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« Reply #200 on: February 13, 2013, 03:46:33 PM »

After watching Casey Anthony's trial, I just can't make myself sit and watch this one.     I see enough through video clips, transcripts and articles to make my blood boil as it is.     I tried watching some of Jodi Arias's trial and it brings back too many memories of the injustices from Caylee's death and cover up.  So much lying and legal b.s.     JMHO 
I totally agree muffy. I dont watch much of it because her little sweet innocent act makes me want to puke. I also get angry that our justice system allows this known liar to sit up there & spin tales when there is zero proof that any of it is true. The whole he liked young boys thing makes me sick when no proof of that was found in his home or on his computer. If that were true im sure his fetish would have led him to the internet. Why why why is this allowed to be heard by a jury?!? Travis' friends & family could talk about the tire slashing or the stalking but thats not allowed in? Someone please explain to me how this works. I will NEVER understand how an attorney can live with themselves with the lies & lives they ruin. This poor guy was viciously murdered & they are okay with smearing his name for the sake of a deserved defense? It takes a special kind of scum to have an occupation like that imo.
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« Reply #201 on: February 13, 2013, 04:01:59 PM »

Hi Monks!! 
I cannot watch this trial at all. I am following it somewhat with newsclips, but it makes me angry and sad to see Travis Alexander get murdered all over again by this slut liar. She is pure evil and this reminds me of babykiller all over again.. all of the crap she is making up just to save her sorry, evil ass.. she has no shame.. who records phone sex?? murdering ho.
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« Reply #202 on: February 13, 2013, 04:45:24 PM »

Hi Monks!! 
I cannot watch this trial at all. I am following it somewhat with newsclips, but it makes me angry and sad to see Travis Alexander get murdered all over again by this slut liar. She is pure evil and this reminds me of babykiller all over again.. all of the crap she is making up just to save her sorry, evil ass.. she has no shame.. who records phone sex?? murdering ho.
Right! Why would she record it? Maybe setting up a defense early on? Or she wanted to have something to use against him later. I think she probably did it to have something to hang over his head with his church & friends. I think the murder she actually thought she would get away with. Amazing how god works considering the camera taking death photos without her knowing. I actually think these scumbag defense attorneys came up with the used, battered thing as a defense & she had plenty of time to write the script. How freaking long do they get to question her? I want to see her sweetness when the prosecutor gets a chance at her. I sware if she is found not guilty, my faith in humanity will truly be gone. After seeing that jury of idiots let casey anthony off scott free i cant take another one!
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« Reply #203 on: February 13, 2013, 06:49:12 PM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1302/12/ijvm.01.html
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL

Jodi Arias Phone Sex Tape Played in Court

Aired February 12, 2013 - 19:00   ET


THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST: The most graphic day in court yet. The defense plays a tape of Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander having phone sex. Wow. Is it X-rated? In between moans, she describes his incredible sexual stamina, and he talks about a sexual fantasy. It`s triple-X-rated.

The defendant hides her face during most of it. But does it prove self-defense or does it backfire on Jodi Arias?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL (voice-over): Tonight triple-X-rated phone sex tapes between Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander played in open court. Jodi and Travis share their graphic sexual fantasies, including making porn together. Chills in the courtroom as Travis`s voice is heard from beyond the grave.

Why would Jodi record and save these sex calls? Was she obsessed with Travis? Was it a plot to blackmail him? Do these tapes make Travis look abusive? Or does Jodi sound like an eager participant in sex games? We`ll debate with our expert panel and take your calls.

JODI ARIAS, MURDER DEFENDANT (via phone): I don`t mind receiving while you`re doing the giving.

JUAN MARTINEZ, PROSECUTOR: There`s the phone sex that she recorded.

TRAVIS ALEXANDER, MURDER VICTIM (via phone): I like how you play whatever role you need to play.

ARIAS: That was fun.

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, JODI`S ATTORNEY: During this phone call, Travis tells her that she sounds like a 12-year-old girl. So hot.

ARIAS (on camera): We were erotic, and he made me feel sexy and attractive. So I stayed on the phone with him.

(via phone): I like being handled. I like being handled. (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight the most astounding and sexually explicit day of the trial so far, as the defense plays graphic triple-X-rated phone calls between Jodi Arias and her now-dead ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander.

Do these explicit phone calls prove that Travis sexually degraded Jodi or do they peg her as a very willing participant in very, very, very kinky sex games?

Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, coming to you live.

The stunning 32-year-old photographer is accused of stabbing her ex- boyfriend 29 times, slitting Travis Alexander`s throat ear to ear, and shooting him in the face. Now she`s trying to prove she did all of that in self-defense.

Jodi hid her face in apparent shame as the defense played this long and extremely graphic sex phone call detailing Travis and Jodi`s sexual fantasies. There`s moans; there`s groans. We warn you this is very graphic, but it is what was played in open court. It`s central to the defense claim that Jodi was sexually degraded and abused by Travis Alexander. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEXANDER (via phone): I`m going to tie you to a tree and put it in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) all the way.

ARIAS (via phone): Oh, my gosh. That is so debasing. I like it.

ALEXANDER: I`m going to tie your arms around a tree and blindfold you. And put the camera on a timer while I`m (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you.

ARIAS: Oh, my gosh. You are full of ideas.

ALEXANDER: It takes creativity to top ourselves.
ARIAS: I know it does. We`ve gotten way creative in the past. I have to give you most of the credit, though, as far as the creativity ideas go. I`m game for like almost everything you come up with.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: "I`m game," she says, and the call didn`t stop there. The jury and the entire courtroom, including Jodi and Travis`s families, heard Travis compare Jodi to a 12-year-old girl. Once again, graphic, but it was played in open court.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEXANDER: The way you moan, baby, it sounds like -- it sounds like you are this 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm. It`s so hot.

ARIAS: It sounds like what?

ALEXANDER: Twelve-year-old girl having her first orgasm. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) this hot little girl.

ARIAS: You are bad. You make me feel so dirty.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Call me: 1-877-JVM-SAYS. What do you think? 1-877- 586-7297.

Straight out to our senior producer, Selin Darkalstanian. Selin, you were in the courtroom during this entire embarrassingly-graphic phone sex call. What was it like in the courtroom?

SELIN DARKALSTANIAN, HLN SENIOR PRODUCER: Jane, Jodi`s father and brother, who have been in court this week, actually had to step out -- they did not want to be in the room -- before this tape was played.

There was a lot of build-up to this tape being played in the courtroom. The judge addressed the gallery and the audience sitting in the courtroom, saying, "Please do not show any reaction. We`re going to play a very explicit sex phone call tape right now." And she addressed the courtroom before this call was actually played.

But it was very, very uncomfortable. They played this phone sex call with her mother, her aunt, and her sister sitting in the front row on the defense side. And on the prosecution side, we had all of Travis`s family, who all sat through the entire tape.

And it was pretty long. I mean, we heard them having an entire conversation, being playful, laughing, singing, but a good chunk of it was them being extremely sexual.

And I was looking at the jury during the phone sex, and as it was being played, and a lot of them were looking down at their notepads. They couldn`t even look up at her or anybody in the courtroom. Most of them just had their heads down like this as they were listening to the tape being played.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Listen, I want to admit something. It was so graphic I went and listened to it in my office and shut the door, because I was too embarrassed to listen to it in front of my staff. That`s how cringe-worthy this tape was. I couldn`t listen to it and make eye contact with anybody else. It was just too much -- too much sex, too much triple-X-rated content.

Jodi testified yesterday that she awoke one night to Travis in the act of having sex with her, i.e., she was raped by him. Well, on this tape, this secretly-recorded or this recorded tape -- she claims that he asked her to record it. We`ll get to that in a second. Well, anyway, she recounts a sex act that sounds eerily similar to that. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I fell asleep on your chair next to your bed, and you just like woke me up by pulling my pants off and totally licking my (EXPLETIVE DELETED). I remember that was hot.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go to our panel to debate this. There was a massive debate in our newsroom. Is this a homerun for Jodi Arias or is it her demise? Does she sound like someone who`s an abuse victim? Or does she sound like an eager, willing sex partner? "Oh, that`s so degrading. I like it."

