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« Reply #1020 on: June 16, 2005, 04:50:51 PM »

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« Reply #1021 on: June 16, 2005, 04:50:57 PM »

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I wonder if we have anyone here who is involved in LE or knows something about interregations?  My question is this: Why haven't they cracked yet?  I mean these are just ordinary kids who are scared and in prison for the first time; certainly they would confess if interegatted long enough.  It also seems to me that they are giving out details leading authorities in the right direction, but nothing concrete. Why?  Why point someone towards the truth instead of just telling them straight away what it is?


     Well, we're assuming that everything we've heard about the two brothers telling one story and Joran another, and then Joran retracting his frst story to agree with the brothers is true. It may not be. Remember the statement on Friday that someone had confessed and was going to lead them to the body? That turned out to be false. The bottom line is that we have no idea what any of the three have said to authorities.


You are correct.  Most of what we know comes from sources that do not have a very good track record thus far.   Sad



     Something else to keep in mind is the point that several people have made concerning Aruban law, which is that information that is "leaked" to the press during an investigation is inadmissable in any later court procedure. So I suppose it's possible that a lot of what we're being fed could be used to fertilize your backyard vegetable patch.


I doubt they go that far, though I remember that they don't reveal info until trial is over.  If that were true though and the police found a body, would a press leak regarding that make the body inadmissable as evidence?  I must be missing something.


    No, because the body would constitute irrefutable physical evidence. A conversation, or overheard remarks, can be denied. Or disputed. I suppose you could draw a rough--very rough--parallel to U.S. standards regarding the admissability of hearsay.


Just because they find a body doesn't mean they can prove that the boys did it.
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« Reply #1022 on: June 16, 2005, 04:51:16 PM »

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Based on everything that I have heard, read, and watched I think the following makes the most logical sense:

I believe that they put something in her last drink at C&C, be it GHB or Ruffies.  She left C&C with Joran, the brothers were driving.  They drove to lighthouse, but never got out.  Joran needed time for whatever he gave her to take effect.  The brothers then dropped Joran and Natalee off at Fisherman’s Hut.  Joran pushes himself on her, sexually.  By this time, she is feeling the effects, but still tries to fight back.  Joran muffles her cries and continues.  At this point I believe she passes out and Joran panics.  He calls the brothers who come and pick him up and take him home.  

They concoct a story, because Joran thinks she’s dead.  Assuming, someone will find her on the beach.  The brothers tell him that she probably passed out and will wake up in the morning.  After a few days, the boys realize they need to come up with a plan, because they will get blamed for her disappearance.  After all, they were the last to see her alive.

Maybe the boys are telling everything they know and someone else found her?


Hi Jennya,

I would agree with you, except for one thing, if all 3 were soooooo innocent, their stories would NOT keep changing.

They had plenty of time to talk to the elder Van der Sloot, and I am sure, he would of told them to just tell the truth.

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Perhaps the three were coached on what they should do while in custody...it would stand to reason that someone could have coached them to speak to the security guards as well as change their story after a few days.  I mean really... one would expect them to crack and change their stories...so one could tell them to change them.  Still their stories go nowhere...and it keeps the polis guessing.

Just a thought.


Woody,

At this point, I think anything is possilbe.  Lord knows they had enough time to cover practically any scenario.

Cheers!
I can't stay long, but I wanted to jump in here.  First, "She left C&C with Joran, the brothers were driving. " I have absolutely no doubt that at this point NAtalee was being KIDNAPPED.  She had no intention to do other than accept a ride to the HOTEL.

"At this point I believe she passes out and Joran panics. He calls the brothers who come and pick him up and take him home. "  
If you imply they left her there, I would hope so as the lesser of two evils.  But on the otherhand, I
'm not so sure of that.  If this is all so except for leavng her there to be abducted by others, they (or he)  had to spend time disposing of her.  I'm not sure Urine would call the bros lest he needed them to help and/or wanted to get them in deeper with him.  If he didn't need them for this, he would have then made his way home alone. (As I understand, he lives a short distance from the hotels area and they live some distance inland near the "mountain").

As for Papa's coaching, I have no doubt there has been as much of that as they could possibly concoct.  I think Papa is dangerous and a contributor to the plot.  

So to speak!
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« Reply #1023 on: June 16, 2005, 04:51:17 PM »

Another map
http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/armap.shtml
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« Reply #1024 on: June 16, 2005, 04:51:39 PM »

try this from the MSN main page (without logging in) under searches NATALEE HOLLOWAY comes up first, then it is the first link that comes up ARUBA POLICE PROBE TEEN'S DISAPPEARANCE, under that it says, AP Via New York Post 06/16/05.

