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« Reply #3760 on: May 26, 2013, 08:53:20 PM »

Joran Van der Sloot  IMO should have gotten Death but your all ok with the fact that  he will be out some day killing someone else.
Look what he did to Natalee /Stephany Flores


 IMO Life would be fair for Jodi she admitted she killed him after all the lies
 Joran is still not telling Beth where Natalee is he is a true  MONSTER
Jodi is broken I believe she HAD Dissociation (psychology) herself
Dissociation is a term in psychology describing a wide array of experiences from mild detachment from immediate surroundings to more severe detachment from ...
I BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE I HAVE DONE THIS and not remembered what I did after I did it
You don't have to agree with me I was just putting it out there
Also you can just skip over my post instead of being rude

Don't judge me unless you have looked through my eyes, experienced what I have, and cried as many tears as me. Until then back-off, cause you have no idea what it's like to be abused and have  the Authorities believing him and not me





Blonde, how could Joran have gotten the death penalty when the death penalty wasn't even on the table for Joran Van Der Sloot?   It was more of a matter of how long he would be incarcerated and where he would be incarcerated.   Peru stopped putting people to death for what is called "ordinary crimes", per this article the death penalty is for war time crimes or military. The last execution was in 1979.   There are repeat murderers and hardened criminals/drug dealers in the prisons and some may certainly surpass Van Der Sloot in evil doings, murders and other crime.  Because there was no death penalty, all we could hope for was the longest possible sentence in the worst possible prison.  These are the laws in Peru. 

http://www.amnesty.org/en/death-penalty/countries-abolitionist-for-ordinary-crimes-only

DEATH PENALTY: COUNTRIES ABOLITIONIST FOR ORDINARY CRIMES ONLY

Countries whose laws provide for the death penalty only for exceptional crimes such as crimes under military law or crimes committed in exceptional circumstances, such as wartime crimes.

Abbreviations: Date (AO) = date of abolition for ordinary crimes; Date (last ex.) = date of last execution; K = date of last known execution; Ind. = no executions since independence

Date of AO (abolition for ordinary crimes) PERU: 1979   Date of last execution PERU:1979


Sorry for the OT, but I think this needed to be addressed.  If anyone wants to discuss this further, we can meet over in Natalee's thread.  But I think we've beat this thing to death in regard to Joran.  Blonde, I hope you're able to heal.  It pains me to know someone hurt you so.
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« Reply #3761 on: May 26, 2013, 09:34:31 PM »

http://camillekimball.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/jury-foreman-for-jodi-arias-crime.html

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« Reply #3762 on: May 27, 2013, 06:47:42 AM »

I would say this when it came to whether Jodi Arias got life or death for what she did to Travis Alexander.

If Jodi was John Arias and Travis was Terri Alexander ... there would have been no question in the juries mind to sentence to death unanimously. Well this is if your name is not OJ Simpson and there was jury nullification to right the wrongs of past racial jury trials, but I digress.

I think if we look at this objectively, respecting all opinions of Monkeys as I know the individuals have differing opinions on the death penalty and when it should be used, but it is my opinion that she should have been sentenced to death. I think that if you are going to be on a capital murder case as a juror, you best answer the question honestly as to whether you can properly administer a death sentence if the defendant is convicted of 1st degree murder.

It was fair ... anyone on the jury had the opportunity to say that they could not. You do no one any favors, especially the family and the victim if you say you can, knowing you can't.

There are some crimes that call out for it, IMO this was one of them. She is a cold and unremorseful individual. Which just speaks volumes what she was like at the time of the murder.

JMHO


Agreed, Red! I'm sure the foreman, at least, was very swayed by her gender. Well said.   

I just wonder if Jodi was gray haired, plump, with face hair, if she would still have a hung jury.
I am not trying to be a wise guy.

I don't think you're a wise guy for pondering this.  I'm pretty sure defense attorneys and their teams spend time researching just this kind of thing. They must study not only appearances, but are coached on demeanor and etc.  They can't change the sex of the person, but they can alter appearances and demeanor and etc.  They must coach the person they are defending to have them appear a certain way, even if they really aren't.   I think that's why they ended up putting librarian glasses on Jodi and having her wear her hair long and brown, to give her the mousey look.  I think it was effective.  CA's legal team had her with glasses on and her hair in a bun and not so well fitting nor colorful clothing.  They do this because it works, imo.  So yes, imo I believe you have a valid question seahorse.  And there's a possibility there wouldn't be a hung jury if Jodi was gray haired, plump, with face hair.

Hi Muffy, it stinks, doesn't it?  Thank-you, for your response. 

