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« Reply #900 on: March 25, 2013, 02:13:55 PM »

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« Reply #901 on: March 25, 2013, 02:17:18 PM »

Janet,

Something is not adding up for me and your assertion's about Matt are well founded imo. But also that camera angle is bothering me.
Police id Jodi's foot in dragging Travis and clearly she was able to pull him upward because the back of his head is off the floor,
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It seems to me that in order to have the angle of this camera taking this particular photo
the lens has to be slightly slanted upward.  Now that could be it was resting on a sock or towel or Someone sitting behind
Jodi?





Would a camera on the floor at that angle capture the photo we've seen in evidence?



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« Reply #902 on: March 25, 2013, 02:18:09 PM »

Food for thought in regards to the attempted withdrawals from the case of defence attorney Kirk Nurmi as well as the allegedly forged letters that were allegedly written by Travis ... allegedly forged letters that Jodi attempted to present as evidence to support her claim that Travis had an interest in children.

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Defense Counsel Information based on case minutes:

First public defender at arraignment is James Hann. There is a minute entry about the public defender having a possible conflict. The State’s Attorney is Juan Martinez

On 9/19/08 the public defender is Maria L Schaffer as primary.

On 9/19/08 another public defender Judis R Andrews requested an extension of time to challenge the Grand Jury proceedings as they did not have a copy of the Grand Jury transcript.

On 12/18/08 the primary public defender is Maria L Schaffer and the secondary public defender is Gregory T Parzych. Juan M Martinez is still the State’s Attorney.

On 5/22/09 the defendant submitted a request for a change of council.
Additional hearings and status meeting are held without further mention of the change of council.

On 8/10/09 the Court received and reviewed a motion from both public defenders to withdraw from representing the defendant. The Court found sufficient cause to allow them to withdraw and noted that the trial was set for February 2, 2010 so there is adequate time for new counsel to be assigned without putting the trial date in jeopardy.

On 8/18/09 Victoria E Washington and Kirk Nurmi appear as counsel along with Maria Schaffer and Gregory Parzych at an evidentiary hearing. Of interest, this hearing was to determine if there is probable cause to add an Aggravating Factor that will make this a death penalty case. This is where the prosecution presents to the Court that the victim was shot first, then repeatedly stabbed, then stabbed in the heart and finally had throat slit. Detective Flores represents to the court that he spoke with the Medical Examiner Dr. Horne and that this is the sequence of events Dr. Horne gave him.

On 8/18/09 Victoria E Washington (secondary) and Kirk Nurmi (primary) are assigned as new defense counsel.

On 11/3/09 new trial date of 8/16/2010 is set. This is per the request of defense counsel who previously stated they need more time to prepare.

On 6/18/10 the trial date was reset to 8/2/2011.

On 2/25/11 Kirk Nurmi announced to the Court that he is leaving the Public Defender’s Office.

On 3/8/2011 a hearing is held regarding Kirk Nurmi withdrawing as defense consel. Very interesting minutes. Defendant strenuously objected to new counsel and possibility of pushing back trial date. The Court noted that “Once a case is set for trial, counsel may not withdraw except upon motion providing the name and address of another attorney, along with a statement from that attorney stating that he or she has been advised of the trial date and will be prepared for trial. Rule 6.3(c). No such motion or statement has been filed in this case. “ Mr. Nurmi was ordered to continue as the lead defense counsel at the standard public defender hourly rate paid to the primary defense counsel.

On 3/9/2011 Mr. Nurmi submitted a formal motion to withdraw and as hearing on the motion was set for 3/21/2011.

On 3/21/2011 Mr. Nurmi’s motion to withdraw as counsel is denied
. At this hearing the State’s request to change the trial date due to a scheduling conflict with State Attorney Juan M Martinez was also denied.

On 3/22/2011 another hearing is held with a second motion to withdraw by Mr. Nurmi. After the hearing on the previous day the Public Defender Office notified Mr. Nurmi that they were withdrawing the mitigation specialist, investigator, and paralegal because the Public Defender Office does not want Mr. Nurmi directing staff when he is no longer an employee. The Court ordered that Mr. Nurmi motion was denied and he was required to remain as the primary counsel and that the Public Defender Office must immediately reassign the personnel to the case.

On 4/4/2011 Mr. Nurmi stated his objection to remaining on the case during a status hearing as he has left the Public Defender Office to go into private practice. The Court found that Mr. Nurmi has an ethical obligation to continue representing the defendant but would begin receiving a reasonable hourly rate of $225.00 as compensation to avoid any financial interests that would place Mr. Nurmi in conflict with his client.