All right. Let`s start with Wendy Murphy.

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: It this tape, aside from making the jury upset, is likely to desensitize them a lot, which is bad for the defense.

And, you know, this is the only time Travis has a real voice, and he isn`t saying things that are remotely like the Travis she`s testified about, the really bad guy who`s beating the hell out of her and abusing her in all sorts of ways. This is terrible for the defense.

But let me be clear. The prosecution is going to make a tremendous amount of this tape during the closing when they say, "Did you hear the tape and did you hear anything go on at all, ever, where Jodi Arias said, `Never mind, stop. I don`t like that`?" Not at all. She was titillated. She was horny. She was moaning. She was loving it. This was pure porn.

ELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Drew Findling -- Drew Findling, however, he does -- he does say on the tape, "I`d like to tie you to a tree and blindfold you and bleep you bleep."

DREW FINDLING, ATTORNEY: This is absolutely demeaning to this woman and all women. And if you -- and I`ve tried so many of these cases. Battered widow syndrome, cases, to a juror, and when they -- I don`t know what world you`re living in. If you have one woman juror on this case -- and you have more than that -- this is demeaning to this woman and all women.

This is not a home run for the defense, but this is something that turns the tide. She said it, and now she has backup for it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jon Lieberman. I see you shaking your head.

JON LIEBERMAN, HLN CONTRIBUTOR: Yes, I mean, because here`s the thing. This tape now serves as fact. And the fact is that Travis isn`t acting aggressive or, you know, he`s -- what I`m trying to say is, her statements, we know she`s a liar.

But yet, when we hear the two of them together on this tape, you know, he wasn`t controlling. He was nice. She initiated a lot of the pleasant conversations between the two. It doesn`t jive with the portrayal of the victim that she has been portraying in her testimony. It`s about credibility, and we already know she`s a liar.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, I want to give Jordan Rose a shot, and then we`re going to hear more of this extraordinary phone sex tape.

JORDAN ROSE, ATTORNEY: She`s absolutely a liar. She contradicts herself over and over again. She loves it on the tape, and then afterwards she testifies it was awful. This is virgin turn vixen, and we watched her turn into a vixen for a few moments during this horrible, awkward tape, and then afterwards, she`s trying to prove that she`s an angel again. Very strange. Very bad for Arias today.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s play another clip. And then we`ll continue our debate. During the phone call, Travis and Jodi discuss making a pornographic film together. Though Travis first mentioned the idea on the call, Jodi certainly had some creative input. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEXANDER (via phone): Setting like perfect. I mean, it could be like legitimate porn.

ALEXANDER: Yes.

ALEXANDER: In every sense.

ALEXANDER: I`m envisioning one, like, when you`re (EXPLETIVE DELETED) me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Holly Hughes, it seems like she went along with it, but can they kind of explain that away by saying that`s part of the battered women syndrome, to go along with whatever crazy or degrading idea the guy has?

HOLLY HUGHES, ATTORNEY: I think that`s where we`re going with this, Jane. And we need to get beyond the fact that this is a sex tape. These two people never expected the world to be listening in on this private conversation. What they`re setting up is the dynamic between the two.

And no, he`s not raging and he`s not abusive, but what I hear on that tape is a man who`s very dismissive of her. He`s not paying any attention. He`s like, yes, whatever, until she starts talking sexy. Then he wants to engage in phone sex.

OK, but what I hear is a woman trying to please him. She`s obviously in love with him. She`s going along with things.

And yes, there are times she enjoyed it, absolutely. But I think what the defense is trying to do is show you the dynamic of...

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Jon Lieberman.

LIEBERMAN: The inconsistencies. I mean, you know, she said today in public he used to grab her rear end, yet she testified earlier that she was his dirty little secret. I mean, I have pages and pages of inconsistencies that are going to come out at cross.

I mean, she says that Travis forced her to record this sex tape and yet, you know, Travis wanted to hide their sexual contact from the world. So why in the world would he force her to record a sex tape? There`s just...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`ve just begun debating this huge day in court. Thank you.

Jurors hearing graphic phone sex tape conversation. We`re going to play you the highlights, or the low lights. Listen.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS (via phone): You were amazing. You made me -- seriously, you made me feel like a goddess. Like, I wasn`t saying you were like worshipping me but you were -- you made me feel like I was the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planet. Like, I so felt like I was a goddess.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEXANDER (via phone) (singing): I love you, for all that you are.

ARIAS (via phone) (singing): (UNINTELLIGIBLE)

(speaking): Have a good night. Sweet dreams.

ALEXANDER: I love you (ph). You have a good night, too.

ARIAS: OK, honey.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: The shocked faces of Travis Alexander`s family. Yes, they botched the national anthem and other songs. Then it`s unbelievable how graphic this tape is. That was sort of toward the end after they had both climaxed. Let`s just call it what it is. Although she claims that she was faking it, twice.

On the tape Travis describes his fantasy of tying Jodi to a tree and having anal sex with her. She responds playfully, saying, "How debasing. Ooh, I like it." But she testified on the stand she was not into it, that she was just humoring him. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: I just said, "That`s so degrading." I didn`t want him to feel bad for expressing himself and his fantasies. So I quickly added, "I like ," so he didn`t feel like I was insulting his personal fantasies.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tiffany Davis Henry, sex therapist. Boy, do we need one tonight. So yes, it`s called erotic humiliation.

TIFFANY DAVIS HENRY, SEX THERAPIST: Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And a lot of people may not be familiar with why this is a sex game. And some people actually really enjoy it.

HENRY: Some people do really enjoy it, Jane. And what erotic humiliation is, is when one partner tries to gain pleasure or arousal by being humiliated or by humiliating their partner. It could be verbal. It could be physical. It could be public. It could be private. But the bottom line here is that they enjoy inflicting or receiving some type of humiliation, the debasing, as she`s talking about, torture, pain. All of that is pleasurable.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and I mean, people hear about bondage or people know about bondage from the movies, but this is sort of a subset that may not be as familiar. That it doesn`t necessarily involve whips and chains, that it`s just simply these verbal putdowns and debasement turn both partners on.

Now, is that the same as being a battered woman? And can they mix that up with battered women`s defense? Or is that mixing apples and oranges?

HENRY: You know, it`s a fine line. But I say, this is not about being a battered woman. This is about kinky sex. And what we`re hearing a lot of is a lot of kinky set. And that`s not, for this couple, a bad thing. This is something that was consensual.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it was for this couple.

HENRY: It ended up bad.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It definitely ended up bad.

HENRY: It did end up bad. But in and of itself, it was consensual. What we heard on that tape today was "I agree to do what you just asked me to do, and I kind of like it."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes.

HENRY: So that`s one of the things that we have to remember is, whether -- whatever she says now, you know, is what we`re questioning, but on those tapes, she said, "I`m consenting to it. This is what I want to do. Sounds good to me."

So I can understand why Travis may have said, "OK, we`re good to go with this."

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Johnny, Colorado, your question or thought? Johnny, Colorado.

Johnny.

CALLER: What I was just saying is when the defense got on their side, I kept thinking, "Is this all you got?" you know, mockingly. But after, like, watching it, this is really all they have. They really don`t have anything.

Because the bottom line is she had to defend herself from being killed. And that`s where we`re going. And if they`re trying to build it up like she`s being abused, I`m not seeing it. Do they have anything that corroborates this story?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, I want to go to Beth Karas. You`re in there. Is there corroboration beyond this audio tape of all of this stuff, including the fact that she claims that they videotaped an actual porno on a very crucial day. Tell us about that.

BETH KARAS, TRUTV`S "INSIDE EDITION": Right. She says the only video they made was on the day that she killed Travis Alexander. Although when photos were restored from the camera that she had thrown in the washing machine, there were photos. There was no mention of video. And we haven`t heard anything about video in this case. Maybe she had a camera that she took with her also. This was Travis`s camera she put in the washing machine.