I think back to the attractive Ted Bundy, (I apologize, if this is taking a different road) he was studied to be a lawyer, he worked for an ambulance company, and he supported for a political party, oh, did I mention, he was a good son? 

How people get snookered by a persons facade Sad

Jodi could be the girl next door - chilling.
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« Reply #3763 on: May 27, 2013, 11:45:48 AM »

Muffy........ thanks again for setting up the support threads! I've already been reminded of something that I had forgotten, thanks to snooping around in them. I had forgotten that when Jodi returned the rental car, the floor mats were missing. There was something on the seat, too, that the rental staff person thought was kool-aid. I'm thinking your idea on the camera might be right, rather than my thoughts on it. If she was in a big enough hurry to leave Travis's house with blood still on her, or her things, she might very well have jerked the sheets off the bed after laying the camera on it. I have always thought she left with the washer and dishwasher running.
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« Reply #3764 on: May 27, 2013, 12:39:12 PM »

Muffy

You have done a great job today filling in the Jodi Arias references threads.  Thank you.

Is there any particular aspect of this endeavor where I could contribute?  My concentration is best if I can focus on one area at a time.  So delegate away!!     

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« Reply #3765 on: May 27, 2013, 01:03:19 PM »

Joran Van der Sloot  IMO should have gotten Death but your all ok with the fact that  he will be out some day killing someone else.
Look what he did to Natalee /Stephany Flores


 IMO Life would be fair for Jodi she admitted she killed him after all the lies
 Joran is still not telling Beth where Natalee is he is a true  MONSTER
Jodi is broken I believe she HAD Dissociation (psychology) herself
Dissociation is a term in psychology describing a wide array of experiences from mild detachment from immediate surroundings to more severe detachment from ...
I BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE I HAVE DONE THIS and not remembered what I did after I did it
You don't have to agree with me I was just putting it out there
Also you can just skip over my post instead of being rude

Don't judge me unless you have looked through my eyes, experienced what I have, and cried as many tears as me. Until then back-off, cause you have no idea what it's like to be abused and have  the Authorities believing him and not me


I personally am not judging u in any way shape or form. I feel for you for what u went thru. U r aoso entitled to your own opinion. I am entitled to mine & while i have never been in an abusive relationship i have been in a toxic relationship with both parties just as guilty of the chaos & name calling & verbal bashing. Happens all the time. NOTHING proves this skank was abused. I will not EVER look at her in the light of an abused victim because she wasnt. I will never feel sorry for her. She deserves to rot in a cage.

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It does not even have to be a "toxic relationship" when words are spoken out of sheer frustration in isolated moments in time ... words that regrettable cannot be taken back.  Ask my 43 year old son about the words lashed out at him by his mother in his teenage years ... lashed out by his mother who desperately feared her precious son was making choices ... choices that would negatively affect his entire life.

Janet

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« Reply #3766 on: May 27, 2013, 01:23:49 PM »

Joran Van der Sloot  IMO should have gotten Death but your all ok with the fact that  he will be out some day killing someone else.
Look what he did to Natalee /Stephany Flores


 IMO Life would be fair for Jodi she admitted she killed him after all the lies
 Joran is still not telling Beth where Natalee is he is a true  MONSTER
Jodi is broken I believe she HAD Dissociation (psychology) herself
Dissociation is a term in psychology describing a wide array of experiences from mild detachment from immediate surroundings to more severe detachment from ...
I BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE I HAVE DONE THIS and not remembered what I did after I did it
You don't have to agree with me I was just putting it out there
Also you can just skip over my post instead of being rude

Don't judge me unless you have looked through my eyes, experienced what I have, and cried as many tears as me. Until then back-off, cause you have no idea what it's like to be abused and have  the Authorities believing him and not me





Blonde, how could Joran have gotten the death penalty when the death penalty wasn't even on the table for Joran Van Der Sloot?   It was more of a matter of how long he would be incarcerated and where he would be incarcerated.   Peru stopped putting people to death for what is called "ordinary crimes", per this article the death penalty is for war time crimes or military. The last execution was in 1979.   There are repeat murderers and hardened criminals/drug dealers in the prisons and some may certainly surpass Van Der Sloot in evil doings, murders and other crime.  Because there was no death penalty, all we could hope for was the longest possible sentence in the worst possible prison.  These are the laws in Peru. 

http://www.amnesty.org/en/death-penalty/countries-abolitionist-for-ordinary-crimes-only

DEATH PENALTY: COUNTRIES ABOLITIONIST FOR ORDINARY CRIMES ONLY

Countries whose laws provide for the death penalty only for exceptional crimes such as crimes under military law or crimes committed in exceptional circumstances, such as wartime crimes.

