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Brenda
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« on: June 16, 2005, 02:40:30 PM »

Ok folks....for those who want to work on a timeline, match the timeline to a map....this is for you.

The basic idea is this:  

1. Take a timeline (will be in next post), each of us copy/paste this timeline to a word document.

2.  Condense the timeline to a more useful format containing "just the facts"

3.  Mark up a set of common maps.

4.  Check plausibility of various "stories" or "theories"

No bad talk about Arubans or Tourists will be appreciated, the idea here is to examine the actual disappearance, the suspects various "stories" and try to see if any of them are in fact plausible.
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« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2005, 02:43:05 PM »

sources used for this timeline include:
http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2005/06/08/in_depth_us/timeline700368.shtml
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/06/details_of_the_.html
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050611-065006-6271r.htm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159252,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159327,00.html
http://spaces.msn.com/members/amykappel/
http://ap.washingtontimes.com/dynamic/stories/A/ARUBA_MISSING_TEEN?SITE=DCTMS&SECTION=HOME
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8169252
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050611/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=AnfoKrLCC1SsKcDukt_a0Yes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050611/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=AnfoKrLCC1SsKcDukt_a0Yes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=3461896&nav=23Kuavap
http://newscenter.ninn.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=11173
http://newscenter.ninn.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=11160
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050616/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=AivJwyc8YVcVC1NuU25HAEus0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2MTQ3MTFjBHNlYwN0cw--


May 27

Holloway's mother and stepfather told The Birmingham News in Alabama that they discovered the Dutch boy's connection to their daughter within 24 hours of her disappearance by talking to other students on the trip. They then found surveillance videotapes showing him playing poker with other Mountain Brook teens in their hotel casino two days before she vanished.

*** this was reported on June 11 @ yahoo.com

May 29 Aruba

The 18-year-old vanished May 29 after leaving an Oranjestad nightclub.
Police said Van Der Sloot first met Holloway the day she disappeared at
the casino in the Holiday Inn where she was staying with about 40
classmates who were celebrating high school graduation.


May 30 2:00 am Aruba time

CNN said the three suspects told police they went with Holloway to a
beach after leaving the bar before taking her back to her hotel at about

2 a.m.

The men claimed they visited a lighthouse, and according to police
statements, the Kalpoe brothers described her as stumbling on the way
into the hotel, possibly as a result of alcohol.



May 30  10:30 am Aruba time
 
seniors were expected to be in the lobby of the Holiday Inn by 10:30 on
Monday morning to assemble for the journey home. One young blond face of a reportedly mostly shy girl named Natalee Holloway never did join the gathering there.

It was decided that the students and 6 of the 7 chaperons for the trip
would go on to the airport so as to not miss their flight back home.

May 30 11:30 am  Aruba time

Local police were first notified of the situation at approximately 11:30
AM, one hour after the seniors scheduled departure from the hotel lobby.  
A member of the beach patrol was dispatched to take a report and collect
a copy of her passport for identification purposes.


May 30 4:30 pm CST

The parents and several high profile Birmingham business men left
Birmingham around 4:30 CST on a private jet owned by one of the men, G. Ruffner Page, Jr., President of McWane Inc. - one of Alabama's s largest private companies.  The private plane is owned by the company.  Natalee's parents placed several calls regarding the troubling developments prior to their departure for Aruba.

May 30 5:30 pm CST

At approximately 5:00 CST a member of the US DEA contacted the remaining chaperone.  The DEA representative was on Aruba on another matter and the two individuals agreed to meet that evening back at the Holiday Inn.

Attempting to provide as much helpful information as possible the
chaperone was informed that the boy with whom Natalee left Carlos and
Charlies was somewhat known to them for having had played poker with
several of their male classmates during the course of the trip. They
identified the local boy only as Joran.

The chaperone later turned up at the casino asking questions about a boy
named Joran.  A poker room manager consulted existing lists and reports
suggest that it was then that the boy in question was first identified as
having a last initial of "V." A casino employee suggested asking
questions of other hotel employees and taxi drivers, at least one of whom
first identified the boy as being Joran Van der Sloot, son of Anita and
Paulus Van der Sloot and an honor roll student at the International
School who has been known to frequent the casinos, sometimes in the
company of his Father.

May 30 8:00 pm  Aruba time

The previously mentioned DEA representative arrived at the hotel at
approximately 8 PM and conversed with the chaperone

May 30 9:00 pm  Aruba time

local police receiving a call from the chaperone at approximately 9PM for
an update on the Natalee Holloway situation. It has been reported to me
that at that time no official report had been filed  and suggested that
the member of the Aruban beach patrol failed to submit any information on the case. The DEA representative provided the chaperone with contact
information and left.

May 30 10:00 pm  Aruba time

The parents of Natalee Holloway were reported to have arrived at the
hotel at approximately 10 PM

May 30/31 12:00 midnight Aruba time

Several of the Alabama businessmen and the chaperone proceeded to Carlos and Charlies to see if they might gather additional information. Joran Van der Sloot appears to be a well known figure at the casino and an employee directed the group to a taxi driver said to be very
knowledgeable as to comings and goings on the island. It was now
approximately midnight.