But I do think that Jonny does raise a good point. It`s really all the defense has left here. And the longer she`s on the stand looking at that jury, crying periodically, letting the jury know mom and dad are in the courtroom, she told them that yesterday, I mean, the more likely it is, it seems, that her life will be spared. They may still convict her of first-degree murder, but twelve jurors may not send her to Death Row.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Dave Hall, Travis Alexander`s good friend, quick reaction to this extraordinary sex tape. Was this a side of your friend that you`d never seen before or heard before?

DAVE HALL, TRAVIS ALEXANDER`S FRIEND: Definitely a side of Travis that I had never seen or heard before. I knew that he struggled with morality issues with Jodi and that he was working on getting past that in his life.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Well, I want to hear more of your analysis on the other side. We`re just getting started. We have so much to debate, so much to play for you. Stay right there.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KIRK NURMI, JODI`S DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Did you come away with the understanding that Mr. Alexander had a sexual interest in children?

ARIAS: Yes. He kicked me in the ribs, and that hurt.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ALEXANDER (via phone): You introduced me to KY. Did you know that?

ARIAS: I introduced you to KY?

ALEXANDER: Yes, I had never -- I had heard of it, obviously, but I had never used it.

ARIAS: You know, I had never used it. And I had always heard of it until one day I just bought it. Because it`s so cliche and people make fun of it and, you know, but it`s great stuff.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`ve already seen the naked photos Jodi took of Travis right before he was killed. And take a look at this one moments before his death. It shows him there naked with a bottle of KY jelly nearby.

He says in this phone call that Jodi introduced him to the sexual lubricant, and later on the stand, Jodi admitted that she used to before her relationship with Travis. So essentially, some people were saying, "Well, that looks like she`s seducing him. She knows all about the KY. He doesn`t. He`s the innocent."

She claims, well, he didn`t want to buy KY, because as a Mormon, he didn`t want to be seen going into a store and buying KY, which is obviously a product that you use in conjunction with sex.

I want to go to our very, very special guest, Brian Carr. This is an exclusive interview. This is Jodi Arias`s new friend, you might say. We have video of him in court. There he is, spotlighted there.

Brian, you have been in the courtroom, a regular presence. You`ve visited Jodi almost weekly in jail. So what is Jodi Arias going through right now? We saw her crying today before the start of court. Visibly upset, her eyes puffy. What is she going through as this trial proceeds?

BRIAN CARR, FRIEND OF JODI (via phone): She`s getting very tired. She`s very stressed out. But at the same time, she`s very positive thinking.

It`s really taking a toll on her. It`s very hard for her, especially with the sex tapes going in front of her family. She`s taking it very hard right now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: How did you get to meet her, and why do you want to be such a loyal friend? I know you make it very clear you`re not a romantic interest, not a boyfriend. And we discussed that before you came on. So I want to tell our viewers, you`re not a romantic interest. But how did you meet her, and why are you supporting her?

CARR: Why I`m supporting her is because my sister was in a very abusive relationship. She was beaten numerous times from her ex-husband.

And I went to visit Jodi. I was actually in the area and wanted to give her a supporting hand, reaching out to her. And I actually came to get to know Jodi while I did these visits with her. And yes, I support her. She`s a great person. She`s an amazing person. People have their opinions in America, but I mean, what they`re making Jodi out to be, it`s not her whatsoever.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Brian, and this is a friendly interview. I told you -- I said I`m not going to attack you. I don`t want to attack anybody who comes on. I just let them tell their story.

But I guess people say, "Well, look -- look at the crime scene." And she admits that she did it, and she did lie before and she admits she lied. Do you have any understanding of why her story changed?

CARR: Yes, I mean, if you look at her track record, she`s never been in trouble a day in her life. She`s never had problems with her ex- boyfriends, well, in the stories that she told about them. She`s never had any problems. She`s never been in trouble with the law. She`s a scared person.

And that`s one of the -- that`s things you do when you get scared, you`re going to change your stories. And the fear brings out the truth.

Now here she is speaking the truth, saying it was in self-defense, and not one single person out there, including anybody, knows what happened behind -- besides her, behind closed doors. And you really can`t judge that.

Yes, her stories might be a little shaky, but you can`t doubt her either. I mean -- and if you truly got the number, I mean, it`s hard not to believe her. She`s a great person.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Why do you say she`s a great person?

CARR: I mean, she`s very talented. She always thinks positive. She has one of the biggest hearts. I mean, it`s something that you have to go see her or actually truly get to know her to understand.

She -- and I have all remorse for Travis`s friends, Travis`s family and Travis himself, but she actually showed proof of her finger being broken where she was kicked in the hand. I mean, she has the proof. I mean, I know her stories have changed. But...

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. Actually, she also held up, we believe, and we`re going to play it, that same hand and said that the ninjas caused that injury.

CARR: I mean, she explained to me what happened when I went to visit her in jail. She claims that it was Travis, as well. I mean, seeing that right there when I go visit her in jail, I mean, her finger is not the prettiest thing. Her finger is injured, for sure. And it`s not going to heal any time soon.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Brian. If I could ask you to stand by. We`ve got to take a very quick break, and we`re going to come back.

We`re also going to hear from Travis Alexander`s friend. Extraordinary how everybody can see the same thing and have wildly different conclusions. Wow, more on the other side.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: Always way creative. I have to give you most of the credit as far as the creativity ideas go. I`m game for, like, almost everything you come up with.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have the most incredible stamina that I have ever, ever even dreamed of encountering.

JENNIFER WILLMOTT, DEFENSE ATTORNEY FOR JODI ARIAS: Travis was still able to use Jodi for his own sexual desires through the phone.

JODI ARIAS, ON TRIAL FOR MURDER OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: This is wrong. And I don`t want to be right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s something that seems like has upset Jodi Arias a great deal.

ARIAS: You know what I really like is when we were in the bathtub with the candles and I have the brace.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I loved the brace.

ARIAS: Those were hot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Her testimony, I think, has become seductive. It`s slowly bringing the jury into the idea that maybe this was what is called heat of passion.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Truly a head-spinning day in the Jodi Arias trial -- the most graphic day yet. Look at the defendant. She`s hiding her face because she`s listening to herself allegedly fake climaxes and have very, very dirty, dirty sex talk with the man she ultimately killed.

And of course, the defense is playing this in the hopes of incriminating the victim, essentially putting the victim on trial and using his own words against him.

So listen to this audio tape, a phone sex tape that she recorded claiming it was at his behest where he talks about, well, listen for yourself. It`s almost hard to describe.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you and Travis ever videotape yourselves while having sex?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And whose desire was for that to take place?

ARIAS: At his. There was just one video.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One video. And when was that video made?

ARIAS: On June 4th, 2008.

As I said, that`s so degrading, I didn`t want him to feel bad for expressing himself in his fantasies, so I quickly added, I like it just so he didn`t feel like I was insulting his personal fantasies.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow, ok, we are also going to play the audio of the phone sex conversation where Jodi Arias and Travis Alexander talk about doing a very, very triple x-rated thing involving a tree. Listen to this. All right. Well, we`ll play it for you in a second.

All right. I want to go Dave Hall, Travis Alexander`s good friend. You heard that -- now Brian Carr, who is a close friend of Jodi Arias, is visiting her in jail saying she`s a wonderful person. She couldn`t do anything. She`s a fabulous person. I`m not trying to put him down, you know. He`s entitled to his opinion.

But as Travis Alexander`s friend -- Travis isn`t here to speak for himself -- what do you say?

DAVE HALL, FRIEND OF TRAVIS ALEXANDER: Well, you know, Brian is entitled to his own opinion. And Brian has only known Jodi for a few weeks now. I have known Jodi for seven years. I`ve known Travis for well over 10 years. And 12 hours after Travis was murdered, Jodi showed up with my house with that left finger all bandaged up.

So it`s wasn`t the ninjas and it wasn`t Travis months earlier that hurt her finger. It was during the murder when he was defending himself that he might have broke her finger. So stop feeling bad for her.

