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« Reply #2180 on: May 03, 2013, 01:48:20 PM »


Nurmi's points:
Travis is sleeping she could have shot him then
Travis' back was in the shower to her and Jodi could have shot him then
Why didn't she steal a bigger gun if she had planned it
She is on a covert mission to prepare to kill Travis Alexander, does she shoot him, she had the gun? No, she has sex with him,
takes photos - it doesn't make any sense.

Juan has the last word



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« Reply #2181 on: May 03, 2013, 01:50:43 PM »



This is when Juan Martinez was giving his closing argument and showing what Jodi did to Travis
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« Reply #2182 on: May 03, 2013, 02:04:37 PM »

She's rented the car
She's dyed her hair
She's got the gun & knife
She's removed the license plate
Jodi had all these different chances when his back is turned and his defenses are down
and she reaches down to stab him. Stab him, remember now here is this big guy,
been working out. You wouldn't think he's stab someone when you have a gun.
Keep in mind that the State went to great lengths to say she stabbed him in the shower
DOWN TO UP.......Apart from logistcs not making any sense, why didn't you shoot...
you've stolen this gun, why don't you shoot.......it doesn't make any sense....none
of it makes any sense whatsoever.............


She tried to clean up the scene, threw a little water around
drove to Utah, made some phone calls and text msg to make it look like she wasn't there.

You might do something else way smarter then what Jodi did........
she planned this out is what they said....and you are saying a smart girl
doesn't make better decisions......
she's created a relationship of chaos and a crime scene of Chaos and it makes no sense as it
relates to pre-medication.

Self Defence - Jodi told you another version of events.....
The history is as such, what Jodi told you is that a lot of things happened beforehand
and when you assess and look at p. 13 of your jury instructions, if at the very bottom, couple of things
looking at burden of proof.............. he reads it.................
IF there have been past acts of domestic violence against the victim...........this person right here
who has been a past victim of acts of domestic violence...........so what are those past acts
and how do we define domestic violence...........
Was Jodi Arias a victim of assault. We heard of 4 distinct occasions
Jodi thrown down and not allowed to leave a room
Assault and unlawful imprisonment - two acts
Slapping her, kicking her - aggravated assault
breaking her finger - aggravated assault









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« Reply #2183 on: May 03, 2013, 02:10:31 PM »


Nurmi's points:
Travis is sleeping she could have shot him then
Travis' back was in the shower to her and Jodi could have shot him then
Why didn't she steal a bigger gun if she had planned it
She is on a covert mission to prepare to kill Travis Alexander, does she shoot him, she had the gun? No, she has sex with him,
takes photos - it doesn't make any sense.

Juan has the last word





I asked myself why Jodi did not shoot Travis while he slept and immediately continue her road trip to visit Ryan Burns.   The lost time on that road trip was a huge red flag in the investigation.

Could it be that at some point prior to or immediately follow her arrival at Travis' residence ... Jodi made the  decision to give Travis one last chance to redeem himself ... one last chance to profess his love and ... extend an invitation to Cancun.   It didn't happened and ... in a rage Jodi put her premeditated plan into motion?

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« Reply #2184 on: May 03, 2013, 02:28:35 PM »


Nurmi's points:
Travis is sleeping she could have shot him then
Travis' back was in the shower to her and Jodi could have shot him then
Why didn't she steal a bigger gun if she had planned it
She is on a covert mission to prepare to kill Travis Alexander, does she shoot him, she had the gun? No, she has sex with him,
takes photos - it doesn't make any sense.

Juan has the last word





I asked myself why Jodi did not shoot Travis while he slept and immediately continue her road trip to visit Ryan Burns.   The lost time on that road trip was a huge red flag in the investigation.

Could it be that at some point prior to or immediately follow her arrival at Travis' residence ... Jodi made the  decision to give Travis one last chance to redeem himself ... one last chance to profess his love and ... extend an invitation to Cancun.   It didn't happened and ... in a rage Jodi put her premeditated plan into motion?