May 31 12:30 am Aruba time

The taxi driver provided more detailed information about Joran and the
group decided to approach the police with the information they had
gathered.  After discussing the information with the local police, the
group, accompanied by two officers headed to the Van der Sloot home.
Joran was not home and his father told the group that he could be found
playing poker at one of the casinos in the Palm Beach area of Aruba.  The
group, including the father, headed off to locate the boy.  Upon arriving
at the casino, the police, security guards, along with Natalee's parents
are said to have "swarmed" onto the floor and at least one report states
the police had their weapons drawn.

May 31 - unknown ?Confused? am Aruba time

The young Van der Sloot was not located in the casino. Soon thereafter,
Joran Van der Sloot placed a call to his Father's cell phone and informed
him that he was at home.

   ????? is THIS THE 6:30 am mystery phone call  ?????  did Joran    

make the 6:30 am phone call from south end of island to papa VDS?


May 31 - unknown ?Confused? am Aruba time

The entire group, including the police, headed back to the Van der Sloot
home.  They arrived to find Joran Van der Sloot and Satish Kalpoe, the
younger of two brothers recently detained in the matter, leaning casually
against what has been reported to be the grey car now impounded in the
investigation.

The police set about questioning the two boys. They are said to have
claimed at that time that the now missing Natalee Holloway did indeed
leave Carlos And Charlies with them and the entire group went to the
lighthouse area together prior to dropping Natalee back at her hotel. The
boys also made additional claims consistent with other earlier reports

They also told police that they dropped Holloway at her Holiday Inn at
about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security
guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said.


   ????? STORY #1 ?????

Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway's
return. A Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift that day said
he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard's
statement to police.


With Natalee's Mother said to have remained in the car, possibly out of
the emotion involved in meeting two of the now three boys alleged to have been the last to see her daughter alive, others in the group including
the Stepfather were present as the questioning continued for
approximately an hour.

Certain aspects of the discussion, some said to have involved Joran Van
der Sloot's Father, led to the discussion becoming heated and police
officers requested that the group disperse. More than one individual
among the group of Americans present at the Joran home that night report a belief that the boys were lying and did indeed do something to harm Natalee Holloway.

from Amy Kappel's site:

First story:

Natalee Holloway, was last seen in Carlos ‘n Charlie’s on the dawn of
30th May, 2005 with three young male, who are now suspects in the case.
Their story was: they all went to the Arashi Beach, on the far northern
part of Aruba, where the Dutch suspect, Joran van der Sloot told
officials that he and Natalee were romantically involved in the back of
the car. Further than that they allegedly just dropped her off in front
of the Holiday Inn hotel and here is when she met the two security
guards, after this they never saw her again.


June 4, Aruba

Police say three men - each legal Aruban residents between the ages of 18 and 25 - have emerged as "the most important lead." The men claim they dropped Holloway off at her hotel at about 2 a.m. Hotel employees, however, say security cameras did not record her return.

June 5, Aruba

Arrest of two black former hotel security guards, 28-year-old Abraham
Jones and 30-year-old Antonius "Mickey" John

Two men are arrested in a pre-dawn raid. The suspects worked as security guards at a hotel near Holloway's until a day before her disappearance, sources said. Their attorney says they are being investigated for murder and kidnapping, and denies any link between his clients and Holloway.

June 6, Aruba

An expanded search for Holloway begins, with Aruba's government allowing 4,000 civil servants off work early to aid in the hunt. About 700 volunteers join police, soldiers and FBI agents in an unprecedented search, but police say nothing belonging to the teen is recovered.

June 8, Aruba

A judge finds sufficient evidence to hold suspects Nick John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, on suspicion of murder and kidnapping in the Holloway case, according to defense attorneys. Local law allows for the suspects to be held for a total of 116 days without being formally charged.


June 9, Aruba

Joran and the two brothers arrested.

   ????? where were these boys at when arrested ?????

Aruban police arrest the three men who said they gave Holloway a ride on the night she disappeared. The attorney general's office refuses to identify the three or say whether they have ties to the two other men detained in connection with the case.


June 10, Aruba

from newscenter.ninn.org:

Breaking News (ORANJESTAD, Aruba) - Associated press reports one of three young men who took an Alabama high school student to the beach during her class trip to Aruba has now admitted something bad happened to Natalee.

Deputy Police Commissioner Gerold Dompig told The Associated Press that the man was leading police late Friday to the scene of the crime. However Family is telling press this may not happen due to the late hour on the Island.

Great Hope exist she may still be alive. Officials rushing to find the
location described by this person in custody has led to leaks to the
press and statements that can not be substantiated at this time.

Natalee's Family is asking all agencies to be sure before announcing the
latest news rumors. Forensic teams and law enforcement will be going to
the site where it was described to officials what is feared to be a place
where Natalee may have met her death.

Officials want to evaluate the site and scene before making further
statements out of respect to the family. Associated Press has revised earlier reports of a confession to murder by one of the detainees. Details are in question as media frenzy to get reports out are not substantiated.

Officials are asking all to wait while efforts underway can determine the
truth to the statements made to investigators. Family is gathered together on the Island to await the results of this latest breaking news events.

Americas Amber Alert News Center text casting live has ended.

Holloway's family rushes to a lighthouse after a police official tells the media that one of the three young men in custody admitted "something bad happened" and was leading police to the scene. But prosecutors refuse to confirm or deny the information, which yields no new developments.


