Lively Case Discussion #504 7/31 - 8/3/2006

[Ono]

Ono wrote:

Use your common sense. No virgin would have intercourse with a person she had known for thirty minutes. You must be a male

Oh yeah Ono, that logic will stand up in a court of law.

We are not in a court of law here...we are on a discussion board.  There is considerable pain and blood when a virgin has intercourse for the first time and is not a pleasant experience for her...that is why I judged that you must be male, as obviously you do not know this fact.

[Houdini]

Ono wrote:

We are not in a court of law here...we are on a discussion board. There is considerable pain and blood when a virgin has intercourse for the first time and is not a pleasant experience for her...that is why I judged that you must be male, as obviously you do not know this fact.

You judge alot Ono from few assumptions.  Suppose the autopsy found her hymen intact?

[oldfart]

Good Day Monkeys...  HiiiiYaaa
Just peeking in for a bt... & checking sig. line change...

[SunFreak2]

Ono wrote:

I doubt Paulus/Anita would admit to a 'rave' at their home..it is at their home where I believe Natalee was harmed; A virgin does not willingly make love to some boy she has known for thirty minutes;A virgin makes love sooner or later, without her testimony you cannot prove it was without her consent. If Paulus is involved also, initially, this does make things difficult DNA-wise...So he took part, but if it was consentual, there is no crime as she was 18.; A physical examination would reveal that she was a virgin who had been molested. It would only prove that her hymen had recently been torn, her testimony that it was against her will would be needed to prove molestation

If her hymen was torn, multiple DNA samples inside her, and she was bruised or beaten, it would not appear to be consensual. Who in their right mind would think a virgin would decide to have rough group sex and one of them almost 3X her age?

[MissinNat]

Howdy Katz and TS and Mrs red and 2nJ...

Katz.. did you get my email the other day?  My little red love machine? lol

Yes!  Ang!  It's beautiful!!!!  I haven't been here to answer ~ pretty much spent the whole weekend either dancing or working...

What a beautiful car, Angie!!!!!!!  I love that spoiler in the back!  How fast does it go???


Woohoo!

Got a new car, Angie?  When is the big day for your daughter?  Hope you are well!

  TY Katz!  Speedometer goes up to 140?   Not gonna do that anytime soon..lol  

[Houdini]

Sunfreak2 wrote:

If her hymen was torn, multiple DNA samples inside her, and she was bruised or beaten, it would not appear to be consensual. Who in their right mind would think a virgin would decide to have rough group sex and one of them almost 3X her age?

I wouldn't.  But then how could you prove it wasn't as they said?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

MISSIN NAT.. been lurking and saw your post.. big day is August 26th~! I cant wait til its over.  

 (yep.. I got me a new car..lol... ) been wanting one for a while.. figure I may as well go for broke.. ha ha~!) wedding.. car.. wth? lol

[Shizaru]

Sunfreak: Did you ever find a source for the trio being questioned on May 31?

[MissinNat]

MISSIN NAT.. been lurking and saw your post.. big day is August 26th~! I cant wait til its over.  

 (yep.. I got me a new car..lol... ) been wanting one for a while.. figure I may as well go for broke.. ha ha~!) wedding.. car.. wth? lol

Wow..that is only about 3 weeks away!  I bet you are anxious to get it over with.  So much planning!

What kind of car did you get?

Take care, Angie!!!

[Angiex911dsptchr]

MISSIN NAT.. been lurking and saw your post.. big day is August 26th~! I cant wait til its over.  

 (yep.. I got me a new car..lol... ) been wanting one for a while.. figure I may as well go for broke.. ha ha~!) wedding.. car.. wth? lol

Wow..that is only about 3 weeks away!  I bet you are anxious to get it over with.  So much planning!

What kind of car did you get?

Take care, Angie!!!

  TY sweety!  got a chevy cobolt ss   super sport..      
YES I am anxious.. shes a bridezilla lately.. sighhh..  
Hope al is well for you~~!!  Great seeing you hon..

[MissinNat]

MISSIN NAT.. been lurking and saw your post.. big day is August 26th~! I cant wait til its over.  

 (yep.. I got me a new car..lol... ) been wanting one for a while.. figure I may as well go for broke.. ha ha~!) wedding.. car.. wth? lol

Wow..that is only about 3 weeks away!  I bet you are anxious to get it over with.  So much planning!

What kind of car did you get?

Take care, Angie!!!