Janet
This is exactly what i think too janet. I think she thought she would try to reel him in 1 last time with sex & it didnt work so she proceeded to the plan.
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« Reply #2185 on: May 03, 2013, 02:44:14 PM »


Nurmi's points:
Travis is sleeping she could have shot him then
Travis' back was in the shower to her and Jodi could have shot him then
Why didn't she steal a bigger gun if she had planned it
She is on a covert mission to prepare to kill Travis Alexander, does she shoot him, she had the gun? No, she has sex with him,
takes photos - it doesn't make any sense.

Juan has the last word



Yes, he does. And he will clear that up in an instant.

(Took me all day to finally get connected to SM forum, since they have changed their IP.)

Sorry I am just now getting here. I have been watching/listening to Nurmi. And it has been as painful as I anticipated.
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« Reply #2186 on: May 03, 2013, 02:45:27 PM »


Nurmi's points:
Travis is sleeping she could have shot him then
Travis' back was in the shower to her and Jodi could have shot him then
Why didn't she steal a bigger gun if she had planned it
She is on a covert mission to prepare to kill Travis Alexander, does she shoot him, she had the gun? No, she has sex with him,
takes photos - it doesn't make any sense.

Juan has the last word





I asked myself why Jodi did not shoot Travis while he slept and immediately continue her road trip to visit Ryan Burns.   The lost time on that road trip was a huge red flag in the investigation.

Could it be that at some point prior to or immediately follow her arrival at Travis' residence ... Jodi made the  decision to give Travis one last chance to redeem himself ... one last chance to profess his love and ... extend an invitation to Cancun.   It didn't happened and ... in a rage Jodi put her premeditated plan into motion?

Janet

What if we throw out everything that Jodi said and just follow evidence.

Joe arrives with no license plate on her car.
Her hair is dyed brown, Travis has no idea it's Jodi. That girl he wanted to go to Cancun with had the same color hair and
Travis like that girl in spite of her telling Travis she didn't want a relationship, but she still was going to Cancun with him.
That just makes a guy want to pursue her, right.
He opens the door thinking it's that girl.
Instead, he has let Jodi in.
He is at his computer and Jodi gives him the CD of their PAST TRIPS, this is Jodi's attempt to get him to remember the good
times WITH HER

He's tired. Doesn't want to fight with her. He goes to sleep.
Jodi crawls in his bed.

Travis wakes up to perhaps a Jodi getting him aroused. (Last night on Dr. Drew, a mother told Dr. Drew about her daughter having
lived with Jodi and that Jodi had men over all the time to do "bible study" and that the girl over-heard them having sex.
This, to me, demonstrates that Jodi is a sex addict.

There is still Travis' room mate in the house. This is why she doesn't shoot Travis right away. She waits, has sex, takes
photos for her memory book. She is still thinking that she can talk Travis, as you theorize, that she will be with him on the trip
to Cancun. Remember Jodi has no idea that this other girl doesn't want a relationship with Travis.

After all of the sex & photo taking - there was most likely Jodi asking/begging about going to Cancun with him.
He tries again to tell her, no. Obviously, his rejection of her is what she hears and she puts her plan into motion.
She's already probably heard the upstairs door close when the room mate left for work. She knows she only
has a short period of time. I recall that the room mat said he came back home and left.

Her rage takes over.

Travis gets in the shower. Jodi gets dressed and goes to the shower with the knife
in the back of her pants. She takes teh photos. No telling what she is saying to him.

Look at that one photo - the look on his face - maybe it was his last straw of saying NO to her for the
umpth time. Remember, in his mind, he is nothing but a dildo to her. Not the other way around.
Buys rarely say no to a humperdink.

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« Reply #2187 on: May 03, 2013, 02:46:32 PM »


Nurmi's points:
Travis is sleeping she could have shot him then
Travis' back was in the shower to her and Jodi could have shot him then
Why didn't she steal a bigger gun if she had planned it
She is on a covert mission to prepare to kill Travis Alexander, does she shoot him, she had the gun? No, she has sex with him,
takes photos - it doesn't make any sense.