June 11, Aruba

Oranjestad, Aruba, Jun. 11 (UPI) -- Police in Aruba say one of three
suspects arrested in the disappearance of an Alabama teenager has
confessed to killing her.

David Cruz, a spokesman for the Aruban Minister of Justice told FOX News Natalee Holloway, who was on vacation with friends with a graduation trip when she disappeared, was confirmed dead and that authorities knew the location of her body.

However, Cruz later retracted the statement, saying he was a victim of a
"misinformation campaign."

The "Diario," a local daily newspaper, is reporting that a human blood
sample found in a car at the residence of one of the teens in custody —
the 17-year-old son of a high-ranking island judicuary official — is now
being sent to the U.S. and will be tested for a possible match to
Natalee, whose mother gave a blood sample to investigators.

   ?????  SO the brothers car was left at Joran's house  ?????

A judge ruled Saturday that police can continue to detain three young men — two Surinamese brothers and the Dutch teen — arrested in the
disappearance of Holloway.

A lawyer for one of the Surinamese — Satish Kalpoe, 18, whose brother,
Deepak, 21, also is in custody — said they told police they took Holloway
to Arashi Beach, on the northern part of the island, in the early hours
of May 30.

According to their police statement, they did not get out of the car,
Carlo said. Instead, Holloway and the Dutch teen, an honors student at
the Aruba International School whom she had met at the casino in her
hotel, "were in the back seat kissing."

from yahoo.com:

They also told police that they dropped Holloway at her Holiday Inn at
about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security
guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said.

The brothers told police the young woman was drunk and refused to get out of the car, said Noraina Pietersz, who is representing Antonius "Mickey" John, 30, one of the two former security guards. He and Abraham Jones, 28, have been detained since Sunday and have denied any connection to Holloway.

The three young men said Holloway stumbled in the parking lot of the
hotel but refused help from her Dutch escort, Kock said.
Holiday Inn employees say security cameras did not record Holloway's
return. A Holiday Inn guard who worked the overnight shift that day said
he did not see her, said Pietersz, who said she reviewed the guard's
statement to police.

From Amy Kappel's site: Two suspects: Joran van der Sloot and Abraham
Jones were/are detained in the same cellblock at the police department in
Noord. It is here that a crying suspect, Joran van der Sloot supposedly
commented to another suspect, Abraham Jones the following:
He is very preoccupied because he thinks that the other two Surinamese
suspects might be lying and blaming him for the disappearance of Natalee
Holloway.  

   ?????  start of the unraveling of the stories  ????

His new story is that they (with they, I mean the two other suspects)
dropped him off at his home, with Natalee Holloway still in the car,
further he and Natalee exchanged e-mail address and that was the last
time he saw her.

He also added that the story that he told the officials was orchestrated
at his home, near the pool. The lawyer of suspect Abraham Jones, Chris
Lejuez has stated all this, confirming the story this morning.

from newscenter.ninn.org:

Oranjestad Aruba (Team Amber Alert News) One of three young men who took an Alabama high school student to the beach during her class trip to
Aruba has now admitted something bad happened to Natalee.
 
Searchers have located her body with the assistance of one of the
detainees. The body of missing 18 year old Alabama girl has been located and it was confirmed by family members today.

A sad ending after so much hope that the missing teen would have been
found alive. Searchers located Natalee's body and notified official to bring the family members. Some of Natalee's Family have been briefed earlier this morning.

Great Hope existed she may still be alive are now dashed. Officials
rushing to find the location described by this person in custody has led
to leaks to the press and statements that could not be substantiated late
Friday evening.

As a storm takes over the gulf and surrounding seas both nature and the
country shed tears for Natalee and her family
Please pray for the community now in grief over this tragedy.

   **** report of body found, posted on amberalert.com ****

June 12, Aruba

There were various conflicting reports over the weekend — most of which
were retracted — including one about a semi-confession from one of the
three last seen with Holloway and another about a possible blood sample
taken from the car she apparently rode around in with them the night she
vanished.

The substance tested has turned out not to be blood, FOX News has
learned. Trapenberg blamed the back-and-forth over the weekend on "bad reporting" and advised the media to only print news coming directly from the chief of police or the prosecutor. And he praised his country for putting a missing-person case at the top of its priority list.

   ???? story change - substance "not blood in car", no "confession"

?????

   ???? "something bad happened"  ????

June 13, Aruba

The three young men have reportedly changed their stories since being
moved to separate jail cells, Chris Lejuez, the lawyer for one of two
other men being held in the case, told FOX News.

   ???? first evidence of split of stories told by boys ?????

Jorans story:  One of the trio detained since June 9, the Dutch son of a
judicial official, is now saying that his two Surinamese friends — who
are brothers — dropped him off at his house after he exchanged e-mail
addresses with Holloway and said goodnight, Lejuez said.

brothers story:  The brothers have also changed their story, now saying
they left their friend with Holloway at the beach that night, FOX has
learned.

"They know these boys have been lying," Jones' attorney Lejuez told FOX
News on Monday, saying his client is in a cell next to Van Der Sloot's
and overheard the boy giving the new explanation. "They should not keep
our clients any longer and yet they do."  "That story was a lie," she
said, adding that she thinks the former guards are innocent. Attorneys
for Jones and John said Monday they were seeking a court order to free
them.

   ???? does this mean that Jones conversation with on of the

brothers can be confirmed by his lawyer ?????

