RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 5

[sb]

One thing that has been bothering me about Joran... if he is such the party boy and is constantly hanging out in clubs and casinos, where are the other Americans (or tourists from anywhere) that have come in contact with him?  If this is his normal lifestyle, it seems that people would be coming out of the woodwork saying that they have met him and partied with him on the island.  I have only heard a couple of unconfirmed stories about people having met him on trips to Aruba.  Have any of you heard anything along these lines?

EXCELLENT point! I have been thinking that there ought to be an APB out for any American tourists that might have encountered Joran previouslly so that we can get some type of modus operandi established, like has he tried to get girls to ride off with him somewhere etc. WHY this hasn't been done by the media here in the US, MUCH LESS law enforcement, I can't believe.

[mbhs05]

This is an aflluent subdivision of Birmingham, but not all the people there are filthy reach.  There are just nice houses and then there are mansions, Natalee's house is just a nice house.    The reason Mt Brook is considered affluent is because the property taxes are extreme, for example on Natalee's house which is probably valued at $250,000, they probably pay $5,000 a year in property taxes which the city puts back in their school system.  It's the best school system in the State of Alabama and people will sacrifice to live there just for that.  The city will not annex new property because they want to protect their school system. That's not saying that there are not a lot of rich people who live in Mtn. Brook, there are.   It's 5 minutes from downtown Birmingham, very convenient for executives, but not everybody who lives there is influential or filthy rich.

Bottom line is Birmingham is a very close knit city.  If one of ours is in need, somebody will try to help.  We care about each other.  I live in Vestavia Hills, Al, which joins Mtn Brook city limits, I have a big yellow bow on my mailbox.  I don't know this family, but I would do anything I could to help them.   This city is a family and we act accordingly.   Thank goodness our business community is willing to share their resources with anybody in need, like the Twitty family.

I've very proud of my Birmingham, in the way we've come together on this.   Make fun of us as you will, but we're proud to be here and we continue to pray, support and cry with Natalee's family.

Yeah I'm beginning to see more and more ribbons outside of Mountain Brook and it's awesome! It's crazy because it seems like we're rather competitive sometimes...but that's probably because everyone loves football so much, haha. Anyway it's great to see people outside of here paying attention to this case, too!

[iquitos]

I like the analogy.  Affair with Congressman, smear her reputation, lackluster search, they find her bones a year later and arrest a Salvadoran illegal for the crime.  It is possible that a third party took advantage of Natalee as she stumbled her way back to her hotel under the influence of something.  But where did she disappear to?   We need some expertise on ocean currents and prevailing winds.

[friend of monkeys]

I know the issue is not made up but the likelihood is much greater that she was raped and murdered.  If Aruba is such a center of sex slave trade, why in the world hasn't this been made more public considering parents are sending their children there to party?

Did you look at the list of countries on that site?  Sex slavery isn't the first thing that comes to mind for most of them.  I'm not saying Aruba is some huge sex trafficking area, but it's only 20 miles from Venezuela, which IS. Also, it's the Caribbean it's pretty easy to come and go undetected or unsuspected there. It's a more laid back lifestyle. I just don't think you can summarily dismiss the possibility because it's not 'advertised' as a sex trade area and because you haven't heard about it.

YUP-WIZ I'M WITH YOU....

WHAT DID BUDDAH SAY ABOUT "KNOWING""....

[dragonfly]

Good morning all!  After catching up on my reading and putting bits and pieces together, something is seriously nagging at me.  Please read, think about and see what you can come up with.  These are all observations from wwizard, Another K in Texas, Friend of Mickey John, West Coast guy, etc.

1.  Put some (not all, some) of wwizard's theory in place.
2.  Add in FOMJ's thoughts re: polis (which I think could be a real possibility).
3.  Throw in pop VDSloot (does he really have friends on the inside?).
4.  Now you may have the 3 boys, pop and an official involved.