On 8/8/2011 defendant has a hearing on an oral motion she submitted to represent herself. At the end of the hearing this motion is granted but Kirk Nurmi and Victoria Washington are to remain as advisory counsel, with Victoria Washington as primary. The evidentiary hearing on the purported letters from Travis Alexander alleging he is a pedophile is held with Ms. Arias as defense counsel.

On 8/9/2011 during a normal status conference both Victoria Washington and Kirk Nurmi address the Court as to the roles and responsibility of advisory counsel, and the primary counsel (which is now the defendant). The Court agrees and addresses this with Ms. Arias and asks her if she wishes to remain as her own counsel. She states she will continue as primary counsel.

On 8/15/2011 the evidentiary hearing regarding the “pedophile” letters is completed. The Court orders that the letters are precluded and the defense withdraws them. At the end of this hearing Ms. Arias submits an oral request to withdraw as her own counsel and requests that Mr. Nurmi and Victoria Washington be reinstated as defense counsel. The Court orders Kirk Nurmi and Victoria Washington to represent the defendant in all further proceedings.

On 9/9/2011 the trial date is reset to 2/21/2012 due to the primary defense witness needing to withdraw because of a health issue. A new witness will need to be retained and allowed time to prepare for the trial.

On 12/22/2011 a hearing was held on a motion from the Public Defender Office to withdraw from this case due to a conflict of interest with Victoria Washington. Motion was allowed but the Public Defender Office will appoint a new second counsel, investigator, mitigation specialist, and paralegal. Victoria Washington is released as counsel.

On 1/3/2012 a hearing was held on a motion to continue trial due to assignment of new counsel. New secondary counsel Jennifer L Willmott was assigned by the Public Defender Office. Defendant agreed and waived the applicable time limit. Trial date was changed to 10/17/2012.

On 3/12/2012 a hearing was held on a defense motion to dismiss the Intent to Seek Death Penalty. Per the motion “At the status conference on January 3, 2012, the Court granted an oral motion by the defense to continue the trial due to the recent appointment of Ms. Willmott. Defendant Arias agreed to the continuance and the exclusion of time. The trial was reset to October 17, 2012. All time was excluded. See minute entry dated January 3, 2012. Defendant now asserts the State’s Notice of Intent to Seek the Death Penalty should be dismissed because, to assure she had effective representation by counsel, Defendant Arias had to agree to the continuance of the trial to October 17, 2012.” The Court denied this motion as the need for competent and prepared counsel trumps her right to a speedy trial. During this hearing the defense also submitted a motion to preclude the State from referring to Travis Alexander as a “victim” during the trial. Specifically, Defendant Arias argues she would be prejudiced by permitting the State and its witnesses to refer to Mr. Alexander as the victim since it is contrary to her claim of self defense. As such, she would be prejudiced. The State responds that the term “victim” is routinely used in criminal cases and does not imply the defendant committed the crime with which she has been charged. Further, the State argues Mr. Alexander was murdered and thus he was a “victim” of a criminal offense as defined by Arizona law. The Court finds the defendant failed to establish she will be prejudiced if Mr. Alexander is referred to as the “victim” in front of the jury during the trial. The State’s evidence will show Mr. Alexander was the victim of a homicide. Apparently, the defendant will argue she acted in self defense and was thus justified in her actions. Regardless, referring to Mr. Alexander as the “victim” during the trial will not unfairly prejudice the defendant.

On 10/30/12 defense submits another request to continue the trial date (there was a previous motion that was granted moving the trial date from 10/17/2012 to 11/19/2012) because they want their own review of a computer hard drive. State objects to the continuation.

On 11/19/2012 motion is granted changing trial date to 12/10/2012.

On 12/4/2012 defense submits another motion for continuation. Motion is denied.

Jury selection begins on 12/10/2012. Final jury is selected and sworn in 12/20/12. Opening statements scheduled to being 1/2/2012.

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http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/JOnamesearch.asp?casenumber=CR2008031021
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« Reply #903 on: March 25, 2013, 02:23:58 PM »


The angel of the camera that took the photo that show Travis being drug by Jodi bothers me.

A camera lying on the floor with the lens pointed up could not take a photo of that angle
A camera lying on it's side could not have captured the head of Travis as is shown in the phtos
To me, it looks like the camera is facing at an angle in order to capture all of that particular photo.

So how could that be?