And I`m past the point of shock and awe at this point about people that are sticking up for Jodi and she did. I mean Charles Manson had his loyal followers. And Ted Bundy has people proposing to him in jail after he admitted, you know, murdering women and stuff like that.

But I listened to Jodi on tape today supposedly having two orgasms and yet getting on the stand saying I was just faking it -- in other words, lying. If she`s already shown she`s such a great liar, why would anyone believe anything she`s saying on the stands? She`s proving that she`s lied and she`s very, very good at lying.

Brian, if you want to help a battered woman, go find someone who honestly has been battered and give them the love and the support they truly deserve instead of someone who is making a mockery out of battered and abused women.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Do you want to respond, Brian? I didn`t intend this as a debate, but if you feel like responding, I want to give you that opportunity.

BRIAN CARR, JODI ARIAS` FRIEND: Well, yes. I mean he`s also entitled to his opinion. I mean the talk about Charles Manson or Ted Bundy and Jodi Arias in the same sentence or in the same category is a little ridiculous.

Yes, I mean I haven`t known Jodi really that long, but I mean from what I do know, she`s a big-hearted person. It`s hard for me because my sister was abused. And now to see Jodi be going through this when she had to defend herself because not one single person out there if they can`t get away and call the cops because no one knows what happened behind closed doors. They are going to defend themselves.

No one can really say that she killed him in cold blood. No one can say that whatsoever unless you were absolutely there at the house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let me -- I want to play the sound of the tree incident. And that`s from the phone sex call. Then we`re going to debate it with our expert panel. Listen to this.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m going to tie you to a tree and put it in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED) all the way.

ARIAS: Oh my gosh. That is so debasing. I like it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m going to tie your arms around a tree and blindfold you and the put the camera on a timer while I`m (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you.

ARIAS: Oh my gosh, you are full of ideas.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It takes creativity to top ourselves.

ARIAS: I know it does. We`ve gotten way creative in the past. I have to give you most of the credit though as far as the creativity ideas go. I`m game for like almost everything you come up with

(END AUDIO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s bring in our expert panel to debate it.

John Manuelian, two different men seeing the same person and coming up with wildly different conclusions about the character of this defendant -- your thoughts?

JOHN MANUELIAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, and listen to what Mr. Hall said. He`s known Travis for many years and he didn`t know this side of Travis Alexander which makes these tapes very effective. Remember, they`re attacking the choir boy reputation.

There`s another side of Travis Alexander and the name of the game is reasonable doubt. It`s the highest level of certainty and that`s all the defense needs to do. Brick by brick -- build this reasonable doubt.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wendy Murphy?

WENDY MURPHY, FORMER PROSECUTOR: You have to be credible or it`s not reasonable and she isn`t. Look, the tree-tying stuff, what`s so interesting about it is that it never happened. This was fantasy talk, not action. There was no tree tying, none of that ever happened. She hasn`t said that it happened.

What did happen is they took bubble baths. She admits to that. He gave her oral sex for 45 minutes. Hello. Is that an abusive man? Is that an abusive guy? I mean come on.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Findling, ok.

DREW FINDLING, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Let me tell you something.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right.

FINDLING: You know, Wendy is a great defender of children and I admire that. And I wonder if she were on a jury she would think this. It`s not only that, you know, all these dreams of every woman to be tied to a tree and anally sodomized and ejaculating on her face. But how about when he said you`re hot like a little 12-year-old girl?

What woman juror and even male juror is --

MURPHY: Listen to me.

FINDLING: No, no, no. What juror is --

MURPHY: She`s making this stuff up.

FINDLING: No, I didn`t make it up. It`s on the transcript. "Hot like a 12-year-old little girl." Who is going to accept that -- Wendy? What juror is --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Hold on. Hold on, guys, guys, guys, guys.

I want to give the other -- I was going to say contestants -- but panelists a chance to weigh in. We`re going to take a very quick break and we`ll continue this debate on this extraordinary day of trial.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he express gratification when you had him on your body?

ARIAS: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How so?

ARIAS: He said, "That`s hot".

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How did you feel wearing these boys` underwear?

ARIAS: Well, not hot. I felt kind of silly.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We are all over the Jodi Arias trial -- special coverage every day at 1:00 p.m. Eastern.

We`re debating this extraordinary day. Phone sex, what does it mean? Is it great for the defendant or does it paint her as a willing participant in extremely kinky sex? Debate on the other side.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean it looked like she`s already been crying doesn`t she. She looks very sad there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I see a red nose.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s something that seems like has upset Jodi Arias.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Details on how to present -- they believe anyway - - how to present this phone sex tape.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s listened to this tape and knows what`s coming on the tape.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The judge says we have an issue that we have to take up amongst ourselves.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a mystery right now.

BETH KARAS, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": I knew there was going to be testimony because she wasn`t on the witness stand. She was at the counsel table with her lawyers when the jury walked in. I said, "Uh-oh, something is up."

JOEY JACKSON, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what; expect the unexpected.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this in light of what is to come, possibly in that courtroom?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re all over the Jodi Arias trial. But we are also tracking an extraordinary man hunt for a former LAPD cop. Chris Dorner, live pictures you`re looking at of a cabin in Big Bear, California. Police have cornered Dorner. We believe a SWAT team is inside. Officers detonated smoke devices at the cabin sparking a huge fire. You may see the smoke from the fire.

Dorner has been on the run since allegedly killing three people February 3rd. You can see live coverage of the standoff on CNN. Wow, what a crazy case.

And back to our extraordinary day in court with Jodi Arias. We`re going to debate the following sound bite. But let`s play it for you first. Travis allegedly compared Jodi to a 12-year-old girl. You can decide for yourself what you hear on this phone sex call. We warn you it`s graphic but it was played in open court and it is central to the defense claim that Jodi was sexually degraded by Travis. Listen to this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The way you moan baby, it sounds like -- it sounds like you are this 12-year-old having her first orgasm. It`s so hot.

ARIAS: It sounds like what?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm. (EXPLETIVE DELETED) this hot little girl.

ARIAS: You are bad. You make me feel so dirty

(END AUDIO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go back to our panel. Jordan Rose, is this a home run for the defense or is this basically doing the prosecution`s job for them? All right Jordan -- I`m going to switch out to John Manuelian, criminal defense attorney. What say you?

MANUELIAN: Here`s the thing. She`s doing fine on direct, but she`s supposed to be doing fine. This is her moment. But the real question is - - is she going to survive on the cross. If she could survive on the cross, then the defense has a chance of showing reasonable doubt. But that remains to be seen, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Listen, do we have Jordan Rose? Because I want to ask her a question -- she is there in Phoenix, Arizona. What does the prosecution need to do?

The defense has put Travis Alexander on trial. There may be prudes in the jury. What does the prosecution have to do to rip her apart when they start the cross-examination?

JORDAN ROSE, ATTORNEY: This prosecutor is absolutely going to have a field day with this woman. And in fact, all he has to do is ask her questions because she lies and she rambles. And the more she rambles, the more you see there`s some truth, there`s some lies, you just have no idea. Her only MO and the reoccurring theme in her life seems to be she`s very successful at finding men, exploiting them, having them support her, moving on to the next man, doing all sorts of physical, sexual things with them and then she`s continually regurgitating them. She`s --

VELEZ-MITCHELL: But I will say this. I will say this. The defense said in court today that Jodi lent Travis Alexander $900 -- Holly Hughes, criminal defense attorney, very quickly.

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. She -- Travis was not supporting her. She was making her own living. They never lived together. He didn`t pay her rent. None of that.

What this tape does is it shows the dynamic. There are times when Travis refers to himself in the third person, you know. He`s talking about what a busy month he has. It`s a busy month for Mr. Alexander.

What they are going to do is they are going to bring on their experts following her psychologist and a domestic violence expert to explain what that type of personality means, who is the submissive, who is the controlling one, even though it`s not your typical battered woman.

I don`t think we`re going to hear that Travis beat the hell out of her on various occasions. What they`re going to try and use is emotional manipulation. And they`re going to say on these tapes, we hear a woman who is saying everything she can to please him, to make him happy.

