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« Reply #840 on: June 16, 2005, 02:28:24 PM »

sources used for this timeline include:
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/details_of

_the_.html
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050611-065006-6271r.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159327,00.html
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/
http://ap.washingtontimes.com/dynamic/stories/A/ARUBA_MISSING_TEEN?SITE=D

CTMS&SECTION=HOME
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8169252
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050611/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;

_ylt=AnfoKrLCC1SsKcDukt_a0Yes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050611/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;

_ylt=AnfoKrLCC1SsKcDukt_a0Yes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=3461896&nav=23Kuavap
http://newscenter.ninn.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=11173
http://newscenter.ninn.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=11160
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050616/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;

_ylt=AivJwyc8YVcVC1NuU25HAEus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2MTQ3MTFjBHNlYwN0cw--


May 27

Holloway's mother and stepfather told The Birmingham News in Alabama that

they discovered the Dutch boy's connection to their daughter within 24

hours of her disappearance by talking to other students on the trip. They

then found surveillance videotapes showing him playing poker with other

Mountain Brook teens in their hotel casino two days before she vanished.

*** this was reported on June 11 @ yahoo.com

May 29 Aruba

The 18-year-old vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.

Police said Van Der Sloot first met Holloway the day she disappeared at

the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying with about 40

classmates who were celebrating high school graduation.


May 30 2:00 am Aruba time

CNN said the three suspects told police they went with Holloway to a

beach after leaving the bar before taking her back to her hotel at about

2 a.m.

The men claimed they visited a lighthouse, and according to police

statements, the Kalpoe brothers described her as stumbling on the way

into the hotel, possibly as a result of alcohol.



May 30  10:30 am Aruba time
 
seniors were expected to be in the lobby of the Holiday Inn by 10:30 on

Monday morning to assemble for the journey home. One young blond face of

a reportedly mostly shy girl named Natalee Holloway never did join the

gathering there.

It was decided that the students and 6 of the 7 chaperons for the trip

would go on to the airport so as to not miss their flight back home.

May 30 11:30 am  Aruba time

Local police were first notified of the situation at approximately 11:30

AM, one hour after the seniors scheduled departure from the hotel lobby.  

A member of the beach patrol was dispatched to take a report and collect

a copy of her passport for identification purposes.


May 30 4:30 pm CST

The parents and several high profile Birmingham business men left

Birmingham around 4:30 CST on a private jet owned by one of the men, G.

Ruffner Page, Jr., President of McWane Inc. - one of Alabama's s largest

private companies.  The private plane is owned by the company.  Natalee's

parents placed several calls regarding the troubling developments prior

to their departure for Aruba.

May 30 5:30 pm CST

At approximately 5:00 CST a member of the US DEA contacted the remaining

chaperone.  The DEA representative was on Aruba on another matter and the

two individuals agreed to meet that evening back at the Holiday Inn.

Attempting to provide as much helpful information as possible the

chaperone was informed that the boy with whom Natalee left Carlos and

Charlies was somewhat known to them for having had played poker with

several of their male classmates during the course of the trip. They

identified the local boy only as Joran.

The chaperone later turned up at the casino asking questions about a boy

named Joran.  A poker room manager consulted existing lists and reports

suggest that it was then that the boy in question was first identified as

having a last initial of "V." A casino employee suggested asking

questions of other hotel employees and taxi drivers, at least one of whom

first identified the boy as being Joran Van der Sloot, son of Anita and

Paulus Van der Sloot and an honor roll student at the International

School who has been known to frequent the casinos, sometimes in the

company of his Father.

May 30 8:00 pm  Aruba time

The previously mentioned DEA representative arrived at the hotel at

approximately 8 PM and conversed with the chaperone

May 30 9:00 pm  Aruba time

local police receiving a call from the chaperone at approximately 9PM for

an update on the Natalee Holloway situation. It has been reported to me

that at that time no official report had been filed  and suggested that

the member of the Aruban beach patrol failed to submit any information on

the case. The DEA representative provided the chaperone with contact

information and left.

