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« on: June 17, 2005, 03:59:59 PM »

As per Cat in chat, I'm trying to start a sticky with BREAKING NEWS ONLY PLEASE....NO COMMENTS ON THIS THREAD!! Thank you
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2005, 06:47:13 AM »

Dallas Also posted this in the Breaking Rumors thread last night & it seemed very helpful. Thought I'd quote it here:



FROM DALLAS ALSO:

Here is a list that I think summarizes today's events, with good extras from the local Ariba folks that are posting:

1. Someone named Lorenzo was detained and questioned yesterday, but we don't think he has been arrested yet. He is known to be a nutcase, maybe capable of something. His dad owned the Volkswagon dealership there but committed suicide 3 years ago and was found hanging in the hallway of their home.
2. Someone else was arrested this morning and two of our posters determined that this is their friend that was arrested. The name is Steve Croes. Croes is a common name like Smith or Jones and he is no relation to the Minister Croes that has been quoted some in some press releases. Steve Croes is an acquaintance of Americaninaruba and DJTAYLOR, and that he drives a large party boat called the Tattoo that stays docked near the Marriott. Steve Croes is divorced and has a two-yr-old child and works hard and also would have been the type that might have enjoyed going to a late-night party. But this really shook up our friends Americaninaruba and DJTAYLOR. Americaninaruba went down to the courthouse to see what was going on there.
3. Someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an "underground party". Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don't have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don't close those down as easily.
4. In the radio announcements, there are several announcements from officials that they now are back to thinking she could be alive.
5. We looked closer at the underwear that was found on the beach and discussed that it did indeed look like an American style, "boy boxers" that can be purchased at any major American department store.
6. We looked closer at the guy that was holding up the underwear, and we found a separate picture from Joran's old website. And it looked like the same guy shown as a friend/acquaintance of Joran also was the guy that found all those items on the beach on 6-7-05. Among those items also was a piece of foam "that had teethmarks" on it and we discussed that a little.
7. We heard rumors of FBI searches that weren't confirmed.
8. We heard that on local Aruba radio at 5 pm, they announced that an additional person had been arrested. This hasn't shown up on MSM so far.
9. We knew that today the three guys (Joran and the three brothers) appeared in court. The court decided to keep them in jail another 8 days. This decision took hours today. They were in their at least 3 hours. One report said that they came out once, and that when they went back in, that Joran was in handcuffs, and had not been in handcuffs the first time he had gone into the courtroom earlier in the day.
10. We heard that a "travelling judge" today overturned another judge's original decision to let Joran's dad visit Joran. So the dad only got to visit Joran one day.
11. We heard that Joran now has additional lawyers (we think he has three now), and that one of his lawyers broke some sort of rule by "talking to one of the guards".
12. Someone posted that Steve Croes has been released, but that is only a post from another website and no one has really confirmed it.

I think that is the summary of today's posts. We had incredible information coming in from Aruba and others.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2005, 08:00:16 AM »

1) DALLAS UPDATES:

On that item #6, I could have stated that one better, because we didn't reach any conclusion as to whether the two photos were of the same guy.

Also, the person reported at 5 pm to be arrested may have only been questioned. He was in the same grade and at the same school as Joran.
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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2005, 08:16:48 AM »

UPDATE FROM WAITINGTOKNOW

6. We looked closer at the guy that was holding up the underwear, and we found a separate picture from Joran's old website. And it looked like the same guy shown as a friend/acquaintance of Joran also was the guy that found all those items on the beach on 6-7-05. Among those items also was a piece of foam "that had teethmarks" on it and we discussed that a little.

I would like to note...
1. the separate picture was not found on Joran's old website..it was found in another website of a friend....http://elektron.et.tudelft.nl/%7Eryan/ picture #37
2. The items were not found on 6/7/05...they were just found this past week near the MH
3. The items found by the caves on 6/7/05, I believe that is where they were found....the foam, can of unidentified substance, security guard uniform shirt....were found by searchers...not the guy that found the panties and condoms..
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2005, 08:22:42 AM »

UPDATE FROM SERENITY 2000: Possibility that skinny Steve & chubby Steve are one and the same, as MSNBC seems to be using photos of the stocky Steve (left), contrary to what Steve’s Aruban acquaintances had identified as his pic (right).