Holloway Twitty also said Monday she believes the three young men last
seen with her daughter know much more than they are letting on about what happened the night her 18-year-old daughter vanished on the island two weeks ago.

"All three of those boys know what happened to her," Holloway Twitty said in an interview with The Associated Press in her room at the Holiday Inn, the same hotel where her daughter was staying before she disappeared early May 30. "They all know what they did with her that night."

Holloway Twitty said she met the three young men within 12 hours of
Natalee’s disappearance and she said it surprised her that it took
authorities more than a week to detain them.

June 13, Aruba

The two ex-security guards who were detained but never charged in the case are freed. The focus on the three young men in custody intensifies, amid suggestions from Holloway's mother that they might be being protected. One of the three is the son of a high-ranking judicial official.


June 14, Aruba
 
Two suspects released -  the two guards. The first two suspects detained in the case of missing Natalee Holloway was released yesterday. It was all smiles for the friends and family of Abraham Jones and Mickey John last night when finally their long awaited release came about.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- Nearly three dozen police officers launched a
new search Tuesday along a beach near a Marriott Hotel for Natalee
Holloway after a former security guard alleged that one of three youths
seen with the missing teenager had lied to police.

Antonius "Mickey" John said he was detained in a cell adjacent to one of
the young men, 21-year-old Deepak Kalpoe, and that the two spent time
talking.

John, 30, said Kalpoe told him that he and his 18-year-old brother,
Satish, and their 17-year-old Dutch friend never went back to the Holiday
Inn the morning of May 30, the day Holloway disappeared on this Dutch
Caribbean island during a student trip.

Instead, Kalpoe said they dropped the Dutch youth and Holloway off near
the Marriott, located just north of the Holiday Inn, on the same beach,
John said.

   **** search of beach following guards release/statement ****

Holloway Twitty said if she did not see results soon, she might start to
believe authorities were trying to protect the young men, who told police
they took Holloway to a beach after an evening of dancing and drinking,
hours before she disappeared.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has said no one is above the law on the
Dutch Caribbean island governed by a local parliament. The Netherlands
Antilles is responsible for foreign and defense affairs.

June 15, Aruba
 
House Search at Van Der Sloot residence:
 
A house search warrant has been issued for one of the suspects, Joran van der Sloot. It was visible that the officials went in action early this
afternoon and until now they have confiscated the parent's two cars.

On Wednesday, two investigators from the Netherlands and Aruban police
spent four hours inside the house of judicial official Paul van der Sloot, whose son, Joran, was detained a week ago.
 
Officers carried two white plastic garbage bags filled with unidentified
items from the one-story, yellow-beige house, which includes an attached
apartment where the young man lives. Authorities also towed away a blue
SUV and a red Jeep.

Police also declined to discuss the case. "We are just looking for
evidence at the house but have nothing yet," police spokesman Edwin
Comemencia said during the search.
 
Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said investigators were making progress. "They're getting pieces that they need to solve this puzzle, put it together," he told CNBC. "It is a question of national priority
for us."

June 16, Aruba
 
Police investigating Natalee Holloway's disappearance made a helicopter
survey of this Dutch Caribbean island before dawn Thursday after seizing
cars and other items at the home of a judicial official whose son was
with the Alabama teen the night she vanished.

A judge was expected to rule later Thursday (june 16) on a motion from
the official to see his 17-year-old son, who is being held along with two
friends from Suriname. The judge also was to rule on a request by lawyers for the two Surinamese to see any evidence against their clients.

Government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg said investigators were making progress.  "They're getting pieces that they need to solve this puzzle, put it together," he told CNBC. "It is a question of national priority
for us."


rumors to be substantiated from scared monkeys discussion site:

questions...

the 6:30 am phone call the morning of the 1st of june....

1. who made it? I DON'T THINK WE KNOW FOR SURE
2. where was it made from? FROM THE SANTA LUCIA AREA
3. where was it made to? FROM ONE OF THE 3 SUSPECT TO ANOTHER
4. Joran changing story to match latest story of brothers that he was

dropped off at beach near Marriott...
5. Was Natalee given a "date rape drug"?
6. Did Joran have a rape tape made of a gangbang when he was 14?
7. Joran said that its true he stayed w/ NH at the fishermans huts to

swim, and NH went to HI and he walked home after that
8. Natalee ran away while visiting Costa Rica 4 years ago while living in
Clinton Alabama

***** item #8 update: it has been confirmed that Natalee has NEVER run away, supposedly friends of Joran has been posting this on the internet sites in an effort to discredit Natalee's reputation.  I have been informed by students from Mountain Brook that her mother - Mrs Holloway Twitty - that she has publicly addressed this as a "false rumor" on TV.  Also - no internet sites have been found that can substantiate this information.

9. Natalee kidnapped for a sex slave ring from Venezuela with help of
Joran and the brothers

10. Joran attended an anger management class after shoving one of his
classmates at the Aruban International School through a window last year.

11. Satish also had anger management problem.

12. Joran was/is a drug dealer

13. Panties found at Marriot search site belonged to Natalee

14. Joran met with brothers on the 31st of May during school hours with
the brothers in the woods behind the school.

15.  Joran's brother did NOT make it to school on the 31st of May....if this was the case - why not?  exactly how close are the two brothers?  would this younger brother hide a body for Joran?

what we do know:

1.  area of Juron's house (Montana/Noord) to the Holiday Inn (Palm Beach) is 6.5 Kilometers, which is about 4 miles. That's driving, so by foot it might be even a more direct route (i.e., 2 miles).