May 30 10:00 pm  Aruba time

The parents of Natalee Holloway were reported to have arrived at the

hotel at approximately 10 PM

May 30/31 12:00 midnight Aruba time

Several of the Alabama businessmen and the chaperone proceeded to Carlos

and Charlies to see if they might gather additional information. Joran

Van der Sloot appears to be a well known figure at the casino and an

employee directed the group to a taxi driver said to be very

knowledgeable as to comings and goings on the island. It was now

approximately midnight.

May 31 12:30 am Aruba time

The taxi driver provided more detailed information about Joran and the

group decided to approach the police with the information they had

gathered.  After discussing the information with the local police, the

group, accompanied by two officers headed to the Van der Sloot home.

Joran was not home and his father told the group that he could be found

playing poker at one of the casinos in the Palm Beach area of Aruba.  The

group, including the father, headed off to locate the boy.  Upon arriving

at the casino, the police, security guards, along with Natalee's parents

are said to have "swarmed" onto the floor and at least one report states

the police had their weapons drawn.

May 31 - unknown ?Confused? am Aruba time

The young Van der Sloot was not located in the casino. Soon thereafter,

Joran Van der Sloot placed a call to his Father's cell phone and informed

him that he was at home.

   ????? is THIS THE 6:30 am mystery phone call  ?????  did Joran    

make the 6:30 am phone call from south end of island to papa VDS?


May 31 - unknown ?Confused? am Aruba time

The entire group, including the police, headed back to the Van der Sloot

home.  They arrived to find Joran Van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe, the

younger of two brothers recently detained in the matter, leaning casually

against what has been reported to be the grey car now impounded in the

investigation.

The police set about questioning the two boys. They are said to have

claimed at that time that the now missing Natalee Holloway did indeed

leave Carlos And Charlies with them and the entire group went to the

lighthouse area together prior to dropping Natalee back at her hotel. The

boys also made additional claims consistent with other earlier reports

They also told police that they dropped Holloway at her Holiday Inn at

about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security

guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said.


   ????? STORY #1 ?????

Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway's

return. A Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift that day said

he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard's

statement to police.


With Natalee's Mother said to have remained in the car, possibly out of

the emotion involved in meeting two of the now three boys alleged to have

been the last to see her daughter alive, others in the group including

the Stepfather were present as the questioning continued for

approximately an hour.

Certain aspects of the discussion, some said to have involved Joran Van

der Sloot's Father, led to the discussion becoming heated and police

officers requested that the group disperse. More than one individual

among the group of Americans present at the Joran home that night report

a belief that the boys were lying and did indeed do something to harm

Natalee Holloway.

from Amy Kappel's site:

First story:

Natalee Holloway, was last seen in Carlos ‘n Charlie’s on the dawn of

30th May, 2005 with three young male, who are now suspects in the case.
Their story was: they all went to the Arashi Beach, on the far northern

part of Aruba, where the Dutch suspect, Joran van der Sloot told

officials that he and Natalee were romantically involved in the back of

the car. Further than that they allegedly just dropped her off in front

of the Holiday Inn hotel and here is when she met the two security

guards, after this they never saw her again.

June 5, Aruba

Arrest of two black former hotel security guards, 28-year-old Abraham

Jones and 30-year-old Antonius "Mickey" John

June 9, Aruba

Joran and the two brothers arrested.

   ????? where were these boys at when arrested ?????

June 10, Aruba

from newscenter.ninn.org:

Breaking News (ORANJESTAD, Aruba) - Associated press reports one of three

young men who took an Alabama high school student to the beach during her

class trip to Aruba has now admitted something bad happened to Natalee.

Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that

the man was leading police late Friday to the scene of the crime. However

Family is telling press this may not happen due to the late hour on the

Island.

Great Hope exist she may still be alive. Officials rushing to find the

location described by this person in custody has led to leaks to the

press and statements that can not be substantiated at this time.

Natalee's Family is asking all agencies to be sure before announcing the

latest news rumors. Forensic teams and law enforcement will be going to

the site where it was described to officials what is feared to be a place

where Natalee may have met her death.

Officials want to evaluate the site and scene before making further

statements out of respect to the family.

Associated Press has revised earlier reports of a confession to murder by

one of the detainees. Details are in question as media frenzy to get

reports out are not substantiated.