Could it be that the accidental images were captured by an activated camera draped around Jodi's neck?  In other words ... the camera was never dropped ... it never touched the floor?

Think about it.  How would accidental images be captured by a camera in the shower stall ... in the bathroom and ... in the hallway?

I somehow suspect that the "powers that be" within the investigation have the images all figured out.

Janet


Exactly.

I don't know for sure where that camera was, but I do not believe it could have been dropped on the floor to have
snapped those images of the murder of Travis.

Just something in my gut is telling me something has been missed.

It needs to be re-enacted in order to see how the exact image could be reproduced.

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« Reply #904 on: March 25, 2013, 02:24:25 PM »

Way to go Juan Martinez!!

 

Why would a professional put his reputation/credibility at risk by not only presenting a bias/misleading report to the court but also lying under oath?  Could it be that the relationship was not entirely professional in the mindset ... in the dreams ... of Richard Samuels?

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« Reply #905 on: March 25, 2013, 02:25:40 PM »

Janet,

I agree that his would be why Matt was pulled as a defense witness. Good job!



Jodi Arias Sent Coded Message to a Potential Witness, Prosecutor Claims
Feb. 25, 2013

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Strung together, the entire message, according to Martinez, read, "You f***ed up what you told my attorney the next day / directly contradicts what I've been saying for over a year / get down here ASAP and see me before you talk to them again and before / you testify so / we can fix this / interview was excellent! Must talk ASAP!"

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« Reply #906 on: March 25, 2013, 02:29:37 PM »

Way to go Juan Martinez!!

 

Why would a professional put his reputation/credibility at risk by not only presenting a bias/misleading report to the court but also lying under oath?  Could it be that the relationship was not entirely professional in the mindset ... in the dreams ... of Richard Samuels?

Janet


MONEY

There are psychologist who do these evaluations because it is bread & butter for them and for a price they'll sway the test in
the clients favor. I'm speaking from a position of fact on this particular issue. Sickening, but all true.


So Jodi's attorney tried to get withdrawn from the case early on. Good find Janet. That was interesting information.

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« Reply #907 on: March 25, 2013, 02:52:46 PM »

Kermit

Life outside the home beckons.  I will have to watch the rest of today's proceedings later on youtube.

I believe that Richard Samuels abetted Jodi threw counselling and reading materials on how to establish a battered woman's syndrome defence ... a battered woman's syndrome defence that would ultimately justify a self-defence claim to some jury members.  Jodi was assured that he would take care of the clinical reports/tests.

I sensed from the first few minutes that this guy was on the stand that his ongoing words would be 100% bias in Jodi's favor despite her lies.  I think he had/has a thing for her.

Later, Janet
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« Reply #908 on: March 25, 2013, 02:57:17 PM »

Kermit

Life outside the home beckons.  I will have to watch the rest of today's proceedings later on youtube.

I believe that Richard Samuels abetted Jodi threw counselling and reading materials on how to establish a battered woman's syndrome defence ... a battered woman's syndrome defence that would ultimately justify a self-defence claim to some jury members.  Jodi was assured that he would take care of the clinical reports/tests.

I sensed from the first few minutes that this guy was on the stand that his ongoing words would be 100% bias in Jodi's favor despite her lies.  I think he had/has a thing for her.

Later, Janet
11:40 AM PT
As im watching this & hearing all of the criteria he said she has for ptsd i wonder how these same criteria should apply to someone who is in jail for a murder. Of course she would have trouble sleeping, concentrating etc. Shes in jail for crying out loud. Shes not at home living her normal life so of course all of these things would apply. Nevermind the fact that the only proof of any of this crap comes from a known liar who is trying to save her own azz. Can we please get mr magoo off the stand already. His contradiction of his own statements is just comedy now.
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« Reply #909 on: March 25, 2013, 03:26:29 PM »

Kermit

Life outside the home beckons.  I will have to watch the rest of today's proceedings later on youtube.

I believe that Richard Samuels abetted Jodi threw counselling and reading materials on how to establish a battered woman's syndrome defence ... a battered woman's syndrome defence that would ultimately justify a self-defence claim to some jury members.  Jodi was assured that he would take care of the clinical reports/tests.

I sensed from the first few minutes that this guy was on the stand that his ongoing words would be 100% bias in Jodi's favor despite her lies.  I think he had/has a thing for her.