What we need to know:

1.  were any pics taken of him at school the next day (May 30)?
if so:  what was he wearing?  were there any visible scratches on him?
2.  were any pics taken of him the night before?  if so:  what was he

wearing?  were there any visible scratches on him?
3.  how does joran normally get to school?
4.  Did joran in fact arrive at 7:30 am - and is this the normal start
time?

map information needed:  
a good, detailed map....one that would highlight the general area of:

1. carlos and charlies
2. the hilton
3. the marriot
4. various known sites searched
5. his international school
6. the lighthouse
7. the montanja neighborhood

also.....any roads closed, such as for construction, washed out due to

recent storms etc.....

we could use the mileage chart on a map to come up with drive times

between places unless you know the times it takes to drive them at normal

drive speeds....


To use the aruba map and find above places:

Ok the link will get you a map and ill excplain:
1. carlos and charlies- Where you see ORANJESTAD, well against the coast

their is where C&C is, becuase less than a block from C&C is where the

Cruise ships dock.

2. the hilton -Ok where you see HADICURARI written that is on the coast i

dont know why they typedit in the middle...anyways thats wehre HI is....

3. the marriot - its like 4 blocks from the HI

4. various known sites searched -Malmok (marriott is the last building

before entering malmok),Arashi, California Lighthouse,Druif, Colorado

POint, Boca Grandi, Coastal Refinery Area(its VALERO now)

5. his international school - its in the yard of the Valero (Coastal)

Refinery , literaly you sit in clas and your basicaly int he parking lot

of the refinery.

6. the lighthouse - it shows California Logh house

7. the montanja neighborhood- where you see BUBALI well montana is

basically their neighborhood

8.  Grape Field is an area that is hills of white sand with many bushes

we call "sea Grapes" it is the area of the island that the most of these

trees so its called GRAPE FIELD.........i will try to get a pic

Drive distances:

The only places that are closed are the marriott areas where they are

cosntruction, the other places where there is construction is on the side

of the roads,. but nothing big just like renewign of the sidewalk and

small things like that......the stroms here just bring lots of water but

they only happened recently and no real damage done
ok C&C to HI is about 10-15min and then from HI to Lighthouse is about 2

minutes.....then from their to the marriott is like 1 min!...and from

marriott to montana is 15-20min..but again i dont know how fast they were

driving......if they drove
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« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2005, 02:54:17 PM »

Here are the map links I had posted prior:

Island map:

http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/armap.shtml

Orjansted map:

http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/ormap.shtml

San Nicholas map:

http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/snmap.shtml


Here is cruise ship schedule:

http://www.visitaruba.com/travel/toaruba/cruises/#schedule2005
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« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2005, 04:53:36 PM »

May   27   

Surveillance videotapes showing Joran playing poker with unknown Mountain Brook teens                     
which casino?  *** I have unsubstantiated info that this may have been at the Holiday Inn Hotel

which teens?  Joran and which Mountain Brook teens?  Did this include Natalee?
                  
   28   10:45 pm

Joran Van Der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe seen here in photos printed in an Aruban newspaper showed up [at casino at Holiday Inn] about 10:45 according to statements, the Kalpoes made to investigators and seen by the defense attorney for another man who has been cleared of Natalee Holloway's disappearance                              
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Mountain Brook teens leaves Carlos and Charlies - According to police it was around 1:00 a.m., closing time early Monday, when Natalee Holloway's friends watched her walk out of the bar and into a silver gray car with Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

                        
      2:00:00 AM   

Joran & Bro's claim Natalee dropped off at Holliday Inn, with stop inbetween at "Lighthouse"   

                     
      10:30:00 AM   

seniors were expected to be in the lobby of the Holiday Inn   

Natalee found missing, 6/7 chaperones leave, one stays behind for in case Natalee shows up   

                     
      11:30:00 AM   

Local police were first notified                        
A member of the beach patrol was dispatched to take a report and collect
a copy of her passport for identification purposes.   

                     
      4:30:00 PM   

The parents and several high profile Birmingham business men left Birmingham         


               
      5:30:00 PM   

US DEA contacted the remaining chaperone                        
?  chaperone told by casino employee about Joran seen hanging around, along w/ his family data                     

   
      8:00:00 PM   

DEA agent arrives at hotel to meet w/ chaperone for update                        


      9:00:00 PM   

chaperone calls police for update; discovers no police report or action at all has occurred         

               
      10:00:00 PM   

Natalee's parents arrive at the Holiday Inn   

                     
May 31   

                                  12:00:00 AM   (midnight)

Alabama businessmen arrive at Carlos and Charlies to seek info    

Casino tells them to inquire w/ knowledgeable taxi driver for additional info                        
****  who is this taxi driver?  What did he know?   

**** if you know anything - please post ****
                     
      12:30:00 AM   

taxi driver tells businessmen about Joran, police contacted again   

                               unknown am

  group meets w/ police, unknown location - presumably at Carlo's and Charlies                  

      
                               unknown am

group heads to Joran's house                  

      
                               unknown am

group arrives at Joran's house                        
Joran was not home and his father told the group that he could be found playing poker at one of the casinos in the Palm Beach area of Aruba.                  
**** which Palm Beach casino?   Did casino show Joran on tape as being there?                        