Juan has the last word


I asked myself why Jodi did not shoot Travis while he slept and immediately continue her road trip to visit Ryan Burns.   The lost time on that road trip was a huge red flag in the investigation.

Could it be that at some point prior to or immediately follow her arrival at Travis' residence ... Jodi made the  decision to give Travis one last chance to redeem himself ... one last chance to profess his love and ... extend an invitation to Cancun.   It didn't happened and ... in a rage Jodi put her premeditated plan into motion?

Janet
This is exactly what i think too janet. I think she thought she would try to reel him in 1 last time with sex & it didnt work so she proceeded to the plan.

I agree as well.

She had the murder planned (premeditated) on the condition Travis did not take her back. (And to Cancun.)

I am sure Juan will cover this when he gets to follow up.
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« Reply #2188 on: May 03, 2013, 02:48:30 PM »



Made this last night. I was so impressed with Juan's closing statement. I believe he will bring Travis justice.
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« Reply #2189 on: May 03, 2013, 02:53:34 PM »


Nurmi's points:
Travis is sleeping she could have shot him then
Travis' back was in the shower to her and Jodi could have shot him then
Why didn't she steal a bigger gun if she had planned it
She is on a covert mission to prepare to kill Travis Alexander, does she shoot him, she had the gun? No, she has sex with him,
takes photos - it doesn't make any sense.

Juan has the last word


I asked myself why Jodi did not shoot Travis while he slept and immediately continue her road trip to visit Ryan Burns.   The lost time on that road trip was a huge red flag in the investigation.

Could it be that at some point prior to or immediately follow her arrival at Travis' residence ... Jodi made the  decision to give Travis one last chance to redeem himself ... one last chance to profess his love and ... extend an invitation to Cancun.   It didn't happened and ... in a rage Jodi put her premeditated plan into motion?

Janet
This is exactly what i think too janet. I think she thought she would try to reel him in 1 last time with sex & it didnt work so she proceeded to the plan.

I agree as well.

She had the murder planned (premeditated) on the condition Travis did not take her back. (And to Cancun.)

I am sure Juan will cover this when he gets to follow up.

That's what I think too. I am sure Juan will handle all that Nurmi has tried to do when he gets to do his follow up.
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« Reply #2190 on: May 03, 2013, 02:54:08 PM »



Made this last night. I was so impressed with Juan's closing statement. I believe he will bring Travis justice.

Great picture Brandi
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« Reply #2191 on: May 03, 2013, 02:57:47 PM »

I voted in the poll above..I had a  'feeling' last night that the jury  went in, took a vote and all said Guilty in the first degree, first vote.
Wouldn't that b sweet! Take that Jodi!


 

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« Reply #2192 on: May 03, 2013, 03:01:07 PM »

I hate to say I told you so, but I see that NURMI SHOWED THE NAKED PHOTO OF JODI!

I just get a bad vibe about Nurmi like he's got dirty secret thoughts.



He wouldn't be a dirty little secret. He'd be a big Fat one!

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« Reply #2193 on: May 03, 2013, 03:08:43 PM »

Food for thought in regards to the attempted withdrawals from the case of defence attorney Kirk Nurmi as well as the allegedly forged letters that were allegedly written by Travis ... allegedly forged letters that Jodi attempted to present as evidence to support her claim that Travis had an interest in children.

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Defense Counsel Information based on case minutes:

First public defender at arraignment is James Hann. There is a minute entry about the public defender having a possible conflict. The State’s Attorney is Juan Martinez

On 9/19/08 the public defender is Maria L Schaffer as primary.

On 9/19/08 another public defender Judis R Andrews requested an extension of time to challenge the Grand Jury proceedings as they did not have a copy of the Grand Jury transcript.

On 12/18/08 the primary public defender is Maria L Schaffer and the secondary public defender is Gregory T Parzych. Juan M Martinez is still the State’s Attorney.

On 5/22/09 the defendant submitted a request for a change of council.
Additional hearings and status meeting are held without further mention of the change of council.

On 8/10/09 the Court received and reviewed a motion from both public defenders to withdraw from representing the defendant. The Court found sufficient cause to allow them to withdraw and noted that the trial was set for February 2, 2010 so there is adequate time for new counsel to be assigned without putting the trial date in jeopardy.