Later, Janet
11:40 AM PT
As im watching this & hearing all of the criteria he said she has for ptsd i wonder how these same criteria should apply to someone who is in jail for a murder. Of course she would have trouble sleeping, concentrating etc. Shes in jail for crying out loud. Shes not at home living her normal life so of course all of these things would apply. Nevermind the fact that the only proof of any of this crap comes from a known liar who is trying to save her own azz. Can we please get mr magoo off the stand already. His contradiction of his own statements is just comedy now.

 
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« Reply #910 on: March 25, 2013, 03:31:19 PM »

Juan Martinez makes my head hurt
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« Reply #911 on: March 25, 2013, 03:46:02 PM »

Kermit

Life outside the home beckons.  I will have to watch the rest of today's proceedings later on youtube.

I believe that Richard Samuels abetted Jodi threw counselling and reading materials on how to establish a battered woman's syndrome defence ... a battered woman's syndrome defence that would ultimately justify a self-defence claim to some jury members.  Jodi was assured that he would take care of the clinical reports/tests.

I sensed from the first few minutes that this guy was on the stand that his ongoing words would be 100% bias in Jodi's favor despite her lies.  I think he had/has a thing for her.

Later, Janet
11:40 AM PT

Could it be that Jodi Arias has been instructed by Richard Samuels to claim amnesia in regards to the stabbing ... the dragging and ... the hasty clean-up that cultimated with a camera in the washing machine?

Could it be if the revealed truth condradicts the self-defence claim ... if the revealed truth reveals that Jodi had an accomplice ... she could not be accused of lying under oath regarding the events encompassing the murder of Travis Alexander.  After all ... she cannot remember.  After all ... a "professional" has determined through manipulation that this amnesia was caused by PTSD.

Mr. Samuels ... I hope your friendship with Jodi Arias ... your friendship that appears to have crossed professional boundaries ... was worth risking your 35 year career ... your credibility and ... your reputation.

Janet

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Jodi Arias' Amnesia Defense Fails to Convince at Least One Expert
March 21, 2013


Jodi Arias' defense team put Dr. Richard Samuels on the stand this week to convince an Arizona jury that Arias was so traumatized by the violence in killing ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander that she developed dissociative amnesia from the stabbing frenzy.

Jurors will have the opportunity to ask questions of Samuels today, but Samuels has failed to convince at least one legal and mental health expert who has monitored the trial.

"Saying Jodi Arias has dissociative amnesia is like saying Casey Anthony would make a great babysitter," said Dr. Steven Pitt, referring to the Florida woman who was acquitted of murdering her daughter after claiming that the girl had been stolen by a babysitter.

"This guy, he got bamboozled by Jodi Arias," said Pitt, a forensic psychiatrist from the Phoenix area who has testified and consulted on several high profile cases across the nation. "He drank her Kool-Aid and now he is finding out that it is a toxic mix of 'BS.'"


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« Reply #912 on: March 25, 2013, 03:57:39 PM »

Kermit

Life outside the home beckons.  I will have to watch the rest of today's proceedings later on youtube.

I believe that Richard Samuels abetted Jodi threw counselling and reading materials on how to establish a battered woman's syndrome defence ... a battered woman's syndrome defence that would ultimately justify a self-defence claim to some jury members.  Jodi was assured that he would take care of the clinical reports/tests.

I sensed from the first few minutes that this guy was on the stand that his ongoing words would be 100% bias in Jodi's favor despite her lies.  I think he had/has a thing for her.

Later, Janet
11:40 AM PT
As im watching this & hearing all of the criteria he said she has for ptsd i wonder how these same criteria should apply to someone who is in jail for a murder. Of course she would have trouble sleeping, concentrating etc. Shes in jail for crying out loud. Shes not at home living her normal life so of course all of these things would apply. Nevermind the fact that the only proof of any of this crap comes from a known liar who is trying to save her own azz. Can we please get mr magoo off the stand already. His contradiction of his own statements is just comedy now.

 
Laughing over here after one of the talking heads on hln called dick mr. Magoo. I guess im not the only one who sees it!!! As far as juan martinez being a bully, i can see his frustration with all of these ridiculous liars. This shrink makes my head hurt way worse than juan. Paid liar. Disturbing what people will do for money. Hellllllooo?! This is about a viciously murdered man & he deserves justice!!!!!
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« Reply #913 on: March 25, 2013, 03:58:45 PM »

Kermit

I may be wrong but ... my take is that Richard Samuels is hired by the State/Court.  The implication is that he is being paid for an unbiased testimony.  In other words ... depending on the evaluation either the defence attorney or prosecutor could call on him to testify or ... he could be called by both.