(insert 6:30 am cell phone call)

5.  Does the older brother have any shady contacts from being on the internet during his spare time at work?
6.  Does Joran have any huge gambling debts?
7.  Did pop actually take Joran out of the country or could it have been someone else?

Those are my notes.  I truly think that at least some of these pieces fit together in a way no one has looked at before, so I am trusting "you all" to pokes holes and/or piece together.

Okay, the only thing I think I can say for sure is that Joran's father was already out of town and came back when this happened.  I don't think he "took" anyone out of town.  I don't know the answers to the rest of it.  While I do think there is a possibility of this being a kidnapping/human slavery incident I just can't really buy into it.  If the human trading business is so big in Aruba as to have police and government officials involved then why do we only hear about Natalee?  Even Amy Bradley was not in Aruba.  What I read about that case is that they were near Aruba but had not even docked there and that was years ago.  Do I believe that the police were reluctant to investigate Joran because of who he is, yes I do.  But do I believe that there is human trade going on involving government officials and police that somehow relates also to a teenagers gambling habits?  No, I can't susbcribe to that.  Show me evidence of more missing women (no matter what nationality) from Aruba and maybe I can take a bigger look at it.

[bamabelle11]

so now Joran is on his third story?? How incriminating is that? Of course he is guilty and knows what happens.. he would have been better off just sticking to the first one they all said about dropping her off. He's obviously not too stable at this point and he will crack or he might have already and they're just keeping the press in the dark at this moment

[friend of monkeys]

so now Joran is on his third story?? How incriminating is that? Of course he is guilty and knows what happens.. he would have been better off just sticking to the first one they all said about dropping her off. He's obviously not too stable at this point and he will crack or he might have already and they're just keeping the press in the dark at this moment

MAYBE HEADS ROLL ALL OVER ARUBA TO VENEZUELA IF ANYONE SAYS SHIT.

[Chicago_510]

I know other people on this board have touched on this topic, but did the boys mention WHICH lighthouse they went to?  There's more than one lighthouse in Aruba.  The area around the Colorado Point lighthouse in Seroe Colorado might be worth checking out.  


Even though they keep changing their stories, maybe we need to read between the lines.   They might have felt that their story would be more believable if it was almost the truth.

[wwizard]

I know the issue is not made up but the likelihood is much greater that she was raped and murdered.  If Aruba is such a center of sex slave trade, why in the world hasn't this been made more public considering parents are sending their children there to party?

aruba, per se, is not the epicenter of white slavery 2 b sure (search google 4 israel/white slavery). there are people who take them worldwide. even the US isnt safe if "they" want u. lust knows no logic. most abductions never get n e press. this one did. just a minor inconvenience. its BIG MONEY involved. the kind we only dream about. saudi arabia loves blondes and read heads. south america loves blondes. "they" want watt they dont have or sumthing different.

[Brenda]

questions...

the 6:30 am phone call the morning of the 1st of june....

1.  who made it?
2.  where was it made from?
3.  where was it made to?


Dee Fine questions...

1. who is she/he?
2.  what did this person do?

[Kat]

Too bad they can't just give him abit of sodium pentathol...

[mbhs05]

Too bad they can't just give him abit of sodium pentathol...

I wish they just WOULD. Geez. What's wrong with doing things the easy way?

[chloe2]

For the comments earlier about a 17 year old being capable of killing someone and then going to school.  We have a case in Chapel Hill, NC - much more affluent and better educated than the area in AL, .

Am I the only one that this comment rubs the wrong way?  Just because you are from the middle of nowhere in the South does not mean you are less educated and does not neccassarily mean you are less affluent.  I grew up in MS near Meridian, not even in a town and believe it or not we had a school and I went there and learned something. Now I live in the RTP area so I am very familiar with this specific case.    I'm sick of people thinking the South equates to uneducated.