  TY sweety!  got a chevy cobolt ss   super sport..      
YES I am anxious.. shes a bridezilla lately.. sighhh..  
Hope al is well for you~~!!  Great seeing you hon..

Cool!  I hope your car lasts a long, long time and makes you smile!  Sounds like it will!

It must be hard being the bride too!

Great seeing you too Angie!

Have a great week.

Wish we'd hear something positive on Nat!

[SunFreak2]

Sunfreak2 wrote:

If her hymen was torn, multiple DNA samples inside her, and she was bruised or beaten, it would not appear to be consensual. Who in their right mind would think a virgin would decide to have rough group sex and one of them almost 3X her age?

I wouldn't.  But then how could you prove it wasn't as they said?

Since she is missing and presumed dead her family and her friends would have to be her character witnesses.
She had no prior history of leaving bars with strange people, taking drugs, or having sex.  Assuming that J2K lied about the HI drop-off, why would anyone believe them to be telling the truth now?  It's a possibility that it was consensual and then she just ran away, but that being what happened is slim to none.  Of course we are talking about an Aruban court where the trial is decided by one person, the judge.  And most likely that judge would be more inclined to protect Arubans, Dutch, and tourism.

[SunFreak2]

Sunfreak: Did you ever find a source for the trio being questioned on May 31?

I haven't looked yet, but I will.

[Houdini]

Sunfreak2 wrote:

Since she is missing and presumed dead her family and her friends would have to be her character witnesses.
She had no prior history of leaving bars with strange people, taking drugs, or having sex. Assuming that J2K lied about the HI drop-off, why would anyone believe them to be telling the truth now? It's a possibility that it was consensual and then she just ran away, but that being what happened is slim to none. Of course we are talking about an Aruban court where the trial is decided by one person, the judge. And most likely that judge would be more inclined to protect Arubans, Dutch, and tourism.

That is the only point I was trying to make.  Something or someone made a cover up the more agreeable way to go.

[MissinNat]

Night All!  Have a good night and a Great week!  I hope we get some news from NY and that it is positive!

[BIGORANGECRUSH]

Hi Angie! Passing thru!

[BIGORANGECRUSH]

MISSIN NAT.. been lurking and saw your post.. big day is August 26th~! I cant wait til its over.  

 (yep.. I got me a new car..lol... ) been wanting one for a while.. figure I may as well go for broke.. ha ha~!) wedding.. car.. wth? lol

I have a big wedding in Minneapolis on that date!

[Anna]

.
Speaking of Michael Posner, How does anyone ever do a search on these characters when they have so many different names!  

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Casino boss Michael Posner denies that he knows van der Sloot and denies ever extending him casino credit. Posner's lawyer Allan Ackerman says Posner was in Chicago when Holloway vanished and returned to Aruba the day after.

Now 64 years old, here's the intelligence report on Michael William Posner:


aka Michael Rubins and Irving Goldstein.


his family still resides in Riverwoods.

his criminal profile lists involvement in illegal gambling, strip clubs and vending machines.

criminal history dates to 1960 includes numerous arrests and successful tax and racketeering prosecutions.

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=i...tive&id=3936339


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[Red]

A bit off thread but I would like to thank all those who also read SM: Missing Persons.

Although I did not post until August 2005 on the MP Blog, http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=141&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

SM: Missing & Exploited http://missingexploited.com/

Today is the 1 year anniversary of its inception. Many people have stated that the Natalee Holloway case sucked the oxygen from other missing person cases. I state just the opposite, it has attracted others to care about other cases.

We just went over the 300,000 mark today for MP. Thank you to all that read other cases. All missing persons matter.

In a way they are all attached to one another.

As I have said to Dave, Beth, Drew Kesse and others, missing persons parents are a select fraternity that no one wishes to be a member of.

God Bless them all....

[2NJSons_Mom]

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Speaking of Michael Posner, How does anyone ever do a search on these characters when they have so many different names!  

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Casino boss Michael Posner denies that he knows van der Sloot and denies ever extending him casino credit. Posner's lawyer Allan Ackerman says Posner was in Chicago when Holloway vanished and returned to Aruba the day after.

Now 64 years old, here's the intelligence report on Michael William Posner:


aka Michael Rubins and Irving Goldstein.


his family still resides in Riverwoods.

his criminal profile lists involvement in illegal gambling, strip clubs and vending machines.

criminal history dates to 1960 includes numerous arrests and successful tax and racketeering prosecutions.

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=i...tive&id=3936339


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Double negatives always are a red flag for me.