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Author Topic: Travis Alexander of Mesa, AZ Found Murdered June 2008-Jodi Arias on Trial  (Read 1261395 times)
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« Reply #2200 on: May 03, 2013, 03:25:11 PM »



Made this last night. I was so impressed with Juan's closing statement. I believe he will bring Travis justice.

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« Reply #2201 on: May 03, 2013, 03:27:32 PM »

It's just theory, because Jodi would have to open her mouth to reveal the truth and opening her mouth means she's lying, but........

My best guess is that she arrived at Travis' with the intention of an ultimatum. Either she was going with him to Cancun (or maybe keep him from going without her) or he was a dead man. The sex was part of the "convincing". I believe he refused to cooperate when she pushed the issue of the trip and she was inwardly enraged and determined he would pay the price for his decision. She had no intention of letting anyone else near him if he was pushing her away. I think she outwardly kept her cool and probably did encourage those shower pics to show off his fit body. I also believe that the gun was put aside because the knife fit her rage better. That many stab wounds, and slashing his throat is up close, personal, and she was making sure he was looking right at her when it began. What she might have been saying to him between clinched teeth, we'll never know. The overkill was just Jodi making darn sure he paid, and paid and paid..........

JMO.

YES YES YES.



I sort of wish Juan would give the jury a plausible scenario like this to consider.
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« Reply #2202 on: May 03, 2013, 03:31:51 PM »

It's just theory, because Jodi would have to open her mouth to reveal the truth and opening her mouth means she's lying, but........

My best guess is that she arrived at Travis' with the intention of an ultimatum. Either she was going with him to Cancun (or maybe keep him from going without her) or he was a dead man. The sex was part of the "convincing". I believe he refused to cooperate when she pushed the issue of the trip and she was inwardly enraged and determined he would pay the price for his decision. She had no intention of letting anyone else near him if he was pushing her away. I think she outwardly kept her cool and probably did encourage those shower pics to show off his fit body. I also believe that the gun was put aside because the knife fit her rage better. That many stab wounds, and slashing his throat is up close, personal, and she was making sure he was looking right at her when it began. What she might have been saying to him between clinched teeth, we'll never know. The overkill was just Jodi making darn sure he paid, and paid and paid..........

JMO.

YES YES YES.



I sort of wish Juan would give the jury a plausible scenario like this to consider.

I think most of us wish he would do that.
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« Reply #2203 on: May 03, 2013, 03:43:30 PM »

Nurmi may be scoring possible points with his questions as to why Jodi didn't take easy moments to murder Travis. I think she was seething and calculating her moment and her objective wasn't to just kill him. She wanted to drive a point home to him and she needed him down. She was through with his decisions about anything. I think the thought of Travis in Cancun with a women he might meet there while she was abandoned without him was far more than anything she was going to accept. I think she was obsessed with killing him when he refused to cooperate and it was very important to her that he feel her pain in slashes and blood and that he knew she was delivering the pain. One shot to the head wasn't what she needed.
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« Reply #2204 on: May 03, 2013, 03:44:19 PM »


Nurmi's points:
Travis is sleeping she could have shot him then
Travis' back was in the shower to her and Jodi could have shot him then
Why didn't she steal a bigger gun if she had planned it
She is on a covert mission to prepare to kill Travis Alexander, does she shoot him, she had the gun? No, she has sex with him,
takes photos - it doesn't make any sense.

Juan has the last word


I asked myself why Jodi did not shoot Travis while he slept and immediately continue her road trip to visit Ryan Burns.   The lost time on that road trip was a huge red flag in the investigation.

Could it be that at some point prior to or immediately follow her arrival at Travis' residence ... Jodi made the  decision to give Travis one last chance to redeem himself ... one last chance to profess his love and ... extend an invitation to Cancun.   It didn't happened and ... in a rage Jodi put her premeditated plan into motion?

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This is exactly what i think too janet. I think she thought she would try to reel him in 1 last time with sex & it didnt work so she proceeded to the plan.

I agree as well.

She had the murder planned (premeditated) on the condition Travis did not take her back. (And to Cancun.)

I am sure Juan will cover this when he gets to follow up.

That's what I think too. I am sure Juan will handle all that Nurmi has tried to do when he gets to do his follow up.


As Kermit stated "Juan has the last word".  Considering that Kirk Nurmi asked the question "Why did Jodi not shoot Travis in his sleep" ... could it be that the prosecutor will provide an answer that would suffice when he has "the last word".

Janet
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« Reply #2205 on: May 03, 2013, 03:46:28 PM »

Bringing the pictures on CDs would fit in with that scenario. Bringing in warm memories, like the sex, would be part of the convincing.
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« Reply #2206 on: May 03, 2013, 03:50:21 PM »

Bringing the pictures on CDs would fit in with that scenario. Bringing in warm memories, like the sex, would be part of the convincing.

 
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« Reply #2207 on: May 03, 2013, 04:02:37 PM »

HLN just mentioned that the woman on the other side of Jodi is her mitigation specialist.

I believe someone asked who she is.
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« Reply #2208 on: May 03, 2013, 04:02:40 PM »


This video has Jodi's answer to the gas can return in very succinct terms.

Just before 1:30 she begins to address returning the can in response to her own atty. She indicates she went to a Starbucks in the same parking lot as Walmart after purchasing the can and while there, re-thought it, and went back to return it.

