GRACE: Do you. I mean, do they actually leave the grounds?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The last one jumped off the roof and broke both ankles, feet and back, so she didn`t get very far.

GRACE: How did she get up on the roof?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She climbed the rec yard fence. That`s what it was. Climbed the rec yard fence and went through a bunch of other fencing, got up on the roof and then went to the corner of the building and jumped off.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you have any reason to believe Mr. Alexander was not living up to the principles of your church?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) manage to stay so calm?

ARIAS: Through my faith. And through the knowledge of my own innocence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know the defendant was having oral sex with Mr. Alexander at the time that -- of her baptism?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I did not know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You would agree that that wouldn`t be a sincere, if you will, baptism under your definition, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would agree that they would not be ready to be baptized.

ARIAS: I`m all for the 10 Commandments, Thou shalt not kill.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is no evidence to show anybody else did that. None.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The first time I heard that he had beat her, I thought, Are you kidding me? That -- that -- that`s not possible.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever see Travis hit Jodi or be in any way abusive to her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, none whatsoever.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever hear Travis call Jodi names?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi had to make a choice. She would either live or she would die.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With 29 stab wounds?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did she confide to you at that time that she killed Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did she tell you that she killed Travis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, she did not.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well, it`s very difficult to determine how a juror will view a particular witness, but what I did notice about the jury is that 17 out of the 18 jurors don`t even look over at Arias. There was one male juror that looked at Arias during the testimony. The others very pointedly avert their gaze. They physically turn away from her. I find that a telltale sign as to what they think.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you talk to him about that sometimes you felt that he wanted you just for your body?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did say that in the e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that your kisses didn`t mean anything to him?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did say that in the e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That you felt that it was a way for him to let out some sexual tension?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did say that in the e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That he had so much of?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Again, I said that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did that make you feel used and dirty?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did say that in the e-mail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did someone tell you that Travis was texting and calling Jodi and another female?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. Actually, Jodi and another female had texted and called several times while we were together. Jodi called numerous times. It`s almost as if she knew we were together at the time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever refer to Jodi Arias as a stalker of Travis Alexander?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ever see an argument between Travis and Jodi?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And can you tell us what happened?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We were in the car and we were driving (INAUDIBLE) And somewhere along the way, Jodi wanted to stop and take some pictures. So she got out and took some pictures. And when she came to get back in the car, Travis drove off a little bit and made it so she couldn`t get in the car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Travis was driving as a joke, you mean?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, as a joke. And then he stopped and she got in and...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And when Jodi got in -- when Jodi got in the car, was she -- did she say something like, That wasn`t funny?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His response was just very -- stark (ph), I would say. It seemed a little over the top for the encounter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK. Did he raise his voice?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he did?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, he did.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have never known a more levelheaded, calm, mature man. The first time I heard that he had beat her, I thought, Are you -- are you kidding me? That -- that -- that`s not possible. He -- if there was any kind of confrontation that he needed to have with someone, it was never even a confrontation. It was him explaining, saying very calmly, you know, Let`s understand this together and let`s work out this problem.

There was -- I have never seen him fly off the handle or even get overly emotional or overly angry. To me, it`s ridiculous that he would -- just the thought of him abusing somebody.


ARIAS: You know, I was taking a road trip that week. I wasn`t going to Arizona. I was going to Utah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: June 2nd, 2008, 8:04 AM.

ARIAS: I stopped in Redding at the airport to rent a car.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By 7:32 PM, Arias is in Lodi, California, stopping at a McDonald`s for a large fry and bottle of water. June 3rd, just after 10:00 AM, Arias makes three deposits in two separate bank accounts at Washington Mutual in Monterey, California. By 8:31 PM, Arias is in Pasadena, California. She stops by a CVS pharmacy, followed by an 8:41 PM visit to a Pasadena Starbucks.

ARIAS: I left Starbucks and was talking to him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: June 4th, Arias makes a 3:00 to 4:00 AM arrival at Travis Alexander`s home in Mesa, Arizona.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you were on the road at that time?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At 5:31 PM, Arias attacks and kills Travis Alexander.

ARIAS: I felt so helpless because I wasn`t there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At 10:30 PM that night, Arias calls her new love interest, Ryan Burns.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she got tired and so she fell asleep.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: June 5th, Arias arrives at Ryan Burns`s home in West Jordan, Utah, between 10:00 and 11:00 AM. June 6th, Arias leaves Burns`s home between midnight and 1:00 AM.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We kissed probably many times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Arias makes two purchases around 4:00 AM from a gas station in Salt Lake City, Utah. June 6th, 10:38 AM, Arias makes two purchases at an In-n-Out Burger in Sparks, Nevada. After visiting a 7- Eleven...