Officials are asking all to wait while efforts underway can determine the

truth to the statements made to investigators.

Family is gathered together on the Island to await the results of this

latest breaking news events.

Americas Amber Alert News Center text casting live has ended.

June 11, Aruba

Oranjestad, Aruba, Jun. 11 (UPI) -- Police in Aruba say one of three

suspects arrested in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has

confessed to killing her.

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice told FOX News

Natalee Holloway, who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip

when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the

location of her body.

However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a

"misinformation campaign."

The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood

sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody —

the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now

being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to

Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.

   ?????  SO the brothers car was left at Joran's house  ?????

A judge ruled Saturday that police can continue to detain three young men

— two Surinamese brothers and the Dutch teen — arrested in the

disappearance of Holloway.

A lawyer for one of the Surinamese — Satish Kalpoe, 18, whose brother,

Deepak, 21, also is in custody — said they told police they took Holloway

to Arashi Beach, on the northern part of the island, in the early hours

of May 30.

According to their police statement, they did not get out of the car,

Carlo said. Instead, Holloway and the Dutch teen, an honors student at

the Aruba International School whom she had met at the casino in her

hotel, "were in the back seat kissing."

from yahoo.com:

They also told police that they dropped Holloway at her Holiday Inn at

about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security

guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said.

The brothers told police the young woman was drunk and refused to get out

of the car, said Noraina Pietersz, who is representing Antonius "Mickey"

John, 30, one of the two former security guards. He and Abraham Jones,

28, have been detained since Sunday and have denied any connection to

Holloway.

The three young men said Holloway stumbled in the parking lot of the

hotel but refused help from her Dutch escort, Kock said.

Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway's

return. A Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift that day said

he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard's

statement to police.

From Amy Kappel's site: Two suspects: Joran van der Sloot and Abraham

Jones were/are detained in the same cellblock at the police department in

Noord. It is here that a crying suspect, Joran van der Sloot supposedly

commented to another suspect, Abraham Jones the following:
He is very preoccupied because he thinks that the other two Surinamese

suspects might be lying and blaming him for the disappearance of Natalee

Holloway.  

   ?????  start of the unraveling of the stories  ????

His new story is that they (with they, I mean the two other suspects)

dropped him off at his home, with Natalee Holloway still in the car,

further he and Natalee exchanged e-mail address and that was the last

time he saw her.

He also added that the story that he told the officials was orchestrated

at his home, near the pool. The lawyer of suspect Abraham Jones, Chris

Lejuez has stated all this, confirming the story this morning.

from newscenter.ninn.org:

Oranjestad Aruba (Team Amber Alert News) One of three young men who took

an Alabama high school student to the beach during her class trip to

Aruba has now admitted something bad happened to Natalee.
 
Searchers have located her body with the assistance of one of the

detainees.

The body of missing 18 year old Alabama girl has been located and it was

confirmed by family members today.

A sad ending after so much hope that the missing teen would have been

found alive.

Searchers located Natalee's body and notified official to bring the

family members. Some of Natalee's Family have been briefed earlier this

morning.

Great Hope existed she may still be alive are now dashed. Officials

rushing to find the location described by this person in custody has led

to leaks to the press and statements that could not be substantiated late

Friday evening.

As a storm takes over the gulf and surrounding seas both nature and the

country shed tears for Natalee and her family

Please pray for the community now in grief over this tragedy.

   **** report of body found, posted on amberalert.com ****

June 12, Aruba

There were various conflicting reports over the weekend — most of which

were retracted — including one about a semi-confession from one of the

three last seen with Holloway and another about a possible blood sample

taken from the car she apparently rode around in with them the night she

vanished.

The substance tested has turned out not to be blood, FOX News has

learned.

Trapenberg blamed the back-and-forth over the weekend on "bad reporting"

and advised the media to only print news coming directly from the chief

of police or the prosecutor. And he praised his country for putting a

missing-person case at the top of its priority list.

   ???? story change - substance "not blood in car", no "confession"

?????

   ???? "something bad happened"  ????

June 13, Aruba

The three young men have reportedly changed their stories since being

moved to separate jail cells, Chris Lejuez, the lawyer for one of two

other men being held in the case, told FOX News.