                                unknown am

 group (from alabama, police, & Joran's father) go to Palm Beach casino                        
                                 06:30 am


about the 6:30 am phone call the morning of the 1st of june....

1. who made it? I DON'T THINK WE KNOW FOR SURE
2. where was it made from? FROM THE SANTA LUCIA AREA
3. where was it made to? FROM ONE OF THE 3 SUSPECT TO ANOTHER


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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2005, 04:54:48 PM »

I have to run now....

can someone take up where I left off on last post and finish off the "condensed" time line?
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« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2005, 05:08:41 PM »

Outstanding work, Brenda. I'll talk to you later.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2005, 10:27:21 PM »

info to be gleaned for timeline data:  see top section regarding when joran/natalee met...etc, etc..

Quote from: "mustiquemama"
BRENDA, here's a transcript of Karl Penhaul's timeline that ran on Anderson Cooper 360 tonight.  Granted he still uses the disproved original statements about dropping her at the HI, but clarifies it at the end with Mickey John's statement.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Neon lights pulling the gamblers and the curious. Drawn by the ringing of quarters in the slot machines, spin of the roulette wheel, the roll of the dice.

JAN VAN DER STRATEN, CHIEF POLICE COMMISSIONER: They meet each other in the casino the day before.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That day? Or a previous day? Or...

VAN DER STRATEN: The day before.

PENHAUL: Police say Natalee Holloway was here in the Holiday Inn Casino on Saturday night, May 28. It was her first known contact with one of the suspects, Joran Van Der Sloot, the 17-year-old son of an Aruban judge.

More neon lights, this time outside Carlos and Charlie's bar. Holloway came here to party the following Sunday night. She was with high school friends. She may not have realized she was taking a gamble of a different kind.

The bar is in Aruba's capital, Oranjestad, about 15 minutes' drive from the Holiday Inn, where Holloway and her classmates were staying.

Joran Van Der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe seen here in photos printed in an Aruban newspaper showed up about 10:45 according to statements, the Kalpoes made to investigators and seen by the defense attorney for another man who has been cleared of Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

CHRIS LEJUEZ, ATTORNEY FOR ABRAHAM JONES: And one of them stated that Joran danced with her.

PENHAUL: According to police it was around 1:00 a.m., closing time early Monday, when Natalee Holloway's friends watched her walk out of the bar and into a silver gray car with Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

What we know about what happened next comes from those who have read the Kalpoe brothers statements.

LEJUEZ: After they get in the car, one of them says, she wanted to see the other side of the island and the other one says, she wanted to go have a look at the sharks.

PENHAUL: You can make it to the lighthouse from Carlos and Charlie's in around 20 minutes. The Kalpoes were said to be up front, Holloway and Van Der Sloot in the back.

LEJUEZ: They say that he was not only kissing her, but fondling her sexually.

PENHAUL: It's called California Lighthouse, it's a tourist attraction by day, by night an isolated romantic rendezvous. It's not clear the car even stopped, but even in the moonlight from here, it would have been tough for Holloway to see any sharks.

LEJUEZ: One said they drove by the lighthouse. The other said they did not get out of the car.

PENHAUL: As they looked back they would have passed Arashi Beach. Experts say if you dump an object here, the current will drag it west toward open ocean.

According to Lejuez, the suspects' statements deny stopping at the beach, but the area was searched shortly after Holloway's disappearance.

From Aruba's Northwest tip Lejuez says the Kalpoe brothers' statement describes heading back to Holiday Inn.

LEJUEZ: One of them states that she fell asleep and they had to wake her up to ask her at what hotel she was staying.

PENHAUL: When they dropped off Holloway, Lejuez quotes the same of one of the Kalpoe brothers saying she was drunk and stumbled from the car. The other statement, Lejuez says describes Holloway talking to a security guard dressed in black pants and a t-shirt.

Based on the statements, two security guards, Mickey John, and Abraham Jones, were arrested six days after Holloway went missing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I do nothing. I fear nothing.

PENHAUL: They were released late Monday night after prosecutors decided there was no hard evidence against them.

Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers were arrested around dawn last Thursday. Prosecutors formally accused them of murder one, murder two and kidnapping leading to death, but Dutch law is different from American law, and they've not yet been formally charged.

Defense lawyers for the three young men maintain their clients' innocence.

ANTONIO CARLO, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT'S ATTORNEY: My client is maintaining that is he innocent.

PENHAUL: Law enforcement sources close to the investigation say cracks are peering in Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoes' stories. A view shared by one of the freed security guards who spoke to Deepak Kalpoe in the jail.

ABRAHAM JONES, FORMER SUSPECT: He told me that story of dropping the girl at the Holiday Inn was all made up. He dropped the Dutch guy with the missing girl close to the Mariott. And he and his brother went home.

PENHAUL: Those law enforcement sources say their accounts may be murky and their description of the facts not quite the same, but one indisputable fact, Natalee Holloway is missing without trace.

Karl Penhaul, CNN, Oranjestad, Aruba.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/16/acd.01.html

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At the beginning of this transcript is video and discussion with Penhaul.  I think the first voice-over should have read "judge's son."