The other really big important point is -- she was stalking him, Jane, but this is a month before the murder. And she`s actively engaging with her. So it takes away that whole stalking thing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s a good point.

We`re going to continue on the other side. Hang in right there.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you thrilled and happy that Travis beat you up?

ARIAS: No.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you want to shout it from the rooftops?

ARIAS: Definitely not.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Time for "Pet o` the Day". Send your pet pics to hlntv.com/jane. Oakley -- you are just ready to rock `n` roll. Baby Gracie -- I just think you are delightful. Hanz is very regal, very fantastic. And look at this, The Beasts bunking down. This is adorable.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

ARIAS: You`re coming up here before Cancun?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, that`s my plan.

ARIAS: You`ll see me and we`ll go Oregon Coast and Crater Lake. And then I guess you`ll go up to, what, see your friends in Washington or something?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not going to do all that. You`re the top of the list.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tiffanie Davis-Henry, relationship expert, the prosecution has painted Jodi Arias as some kind of crazed stalker and that he didn`t really want anything to do with her but, yet, this is about three weeks -- this audio tape was made about three weeks before she kills him, and they`re getting along just fine.

TIFFANIE DAVIS-HENRY, RELATIONSHIP EXPERT: They seem to be getting along famously. It does seem to be an instance of erotic humiliation. However, Jane, I think there is a little co-dependency going on here; people who -- she presents very co-dependent to me. And that`s not to say that I`ve seen her but I`ve seen these characteristics before in individuals that I treat. Putting his priorities before her own, not being cued into the social cues of not really being available. He`s not a man that`s been available to her emotionally and he certainly has her mistaking his sexual attraction for love and affection.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: A very good analysis and we will continue our analysis on the other side.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Findling, is there a possibility here of a hung jury?

FINDLING: Yes, I think there`s definitely a chance. It just takes one juror to equate this perverse behavior, talk of 12-year-old little girls, boys` underwear, tying to trees. Equate that with abuse, whether it be verbal, sexual or physical -- one juror to think that and that hangs the jury up.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Holly?

HUGHES: Absolutely. I think her testimony humanizes her, being on the stand that long takes the death penalty off the table. If they don`t hang it, Jane, I think that probably what we`re going to see is a compromised verdict, maybe a manslaughter.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wendy, five seconds, hung jury?

MURPHY: I don`t care if the guy fantasized about killing baby kittens, nothing she said justifies murder. End of discussion.

(CROSSTALK)

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, end of discussion. Thank you all.

Brian Carr, Jodi`s friend, joining Dr. Drew.

And now for more on Jodi Arias and the manhunt -- Nancy Grace.

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NANCY GRACE

Jodi Arias Phone Sex Tape Played at Trial
; Ex-LAPD Cop Barricaded in Cabin Now Engulfed in Flames

Aired February 12, 2013 - 20:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

JODI ARIAS, CHARGED WITH MURDER: I was totally tired and I was asleep, and I would have been completely content just cuddling with you once we got into bed, but you had another agenda! But I don`t mind receiving while you`re doing the kissing. So, like, I was (INAUDIBLE) And so aside from all those warm, fuzzy feelings, like, it was so sexy and I was so hot and -- oh, gosh!

TRAVIS ALEXANDER, MURDER VICTIM: Start touching yourself.

ARIAS: I am already. I was stroking my hand, giving you a hand job.

ALEXANDER: (INAUDIBLE) (INAUDIBLE) night and day (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: Are you serious? I wish you were here. If you were here, my grandparents are asleep (INAUDIBLE) shut and lock the door and (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

ALEXANDER: Your body is so hot! (INAUDIBLE) You sound like a 12- year-old having her first orgasm.

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) put on a little extra makeup. I really, really, really want to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) You`re bad! You make me feel so dirty.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.

Bombshell tonight. After Jodi Arias tells a jury murder victim Travis Alexander was a pedophile, with nobody in court to refute that or challenge it or tell the truth, today we learn Arias in the weeks before Travis`s murder buys a gun, dyes her hair, and then tape-records herself luring Travis into phone sex. We have the audio. But what does this lurid and XXX display have to do with self-defense?

 ::snipping2::

ut first, right now, straight into the Arias courtroom.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

ALEXANDER: Well, actually (INAUDIBLE) sounds like you`re a 12-year- old girl having her first orgasm. That`s so hot.

ARIAS: I know. Sounds like what?

ALEXANDER: A 12-year-old girl having her first orgasm, like (INAUDIBLE) a little girl.

ARIAS: You`re mad! You make me feel so dirty!

ALEXANDER: You are dirty. (INAUDIBLE) I just want to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) with you. I like that term. It`s a marathon. I`m going to tie you to a tree and put it in your (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

ARIAS: Oh, my gosh. That is so debasing. I like it!

ALEXANDER: I just want to tie your arms around a tree, blindfold you, and put the camera on a timer while I`m (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you.

ARIAS: Oh, my gosh! You are full of ideas.

ALEXANDER: It takes creativity to top ourselves.

ARIAS: It really does. We`ve gotten way creative in the past. I think I give you most of the credit, though, as far as the creating ideas. I`m game for, like, almost everything you come up with. But you really are a wealth (ph) brain of ideas. You are, like, quite the source.

When we took a bath together?

ALEXANDER: Uh-huh.

ARIAS: That was -- that was surreal. And honestly, I think, I mean, maybe the candlelight and the bubbles all had something to do with it, but you were amazing. You made me -- seriously, you made me feel like a goddess. Like, I wasn`t saying you were, like, worshipping me. But you were -- you made me feel like I was the most freaking beautiful woman on the whole planet. Like, I so felt like I was a goddess. And so aside from all those warm, fuzzy feelings, but like, it was so sexy and it was so hot!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Everybody, we are live tonight, taking your calls, camped outside that Phoenix, Arizona, courtroom, where today, once again, a travesty of justice unfolds.

After yesterday, I really didn`t think anything could top the judge allowing this woman, Jodi Arias, to tell a jury that the murder victim, Travis Alexander, was basically a pedophile. No one was there to say no, to challenge her, to tell the truth. And then today, the defense brings in a phone sex tape.

We now learn that in the few weeks leading up to Travis Alexander`s murder, this woman, Jodi Arias, dyes her hair black, buys a gun, drives 1,000 miles to get to the murder victim, and also lures him into phone sex and secretly tape-records it. Now it`s a defense exhibit.

We are taking your calls. Straight out to Beth Karas joining me there in front of the courthouse. Beth, what does this have to do with self- defense?

BETH KARAS, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, you know, I think the defense wanted to introduce this tape to show some of the things Jodi Arias said occurred did occur. OK, he had sexual fantasies and they acted on some of them. He wanted to tie her to a tree and do things to her.

There`s nothing on this tape that indicates that he abused her, he was physical with her in any way, but it does show that they did engage in some of these acts. That`s about all I think the defense gets out of this. One could argue the state gets as much or more out of this tape because she certainly seems consensual and willing, at least on the audio.

GRACE: Out to you, Alexis Weed, also joining us at the courthouse. Alexis, again, I still don`t see -- I`m going to repeat my question. What does this have to do with self-defense? If anything, it shows her luring him into a phone sex conversation. Yes, he`s a willing participant. That`s not a crime.

So I just don`t understand what this has to do with showing that the day she stabs him, slicing his neck ear to ear, stabbing him 29 times and capping him in the head -- how does this show self-defense?

ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, Nancy, after sitting and listening in the courtroom today for over an hour of these audiotapes, all I kept hearing was two consensual adults engaging in this conversation, this very sexual conversation. And Nancy, Jodi Arias is laughing throughout much of this conversation.

GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, Renee Rockwell, Atlanta, Chris Alexander, veteran defense attorney, New Orleans. And also with me, Sheryl McCollum, crime analyst.

All right, first to you, Renee. Just try to put it in a nutshell for me. Explain to me what, if anything, this has to do with self-defense.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, in the scheme of things, they`re putting a voice to Alexander and making him look kind of creepy and greasy.