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... June 7th, 12:20 PM, Arias purchases more fuel at a Valero in Redding, California, and returns her rental car to Budget, arriving nearly three hours late and after traveling more than 2,800 miles.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: I also have observed their questions. This jury gets to ask questions. In this jurisdiction, that is allowed. Their questions are slowly turning toward conviction. Is that a neon sign saying guilty? No. But it`s better than the earlier questions, where they were clearly speculating that a roommate of Alexander`s had committed murder.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know this lady here in the blue shirt?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you know her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know Jodi because we were in love.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did that romantic relationship then evolve when you were co-workers?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, it did. We began to spend a little more time together, our relationship was not supervisor/employee anymore, and became infatuated and fell in love.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did your sex life with Jodi Arias involve the wearing of little boys` underwear?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it involve putting her in schoolgirl outfits and pigtails?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it involve bending her over desks?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it involve ejaculating on her face?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it involve calling her a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A three-hole wonder?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Once again, a defense witness backfires on cross-examination. A former lover of Jodi Arias, Brewer, takes the stand, and he describes Jodi Arias in a positive way. But then we learn she was, in fact, aggressive with him during sex, and more importantly, that as she traveled that last time to see Travis Alexander, the trip during which she murdered him, she insisted on borrowing multiple gas cans from him and filling them up with gas to take a trip.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Isn`t it true that in May of 2008 you received a telephone call from the defendant, Jodi Arias?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I could have, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, isn`t it true that during that telephone call, she was asking you for a favor. Do you remember that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember that during that favor (SIC), she was asking you for gas cans in May of 2008 at the very end so that she could make a trip to Mesa, Arizona. You remember that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she made more than one call asking you for these gas cans to make a trip to Arizona, didn`t she.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In fact, in the first part of June of 2008, she called you again asking about these gas cans to go to Mesa, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": You`ve got to take your witnesses as they come, and the defense believes that the witnesses they`re putting on the stand helps their case, laying the foundation to show the state of mind of Jodi Arias, which is a proper beginning.

But the problem is, at least with Daryl Brewer on cross-examination, we get one more theory of premeditation. It has to do with those gas cans, the gas cans that Jodi asked Daryl Brewer for at the end of May.

She said she was taking a trip to Mesa, Arizona. How did she know she was taking a trip to Mesa, Arizona, at the end of May? Prosecutors will say it`s because she premeditated. She premeditated a crime that was going to it occur. And that coincides, by the way, the end of May, with the burglary of her grandparents` home, where lo and behold, what went missing was a .25-caliber gun, and that, a .25-caliber gun, was used to shoot Travis.

GRACE: Now, most people stop at a gas station. But this shows that Jodi Arias either wanted, one, to burn the evidence, or two, and/or two, to cover her tracks. She didn`t want to stop for gas during the 11-hour drive. She wanted no receipt, no videocamera surveillance at a 7-Eleven, nothing to suggest that she had been in Travis Alexander`s home.

CASAREZ: A gas can was involved in the Casey Anthony trial also, but it was different. That is a coincidence because here, prosecutors are using it as premeditation, that she knew she didn`t want a record of her trip from Mesa to Salt Lake. So if you fill the gas cans up in Pasadena and your own car gets you to Mesa, then you can get from Mesa to Salt Lake and nobody will ever know.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After this date of June 4th of 2008, you had an occasion to receive a telephone call from Jodi Arias, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was very agitated, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Agitated? She was sad. She was upset.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She told you during that conversation, though, that her friend had been killed and she did not have an alibi. She told you that, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She did not say that, no.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She didn`t tell you anything about her friend being killed?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She told me her friend had been killed, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She didn`t tell you anything about the alibi?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

GRACE: During the cross-examination, witness Brewer, who was Arias`s former lover, it came out that she was aggressive during sex. I think that that was brought out on cross-exam by the state to show the other side of Jodi Arias, a side the jury hasn`t heard about yet from the defense, anyway.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jodi was a very responsible, caring, loving person.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she knew of your son?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She did know of my son, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And did you -- how long a period of time did you date Ms. Arias all together?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just about four years.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Defense witness, former lover of Jodi Arias, Daryl Brewer, also testified under oath that Arias had taken multiple photos of him, nude photos of him, in the shower, just as she did Travis Alexander.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was doing well as an employee?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was excelling, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How was Jodi`s relationship your son?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was outstanding.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were they close?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were close.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did Jodi ever act jealous at all?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not that I saw.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever notice her being violent or having a violent temper?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You remember the first time you and she had sex, though, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do remember, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she was very aggressive, wasn`t she?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were both aggressive. We became infatuated and fell in love.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s when the defendant obtained the breast implants, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, she did (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did it involve calling her a whore?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A slut?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A three-hole wonder?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Well, she`s the one claiming Travis Alexander is the sex deviant. In my mind, that`s the pot calling the kettle black. She`s the one taking all the pornographic digital photos, not Travis Alexander. In fact, that`s her history. So in my mind, that`s a pivotal point for the state.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: What are we approaching right now? This looks like some kind of a guard...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Right. This is what we call a housing unit. This is a tower set up for us. So we have a tower in the middle that is in this housing unit since there`s close custody. This is manned by three officers. We do security walks every 25 minutes. And when they`re in the housing units, they have to have two officers when they`re with that custody level of an inmate. However, Jodi Arias is not a close custody. She is max inmate.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jodi Arias could join three other women currently sitting on Arizona`s death row if a jury finds her guilty as charged. A first degree murder conviction could land Arias in line for what`s recently become one of the nation`s busiest death chambers.