CNN's Karl Penhaul has been covering the case practically since it began. He's come to know many of those involved. Karl, what's the latest?

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Law enforcement sources, Anderson, say that the suspects are continuing to point fingers at one another. There are three suspects, the two Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, and the son of a prominent island judge from a very well- respected family. He's the 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

(voice-over): The judge is led away in handcuffs, Dutch-born Joran van der Sloot. His mother was there when police arrested the 17-year-old in a dawn raid.

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, SUSPECT'S MOTHER: He said, mom, don't be upset because everything will be fine. I know I'm innocent. I didn't do anything. You know, in a very, almost naive way, he was very open with us, told us everything, what happened.

PENHAUL: Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, talked to CNN just after her son, the oldest of three children, was arrested in connection with Natalee's disappearance.

VAN DER SLOOT: I'm praying. I'm praying. I'm thinking about her, about her family. We're all thinking about her, and I don't know what to do more right now.

PENHAUL: Her husband, Paul, a judge and former prosecution service official in Aruba, declined to speak to CNN.

Days after Natalee's disappearance and just before his arrest, van der Sloot graduated from Aruba's prestigious $12,000-a-year International School. The school website described him as an honor student who had been accepted at a number of colleges in Florida.

VAN DER SLOOT: His favorite subject is physical education, sports, and he's an athlete (ph), as well as in tennis and soccer, and he enjoys being active, and he's just a very spontaneous, open, 17- year-old teenager.

PENHAUL: He's internet-savvy and visited his friend and suspect Deepak Kalpoe at a Cyberzone cafe where Deepak worked.

ANGELINA REPPAS, CYBERZONE CAFE BOSS: He's a good friend of Deepak's. He comes on the internet after school sometimes.

PENHAUL: In fact, van der Sloot had his own website where he posted photos with family, friends, girls and parties. Hours after his arrest, the website was taken down.

Schoolmate Leonardo Rivera says he had been a good friend of van der Sloot's until they had a falling out. Before the disagreement, they used to hang out at the beach and in bars.

What would you be drinking?

LEONARDO RIVERA, SCHOOLMATE: (INAUDIBLE)

PENHAUL: That's a mixture of vodka and fruit punch.

What kind of buzz did he used to get when he was a little bit drunk?

RIVERA: Normal.

PENHAUL: Was he an angry drunk?

RIVERA: No.

PENHAUL: Happy drunk?

RIVERA: No, funny, funny, funny guy, yes.

PENHAUL: Did he used to smoke a little something, or...

RIVERA: No, he didn't do drugs.

PENHAUL: Smart and athletic, Rivera says van der Sloot also fancied himself as a ladies' man.

RIVERA: He used to have a girlfriend -- girlfriends, yes. He liked to play around.

PENHAUL: His mother insists he's innocent, but says she's confounded by her son's arrest.

VAN DER SLOOT: We are parents that know our kids. We try to educate them well. We try to care for them, warn them, and it's devastating that these things happen.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

PENHAUL (on camera): Van der Sloot and the other two suspects, the two Kalpoe brothers, should, under normal procedures, appear before a judge by Sunday, in order that he will decide whether to keep them in custody for a further 10 days. Also at that stage, one would expect formal charges to be lodged. Anderson?

COOPER: Now, how long, theoretically, can they be kept in custody without charges being filed? Because, I know that it's a Dutch system. It's very different than the United States.

PENHAUL: As you say, very different from the U.S., but technically, at the end of this eight-day custody period that they're now into, then at that stage, the judge will have to hear the charges against them. That's when the prosecution will have to lodge those formal charges and then under a series of guidelines they could be held technically up to 116 days before this case comes to trial, Anderson.

COOPER: All right. Karl Penhaul, appreciate it.

The island of Aruba is about the size of the city of Washington, D.C. It's home to 70,000 to 80,000 people, but every year it's visited by many times that number of tourists who come, of course, for the white sand beaches and its free-wheeling night life and it's friendly people.

Needless to say those hundreds of thousands of visitors invariably go home when their vacations are over. For one of them, of course, sad to say, for Natalee there, 18-years-old, from Alabama, she's not gone home. She has been missing now on that island of white sand beaches for more than two weeks.

We're joined live in Aruba by Pierre Koa (ph), one of the many volunteers who has spent time searching for Natalee. Thank you very much for being with us, Pierre.

What sort of searches have you been involved with thus far?

Pierre, can you hear me? This is Anderson in New York. Obviously, we can't get in touch with Pierre. We'll try to get in touch with him and bring you that interview in a little bit.

360 next, inside the police investigation on Aruba, look at what is known about Natalee Holloway and the three suspects, a timeline hour-by-hour, minute-by-minute, and day-by-day since she disappeared, what exactly do we know at this point in the investigation?

Also trying to bring that you interview with the search and rescue man.

Also tonight, driver beware. Is your car or truck at risk of catching fire, even when the engine's off? You won't want to miss this special CNN investigative report. Also, the latest on the California quake, the third this week. Are they connected? We'll take a look. All that ahead.

Your picks -- first -- the most popular stories first on CNN.com right now.

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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2005, 10:41:46 PM »

for friends of natalee only who went on the trip with her:

1. what time did you see Natalee leave Carlos and Charlie's the night she disappeared? was it at bar closing time?

2. what exactly did you see...

3. where did she say she was going?