GRACE: OK, maybe you didn`t hear that question. What does this have to do with self-defense?

I`m going to go to your protege Chris Alexander, a defense attorney out of New Orleans. Chris, what, if anything, does this have to do with self-defense? The last time I looked in the evidence code, there was nothing in there allowing the defense to prove the murder victim is greasy or debasing. Nothing. Nothing at all.

As a matter of fact, the evidence code shows just the opposite, that dragging the murder victim through the mud is disallowed unless that reputation goes to show the victim had a propensity for violence. And we don`t see that. We don`t see that at all in this tape.

CHRIS ALEXANDER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s correct, Nancy. I would have listened to these tapes in camera, if I were the judge. I would have determined if the probative value of any relevant issue in the case is very slim.

But it`s extraordinarily prejudicial against Travis. The defense team wins because this is introduced into evidence. There`s no question. But the probative value is so, so little. The only way it could be beneficial would be if it could demonstrate some degree of psychological manipulation or abuse that made her acts reasonable. That`s the only way it...

GRACE: Psychological manipulation?

ALEXANDER: ... would come in...

GRACE: Manipulation? She`s the one that calls him. She`s the one that lures him. She`s the one that secretly records him in a plan to murder him.
Weigh in, McCollum.

SHERYL MCCOLLUM, CRIME ANALYST: She`s the one that is taping him without his knowledge. She`s the one that is setting this whole thing up, Nancy, to make herself look good. Again, this is 50 shades of crap! She is bringing everything sexual that she possibly can into this courtroom to show that she`s the victim. I say let her talk. And on cross- examination...

GRACE: Did you say...

MCCOLLUM: ... they are coming after her.

GRACE: ... 50 shades of crap?

MCCOLLUM: She is full of crap. She is a liar.

GRACE: I like it. OK, Liz, back in the courtroom.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

ALEXANDER: Start touching yourself.

ARIAS: I am already.

ALEXANDER: I just started.

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) soap on my hands, giving you a (EXPLETIVE DELETED)...

ALEXANDER: (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) once I start -- once (INAUDIBLE) once a month (INAUDIBLE) since she`s (ph) left (EXPLETIVE DELETED) every day (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: Are you serious?

ALEXANDER: Well, it`s (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

ARIAS: I wish you were here. If you were here, my grandparents are asleep, I would bring you in my bedroom, like, shut and lock the door and (EXPLETIVE DELETED) go at it all night. You make me so (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Seriously, I think about having sex with you every day, several times a day. (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) inside of me (INAUDIBLE)

ALEXANDER: I`m glad (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

ARIAS: What?

ALEXANDER: I said I`m really glad that we (EXPLETIVE DELETED).

ARIAS: Well (INAUDIBLE) I don`t want to be right. (INAUDIBLE) Like, seriously?

ALEXANDER: Seriously, I`m like, OK, Jodi, (INAUDIBLE) Jodi, Jodi (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: Like, I -- I don`t know. What`s wrong is that I wish we were doing it before.

ALEXANDER: Yes.

ARIAS: That was good.

ALEXANDER: It must be good, why not do it, yes.

ARIAS: I know what you mean.

(END AUDIO CLIP)
 ::snipping2::

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GRACE: We are live tonight, taking your calls. In a stunning turn of events, when we thought it couldn`t get any worse for Travis Alexander, Jodi Arias manages to top herself. After claiming he`s a pedophile yesterday in her direct examination under oath, today she brings in a lurid, XXX-rated phone sex tape that she taped of herself egging Travis Alexander on.

This was in the weeks leading up to his murder, during the weeks she dyed her hair, bought a gun, traveled 1,000 miles to get to Arias.

We are taking your calls. Out to Sandy in Illinois. Hi, Sandy. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I know I only have 30 seconds. I`ve got three. I`ll make them really, really fast.

GRACE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Number one, today in court, she specifically says about the infamous Travis shirt that she probably made up herself -- she said that Travis wanted her to wear that out into the lobby in front of everybody.

Hasn`t she been whining over and over that he would not show her any emotions or any feelings or anything in public or anybody? So doesn`t that catch her in a big lie right there?

GRACE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Number two, if Travis supposedly lunged at her when he dropped that camera, wouldn`t he have lunged at her for wrecking his Mercedes-Benz? Because she said in the second phone call to the detective, while they were on the phone, she said she wrecked that Mercedes-Benz, and she goes, Oh, he handled it so well. But yet he`s going to lunge at her for a camera but not for a car.

And then, number three, regarding this voice of hers. She is purposely changing her voice on these phone calls to sound like a 12-year- old girl, and kind of like luring him into liking her more because she`ll sound younger and more sexier or something. I think that, like I say, one line for her would be, He`s not that into you, Jodi.

GRACE: Well, you know, I think that that`s something that`s being shown in these tapes.

Let`s go out to psychologist Caryn Stark, joining me out of New York. Caryn, I think Sandy in Illinois has a point. I think that this shows her as pursuing him. And for Pete`s sake, this is a phone sex tape, Caryn. At certain points, he just sounds completely bored.

Can`t you just imagine her driving 1,000 miles to get to him. She`s got a gun and a knife with her. And then he tells her after a day full of sex, a sex marathon, he`s still taking another girl to Cancun. She becomes unhinged.

Here we see her pursuing him, and his own voice shows he`s just not that into her.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: He sounds very disinterested, Nancy, tired. He really sounds tired.

GRACE: I mean, for Pete`s sakes, Caryn, it`s phone sex!

STARK: Yes, Nancy.

GRACE: You`d think he`d be a little more excited, huh?

STARK: No, but she is. She`s very excited and she does sound very young.

GRACE: She`s not excited! She told the jury that it was all a big lie. Come on, Caryn Stark, are you trying to tell me that you really believe all these women on these phone sex lines are really into it? They`re probably watching "When Harry Met Sally" on mute. They`re not into it, Caryn!

STARK: Well, I don`t know, Nancy. She`s certainly trying to encourage him to be into it. And she`s not only going along with his fantasies, but she`s creating new fantasies. And this man is not a pedophile, not somebody who`s responding the way he is to her, even if he sounds bored.

GRACE: Well, what I don`t like is that, once again, she`s dragging Travis Alexander through the mud.

STARK: Right.

GRACE: And the judge is just sitting there, letting it happen. I can`t blame the judge. I don`t hear the prosecution object to a darned thing. Now, there is a chance that the prosecution objected before it was admitted, and he`ll get a smackdown in court if he continues to object throughout this. But I`ll be darned if I would not be raising a ruckus while the victim is being dragged through the mud!

She`s already murdered him, and now she is doing this to him to make him an outcast in the Mormon church.

Everybody, we are live at that Phoenix courthouse, bringing you the very latest, but we are also live at Big Bear Lake, California, two sheriff`s deputies wounded in a shootout with suspected renegade ex-LAPD Christopher Jordan Dorner. The body count has risen at the hands of this ex-cop, now a cop killer.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

ALEXANDER: (INAUDIBLE) your body is so hot. (INAUDIBLE) (EXPLETIVE DELETED) just right. It`s just right. It`s just (INAUDIBLE) how female you are, how hot you are (INAUDIBLE) those curves (INAUDIBLE) You`re the prototype. You made (INAUDIBLE) And then, most of all -- oh, I love it! -- is how much detail (EXPLETIVE DELETED) you have.

ARIAS: (INAUDIBLE) I like the things because I`ve always been self- conscious about those things, and you make me feel like...

ALEXANDER: It makes you, like, a super woman.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: She`s uncomfortable! She`s been having oral and anal sex with this guy -- I mean, the worse -- the more he ignores her, the more she pursues him sexually. And now the defense has introduced phone sex tapes between Jodi Arias that she taped, we believe, secretly of the murder victim, Travis Alexander, leading up to his murder. For what? Why was she taping him?

Out to Alexis Weed, our team member there at the courthouse, basically camped out in front of the courthouse. Alexis, what was her motivation for making these tapes? Now, I know she says Travis Alexander wanted her to make the tape, but do we have anything to corroborate that, or is this just like the pedophilia story?

