Lively Case Discussion #504 7/31 - 8/3/2006

[Kat_Gram]

Ono wrote:

We are not in a court of law here...we are on a discussion board. There is considerable pain and blood when a virgin has intercourse for the first time and is not a pleasant experience for her...that is why I judged that you must be male, as obviously you do not know this fact.

You judge alot Ono from few assumptions.  Suppose the autopsy found her hymen intact?

WHAT TF ? Am I in the right place ? Jeeze ! !

[klaasend]

A bit off thread but I would like to thank all those who also read SM: Missing Persons.

Although I did not post until August 2005 on the MP Blog, http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=141&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

SM: Missing & Exploited http://missingexploited.com/

Today is the 1 year anniversary of its inception. Many people have stated that the Natalee Holloway case sucked the oxygen from other missing person cases. I state just the opposite, it has attracted others to care about other cases.

We just went over the 300,000 mark today for MP. Thank you to all that read other cases. All missing persons matter.

In a way they are all attached to one another.

As I have said to Dave, Beth, Drew Kesse and others, missing persons parents are a select fraternity that no one wishes to be a member of.

God Bless them all....

It's amazing that it's gone over the 300,000 mark.  Great to see people are paying attention to these missing persons cases, all of them!  

Great job Red and Tom!

[Kat_Gram]

Is it me, or does SandraK seem to have some mental deficiencies she's dealing with?  Somebody send that girl a damn calendar...

I guess half a brain is better then nothin'...

Well let's see,
she's been in a coma...(and SM taught her how to speak again???)
lives in Aruba, MI...
is a doctor....

uh... I guess I would be confused too!!

Well, she may actually still be in a coma Scarlett!!  And, if SM taught her how to speak again, which site taught her that god awful Indian accent she used on Dana's show?  It sounded like she was a ghost in a somewhat +++++++ haunted house that day...

Oh NO....NO....NO..... SM is not saying that we taught her how to speak again... that one came straight from the horse's mouth sotaspeak....

I have no idea what's up with these guys and their crack addictions!!!

Mrs. Red Could you email me with a mailing addresss ? For those glasses ?

[SunFreak2]

Sunfreak: Did you ever find a source for the trio being questioned on May 31?

I haven't looked yet, but I will.

Shiz -
6/1/05 Diario morning edition stated that Natalee was missing and that a suspect believed at first to be a Dutch tourist was taken in for questioning.

6/2/05 Fox news reported that Tito wrote for the AP news, "Police questioned and released three Aruban men who said they dropped Holloway off early Monday at the Holliday Inn, where she had been staying about 3 miles from the capital of Oranjestad, said police assistant inspector Jules Sambo. The three were not suspects, he said."

6/3/05 - CNN” reported, “…there were three people that they talked to. And those three individuals are on the island. They were spoken to once by officials -- interviewed. And we understand, according to some of our sources there, that they have been called back for a second interview” and “I think they`re kind of keeping it close to the vest, though I can tell you this. I was monitoring a conversation not long ago with a lieutenant who is in charge of one of the investigations there in Aruba. And he said, and I`m going to quote him now, that he expected there could be arrests soon. And then he said that they expected to have some more news tomorrow.”

6/305 -  SAMBO stated the police questioned and released three ARUBAN classmates who said they dropped HOLLOWAY off early Monday at the Holiday Inn “The three were not suspects” and “We don't have any indication as to if she is alive," Sambo said. "The whole population is aware that she is missing. The police are doing everything to find her."

We also know from Dave Holloway's many statements, that when he arrived on the island on 6/1/05 J2K had already been questioned and released.

I remember reading that it was in the afternoon, on Tuesday, when they went in for their first questioning.  Maybe it is from the Deepak/SKeeter interview, or one of Joran's interviews, but I remember it being mid-afternoon.

I hope this helps.

[Port Valerie]

WHAT TF ? Am I in the right place ? Jeeze ! !

Agreed. A new low.

[Kat_Gram]

WHAT TF ? Am I in the right place ? Jeeze ! !

Agreed. A new low.

That was the first post I saw. I had a strange day at work and I guess I am in the wrong place.

[Port Valerie]

Just checking in. Hello, everyone. Congratulations on the 300,000 mark. That's a big accomplishment.

[oldfart]

A bit off thread but I would like to thank all those who also read SM: Missing Persons.