   ???? first evidence of split of stories told by boys ?????

Jorans story:  One of the trio detained since June 9, the Dutch son of a

judicial official, is now saying that his two Surinamese friends — who

are brothers — dropped him off at his house after he exchanged e-mail

addresses with Holloway and said goodnight, Lejuez said.

brothers story:  The brothers have also changed their story, now saying

they left their friend with Holloway at the beach that night, FOX has

learned.

"They know these boys have been lying," Jones' attorney Lejuez told FOX

News on Monday, saying his client is in a cell next to Van Der Sloot's

and overheard the boy giving the new explanation. "They should not keep

our clients any longer and yet they do."  "That story was a lie," she

said, adding that she thinks the former guards are innocent. Attorneys

for Jones and John said Monday they were seeking a court order to free

them.

   ???? does this mean that Jones conversation with on of the

brothers can be confirmed by his lawyer ?????

Holloway Twitty also said Monday she believes the three young men last

seen with her daughter know much more than they are letting on about what

happened the night her 18-year-old daughter vanished on the island two

weeks ago.

"All three of those boys know what happened to her," Holloway Twitty said

in an interview with The Associated Press in her room at the Holiday Inn,

the same hotel where her daughter was staying before she disappeared

early May 30. "They all know what they did with her that night."

Holloway Twitty said she met the three young men within 12 hours of

Natalee’s disappearance and she said it surprised her that it took

authorities more than a week to detain them.

June 13, Aruba

June 14, Aruba
 
Two suspects released -  the two guards.
 
The first two suspects detained in the case of missing Natalee Holloway

was released yesterday. It was all smiles for the friends and family of

Abraham Jones and Mickey John last night when finally their long awaited

release came about.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- Nearly three dozen police officers launched a

new search Tuesday along a beach near a Marriott Hotel for Natalee

Holloway after a former security guard alleged that one of three youths

seen with the missing teenager had lied to police.

Antonius "Mickey" John said he was detained in a cell adjacent to one of

the young men, 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe, and that the two spent time

talking.

John, 30, said Kalpoe told him that he and his 18-year-old brother,

Satish, and their 17-year-old Dutch friend never went back to the Holiday

Inn the morning of May 30, the day Holloway disappeared on this Dutch

Caribbean island during a student trip.

Instead, Kalpoe said they dropped the Dutch youth and Holloway off near

the Marriott, located just north of the Holiday Inn, on the same beach,

John said.

   **** search of beach following guards release/statement ****

Holloway Twitty said if she did not see results soon, she might start to

believe authorities were trying to protect the young men, who told police

they took Holloway to a beach after an evening of dancing and drinking,

hours before she disappeared.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has said no one is above the law on the

Dutch Caribbean island governed by a local parliament. The Netherlands

Antilles is responsible for foreign and defense affairs.

June 15, Aruba
 
House Search at Van Der Sloot residence:
 
A house search warrant has been issued for one of the suspects, Joran van

der Sloot. It was visible that the officials went in action early this

afternoon and until now they have confiscated the parent's two cars.

On Wednesday, two investigators from the Netherlands and Aruban police

spent four hours inside the house of judicial official Paul van der

Sloot, whose son, Joran, was detained a week ago.
 
Officers carried two white plastic garbage bags filled with unidentified

items from the one-story, yellow-beige house, which includes an attached

apartment where the young man lives. Authorities also towed away a blue

SUV and a red Jeep.

Police also declined to discuss the case. "We are just looking for

evidence at the house but have nothing yet," police spokesman Edwin

Comemencia said during the search.
 
Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said investigators were making

progress. "They're getting pieces that they need to solve this puzzle,

put it together," he told CNBC. "It is a question of national priority

for us."

June 16, Aruba
 
Police investigating Natalee Holloway's disappearance made a helicopter

survey of this Dutch Caribbean island before dawn Thursday after seizing

cars and other items at the home of a judicial official whose son was

with the Alabama teen the night she vanished.

A judge was expected to rule later Thursday (june 16) on a motion from

the official to see his 17-year-old son, who is being held along with two

friends from Suriname. The judge also was to rule on a request by lawyers

for the two Surinamese to see any evidence against their clients.

Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said investigators were making

progress.  "They're getting pieces that they need to solve this puzzle,

put it together," he told CNBC. "It is a question of national priority

for us."


rumors to be substantiated from scared monkeys discussion site:

questions...

the 6:30 am phone call the morning of the 1st of june....

1. who made it? I DON'T THINK WE KNOW FOR SURE
2. where was it made from? FROM THE SANTA LUCIA AREA
3. where was it made to? FROM ONE OF THE 3 SUSPECT TO ANOTHER
4. Joran changing story to match latest story of brothers that he was

dropped off at beach near Marriott...
5. Was Natalee given a "date rape drug"?
6. Did Joran have a rape tape made of a gangbang when he was 14?
7. Joran said that its true he stayed w/ NH at the fishermans huts to

swim, and NH went to HI and he walked home after that
8. Natalee ran away while visiting Costa Rica 4 years ago while living in

Clinton Alabama
9. Natalee kidnapped for a sex slave ring from Venezuela with help of

Joran and the brothers
10. Joran attended an anger management class after shoving one of his

classmates at the Aruban International School through a window last year.
11. Satish also had anger management problem.
12. Joran was/is a drug dealer
13. Panties found at Marriot search site belonged to Natalee
14. Joran met with brothers on the 31st of May during school hours with

the brothers in the woods behind the school.

what we do know:
1.  area of Juron's house (Montana/Noord) to the Holiday Inn (Palm Beach)

is 6.5 Kilometers, which is about 4 miles. That's driving, so by foot it

might be even a more direct route (i.e., 2 miles).


What we need to know:
1.  were any pics taken of him at school the next day (May 30)?
if so:  what was he wearing?  were there any visible scratches on him?
2.  were any pics taken of him the night before?  if so:  what was he

wearing?  were there any visible scratches on him?
3.  how does joran normally get to school?
4.  Did joran in fact arrive at 7:30 am - and is this the normal start

time?

map information needed:  
a good, detailed map....one that would highlight the general area of:

1. carlos and charlies
2. the hilton
3. the marriot
4. various known sites searched
5. his international school
6. the lighthouse
7. the montanja neighborhood

also.....any roads closed, such as for construction, washed out due to

recent storms etc.....

we could use the mileage chart on a map to come up with drive times

between places unless you know the times it takes to drive them at normal

drive speeds....


To use the aruba map and find above places:

Ok the link will get you a map and ill excplain:
1. carlos and charlies- Where you see ORANJESTAD, well against the coast

their is where C&C is, becuase less than a block from C&C is where the

Cruise ships dock.

2. the hilton -Ok where you see HADICURARI written that is on the coast i

dont know why they typedit in the middle...anyways thats wehre HI is....

3. the marriot - its like 4 blocks from the HI

4. various known sites searched -Malmok (marriott is the last building

before entering malmok),Arashi, California Lighthouse,Druif, Colorado

POint, Boca Grandi, Coastal Refinery Area(its VALERO now)

5. his international school - its in the yard of the Valero (Coastal)

Refinery , literaly you sit in clas and your basicaly int he parking lot

of the refinery.

6. the lighthouse - it shows California Logh house

7. the montanja neighborhood- where you see BUBALI well montana is

basically their neighborhood

Drive distances:

The only places that are closed are the marriott areas where they are

cosntruction, the other places where there is construction is on the side

of the roads,. but nothing big just like renewign of the sidewalk and

small things like that......the stroms here just bring lots of water but

they only happened recently and no real damage done
ok C&C to HI is about 10-15min and then from HI to Lighthouse is about 2

minutes.....then from their to the marriott is like 1 min!...and from

marriott to montana is 15-20min..but again i dont know how fast they were

driving......if they drove
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« Reply #841 on: June 16, 2005, 02:28:45 PM »

Another K in Texas had a variation on my MBS, and Kelly said it well, "nobody is going to go alond with a phoney story on a possible murder, unless they also have something to hide." It may be that they were just driving, or it may be that they helped dispose of the body, or it may be blackmail from a previous crime, but most likely there is something more than just friendship involved.
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« Reply #842 on: June 16, 2005, 02:28:47 PM »

map links here

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/
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« Reply #843 on: June 16, 2005, 02:29:37 PM »

Cruise Tourism Authority in cooperation with the Aruba Ports Authority N.V. presents:

Aruba Cruise Schedule of: May 2005.

