RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 5

[pinemeadows]

I heard Joran's attorney was fired.  Does he now have another attorney?

And for those of you puzzled about how come that 17 year old hasn't cracked yet (something I wondered about all week)...it finally dawned on me in the wee hours of the morning that none of them know where she is.  That's how come they are all able to remain so calm, cool and collected.  Someone else had to have played a major role in this.  

Just think - it sounds like they were all drinking, they leave the casino at 1:30 a.m. (is that the right time?), and yet Joran and the younger of the brothers are in school the next morning???  And they did this so well, by the way, even though they were under the influence and presumably inexperienced, that the local cops, the FBI and a lot of locals searching cannot find her!!!

I think the Joran pool area needs to be searched, and every one of the cars that the other dad presumably owns.  If there's nothing there, it seems likely she was taken off the island.

[heavyheart]

When I start to lose faith in finding Natalee and need a shot of confidence, I watch her mom on Fox.

[Kat]

Dont be fooled by these two brothers....THEY KNOW.  LIKE I SAID NOONE WOULD GO ALONG WITH A STORY LIKE THIS WITH THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH IT WHEN FOUND TO BE LYING.  this isnt a lie like telling your friend to cover for you and to tell your mom when she calls that you are sleeping over her house and you are in fact out partyin with friends...this is a serious situation, that can really put an end to your future...no way these kids had no idea..... They hear of a missing girl, they are not goin to say oh yea lets help him....if they were innocent and not invoved..to much at stake

I don't think I am "fooled" by anyone.  BUT, I do see the possibility in that scenerio.  They would not have known at the time they told that initial story they they were looking at an international nightmare.  In the first few days of this investigation there were only short news stories about an Alabama student missing in Aruba.  They have never seen this type of press there over a crime.  The possibility IS there that they DID NOT know that she wouldn't turn up and this was all a minor statement to cover a friend's butt who had been intimate with her the night before.  I can totally see them covering for him.  It was only after major press coverage that their statements came under scrutiny and the press jumped all over them.  Remember at one time everyone thought the security guards were involved.  Natalee's mom kept the pressure on these young men and after being jailed they changed their story.

And what I find interesting that once they changed their story to saying they dropped Nat & Joran off, Joran changed his story and said basically the same thing.  Weren't they all separated at this point?  No chance to consult with each other, yet their new stories are the same?  Could it be that this story is the correct one?

[klaasend]

sorry but does anyone have the link to the missing poeple in ALabama?? I cant seem to find it! TNX

Missing Children:
http://www.dps.state.al.us/public/abi/system/missing/children.asp

Missing Adults:
http://www.dps.state.al.us/public/abi/system/missing/adults.asp

[Kelly]

Kat...i was not shouting at you at all, lol..how can you determine if i was yelling over computer....Not in any way was i tryin to shout or be rude..i was just typin in all caps cause i do that sometimes when tryin to make a point stand out that is all...  And i was not directing that to anyone specific..as you said..we all haev opinions...but was def not attacking you

[xcptnl]

I hope some of the links I provided help you guys out.  I have been reading the site for some time now and hope I can help you out with some links.  I came across them while doing my research for my vacation to Aruba in November (yes I am still going).   Obviously this issue caught my attention at the beginning because where it took place but now I just want closure so, in this small way, I hope the information I had will help you all.  Good Luck!

[Kat]

Kat...i was not shouting at you at all, lol..how can you determine if i was yelling over computer....Not in any way was i tryin to shout or be rude..i was just typin in all caps cause i do that sometimes when tryin to make a point stand out that is all...  And i was not directing that to anyone specific..as you said..we all haev opinions...but was def not attacking you

I have cap-a-phobia.  

 

[dragonfly]

Red, I agree.  I just don't think there is anyway that this is a big government cover-up.  I DO believe that in the initial days of the investigation the fact that Joran's father is in the justice ministry may have contributed to the fact that they were let off pretty easy and their story believed.  I think that is the only benefit he got.  Did that cause them to lose valuable evidence?  Probably.  But, as far as any big government theory of kidnapping/trafficking theory, I just don't buy it.

[Another K in Texas]

While not "high connected" cover up, I do suspect strongly that the Dad is involved.  He supposedly took this underage son with him to gamble at the casinos.

That would lead me to think they are close in the buddy sense.  He might try to cover up for son--help him hide stuff--especially if Dad is convinced it is an "accident" of some kind--even an accidental overdose.


Just a really wild thought---how clean are the casinos in the area.  I don't mean maid service--I mean mafia.

Is there any chance at all that the boy or the brothers owe money, and that muscle took the girl.  That would be big enough to terrorize them into silence.