Although I did not post until August 2005 on the MP Blog, http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=141&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

SM: Missing & Exploited http://missingexploited.com/

Today is the 1 year anniversary of its inception. Many people have stated that the Natalee Holloway case sucked the oxygen from other missing person cases. I state just the opposite, it has attracted others to care about other cases.

We just went over the 300,000 mark today for MP. Thank you to all that read other cases. All missing persons matter.

In a way they are all attached to one another.

As I have said to Dave, Beth, Drew Kesse and others, missing persons parents are a select fraternity that no one wishes to be a member of.

God Bless them all....

Red
I am embarrassed to say that I do not follow other missing person cases as closely as Natalee's  

But have to ask you and any others that may happen on this post..

Given that you will always have those that will have something contrary / argumentative / nasty to say simply because they can and get  some sort of fulfillment / enjoyment of doing so.

Do other Missing persons cases have as much  "Negative" information / speculation (being nice here) about the the missing person or their family / friends being posted on the INTERNET or other media outlets?

Just Wondering.

TIA

[SunnyinTX]

.
Speaking of Michael Posner, How does anyone ever do a search on these characters when they have so many different names!  

>>
Casino boss Michael Posner denies that he knows van der Sloot and denies ever extending him casino credit. Posner's lawyer Allan Ackerman says Posner was in Chicago when Holloway vanished and returned to Aruba the day after.

Now 64 years old, here's the intelligence report on Michael William Posner:


aka Michael Rubins and Irving Goldstein.


his family still resides in Riverwoods.

his criminal profile lists involvement in illegal gambling, strip clubs and vending machines.

criminal history dates to 1960 includes numerous arrests and successful tax and racketeering prosecutions.

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=i...tive&id=3936339


.

GOLDSTEIN!!!  HOLEY MOLEY ANNA....I think you have just possibly answered some nagging questions that has plagued me for months....NOW THINGS MIGHT BE FALLING IN PLACE !!  GOLDSTEIN..uummmmm now where do we know that name from... ....secret sources that can't be told....same last name.....HOLEY MLOEY!!!

[klaasend]

Oldfart - it's been my experience that most highly publicized missing persons cases do have there share of victim and victim family bashers.  It's very sad but true.  There are alot of crazy people out there.

[SunnyinTX]

A bit off thread but I would like to thank all those who also read SM: Missing Persons.

Although I did not post until August 2005 on the MP Blog, http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=141&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

SM: Missing & Exploited http://missingexploited.com/

Today is the 1 year anniversary of its inception. Many people have stated that the Natalee Holloway case sucked the oxygen from other missing person cases. I state just the opposite, it has attracted others to care about other cases.

We just went over the 300,000 mark today for MP. Thank you to all that read other cases. All missing persons matter.

In a way they are all attached to one another.

As I have said to Dave, Beth, Drew Kesse and others, missing persons parents are a select fraternity that no one wishes to be a member of.

God Bless them all....

and God Bless you Red for caring so much.

[oldfart]

.
Speaking of Michael Posner, How does anyone ever do a search on these characters when they have so many different names!  

>>
Casino boss Michael Posner denies that he knows van der Sloot and denies ever extending him casino credit. Posner's lawyer Allan Ackerman says Posner was in Chicago when Holloway vanished and returned to Aruba the day after.

Now 64 years old, here's the intelligence report on Michael William Posner:


aka Michael Rubins and Irving Goldstein.




his family still resides in Riverwoods.

his criminal profile lists involvement in illegal gambling, strip clubs and vending machines.

criminal history dates to 1960 includes numerous arrests and successful tax and racketeering prosecutions.

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=i...tive&id=3936339

Anna
Thanks for the link
Anyone know who these investigarors  were?  and   What they came up with      

[mrs. red]

Is it me, or does SandraK seem to have some mental deficiencies she's dealing with?  Somebody send that girl a damn calendar...

I guess half a brain is better then nothin'...

Well let's see,
she's been in a coma...(and SM taught her how to speak again???)
lives in Aruba, MI...
is a doctor....

uh... I guess I would be confused too!!

Well, she may actually still be in a coma Scarlett!!  And, if SM taught her how to speak again, which site taught her that god awful Indian accent she used on Dana's show?  It sounded like she was a ghost in a somewhat +++++++ haunted house that day...

Oh NO....NO....NO..... SM is not saying that we taught her how to speak again... that one came straight from the horse's mouth sotaspeak....

I have no idea what's up with these guys and their crack addictions!!!