 
 
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« Reply #844 on: June 16, 2005, 02:30:18 PM »

Is Grapefield a town, or a name of an area, this keeps sticking in my head - - at the beginning, on another BB, some one posted and had a link to his own site and conclusion based on the bible code theories. (it was soon deleted right after he posted)

I had the chance to read through it, although I did not agree with his own conclusion (way out in left field for me to believe) but in the chart that was done by doing some decoding he did, he mentioned "the land of corn and wine" he referred to it as the USA, but I'm wondering if meant an area on Aruba?

If I can find the link, I will post it - - some of the stuff that I read through, even though I'm not saying any of this has merit, seems to stick in my head......one of the things I remember was Abraham justified by work. And this was prior to the release of the security guards, and if I'm not mistaken prior to names being released.

Call it kooky, I know when I first read it, that's what I called it.

But now the mentioning of Grapefield again, really has me wondering.....

and I'm not sure if this person was a "he" who posted it - it was a while back.
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« Reply #845 on: June 16, 2005, 02:31:37 PM »

Quote from: "americaninaruba"
Ok the link will get you a map and ill excplain:
1. carlos and charlies- Where you see ORANJESTAD, well against the coast their is where C&C is, becuase less than a block from C&C is where the Cruise ships dock.




Were there any ships at port that night?
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« Reply #846 on: June 16, 2005, 02:32:22 PM »

Dont be fooled by these two brothers....THEY KNOW.  LIKE I SAID NOONE WOULD GO ALONG WITH A STORY LIKE THIS WITH THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH IT WHEN FOUND TO BE LYING.  this isnt a lie like telling your friend to cover for you and to tell your mom when she calls that you are sleeping over her house and you are in fact out partyin with friends...this is a serious situation, that can really put an end to your future...no way these kids had no idea..... They hear of a missing girl, they are not goin to say oh yea lets help him....if they were innocent and not invoved..to much at stake
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« Reply #847 on: June 16, 2005, 02:32:24 PM »

ok....

gameplan

1.  take known info, condense it into a more straightforward timeline

2.  mark up map with known places involved (thank you AmericanInAruba)

3.  mark up copy of map created in #2 with various theories, examine for plausibility

4.  get answers to those questions that need to be answered...

Also, I think we might need to change our detailed search for timeline, map data to another scared monkey discussion place devoted to just this project only....

Is this acceptable to all?
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« Reply #848 on: June 16, 2005, 02:32:25 PM »

Grape Field is an area that is hills of white sand with many bushes we call "sea Grapes" it is the area of the island that the most of these trees so its called GRAPE FIELD.........i will try to get a pic
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« Reply #849 on: June 16, 2005, 02:33:07 PM »

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&q=sea+grape+&btnG=Search



these are sea grape trees
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« Reply #850 on: June 16, 2005, 02:33:35 PM »

Cruise ship schedule link:


http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/ormap.shtml
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« Reply #851 on: June 16, 2005, 02:35:12 PM »

Does anyone agree with me on that post i just sent? It just doesnt make sense that they would go along with that type of story ya kno?
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« Reply #852 on: June 16, 2005, 02:36:11 PM »

ok with this same link xcptnl gave us you can see WESTSTRAAT the "box" that top right hand corner where "PORT OF CALL MARKETPLACE " is the C&C is at the Bottom right corner
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« Reply #853 on: June 16, 2005, 02:37:48 PM »

Guys,

Just to let you know we have been quiet today as we are working on a bunch of stuff for the site (I see many suggestions throughout comments) and on some posts/news stories. Trying to get some stuff for you to maybe answer many of these questions I see from the people who may know. Alot of stuff going on.

Interesting theories I am seeing.

I believe the cover up aspect for the son on a ranking official on the island does not play. The ramifications of such would close the island. There are plenty of American's that live and PR people who relay to them "that the cover up can be worse than the crime."