Could it be that Mr. Samuels has difficulties regarding boundaries with some clients?  Could it be that with some clients Mr. Samuels forgets the definition of "unbiased"?

Janet

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Richard M. Samuels, Ph.D.
Curriculum Vitae

 
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FORENSIC EXPERIENCE
 
Member; Arizona Supreme Court Mental Health Providers Panel.
 
Court Appointed Psychologist in Bergen, Morris and Essex Counties, New Jersey;
Court Appointed Psychologist in Maricopa and Yavapai Counties, Arizona.
 
Expert Witness in most New Jersey Counties;
Expert Witness in New York City Supreme Court incl. Kings County, Queens, Brooklyn & Bronx Courts.
Expert Witness in Rockland, Westchester, Orange County, Nassau, and Suffolk County, New York;
Expert Witness in Maricopa, Coconino, Pima and Yavapai Counties, Arizona
 
Conducted numerous evaluations for plaintiffs and defendants in New Jersey, New York, and Arizona, for criminal, civil and domestic matters, evaluation and recidivism risk.
 
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« Reply #914 on: March 25, 2013, 04:02:19 PM »

Kermit

Life outside the home beckons.  I will have to watch the rest of today's proceedings later on youtube.

I believe that Richard Samuels abetted Jodi threw counselling and reading materials on how to establish a battered woman's syndrome defence ... a battered woman's syndrome defence that would ultimately justify a self-defence claim to some jury members.  Jodi was assured that he would take care of the clinical reports/tests.

I sensed from the first few minutes that this guy was on the stand that his ongoing words would be 100% bias in Jodi's favor despite her lies.  I think he had/has a thing for her.

Later, Janet
11:40 AM PT
As im watching this & hearing all of the criteria he said she has for ptsd i wonder how these same criteria should apply to someone who is in jail for a murder. Of course she would have trouble sleeping, concentrating etc. Shes in jail for crying out loud. Shes not at home living her normal life so of course all of these things would apply. Nevermind the fact that the only proof of any of this crap comes from a known liar who is trying to save her own azz. Can we please get mr magoo off the stand already. His contradiction of his own statements is just comedy now.


 

I agree.

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« Reply #915 on: March 25, 2013, 04:11:43 PM »


Laughing over here after one of the talking heads on hln called dick mr. Magoo. I guess im not the only one who sees it!!! As far as juan martinez being a bully, i can see his frustration with all of these ridiculous liars. This shrink makes my head hurt way worse than juan. Paid liar. Disturbing what people will do for money. Hellllllooo?! This is about a viciously murdered man & he deserves justice!!!!!

 
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« Reply #916 on: March 25, 2013, 04:40:29 PM »

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Life outside the home beckons.  I will have to watch the rest of today's proceedings later on youtube.

I believe that Richard Samuels abetted Jodi threw counselling and reading materials on how to establish a battered woman's syndrome defence ... a battered woman's syndrome defence that would ultimately justify a self-defence claim to some jury members.  Jodi was assured that he would take care of the clinical reports/tests.

I sensed from the first few minutes that this guy was on the stand that his ongoing words would be 100% bias in Jodi's favor despite her lies.  I think he had/has a thing for her.

Later, Janet
11:40 AM PT

Okay, so now you have me thinking - remember the guy that Jodi stopped first to borrow money from on her trip to murder Travis?
I remember reading that he said something about that Jodi came there to use the computer a lot. I'm wondering if its a place
like an internet cafe? Or did he mean his computer? Could the pre meditated was on that computer if she was looking up
PTSD, amnesia etc?  Do we know if that guys computer was gone over by forensic's?

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« Reply #917 on: March 25, 2013, 04:42:06 PM »

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I thought are they reading here when I read your Mr. Magoo reference!
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« Reply #918 on: March 25, 2013, 04:55:39 PM »

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I thought are they reading here when I read your Mr. Magoo reference!
I about choked on my coffee when he said that!!!! How is martinez supposed to cross examine this guy? He has to be agressive to make his points i think. He said in his eval that she didnt have trouble sleeping then he turned around & said she did. Which is it? Who the heck wouldnt have some problems after they butchered another human & had nothing but time to rehash it. I personally think she remembers & relishes in every detail. I see zero remorse from this whackadoodle.
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« Reply #919 on: March 25, 2013, 05:13:36 PM »

Juan Martinez: "You have feelings for the defendant, don't you?[/b]

   
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