* YOU CAN SEE THE PHOTOS IN RUMOR THREAD 8, PG 57




UPDATE FROM ABSOLUT: WEB SOURCES FOR PHOTOS

MSNBC is showing the big stocky steve croes
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8218429/


http://elektron.its.tudelft.nl/~ensermo/mike/pages/alltogether.htm

He is in the montage in the second link.

The MSNBC pic is newer.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2005, 08:33:52 AM »

USEFUL REMINDER FROM ROGERS ESP. FOR NEWBIES. THE MESSAGES ABOUT THE MB and ARUBAN POSTERS ARE ESPECIALLY VITAL. THEY ARE SUPER-VALUABLE NEWS SOURCES.

Good morning all.

I wanted to say something about this current controversy. There are many posters that have pointed out that messages here often have nothing to do with Natalee. Many take offense to this because the volume of off-topic posts dilute the purpose of board, or because the number of messages make it more difficult to trace the raw news that is being developed

These two points are indisputably true.

However, this board is what it is. It has been forged in the fire of the 24 hour news cycle with the heart breaking case of Natalee's disappearance at its core.

At the onset of this saga, there were several sites that attempted to serve this role. They've all shutdown. Red and Tom have persevered, but not without adaptation. In the midst of this tsunami, they were forced to change the software they use for hosting this forum. The community of users did not let the new software impose the communication structure, but instead adopted methods that closely patterned the software from before.

What we have is a hybrid. It parses and develop news, but it also supports and encourages each other and "off-topic" banter. I like it, some of you won't.

While I can't speak for the moderators, I think that by now I know them fairly well. All are welcome here, to participate, lurk, whatever. When you post, be considerate of others. Particularly be considerate of Natalee's family and classmates that visit here. If you feel the need to vent be specific. Don't target Aruba or Arubans with your anger. We have many Arubans that we know and love. You may disagree with an Aruban official or with their investigative technics.

We don't need to agree, but we do need to be kind.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2005, 08:34:54 AM »

MIMI MENTIONED THIS, WHICH ALSO CAME UP Y-Day:

The party boat "Tattoo" Croze worked on as a DJ is up for sale! Hope they investgate before it is sold!!! Wonder if the police know this?

http://yachtbroker.escapeartist.com/boats/action/view/boat/297/
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2005, 08:50:10 AM »

I POSTED THIS ON RUMORS #8. It explains what's up with this BREAKING NEWS thread. A few tips for NEWBIES:
1) unless you have new & somewhat verifiable INFO to add, post comments on other threads.
2) if you get a debug error message after posting, don't worry. don't post again. it probably went through.
3) try not to quote huge passages of text.
4) remember that the pm (private message) option is available if you have something to say to another individual.

***please read***

hey guys. i have spent the last few hours catching up & have tried to compile people's summaries of and updates on FACTS & SEMI-FACTS in the BREAKING NEWS thread. PLEASE USE THIS THREAD & encourage newbies to use it too. could really help resolve some of the conflicts that arose last night if people have a quick 'n' easy place to go to catch up on major developments. let's try our best not to use the BREAKING NEWS thread for speculation but instead for UPDATES on what seems to be decent information, keeping the thread LEAN & SUCCINCT for our newbies. the alabama news article is likely to drive more traffic this way & so people will have some catching-up to do.

also, i am exhausted after spending too much time reading, & will have to leave the site till sometime this afternoon. PLEASE, PLEASE post new information in the BREAKING NEWS thread.

and, hey, let's all remember that this is about natalee, not our own egos. if someone says something mean or accusing to us, we do NOT have to respond. this only fuels disputes as we saw last night. be the bigger person. leave it be or take the fight private.

may natalee be found safe & sound.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2005, 08:29:55 PM »

There was just a report on Fox from Aruba that a man has been found decapitated.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2005, 08:43:16 PM »

Here's a link with info about the man found decapitated
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2005, 09:07:54 PM »