Abbreviations: Date (AO) = date of abolition for ordinary crimes; Date (last ex.) = date of last execution; K = date of last known execution; Ind. = no executions since independence

Date of AO (abolition for ordinary crimes) PERU: 1979   Date of last execution PERU:1979


Sorry for the OT, but I think this needed to be addressed.  If anyone wants to discuss this further, we can meet over in Natalee's thread.  But I think we've beat this thing to death in regard to Joran.  Blonde, I hope you're able to heal.  It pains me to know someone hurt you so.


I didn't remember thatI Feel a bit better today  the trial and a old picture I found set me off..
Blonde, how could Joran have gotten the death penalty when the death penalty wasn't even on the table for Joran Van Der Sloot? 
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« Reply #3767 on: May 27, 2013, 02:12:10 PM »

Muffy

You have done a great job today filling in the Jodi Arias references threads.  Thank you.

Is there any particular aspect of this endeavor where I could contribute?  My concentration is best if I can focus on one area at a time.  So delegate away!!     

Janet


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Hi Janet!  Please don't think I was ignoring you. I would never turn down an offer for help.   I was ferreting around/sifting through the earlier posts for items to post in the threads and I got lost along the way.  I kept finding myself sitting there reading and opening more links and well, you can imagine.  And I have to be very, very careful so I don't mess up when I post, because I can't edit      What do you think we need in the way of reference?  Here are some of the threads that need work if you want to choose one, but if you can think of something you believe we need and you can supply it and it's not there, we can create a thread so you can add to it. 

1.  Who's who?
2.  Documents (links)
3.  Maps
4.  Youtubes

 
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« Reply #3768 on: May 27, 2013, 02:27:03 PM »

I'm glad you're feeling better today Blonde.    thumleft 
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« Reply #3769 on: May 27, 2013, 02:31:53 PM »

Joran Van der Sloot  IMO should have gotten Death but your all ok with the fact that  he will be out some day killing someone else.
Look what he did to Natalee /Stephany Flores


 IMO Life would be fair for Jodi she admitted she killed him after all the lies
 Joran is still not telling Beth where Natalee is he is a true  MONSTER
Jodi is broken I believe she HAD Dissociation (psychology) herself
Dissociation is a term in psychology describing a wide array of experiences from mild detachment from immediate surroundings to more severe detachment from ...
I BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE I HAVE DONE THIS and not remembered what I did after I did it
You don't have to agree with me I was just putting it out there
Also you can just skip over my post instead of being rude

Don't judge me unless you have looked through my eyes, experienced what I have, and cried as many tears as me. Until then back-off, cause you have no idea what it's like to be abused and have  the Authorities believing him and not me


I personally am not judging u in any way shape or form. I feel for you for what u went thru. U r aoso entitled to your own opinion. I am entitled to mine & while i have never been in an abusive relationship i have been in a toxic relationship with both parties just as guilty of the chaos & name calling & verbal bashing. Happens all the time. NOTHING proves this skank was abused. I will not EVER look at her in the light of an abused victim because she wasnt. I will never feel sorry for her. She deserves to rot in a cage.

kcrn

It does not even have to be a "toxic relationship" when words are spoken out of sheer frustration in isolated moments in time ... words that regrettable cannot be taken back.  Ask my 43 year old son about the words lashed out at him by his mother in his teenage years ... lashed out by his mother who desperately feared her precious son was making choices ... choices that would negatively affect his entire life.

Janet


I agree janet. I think most people have said horribly mean things to someone else in an argument or out of frustration. It makes me mad that some people think that travis must have been verbally abusive to her based on a few texts or emails. Who knows what she was saying & doing to him at the time. I think he was just fed up with her manipulation & wanted to make her hate him so he could get her to move on.
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« Reply #3770 on: May 27, 2013, 03:52:14 PM »

Jodie instigated alot of travis anger towards her. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure her out. She loved pushing his buttons and creating drama! Even ray Charles can see that.
She thrives on drama and loves to see negative reaction. I think something in her family dynamics is off! Her mother and aunt sitting in court giggling and carrying on! Time and time again. Where were they on verdict watch! Thinking of themselves! Cruising the Grand Canyon.

If it was my daughter in Jodie's place! I would want to let the travis Alexander family knw how sorry I am for what my daughter has done. I'd love her but wouldn't wear domestic violence ribbons! Because the DT thinks it would help my daughter! Knowing it was a lie. I could not bring myself to taunt the Alexander family.

I would not bring granny into court in a wheelchair!
Later that evening granny was caught on video walking briskly out of the jail. Their behaviour has been totally inappropriate and disrespectful. I even saw granny subtly give the middle finger from the back of the court! Where she sat.
Who does that!