At approx 3:30 she begins an exchange with Juan where he specifically asks, "You returned the can to the same store where you purchased it, right?" She answers, "Yes".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7anECy6Tyo

I hope when Juan Martinez has "the last word" ... he will produce a court transcript to show to the jury ... a court transcript pertaining to Jodi's testimony in regards to the return of the gas cans.

Kirk Nurmi heard what Jodi testified to.  Why would he attempt to deceive the jurors?  This is not defence.

Janet
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« Reply #2209 on: May 03, 2013, 04:24:30 PM »


This video has Jodi's answer to the gas can return in very succinct terms.

Just before 1:30 she begins to address returning the can in response to her own atty. She indicates she went to a Starbucks in the same parking lot as Walmart after purchasing the can and while there, re-thought it, and went back to return it.

At approx 3:30 she begins an exchange with Juan where he specifically asks, "You returned the can to the same store where you purchased it, right?" She answers, "Yes".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7anECy6Tyo

I hope when Juan Martinez has "the last word" ... he will produce a court transcript to show to the jury ... a court transcript pertaining to Jodi's testimony in regards to the return of the gas cans.

Kirk Nurmi heard what Jodi testified to.  Why would he attempt to deceive the jurors?  This is not defence.

Janet

 
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« Reply #2210 on: May 03, 2013, 04:26:27 PM »

It may just be me, but it sounds like Nurmi is not very confident about points he makes, since he often follows up with, "right?"

An annoying language trait.
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« Reply #2211 on: May 03, 2013, 04:29:01 PM »

It's just theory, because Jodi would have to open her mouth to reveal the truth and opening her mouth means she's lying, but........

My best guess is that she arrived at Travis' with the intention of an ultimatum. Either she was going with him to Cancun (or maybe keep him from going without her) or he was a dead man. The sex was part of the "convincing". I believe he refused to cooperate when she pushed the issue of the trip and she was inwardly enraged and determined he would pay the price for his decision. She had no intention of letting anyone else near him if he was pushing her away. I think she outwardly kept her cool and probably did encourage those shower pics to show off his fit body. I also believe that the gun was put aside because the knife fit her rage better. That many stab wounds, and slashing his throat is up close, personal, and she was making sure he was looking right at her when it began. What she might have been saying to him between clinched teeth, we'll never know. The overkill was just Jodi making darn sure he paid, and paid and paid..........

JMO.

YES YES YES.



I sort of wish Juan would give the jury a plausible scenario like this to consider.
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Exactly what I thought happened as well!
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« Reply #2212 on: May 03, 2013, 04:51:18 PM »

It may just be me, but it sounds like Nurmi is not very confident about points he makes, since he often follows up with, "right?"

An annoying language trait.

He is just annoying.
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« Reply #2213 on: May 03, 2013, 05:46:46 PM »



Juan back up summarizing the state's position.

 
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« Reply #2214 on: May 03, 2013, 05:51:29 PM »

at the end Nurmi sounded like he was conceding that she did it, but give her manslaughter.

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« Reply #2215 on: May 03, 2013, 05:55:23 PM »



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« Reply #2216 on: May 03, 2013, 05:58:58 PM »



Wilmott wrote a note to Jodi and Jodi looked over and read it.

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« Reply #2217 on: May 03, 2013, 06:01:47 PM »

May 3, 2013 Tweets
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 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 32m
Martinez begins his rebuttal. #jodiarias

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 1h
Jurors continue to look focused and attentive. I can't see anyone taking notes though. #jodiarias

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 1h
Nurmi: There was a fight--no doubt about it--a fight for life on both Jodi's and Travis's part. #jodiarias

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 1h
Nurminis playing part of the phone sex recording. #jodiarias

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 1h
Nurmi: We know this was a relationship of chaos. #jodiarias

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 3h
Nurmi: Somebody wasn't going to make it out alive. It was either Jodi or it was Travis. #jodiarias

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 3h
Someone's device just accidentally played a little tune that disrupted Nurmi. It was on my side of the courtroom.... http://fb.me/1IG3mvPct
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Nurmi: The idea of Ms. Arias as a stalker is a facade created by Mr. Alexander...He had to come up with a ruse in... http://fb.me/2twnDSDYc

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 4h
Everyone is out of chambers. #jodiarias

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 4h
The attorneys, Arias, and two of Alexander's sisters are in chambers. #jodiarias

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 4h
Jurors appear attentive and focused, just as they did yesterday when Martinez addressed them. #jodiarias

 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 5h
Nurmi: "Nine days out of 10, I don't like Jodi Arias." #jodiarias
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 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 5h
Nurmi's closing has begun. His theme: fear, love, sex, lies and dirty little secrets. #jodiarias
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Juror #8 has returned to the courtroom. He's with a woman (I assume his wife) and is seated in the gallery where... http://fb.me/2bXLFPVEd
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 Beth Karas ‏@BethKaras 5h
Dismissed juror #8 has been sitting in the public gallery. He was just called into chambers. The attorneys are... http://fb.me/2AF3L2uqW
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« Reply #2218 on: May 03, 2013, 06:04:07 PM »

Juan Martinez said: "The defendant is a liar and a killer!"

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« Reply #2219 on: May 03, 2013, 06:11:09 PM »

Juan Martinez said: "The defendant is a liar and a killer!"


How long ago did juan start? I just got home but dont want to rewind my recording if he just started
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