[Brenda]

new forum just set up for those who want to check the timeline, the various stories, theories, etc....

"timeline & map data talk ONLY"

benefits:

1.  a place to discuss the timeline and maps ONLY
2.  that leaves us with here to chat, and there to check out theories...

OK?????

I need those links to maps there once more.....ok?

AmericanInAruba:  I updated the "timeline" i posted earlier with your data concerning what belongs where on a map, along with distance, road closure, construction data you have added.

[Compananzi]

What is the possibility that these 3 boys are innocent.  Frankly I look at Joran, his friends, his school, his college plans, they all look very normal to me.  Yes he is tall and tall people do get a certain pass to hotels, pubs, even casino. He looks like a tourist, but it appears he is well known, and probably gets to know many people on the island.  You know if your my buddy I ll let you in, and not give you a hard time...I think this is very common on the island.  Also he is going to college, perhaps last semester, he going to live it up a bit, before going st. Augustine or Tampa to study criminal justice or sports management.  There is no mention also what the shoveling match was about.. at CnC was it over Natalee or some disparaging remark that someone may have said?    Call it benefit of doubt, but at 17 year old and scared and being interrogated by perhaps the local police, FBI, and dutch contingency...you may get someone saying what you want.  Short from a confession everything is possible.

[Another K in Texas]

The only reason I bring up the mafia thing is that might explain a fairly significant FBI response.

[pinemeadows]

Wow Brenda!!!!  What a lot of effort you put into that post....just found it.

Just wanted to let you know we appreciate that.

[RubaRiba]

to americaninaruba,
Thank you.

Is it by chance with logistics and timeline that anything could be in that area?

I'm still trying to find the link of that site, the one that mentioned about the bible code theories - this person had alot of their own assumptions, but it also had these "chart like" passages from the bible based on decoding, and it was through out reading those charts that gives me the willies.

Never saw a bible code thing before, never bothered with it, and I do not agree with this person's thoughts, but it sure has stuck in my head.

[Brenda]

Wow Brenda!!!!  What a lot of effort you put into that post....just found it.

Just wanted to let you know we appreciate that.

Thanks.    

[Another K in Texas]

Excellent Brenda,  Good to have the reference material so to speak at one place.

[DT]

OK, here's my scenario.  Joran, the brothers and Nat leave the club.  Was she drugged or merely intoxicated?  No idea.  Nat & Joran are in the back.  The brothers drop Nat & Joran off (don't know where).  They leave.  Some time later, they get a call from Joran to pick him up.  They do and he's freaked.  Makes up a story about Nat running off or something.  They take him home.

Word is out that Nat is missing.  Joran tells the brothers that the story is they dropped Nat at the hotel.  He's freaking out and begs the brothers to go along with this story.  They don't really know what happened, but Joran is their friend so they agree.  Maybe they suspect there's more to the story, maybe not.  Don't know.

So they're arrested, only Joran knows what really happened that night and he's not talking.  The other 2 don't "crack" because they really don't have anything concrete.

There you have it.  Remember you read it here first.  

It's been said before, and personally - but unfortunately - I think this is the most likely scenario.  

Here's the evidence for this theory as I see it:

1.  The intense focus specifically on Joran by the authorities.
2.  That Joran changed his story twice and is now agreeing with the the brothers.
3.  Deepak's statement that he though Holloway would turn up later.
4.  Deepak and Satish's friend's statement that he thinks they are covering for Joran.

Now, obviously, this isn't conclusive by any means, but it makes me think that this is the most likely theory at this point.

[chloe2]

FYI -- Foxnews.com has an eight minute video of Greta interviewing Natalee's mom.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159775,00.html

[cjm]

this is a rhetorical question, but HOW can guilt not CONSUME one of these three people to where they would just TELL the authorities what HAPPENED?!?!?!?  i mean, how can that not feel HORRIBLE for what they are putting her family through???  that, to me, is just inconceivable!!!  i'd be afraid of burning in HELL.

It's possible that if the brothers dropped them off and then went home, that they really have nothing to tell the investigators.  They wouldn't know what actually happened if Joran didn't tell them.  That would make Joran the only one with concrete knowlege of what happened and where she is.

Right!!

[nisxan]

I've been thinking to myself the past couple of days, "What if none of the 3 guys knows what exactly happened to her?"

I mean, what if the last any of them saw her, she was alive but possibly in a dangerous situation – possibly with someone that these guys would be afraid of. Or perhaps they were all under the influence of some substance, and they don't exactly remember what happened....

That would explain why they haven't cracked under pressure.