Justice for travis
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« Reply #3771 on: May 27, 2013, 04:15:46 PM »


Mitigation specialist, Maria De La Rosa, for Jodi Arias

Maria DeLaRosa, Jodi Aria's mitigation specialist - "the court has ordered De La Rosa to be paid for 100 hours for work done during the guilt phase of the trial alone"
source: http://mycrimetime.blogspot.com/2013/05/who-is-maria-de-la-rosa-mitigation.html

COURT doc:
source: http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/052013/m5750389.pdf
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« Reply #3772 on: May 27, 2013, 04:30:12 PM »

I want her job!
Just kidding I couldn't defend killers!
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« Reply #3773 on: May 27, 2013, 04:46:22 PM »

My suggestion for CLOSING ARUGMENT FOR JUAN MARTINEZ ......
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/jodi-arias-naked-photos_n_2479347.html
Jodi Arias Trial: 'If I Killed Travis, I Would Beg For The Death Penalty'
January 15, 2013



Jodi Arias Takes the Stand and Says She Killed Travis Alexander, Planned Suicide
Feb. 4, 2013
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jodi-arias-tells-jury-killed-alexander-planned-kill/story?id=18399979



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« Reply #3774 on: May 27, 2013, 05:07:18 PM »

THIS IS A FAMILY OF DECEPTION





GRANDMA IN COURT



AFTER COURT - GRANDMA LEAVING JAIL AFTER VISIT TO JODI.


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« Reply #3775 on: May 27, 2013, 05:30:21 PM »

THIS IS A FAMILY OF DECEPTION





GRANDMA IN COURT



AFTER COURT - GRANDMA LEAVING JAIL AFTER VISIT TO JODI.




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« Reply #3776 on: May 27, 2013, 06:07:26 PM »

Have these been posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJTBLd-72fg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plHt-bN2pLU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc3jpSdJcpM
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« Reply #3777 on: May 27, 2013, 08:50:23 PM »

I'm glad everyone's getting a much needed rest!
__________________________________________________ ___________

Now from what The Foreman has said, here are the points that are contentious.

1. The Foreman stated that he did not take into account Travis's family's impact statements, that they didn't mean anything to him, but Jodi's allocution did.

2. When he first saw the defendant, he could not see her as a murderer, even though she had already admitted she killed Travis. Then he never shared this bias with the judge so he could be removed.

3. He said that they agreed to not change their votes and to not deliberate about the case. So what were they doing in the jury room all that time? Gossiping? What? Judge told them to WORK on it, yet it appears he had no intention of getting the jury to work on it.

4. The Foreman seems seriously of low-key intellect, as he now makes statements that show he did not understand the jury instructions at all. He thought that if he gave the judge a hung jury, that Jodi would automatically be given LIFE. He had no idea there would be a mistrial and a potential sentencing retrial. Everyone else seems to know about this, though.

5. After the trial, he states that he wants to "reach out to Jodi." Now there really is no fool like an old fool
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On the #3 and #4 points in this blog:

How can the jurors NOT deliberate and they all agreed to this??? Makes my mind spin out of control .
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« Reply #3778 on: May 27, 2013, 08:55:00 PM »

I'm glad everyone's getting a much needed rest!
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Now from what The Foreman has said, here are the points that are contentious.

1. The Foreman stated that he did not take into account Travis's family's impact statements, that they didn't mean anything to him, but Jodi's allocution did.

2. When he first saw the defendant, he could not see her as a murderer, even though she had already admitted she killed Travis. Then he never shared this bias with the judge so he could be removed.

3. He said that they agreed to not change their votes and to not deliberate about the case. So what were they doing in the jury room all that time? Gossiping? What? Judge told them to WORK on it, yet it appears he had no intention of getting the jury to work on it.

4. The Foreman seems seriously of low-key intellect, as he now makes statements that show he did not understand the jury instructions at all. He thought that if he gave the judge a hung jury, that Jodi would automatically be given LIFE. He had no idea there would be a mistrial and a potential sentencing retrial. Everyone else seems to know about this, though.

5. After the trial, he states that he wants to "reach out to Jodi." Now there really is no fool like an old fool
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On the #3 and #4 points in this blog:

How can the jurors NOT deliberate and they all agreed to this??? Makes my mind spin out of control .


     
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« Reply #3779 on: May 27, 2013, 08:55:11 PM »

Crazy shite Loca...
This foreman was about as with it as Casey Anthony jury foreman from the sounds of it.

Reach out to Jodi? Oh brother!
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