I am of the understanding that there were two large groups of kids from your school splitting off that night, both thinking Natalee was going with the others - so question #3 may not be able to be answered

4. who was in her company? Joran, Deepak, Satish or a combo?

5. when she got into the car, what seat did she get into? was it into front passenger seat, rear passenger seat behind driver, or rear passenger seat on the right (behind other front passenger)?
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2005, 10:47:11 PM »

are there any classmates of Joran here? How about co-workers/friends of Deepak? How about classmates/friends of Satish?

I am interested in knowing:

Did your friend/classmate/co-worker have to attend school or work the morning of the 31st of May?

IF so, what time?

Did he show up on time?

In what condition did he show up in?
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2005, 12:36:22 AM »

Analysis of the boys first story of what happened:

1:00   The boys left bar with Natalee

1:20   twenty minutes to drive to lighthouse (according to arubagirl)

   *** Boys reported they (as in nobody) got out of car

It is a 2 minute drive to Holiday Inn from the lighthouse according to Arubagirl.....

What happened to the missing 38 minutes?  Are we to believe that Natalee and Joran were "kissing" in the back seat of the car for 38 minutes with Deepak and Satish in the front seat of the car?  If so - what exactly were the two brothers doing with THEIR time for these 38 minutes????

2:00   dropped natalee off at holiday inn


"The police set about questioning the two boys. They are said to have
claimed at that time that the now missing Natalee Holloway did indeed
leave Carlos And Charlies with them and the entire group went to the
lighthouse area together prior to dropping Natalee back at her hotel. The
boys also made additional claims consistent with other earlier reports
They also told police that they dropped Holloway at her Holiday Inn at
about 2 a.m. and last saw her being approached by a man in a security
guard uniform before they drove off, Kock said. "


"Natalee Holloway, was last seen in Carlos ‘n Charlie’s on the dawn of
30th May, 2005 with three young male, who are now suspects in the case.
Their story was: they all went to the Arashi Beach, on the far northern
part of Aruba, where the Dutch suspect, Joran van der Sloot told
officials that he and Natalee were romantically involved in the back of
the car. Further than that they allegedly just dropped her off in front
of the Holiday Inn hotel and here is when she met the two security
guards, after this they never saw her again. "
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2005, 01:31:25 AM »

Joran's school schedule at Aruba's International School.....

End of Semester II Exam Schedule, 2005 Monday 6/6  Tuesday 6/7 Wednesday 6/8 Thursday 6/9 Friday 6/10

7:50 – 8:00 Homeroom Homeroom Homeroom Homeroom

8:05 ­ 9:55 A1 EXAM A4 EXAM B3 EXAM Goodbye “old ISA” at ISA then Baby Beach Teacher work day ­ complete grades and pack up materials

9:55 ­ 10:20 Break Break Break Students ˝ day School open all next week

10:20 ­12:10  A2 EXAM B1 EXAM B4 EXAM

Busses leave by 12:00. School can be opened on Sat. if access is needed

12:10 ­12:50 Lunch Lunch Students go home except makeups Complete checkout list

12:55 ­ 2:45 A3 EXAM B2 EXAM MAKEUP EXAMS (late bus will run)

Graduation, 6:00 p.m at Wyndham Hotel.

Checkout is finalized after grades are in and room is all packed up. Please inform me immediately of any Seniors at risk of failing any class as Carol will check if they still meet overall requirements and credits for graduation. For those who take an AP exam, it will substitute for final exam though they will still be expected to report to that class for the remainder of the semester. Seniors are free as of 10 a.m. Wednesday for graduation practice and prep.. Teachers of grades 6­12 will be responsible to keep the students they normally have during that period whether they are giving a written exam, project based assessment, or some other form of instructional activity. Students are not to be dismissed early. They are encouraged to bring water with them and a book to read to occupy themselves afterwards. Teachers are expected to maintain a quiet studious environment throughout the entire period so students may review for their next exam when they finish the exam of that class. Grades are due to be entered into the computer by Monday noon, 6/13,  as they will need to be reviewed, printed out, and transcript records prepared for students who are moving and who are graduating.  Senior exams should be graded immediately after giving it so we know if any of those graduating will not yet receive a signed diploma. All busses go home end of B4 exam Wednesday with only students who must sit a makeup exam staying who will then ride a late bus. This provides additional work time for teachers for grading, packing up, etc.
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2005, 12:13:19 PM »

Hi All,

Here is a link to a map of Aruba, with labeled areas of places that have been discussed the last several days.  Aruba is approx. 20x6 miles.  It gives us a better visual reference.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Images-Fun/map3.pdf

1.   Carlos n Charlies – Oranjestad
2.   California Lighthouse
3.   Fisherman’s Huts (Hadicurari)
4.   Marriott and Holiday Inn hotels
5.   Juron’s House in Montana (Noord) – approximately 6.5 kilometers (4 miles) from Holiday Inn by car
6.   Kalpoe Brothers’ House in Hooiberg
7.   Bubali Bird Sanctuary (search site?)
8.   Santa Lucia (mountain area, possible cell phone call made from area at 6:30AM on day Natalee went missing, May 30)
9.   Arikok National Park/Indian Caves
10.   International School (Juron’s school) and Refinery
11.   Saveneta (possible witness detained for questioning on 6/16 – later released)
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