WEED: Oh, yes, Nancy, it`s just like the pedophilia story. These are Jodi Arias`s words that we`re having to rely on at this point. She said that she had this new phone from Gus Searcy, that she was practicing taping these conversations because it was Travis who wanted the conversations taped, that she tried over and over, that`s why the conversation is a little bit disjointed, but that it was really Travis. She did this at Travis`s request, she said.

GRACE: OK, Beth Karas, joining me from "In Session." Is there anything to suggest she ever sent these conversations to Travis Alexander? What, she wanted -- he wanted her to record him having sex on the phone, then what, keep them for his memoirs later? What? Why did he want her to record these?

KARAS: She said he liked to listen to them again. However, there`s a lot of innocuous talk in the beginning and end. Obviously, it was sexy in the middle of it. But we don`t know of any evidence that she ever sent it to him.

GRACE: What about it, Jane Velez?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, HOST, "ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL": Listen, I think that this sex tape could very well blow up in the defense`s face. They ended very strong yesterday, Nancy, and I think that one of the reasons Jodi Arias might have been so upset and crying before court even started is that maybe she and her attorney were arguing about whether to play this. I think it backfired big-time!

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ARIAS: I really, really, really want to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) right now so bad!

ALEXANDER: (INAUDIBLE) across your forehead.

ARIAS: I think (INAUDIBLE) porn star thing, I`ll put on a little extra makeup (INAUDIBLE)

ALEXANDER: Well, whatever you want (INAUDIBLE)

ARIAS: Oh, my God! Wow, that would be hot, like, you bust me for being, like, nude in public or something and (INAUDIBLE) and be like (INAUDIBLE) and you`re, like (INAUDIBLE) redeem yourself (INAUDIBLE)

ALEXANDER: Exactly.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: What you are hearing is phone sex tapes played in court today for that jury. How this goes towards self-defense, I do not know. In fact, everything I know of the law after trying so many cases, I don`t even know how many I tried, this is inadmissible. The defense claims that this somehow sets up a self-defense theory for Jodi Arias. But what it shows to me is that she is pursuing him, that she lured him into phone sex, tape recorded the whole thing, and this is in the weeks leading up to his murder when she dyes her hair, when she buys a .9 millimeter weapon, when she travels 1,000 miles to get to Travis Alexander, and then kill him.

What was her purpose? Don`t know.

We are taking your calls. We are also live at Big Bear Lake, California, where a standoff is going down at this hour. A standoff with a suspected cop killer. He, himself, a former LAPD. We are live and taking your calls.

Another question out to you, Beth Karas, isn`t Arizona a one-party consent state? I mean, what she did by taping him, I think, surreptitiously, is against the law.

KARAS: Yes, you`re talking about the laws of California, which is where the call came from, and Arizona. However, you know what happened in the end, Nancy, both sides stipulated. They stipulated.

(CROSSTALK)

KARAS: The state did originally fight it, but in the end stipulated it. Because you know what, the state probably gets more out of this than the defense, one could argue. And to answer the question we`ve been asking all day, it really doesn`t further self-defense.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Melinda in Louisiana. Hi, dear. What`s your question?

CALLER: Hello?

GRACE: Hi, Melinda. What`s your question?

CALLER: Hi. Is this Nancy Grace?

GRACE: Yes, it is, dear.

CALLER: I adore you.

GRACE: Thank you, thank you. I am overwhelmed with what`s going down right now from the Jodi Arias murder one trial, and now this guy, of all guys, Melinda in Louisiana, a former police officer, an LAPD.

CALLER: I know.

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I wanted to ask you two questions, if I could, and it`s about Jodi Arias. And it`s important. I`ve been trying to get you for three weeks now. It`s so important. Can I ask you two questions?

GRACE: OK. Yes.

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And the other question is, does anybody really realize that Jodi Arias stabbed Travis Alexander 29 times because of the day that he broke up with her, June 29, 2007?

GRACE: You know, that is a good comparison, Melinda, and I did notice it. We talked about that on my show a couple of weeks ago. There was a brief mention. And it`s a very disturbing coincidence about the 29 stab wounds and the date of the breakup.

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« Reply #205 on: February 13, 2013, 07:02:59 PM »

Hi Monks!! 
I cannot watch this trial at all. I am following it somewhat with newsclips, but it makes me angry and sad to see Travis Alexander get murdered all over again by this slut liar. She is pure evil and this reminds me of babykiller all over again.. all of the crap she is making up just to save her sorry, evil ass.. she has no shame.. who records phone sex?? murdering ho.
Right! Why would she record it? Maybe setting up a defense early on? Or she wanted to have something to use against him later. I think she probably did it to have something to hang over his head with his church & friends. I think the murder she actually thought she would get away with. Amazing how god works considering the camera taking death photos without her knowing. I actually think these scumbag defense attorneys came up with the used, battered thing as a defense & she had plenty of time to write the script. How freaking long do they get to question her? I want to see her sweetness when the prosecutor gets a chance at her. I sware if she is found not guilty, my faith in humanity will truly be gone. After seeing that jury of idiots let casey anthony off scott free i cant take another one!

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Interesting theory you've put out there kcrn.  Maybe Jodi was planning to blackmail Travis with the recording.  And I agree with your thoughts  about Jodi thinking she would get away with his murder.  Jodi is another one of those teflon liars like Casey Anthony.  Nothing seems to stick to them!  I hope there's justice for Travis and his family, but I'm not holding my breath. 
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« Reply #206 on: February 13, 2013, 07:23:51 PM »


Jodi Arias Takes the Stand and Says She Killed Travis Alexander, Planned Suicide
Feb. 4, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-tells-jury-killed-alexander-planned-kill/story?id=18399979


Jodi Arias Describes Sexual Encounter Week After Meeting Travis Alexander
Feb. 5, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-describes-sexual-encounter-week-meeting-travis/story?id=18411629


Jodi Arias Said Travis Alexander Had 'Bill Clinton' View of Sex
Feb. 6, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-boyfriend-travis-alexander-bill-clinton-view/story?id=18420949


Jodi Arias Alleges Travis Alexander Became Violent After Admitting Attraction to Boys
Feb. 11, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-alleges-boyfriend-turned-boys-spiderman-underwear/story?id=18465253


Jodi Arias Said She Liked 'Debasing' Phone Sex Talk With Ex-Boyfriend
Feb. 12, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-phone-sex-tape-shows-raunchy-relationship/story?id=18477130

Jodi Arias Claims Travis Alexander Showed Increasingly Aggressive Behavior
Feb. 13, 2013
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-judge-rejects-plea-remove-possibility-death/story?id=18491675



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« Reply #207 on: February 13, 2013, 09:52:50 PM »

Hi kern and hello to all
I had to do some retail therapy today! I needed a break from jodi and her annoying defense. A girl that went to school with her! Was on dr dress show. She isn't buying into any of this garbage! She herself was a victim of domestic violence. The only ones coming to her rescue Men no women. Oh and that old goose searcy is a media hound.
I'm truly getting tired of the pillsbury boy of an attorney! Makes me wanna pull out of pie crust and start baking! He is annoying ughhhhhh
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« Reply #208 on: February 13, 2013, 09:53:11 PM »

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« Reply #209 on: February 13, 2013, 10:57:36 PM »

Hi kern and hello to all
I had to do some retail therapy today! I needed a break from jodi and her annoying defense. A girl that went to school with her! Was on dr dress show. She isn't buying into any of this garbage! She herself was a victim of domestic violence. The only ones coming to her rescue Men no women. Oh and that old goose searcy is a media hound.
I'm truly getting tired of the pillsbury boy of an attorney! Makes me wanna pull out of pie crust and start baking! He is annoying ughhhhhh
I know what u mean loca. Listening to her for about 5 min. is all i can take. I almost despise her as much as casey anthony. Almost. I didnt watch today. Did the prosecution get to cross examine yet? I hope he makes her cry but at the same time im afraid the men on the jury might feel sorry for her. Still blows my mind that the jury wanted to know if the roommates alibis were verified. Hello?!?! She already admitted she did it. Pay attention people this isnt rocket science. No mensa members on that jury.
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« Reply #210 on: February 14, 2013, 03:02:40 PM »

Judge sick, Ariz. boyfriend killing trial delayed
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PHOENIX (AP) - The trial for a woman charged in her lover's 2008 death in Arizona has been postponed for the week because the judge is sick.