On 8/18/09 Victoria E Washington and Kirk Nurmi appear as counsel along with Maria Schaffer and Gregory Parzych at an evidentiary hearing. Of interest, this hearing was to determine if there is probable cause to add an Aggravating Factor that will make this a death penalty case. This is where the prosecution presents to the Court that the victim was shot first, then repeatedly stabbed, then stabbed in the heart and finally had throat slit. Detective Flores represents to the court that he spoke with the Medical Examiner Dr. Horne and that this is the sequence of events Dr. Horne gave him.

On 8/18/09 Victoria E Washington (secondary) and Kirk Nurmi (primary) are assigned as new defense counsel.

On 11/3/09 new trial date of 8/16/2010 is set. This is per the request of defense counsel who previously stated they need more time to prepare.

On 6/18/10 the trial date was reset to 8/2/2011.

On 2/25/11 Kirk Nurmi announced to the Court that he is leaving the Public Defender’s Office.

On 3/8/2011 a hearing is held regarding Kirk Nurmi withdrawing as defense consel. Very interesting minutes. Defendant strenuously objected to new counsel and possibility of pushing back trial date. The Court noted that “Once a case is set for trial, counsel may not withdraw except upon motion providing the name and address of another attorney, along with a statement from that attorney stating that he or she has been advised of the trial date and will be prepared for trial. Rule 6.3(c). No such motion or statement has been filed in this case. “ Mr. Nurmi was ordered to continue as the lead defense counsel at the standard public defender hourly rate paid to the primary defense counsel.

On 3/9/2011 Mr. Nurmi submitted a formal motion to withdraw and as hearing on the motion was set for 3/21/2011.

On 3/21/2011 Mr. Nurmi’s motion to withdraw as counsel is denied
. At this hearing the State’s request to change the trial date due to a scheduling conflict with State Attorney Juan M Martinez was also denied.

On 3/22/2011 another hearing is held with a second motion to withdraw by Mr. Nurmi. After the hearing on the previous day the Public Defender Office notified Mr. Nurmi that they were withdrawing the mitigation specialist, investigator, and paralegal because the Public Defender Office does not want Mr. Nurmi directing staff when he is no longer an employee. The Court ordered that Mr. Nurmi motion was denied and he was required to remain as the primary counsel and that the Public Defender Office must immediately reassign the personnel to the case.

On 4/4/2011 Mr. Nurmi stated his objection to remaining on the case during a status hearing as he has left the Public Defender Office to go into private practice. The Court found that Mr. Nurmi has an ethical obligation to continue representing the defendant but would begin receiving a reasonable hourly rate of $225.00 as compensation to avoid any financial interests that would place Mr. Nurmi in conflict with his client.

On 8/8/2011 defendant has a hearing on an oral motion she submitted to represent herself. At the end of the hearing this motion is granted but Kirk Nurmi and Victoria Washington are to remain as advisory counsel, with Victoria Washington as primary. The evidentiary hearing on the purported letters from Travis Alexander alleging he is a pedophile is held with Ms. Arias as defense counsel.

On 8/9/2011 during a normal status conference both Victoria Washington and Kirk Nurmi address the Court as to the roles and responsibility of advisory counsel, and the primary counsel (which is now the defendant). The Court agrees and addresses this with Ms. Arias and asks her if she wishes to remain as her own counsel. She states she will continue as primary counsel.

On 8/15/2011 the evidentiary hearing regarding the “pedophile” letters is completed. The Court orders that the letters are precluded and the defense withdraws them. At the end of this hearing Ms. Arias submits an oral request to withdraw as her own counsel and requests that Mr. Nurmi and Victoria Washington be reinstated as defense counsel. The Court orders Kirk Nurmi and Victoria Washington to represent the defendant in all further proceedings.

On 9/9/2011 the trial date is reset to 2/21/2012 due to the primary defense witness needing to withdraw because of a health issue. A new witness will need to be retained and allowed time to prepare for the trial.