No one person is greater than that economy based on tourism. There are other less reported but know drug trafficking as well in many of the Islands. I hardly doubt the Aruban authorities at this point would risk all that for this one guy or his kid. Would make no sense. Did the mess up with the first 2 suspects? Big time. However, with the eyes of the world on them ... no way.

Imagine if they let any of these guys go and this case was never solved and the Island's economy came crashing down. These 3 guys would be safer in jail than walking the streets of Aruba. Just a thought.
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« Reply #854 on: June 16, 2005, 02:38:13 PM »

This gerster guy has some very exact statements.  The way he puts it, makes everything sound as the True Story!  I just woder if it could be true, and if so, how does he know the "exact" facts?  It's almost as though he was a fly on the wall.  

I have been following this very closely and for some reason am intrigued by all of this.  I know people go missing every day but I think I heard that a girls went missing from Aruba a few years ago?  Has anyone heard about that and know if it's true?

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Okay this is really creepy I am not going to cut and paste it but just give you the link. This guy has some exact spots and locations.
Scroll to the bottom of the page 5 it is very interesting.
http://www.angelsmissing.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=1541&st=60

the guys name is gerster


The gerster guy posts twice in that thread in the link above...including detailed maps.  Just thought I'd share it with you all.

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« Reply #855 on: June 16, 2005, 02:39:24 PM »

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Dont be fooled by these two brothers....THEY KNOW.  LIKE I SAID NOONE WOULD GO ALONG WITH A STORY LIKE THIS WITH THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH IT WHEN FOUND TO BE LYING.  this isnt a lie like telling your friend to cover for you and to tell your mom when she calls that you are sleeping over her house and you are in fact out partyin with friends...this is a serious situation, that can really put an end to your future...no way these kids had no idea..... They hear of a missing girl, they are not goin to say oh yea lets help him....if they were innocent and not invoved..to much at stake


You don't need to shout at me.   These are *theories* we're exploring here.  What good does it do to shut down dialogue and ideas you don't agree with?
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« Reply #856 on: June 16, 2005, 02:40:00 PM »

Quote from: "Kelly"
Dont be fooled by these two brothers....THEY KNOW.  LIKE I SAID NOONE WOULD GO ALONG WITH A STORY LIKE THIS WITH THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH IT WHEN FOUND TO BE LYING.  this isnt a lie like telling your friend to cover for you and to tell your mom when she calls that you are sleeping over her house and you are in fact out partyin with friends...this is a serious situation, that can really put an end to your future...no way these kids had no idea..... They hear of a missing girl, they are not goin to say oh yea lets help him....if they were innocent and not invoved..to much at stake


I don't think I am "fooled" by anyone.  BUT, I do see the possibility in that scenerio.  They would not have known at the time they told that initial story they they were looking at an international nightmare.  In the first few days of this investigation there were only short news stories about an Alabama student missing in Aruba.  They have never seen this type of press there over a crime.  The possibility IS there that they DID NOT know that she wouldn't turn up and this was all a minor statement to cover a friend's butt who had been intimate with her the night before.  I can totally see them covering for him.  It was only after major press coverage that their statements came under scrutiny and the press jumped all over them.  Remember at one time everyone thought the security guards were involved.  Natalee's mom kept the pressure on these young men and after being jailed they changed their story.
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« Reply #857 on: June 16, 2005, 02:40:57 PM »

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Does anyone agree with me on that post i just sent? It just doesnt make sense that they would go along with that type of story ya kno?


I agree Kelly, they are all in on it.  The reason the Kalpio brothers are lying and don't want the body found is because if they do, they will find DNA from all three boys in NH.
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« Reply #858 on: June 16, 2005, 02:41:40 PM »

I gotta agree with Red.  I think the original info that Joran's family is rich and well connected were not true.  They appear to be a middle class family.  They certainly didn't have the connections to bring on a cover-up that would tank the island's economy.

This story breaks my heart.  The families there have kids to feed, etc.  And to think that dreadful Dee Dee is furthering this on the radio!!!

http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050616a.html
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« Reply #859 on: June 16, 2005, 02:42:38 PM »

sorry but does anyone have the link to the missing poeple in ALabama?? I cant seem to find it! TNX
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