The state carries out all post-1992 convictions by lethal injection and now permits witnesses tow watch prisoners put to death. Its courts recently gave the green light for witnesses to observe the entire execution process, including insertion of the lethal IV. Arizona courts further OKed a one-drug dose of pentobarbitol as the method for death. But the state is said to have only enough supply of the drug to carry out one more execution before it`s forced to find an alternative.

Convicted rapist and double murderer Dale Stokely (ph) was put to death last month by prison officials who delivered his lethal injection by cutting into his groin area, this in efforts to find an artery suitable for delivering the drug. The femoral catheter procedure is standard alternative when officials run into trouble inserting IV lines into a prisoner`s arm.

Arizona has carried out 34 executions since readopting capital punishment in 1992, yet none of those were carried out against a woman. The only woman to be executed in the state`s history, Eva Dugan (ph), was put to death by hanging more than 80 years ago. A death sentence would mean Arias would spend the rest of her days in a maximum custody 12-by-7- foot cell.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Some things you can buy, caffeine, shampoo, something (INAUDIBLE) toothbrush, comb, soap, rulebook, of course, inmate rules. They can get reading material in our library.

GRACE: I doubt pretty seriously they`re spending a lot of time reading the inmate rules.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You notice how crisp and clean that is and how - - how...

(CROSSTALK)

GRACE: ... beat up.

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: Yes, this has not been perused.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, probably not.

GRACE: Crispy and clean, you`re right.

(LAUGHTER)

(END VIDEOTAPE)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The door to that house had a security device. When somebody would come in, it would make a ringing sound, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And it was sometime in the evening that this front door made a ringing sound, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You went downstairs -- and Mr. Alexander was over at your house, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And both of you went downstairs to investigate and found nothing, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Correct.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a result of that, you asked Mr. Alexander to spend the night with you, didn`t you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he, in fact, did spend the night with you, didn`t he.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: During that time, you were in the kitchen, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And was Mr. Alexander in the kitchen?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And while the two of you were standing there in the kitchen, did somebody come into the house unannounced?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was that the defendant, Jodi Arias?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When she came into the house, she saw you and she saw Mr. Alexander, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what entrance did she come in through?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The front door.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when she came in and saw the two of you there, she turned around and just left, correct?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, she ran out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She ran out. And these incidents were the reasons why you indicated that strange things were happening and that`s why you ended up breaking up with him, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Also for the defense came Travis Alexander`s former girlfriend. Once again, the defense witness backfired. As opposed to painting him as a sex deviant that beat her or belittled her or abused her, she said he did none of those things, that he never belittled her, pressured her for sex, physically, emotionally or verbally abused her. As a matter of fact, they dated about a year, they never even had sex. So this clearly torpedoes the defense that he was a sex pervert.

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« Reply #138 on: February 04, 2013, 04:40:32 PM »

Jodi on the stand scandalous! She's throwing her mother under the bus!
I was beat with extension cords when I was a child thru my teens! I lived in a very violent home! Nothing like the mild beatings jodi is portraying!
I didn't kill anyone! Nor did the thought of killing anyone ever cross my mind! I was in a very abusive marriage! Beyond abuse! But I never thought to kill him

She's realy trying to make excuses as to why she killed Travis!
Oh and also when she made the statement " no jury will ever convict me"
Now she's got another lie! That she was going to kill herself! Depressed people don't have the energy to enter Christmas singing contests!

Just saying! I hope the prosecution
Chews her up
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« Reply #139 on: February 04, 2013, 07:14:29 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-tells-jury-killed-alexander-planned-kill/story?id=18399979
Jodi Arias Takes the Stand and Says She Killed Travis Alexander, Planned Suicide
February 3, 2013

odi Arias took the stand today and quickly told the jury that she killed her ex-boyfriend, Travis Alexander, in a bloody attack in 2008.

And in a surprise, Arias told the jury that she also planned to kill herself.

"Did you kill Travis Alexander?" defense attorney Kirk Nurmi asked Arias immediately after she took the stand.

"Yes," Arias said softly, turning to look at the jury.

"Why?"

"The simple answer is that he attacked me and I defended myself," she said.

Arias, 32, also explained why she said in a news interview, "No jury would ever convict" her of murdering Alexander. At the time, she said it was because she was innocent, but on the stand today she said she made that statement because she had plans to commit suicide after the interview. The interview took place in September 2008, three months after the killing.

"I was very confident that no jury would convict me because I was sure I'd be dead," she said. "Those are probably the most bitter words I'll ever eat."

Arias is on trial for murdering Alexander by stabbing him 27 times, slashing his throat, and shooting him in the head twice. She could face the death penalty if convicted.

Nurmi questioned Arias extensively about her early childhood. She said that she was subjected to frequent, violent beatings by her mother and father, who used belts, a wooden spoon, and their hands to discipline her and her siblings.
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