On 12/22/2011 a hearing was held on a motion from the Public Defender Office to withdraw from this case due to a conflict of interest with Victoria Washington. Motion was allowed but the Public Defender Office will appoint a new second counsel, investigator, mitigation specialist, and paralegal. Victoria Washington is released as counsel.

On 1/3/2012 a hearing was held on a motion to continue trial due to assignment of new counsel. New secondary counsel Jennifer L Willmott was assigned by the Public Defender Office. Defendant agreed and waived the applicable time limit. Trial date was changed to 10/17/2012.

On 3/12/2012 a hearing was held on a defense motion to dismiss the Intent to Seek Death Penalty. Per the motion “At the status conference on January 3, 2012, the Court granted an oral motion by the defense to continue the trial due to the recent appointment of Ms. Willmott. Defendant Arias agreed to the continuance and the exclusion of time. The trial was reset to October 17, 2012. All time was excluded. See minute entry dated January 3, 2012. Defendant now asserts the State’s Notice of Intent to Seek the Death Penalty should be dismissed because, to assure she had effective representation by counsel, Defendant Arias had to agree to the continuance of the trial to October 17, 2012.” The Court denied this motion as the need for competent and prepared counsel trumps her right to a speedy trial. During this hearing the defense also submitted a motion to preclude the State from referring to Travis Alexander as a “victim” during the trial. Specifically, Defendant Arias argues she would be prejudiced by permitting the State and its witnesses to refer to Mr. Alexander as the victim since it is contrary to her claim of self defense. As such, she would be prejudiced. The State responds that the term “victim” is routinely used in criminal cases and does not imply the defendant committed the crime with which she has been charged. Further, the State argues Mr. Alexander was murdered and thus he was a “victim” of a criminal offense as defined by Arizona law. The Court finds the defendant failed to establish she will be prejudiced if Mr. Alexander is referred to as the “victim” in front of the jury during the trial. The State’s evidence will show Mr. Alexander was the victim of a homicide. Apparently, the defendant will argue she acted in self defense and was thus justified in her actions. Regardless, referring to Mr. Alexander as the “victim” during the trial will not unfairly prejudice the defendant.

On 10/30/12 defense submits another request to continue the trial date (there was a previous motion that was granted moving the trial date from 10/17/2012 to 11/19/2012) because they want their own review of a computer hard drive. State objects to the continuation.

On 11/19/2012 motion is granted changing trial date to 12/10/2012.

On 12/4/2012 defense submits another motion for continuation. Motion is denied.

Jury selection begins on 12/10/2012. Final jury is selected and sworn in 12/20/12. Opening statements scheduled to being 1/2/2012.

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 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8715239

Source:
http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/JOnamesearch.asp?casenumber=CR2008031021


I didn't catch it but ... if today in closing arguments Kirk Nurmi implied that he did not like Jodi ... could it be that his words along with court documents which reveal that he attempted  time and time again to withdraw from the case will be grounds for a mistrial as Blonde stated or an appeal?

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« Reply #2194 on: May 03, 2013, 03:10:45 PM »


Nurmi's points:
Travis is sleeping she could have shot him then
Travis' back was in the shower to her and Jodi could have shot him then
Why didn't she steal a bigger gun if she had planned it
She is on a covert mission to prepare to kill Travis Alexander, does she shoot him, she had the gun? No, she has sex with him,
takes photos - it doesn't make any sense.

Juan has the last word



Yes, he does. And he will clear that up in an instant.

(Took me all day to finally get connected to SM forum, since they have changed their IP.)

Sorry I am just now getting here. I have been watching/listening to Nurmi. And it has been as painful as I anticipated.


 Yes he does unless the defense ask the Judge if they can go again she could say yes

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/05/02/hln-after-dark-closing-who-gets-last-word
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« Reply #2195 on: May 03, 2013, 03:12:38 PM »



Made this last night. I was so impressed with Juan's closing statement. I believe he will bring Travis justice.