In RN school I was treated like an idiot by some people because I was from MS.  They ate their words when I graduated with better grades, more clinical awards than any student in our class and at the top 5% of the class grade wise.   Wish I could have seen their faces when I passed boards and two of them didn't!

OK, over my tantrum....LOL

Lainey, unless something has changed, I believe Chapel Hill is also in the South.

I don't think the poster meant to offend - Chapel Hill is a college town. My brother lived there for years. I wouldn't say it's more affluent or more educated than Mountain Brook -- just has more diversity.

FYI,I grew up in Mississippi, but now live out on the 'left' coast (in a wonderfully blue state).  It's only in the past couple of years I have ever told anyone I grew up there and gotten this response: "Oh, I've never been there, I'd love to visit that state."  Most of the time, it was quite the opposite reaction. The nice thing, though, is you can use that prejudice against them -- let them assume you're a dumb hick and see how well you can maneuver.

[iquitos]

It has always been assumed and beleived to be California lighthouse.

[Vorpman]

so now Joran is on his third story?? How incriminating is that? Of course he is guilty and knows what happens.. he would have been better off just sticking to the first one they all said about dropping her off. He's obviously not too stable at this point and he will crack or he might have already and they're just keeping the press in the dark at this moment

We don't know what formal statements the two other teens gave LE after they changed their story the second time.  It appears that the verbal communication given to Mickie John admits a change in story but minimizes his participation in events during and after Holloway's disappearence.

[friend of monkeys]

questions...

the 6:30 am phone call the morning of the 1st of june....

1.  who made it?
2.  where was it made from?
3.  where was it made to?

WONDER WHY THAT ISN'T BEING SAID????
hEADS ROLL...ONE CALL DOES IT ALL.

[mbhs05]

For the comments earlier about a 17 year old being capable of killing someone and then going to school.  We have a case in Chapel Hill, NC - much more affluent and better educated than the area in AL, .

Am I the only one that this comment rubs the wrong way?  Just because you are from the middle of nowhere in the South does not mean you are less educated and does not neccassarily mean you are less affluent.  I grew up in MS near Meridian, not even in a town and believe it or not we had a school and I went there and learned something. Now I live in the RTP area so I am very familiar with this specific case.    I'm sick of people thinking the South equates to uneducated.

In RN school I was treated like an idiot by some people because I was from MS.  They ate their words when I graduated with better grades, more clinical awards than any student in our class and at the top 5% of the class grade wise.   Wish I could have seen their faces when I passed boards and two of them didn't!

OK, over my tantrum....LOL

Lainey, unless something has changed, I believe Chapel Hill is also in the South.

I don't think the poster meant to offend - Chapel Hill is a college town. My brother lived there for years. I wouldn't say it's more affluent or more educated than Mountain Brook -- just has more diversity.

FYI,I grew up in Mississippi, but now live out on the 'left' coast (in a wonderfully blue state).  It's only in the past couple of years I have ever told anyone I grew up there and gotten this response: "Oh, I've never been there, I'd love to visit that state."  Most of the time, it was quite the opposite reaction. The nice thing, though, is you can use that prejudice against them -- let them assume you're a dumb hick and see how well you can maneuver.

I prefer to shoot them down automatically. I like seeing the sheepish look on their face after I can...wow...speak in a COMPLETE sentence! Someone has ACTUALLY asked me before if I ride a tractor around and wear overalls...just because I'm from Alabama!

[Armchair_Detective]

The Lighthouse mentioned is the "California Lighthouse"

..it's my computer screen wallpaper right now...trying to impose a yellow ribbon @ the lighthouse...

[wwizard]

I know the issue is not made up but the likelihood is much greater that she was raped and murdered.  If Aruba is such a center of sex slave trade, why in the world hasn't this been made more public considering parents are sending their children there to party?

MONEY trail agin. lots is kept quiet because they depend on tourism MONEY. its about BIG MONEY. lots of MONEY at stake.

[friend of monkeys]

NO ONE IS BASHING ALABAMAS IQ CHLOE