Jodi Arias was set to testify for a seventh day Thursday. Testimony will resume Tuesday.

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« Reply #211 on: February 14, 2013, 03:46:33 PM »

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http://definitions.uslegal.com/b/battered-woman-syndrome/

Battered Woman Syndrome Law & Legal Definition

 
Battered woman syndrome is a criminal defense involving a pattern of psychological dependency among women caught in long-term relationships with abusive male partners. Over time, abuse produces an irrational mental state of "learned helplessness," limiting free choice and placing victims of abuse in a spiral of conflict that occasionally results in a violent and sometimes fatal response over which they have no rational control.

The traditional legal concept of self-defense is based on a contest of equals more typical of fights between males. The proponents of the defense argue criminal intent issues in the conventional standards of self-defense is inadequate to explain male-female conflicts. While the battered women syndrome defense has been argued successfully in many cases, it has been contested by forensic psychologists and legal scholars.



I had a close friend who went through this and If I didn't take the gun out of her hands Bob would be dead today
He did the same kind of thing to her. I told her to just leave but she couldn't do it she was addicted to him and the pain .
She thought the the more it hurt meant the more she loved him.
He gave nothing she gave too much, he hit her raped her, she was so afraid she was going to loose him she let him do what ever he wanted to her. It got to a point i just couldn't be her friend it was ripping me apart.

I could see her killing him if he want on a trip with someone else because in her mind she put up with so much shit it should have been her not some other girl .


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http://definitions.uslegal.com/b/battered-woman-syndrome/

Battered Woman Syndrome Law & Legal Definition

 
Battered woman syndrome is a criminal defense involving a pattern of psychological dependency among women caught in long-term relationships with abusive male partners. Over time, abuse produces an irrational mental state of "learned helplessness," limiting free choice and placing victims of abuse in a spiral of conflict that occasionally results in a violent and sometimes fatal response over which they have no rational control.

The traditional legal concept of self-defense is based on a contest of equals more typical of fights between males. The proponents of the defense argue criminal intent issues in the conventional standards of self-defense is inadequate to explain male-female conflicts. While the battered women syndrome defense has been argued successfully in many cases, it has been contested by forensic psychologists and legal scholars.


I had a close friend who went through this and If I didn't take the gun out of her hands Bob would be dead today
He did the same kind of thing to her. I told her to just leave but she couldn't do it she was addicted to him and the pain .
She thought the the more it hurt meant the more she loved him.
He gave nothing she gave too much, he hit her raped her, she was so afraid she was going to loose him she let him do what ever he wanted to her. It got to a point i just couldn't be her friend it was ripping me apart.

I could see her killing him if he want on a trip with someone else because in her mind she put up with so much shit it should have been her not some other girl .


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I see what you r saying & im sure that alot of women go through this kind of lifestyle but i do not in any way see this scenario being like that. I think judging by her participation in the phone calls & everything that she was just as into the kinky stuff they did together as he was. Two consenting adults have every right to have that kind of sex life if they want to. I do not for one second think any of it was forced on her. Their relationship seems to have started out sexual so its not like she fell in love with him & would compromise her morals to please him. She said herself it was sexual from the get go. This was not a long relationship that she suffered through because she loved him. I think she was obsessed with him & felt like he owed her something since they had such a crazy sexual relationship. He lost interest in her for whatever reasons & tried to move on i think. She wasnt having it & snapped. I do not see one ounce of battered womans syndrome here. If he had been violent with her wouldnt she have had some evidence of that at some point that someone could say they witnessed. As much as society would like to find something to blame evil deeds on or try to justify it somehow, there is evil out there without a real cause. Casey anthony is a prime example. No way i believe she was sexually abused by anyone. She was just a selfish slut that got frusterated with her child interrupting her social life. Evil enough by nature to murder her own flesh & blood & just go about her life like nothing happened. Jodi arias deserves the worst punishment she can get. Not only did she heinously murder this guy but she now is trashing his name & hurting his family.
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« Reply #213 on: February 14, 2013, 07:14:17 PM »

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She was and is a tease! She introduced him into kinky sex! Thinking it would be enough to make him fall hard in love with her! Thinking he wouldn't ever want to give up the sex! It failed miserably! Jodi is not very stable mentally! Bounced from religion to religion! Men to men! Strange woman
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« Reply #214 on: February 14, 2013, 07:14:56 PM »

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« Reply #215 on: February 14, 2013, 07:25:18 PM »

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She was and is a tease! She introduced him into kinky sex! Thinking it would be enough to make him fall hard in love with her! Thinking he wouldn't ever want to give up the sex! It failed miserably! Jodi is not very stable mentally! Bounced from religion to religion! Men to men! Strange woman
Totally agree. Her sex appeal is what she used & quite frankly i dont see it. I dont find her attractive at all.
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« Reply #216 on: February 14, 2013, 08:37:29 PM »

I totally agree kcrn
I never have understood where they can discribe her as beautiful! I think she's very plain looking! Attractive yes! Hot and beautiful not! Hopefully her life as it once was is over! She needs to spend the rest of her life! In prison! No children! No life! By her own doing! She had many options! She chose her way. She was going to make sure his trip to cancun without her! Would never be!
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« Reply #217 on: February 14, 2013, 09:56:56 PM »

I think when you also take into account what happened after the fact.. I don't remember where I read/saw it but there was a discussion about how her actions (running, coverup, multiple lies finally resulting an excuse of abuse after every lie had been unraveled)

I think it was on HLN or CNN where the guest said most victims of abuse that kill their abuses will reach out after and call 911. (Not to say all) I don't know if there are studies or rates to go along with this.. It was just an interesting thought.

She acted like someone guilty of murder and not self defense. If she was abused and this was a result or self defense.. Why "wash" the camera, change her appearance, run, say she wasnt there, say she was there but two men did it, oh and then finally claim abuse. If she was a victim.. I may be able to excuse running (from the terror of what happened) but once she was found she could explain the history etc... the fear and how she was a victim. They could investigate and try to corroborate that.

 Also the extent of his injuries and different style reminds me of passion, revenge and anger... Not just stabbing an extreme amount of times out of fear but also to shoot in the head and slice the neck.. It wasnt an uncontrollable blackout type of killing (out of fear) there was thought behind the different methods. Do we know which happened first? I don't remember reading it.

Add her reaction to the extent of his injuries and the circumstances surrounding her being there and I can only think of a jealous (ex) lover who was obsessed and then tried unsuccessfully to cover her own tracks. I can see him not caring for her and using her more than I'd believe he was a controlling pedophile.
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« Reply #218 on: February 15, 2013, 10:35:02 AM »

JMO she is NOT going to get the Death Penalty.
 Also the extent of his injuries and different style reminds me of passion, revenge and anger... Not just stabbing an extreme amount of times out of fear but also to shoot in the head and slice the neck.. It wasn't an uncontrollable blackout type of killing (out of fear) there was thought behind the different methods.

Again JMO she lost it.. this was not self defense it was  a crime of  passion, revenge and anger
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« Reply #219 on: February 15, 2013, 10:53:41 AM »

JMO she is NOT going to get the Death Penalty.
 Also the extent of his injuries and different style reminds me of passion, revenge and anger... Not just stabbing an extreme amount of times out of fear but also to shoot in the head and slice the neck.. It wasn't an uncontrollable blackout type of killing (out of fear) there was thought behind the different methods.

Again JMO she lost it.. this was not self defense it was  a crime of  passion, revenge and anger
Yep probably true. How unfortunate since she is certainly deserving of it. No hint of abuse here. Stupid jury will probably buy it though &  a smack on the wrist is what she will get. Someday i hope people stop trying to make excuses for peoples evil behavior.
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