AND if that doesn't work try NY POST ONLINE EDITION JUNE 16 10:09 AM EDT
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« Reply #1025 on: June 16, 2005, 04:52:26 PM »

You just click on the map to find a paper which is the client of the AP. No big deal. The article really doesn't say anything. But try this link.

http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynamic/stories/A/ARUBA_MISSING_TEEN?SITE=FLROC&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-06-16-16-29-10
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« Reply #1026 on: June 16, 2005, 04:52:28 PM »

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savaneta is southeast toward San Nicholas about half way between there and the airport which is south east of oranjestad.  radio is reporting developments in the case will be available shortly
 Is it anywhere close  to where that cell phone call was made to or from?
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« Reply #1027 on: June 16, 2005, 04:53:03 PM »

LET ME KNOW IF anyone is able to get that NY Post Article & video
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« Reply #1028 on: June 16, 2005, 04:53:08 PM »

Can you copy & paste the article?
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« Reply #1029 on: June 16, 2005, 04:53:29 PM »

http://newsobserver.com/24hour/world/story/2487853p-10831534c.html
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« Reply #1030 on: June 16, 2005, 04:55:40 PM »

Article just says copter failed to find body.


But the radio story has promise.

Any more word?
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« Reply #1031 on: June 16, 2005, 04:55:44 PM »

arubans against the boycott rightly point out that Fine's "misfit" island is good enough for american companies that operate most of the hotels and casinos and fly in and out with tourists.  they wonder why some bozo in Alabama or whereever would organize a boycott that will hurt american interests on the island.
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« Reply #1032 on: June 16, 2005, 04:56:35 PM »

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LET ME KNOW IF anyone is able to get that NY Post Article & video


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« Reply #1033 on: June 16, 2005, 04:56:48 PM »

well i guess she may not be on the island...another strange twist...
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« Reply #1034 on: June 16, 2005, 04:57:14 PM »

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I wonder if we have anyone here who is involved in LE or knows something about interregations?  My question is this: Why haven't they cracked yet?  I mean these are just ordinary kids who are scared and in prison for the first time; certainly they would confess if interegatted long enough.  It also seems to me that they are giving out details leading authorities in the right direction, but nothing concrete. Why?  Why point someone towards the truth instead of just telling them straight away what it is?


     Well, we're assuming that everything we've heard about the two brothers telling one story and Joran another, and then Joran retracting his frst story to agree with the brothers is true. It may not be. Remember the statement on Friday that someone had confessed and was going to lead them to the body? That turned out to be false. The bottom line is that we have no idea what any of the three have said to authorities.


You are correct.  Most of what we know comes from sources that do not have a very good track record thus far.   Sad



     Something else to keep in mind is the point that several people have made concerning Aruban law, which is that information that is "leaked" to the press during an investigation is inadmissable in any later court procedure. So I suppose it's possible that a lot of what we're being fed could be used to fertilize your backyard vegetable patch.


I doubt they go that far, though I remember that they don't reveal info until trial is over.  If that were true though and the police found a body, would a press leak regarding that make the body inadmissable as evidence?  I must be missing something.


    No, because the body would constitute irrefutable physical evidence. A conversation, or overheard remarks, can be denied. Or disputed. I suppose you could draw a rough--very rough--parallel to U.S. standards regarding the admissability of hearsay.


Just because they find a body doesn't mean they can prove that the boys did it.



   No, but it's admissable. Which I think was the original question.
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« Reply #1035 on: June 16, 2005, 04:57:53 PM »

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arubans against the boycott rightly point out that Fine's "misfit" island is good enough for american companies that operate most of the hotels and casinos and fly in and out with tourists.  they wonder why some bozo in Alabama or whereever would organize a boycott that will hurt american interests on the island.


That "DEE" person doesn't represent this Alabama Girl!  She was way out of her league!
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« Reply #1036 on: June 16, 2005, 04:59:04 PM »

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arubans against the boycott rightly point out that Fine's "misfit" island is good enough for american companies that operate most of the hotels and casinos and fly in and out with tourists.  they wonder why some bozo in Alabama or whereever would organize a boycott that will hurt american interests on the island.


That "DEE" person doesn't represent this Alabama Girl!  She was way out of her league!


I couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #1037 on: June 16, 2005, 05:00:02 PM »

I'm posting again hoping it will help fill up this page and get us to one where the margins aren't all messed up.  I hate scrolling side to side to read.   Very Happy
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« Reply #1038 on: June 16, 2005, 05:00:23 PM »

Just adding to this thread to get rid of the horizontal scroll bar.

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« Reply #1039 on: June 16, 2005, 05:00:26 PM »

Anything else from the radio?
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