Mrs. Red Could you email me with a mailing addresss ? For those glasses ?

Kat, I don't know your email addy... can you email me from my profile... or Klaas can give you my email addy...

[mrs. red]

WHAT TF ? Am I in the right place ? Jeeze ! !

Agreed. A new low.

That was the first post I saw. I had a strange day at work and I guess I am in the wrong place.

What did I miss??

[BTgirl]

This is sort of O/T, but there has been some talk here in the past about the Coffee Pot Ghost site. There were frequent references there to Natalee's disappearance. Suddenly, when I type in the site for CPG, it takes me to a site for a radio talk show host. Does anyone know what's up with that? Did he have something to do with the previous CPG site?

[oldfart]

GOLDSTEIN!!!  HOLEY MOLEY ANNA....I think you have just possibly answered some nagging questions that has plagued me for months....NOW THINGS MIGHT BE FALLING IN PLACE !!  GOLDSTEIN..uummmmm now where do we know that name from... ....secret sources that can't be told....same last name.....HOLEY MLOEY!!!

SunnyinTX

I'm trying to word this correctly which means it will come out like CHIT
sorry in advance...
But do you have a problem with the family name of Glodstein or what the name may imply  or  maybe something the viewing public is not aware of?  
Last I checked ANYONE can view the posts here? I'm just wondering and NOT attempting to be nasty
TIA

[mrs. red]

.
Speaking of Michael Posner, How does anyone ever do a search on these characters when they have so many different names!  

>>
Casino boss Michael Posner denies that he knows van der Sloot and denies ever extending him casino credit. Posner's lawyer Allan Ackerman says Posner was in Chicago when Holloway vanished and returned to Aruba the day after.

Now 64 years old, here's the intelligence report on Michael William Posner:


aka Michael Rubins and Irving Goldstein.




his family still resides in Riverwoods.

his criminal profile lists involvement in illegal gambling, strip clubs and vending machines.

criminal history dates to 1960 includes numerous arrests and successful tax and racketeering prosecutions.

Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=i...tive&id=3936339

Anna
Thanks for the link
Anyone know who these investigarors  were?  and   What they came up with      

well I would say nothin' to do with nothin' ... hmmmm..... hmmmmm really?  some how I don't think so....

they always say follow the money!

[SunFreak2]

Any news on the rape and pillage of Aruban money coffers by the Slicks yet?  I thought it was supposed to be by Aug 31, not July 31.

[Carnut]

WHAT TF ? Am I in the right place ? Jeeze ! !

Agreed. A new low.

That was the first post I saw. I had a strange day at work and I guess I am in the wrong place.

What did I miss??

Ah, Houdini was making a point on the case and it came out somewhat indelicately in nature for the general viewing public.

[Shizaru]

Sunfreak: Did you ever find a source for the trio being questioned on May 31?

I haven't looked yet, but I will.

Shiz -
6/1/05 Diario morning edition stated that Natalee was missing and that a suspect believed at first to be a Dutch tourist was taken in for questioning.

6/2/05 Fox news reported that Tito wrote for the AP news, "Police questioned and released three Aruban men who said they dropped Holloway off early Monday at the Holliday Inn, where she had been staying about 3 miles from the capital of Oranjestad, said police assistant inspector Jules Sambo. The three were not suspects, he said."

6/3/05 - CNN” reported, “…there were three people that they talked to. And those three individuals are on the island. They were spoken to once by officials -- interviewed. And we understand, according to some of our sources there, that they have been called back for a second interview” and “I think they`re kind of keeping it close to the vest, though I can tell you this. I was monitoring a conversation not long ago with a lieutenant who is in charge of one of the investigations there in Aruba. And he said, and I`m going to quote him now, that he expected there could be arrests soon. And then he said that they expected to have some more news tomorrow.”

6/305 -  SAMBO stated the police questioned and released three ARUBAN classmates who said they dropped HOLLOWAY off early Monday at the Holiday Inn “The three were not suspects” and “We don't have any indication as to if she is alive," Sambo said. "The whole population is aware that she is missing. The police are doing everything to find her."

We also know from Dave Holloway's many statements, that when he arrived on the island on 6/1/05 J2K had already been questioned and released.

I remember reading that it was in the afternoon, on Tuesday, when they went in for their first questioning.  Maybe it is from the Deepak/SKeeter interview, or one of Joran's interviews, but I remember it being mid-afternoon.

I hope this helps.

It does. thanks