Great picture Brandi

Very good picture Brandi.  Powerful!
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« Reply #2196 on: May 03, 2013, 03:13:43 PM »

It's just theory, because Jodi would have to open her mouth to reveal the truth and opening her mouth means she's lying, but........

My best guess is that she arrived at Travis' with the intention of an ultimatum. Either she was going with him to Cancun (or maybe keep him from going without her) or he was a dead man. The sex was part of the "convincing". I believe he refused to cooperate when she pushed the issue of the trip and she was inwardly enraged and determined he would pay the price for his decision. She had no intention of letting anyone else near him if he was pushing her away. I think she outwardly kept her cool and probably did encourage those shower pics to show off his fit body. I also believe that the gun was put aside because the knife fit her rage better. That many stab wounds, and slashing his throat is up close, personal, and she was making sure he was looking right at her when it began. What she might have been saying to him between clinched teeth, we'll never know. The overkill was just Jodi making darn sure he paid, and paid and paid..........

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« Reply #2197 on: May 03, 2013, 03:21:18 PM »



Made this last night. I was so impressed with Juan's closing statement. I believe he will bring Travis justice.

Perfect!!
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« Reply #2198 on: May 03, 2013, 03:21:34 PM »

Everything I posted is gone not only in this thread, but missing Dylan's thread and I did not save the information.
The one time I do not save it.

Well, Nurmi, I suspect,  is going to bring up sex a lot and try to copy Martinez' style in his closing argument.

Nurmi starts off saying, Sex, Lies and dirty little secrets

Objection from Juan
Approach from the judge.



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I did save my posts regarding the return of the gas cans.  As CBB predicted Nurmi attempted to imply that Jodi returned the gas can to another Walmart.  Logic dictates that Jodi when testifying would have clarified the issue during the exchange with Martinez.

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MARTINEZ: This is the Wal-Mart that you went to in Salinas, and you purchased a five-gallon gas can, right? You told us that before, right?

ARIAS: Yes, I did.

MARTINEZ: And you were there on June 3rd of 2008 at 3:22 in the afternoon when you made that purchase, right?

ARIAS: That`s correct.

MARTINEZ: Would it surprise you to find out -- and you said that you got a refund in cash, didn`t you?

ARIAS: Yes, I did.

MARTINEZ: Would it surprise you that Wal-Mart does not have any record of any refund for a gas can on that date of June 3rd of 2008?

ARIAS: Considering that I returned it, that would surprise me.

MARTINEZ: Pardon?

ARIAS: Considering that I returned it, that would surprise me.

MARTINEZ: It would surprise you?

ARIAS: Yes.

MARTINEZ: Because you claim you returned it on that day, right?

ARIAS: Yes, I did, and I received cash for it.

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http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1303/07/ijvm.01.html


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Jodi Arias Trial - Day 29 - Part 3

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This video has Jodi's answer to the gas can return in very succinct terms.

Just before 1:30 she begins to address returning the can in response to her own atty. She indicates she went to a Starbucks in the same parking lot as Walmart after purchasing the can and while there, re-thought it, and went back to return it.

At approx 3:30 she begins an exchange with Juan where he specifically asks, "You returned the can to the same store where you purchased it, right?" She answers, "Yes".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7anECy6Tyo
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« Reply #2199 on: May 03, 2013, 03:24:35 PM »

It's just theory, because Jodi would have to open her mouth to reveal the truth and opening her mouth means she's lying, but........

My best guess is that she arrived at Travis' with the intention of an ultimatum. Either she was going with him to Cancun (or maybe keep him from going without her) or he was a dead man. The sex was part of the "convincing". I believe he refused to cooperate when she pushed the issue of the trip and she was inwardly enraged and determined he would pay the price for his decision. She had no intention of letting anyone else near him if he was pushing her away. I think she outwardly kept her cool and probably did encourage those shower pics to show off his fit body. I also believe that the gun was put aside because the knife fit her rage better. That many stab wounds, and slashing his throat is up close, personal, and she was making sure he was looking right at her when it began. What she might have been saying to him between clinched teeth, we'll never know. The overkill was just Jodi making darn sure he paid, and paid and paid..........

JMO.

YES YES YES.

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