WOW!!!!! Hubart Teal from Diario is onFOX, says Natalee is alive on her way to Venz!!!!!
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2005, 10:35:22 PM »

Breaking news: Reuben Trappenberg, a high ranking official of the Aruban government was just asked on Fox, just now, whether the decision not to use polygraphic technology was a point of contention between Aruban law enforcement officers and the FBI. He danced around the subject, claimed that he was not in direct communication with law enforcement officers, and reiterated that polygraphs are "not admissable in Aruban courts." But, of course, that is something we already knew. But what he did NOT say is just as significant. He did NOT say that polygraphic interrogation would be a violation of Aruban law. He did NOT say that. Further, a letter to the editor of AM Digital a couple of days ago by retired Arubian police officer Elio Nicolaas, indicated that Elio Nicolaas was surprised that Arubian authorities did not take advantage of the polygraphic technology offered by the FBI.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2005, 03:26:52 PM »

At approximately 3:05 PM EST today, Joran's mother Anita and father Paulus left the police station after being questioned for about 2 hours.

They made no comment when leaving.

Story played on Fox - Fox ran video of Joran's mother and father getting in their car and leaving .

Father was released from questioning last evening, both parents were back today answering more questions.

EDITED June 22, 2005: Both parents were not questioned. Only Joran's father was questioned for the second time. His mother was not questioned.  It was reported later that she visited her son on that day, but was not interviewed by the police.

Fox reporter stated that the heat of the investigation was getting hotter on Joran.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2005, 08:47:14 PM »

watchingallalong -

fyi, my summary of the days' events on Friday, 6-17-05, all had accurate confirmations.  Confirming information is available upon request...
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2005, 02:11:33 PM »

I am attempting to compile a list of all people who have been detained, questioned, and/or arrested in the case of Natalee Holloway.  It is an effort to sort the facts in my head.  I would really appreciate anyone's help in confirming dates, information, etc.

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CAST OF CHARACTERS
In the Mysterious & Heartbreaking Disappearance of Natalee Holloway

Joren van der Sloot, age 17
Questioned 31 May 2005 ?
Released 31 May 2005 ?
Arrested 09 June 2005
Student at International School

Deepak Kalpoe, age 21
Questioned 31 May 2005 ?
Released 31 May 2005 ?
Arrested 09 June 2005
Friend of JVSD

Satish Kalpoe, age 18
Questioned 31 May 2005 ?
Released 31 May 2005 ?
Arrested 09 June 2005
Friend of JVSD

Antonius “Mickey” John, age 30
Arrested 05 June 2005
Released 13 June 2005
Security guard

Abraham Jones, age 28
Arrested 05 June 2005
Released 13 June 2005
Security guard

Steve Gregory Croes, age 26
Questioned 17 June 2005
Arrested 17 June 2005
Friend of JVSD or Deepak ?
DJ on “party boat” called “Tattoo”
Knows one of Kalpoe brothers from internet cafe

Lorenzo van Rijn, age ?
Questioned 16 June 2005
Friend of JVSD or Deepak ?
Rumored to be  son of VW dealer who committed suicide
Rumored to be illegitimate son of PVDS

Maxito Arendsz, age 26 ?
Questioned 17 June 2005
Friend of JVSD
Car racer
Works at Aruba Speed Shop

OR

Max Arends, age 18 ?
Questioned 17 June 2005
Friend of JVSD
Student at International School

Paulus van der Sloot, age ?
Questioned 18 June 2005
Questioned second time 19 June 2005
Father of JVSD
Court did not allow him to visit son, JVSD
Questioned as a “witness”
Judge-in-training in Aruba
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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2005, 06:38:15 PM »

ok, i want to try to figure out what we've learned today, in terms of semi-credible info:

* one kalpoe already at prison; the other kalpoe and joran have been moved to the prison as well
* one of the suspects attempted suicide and has been transferred to receive psychological help
* J's *current* story is that he left her on the beach asleep
* some in Aruba want the Holloways to be polygraph-tested
* in addition to the beheaded guy and the missing guy, another missing report has possibly been filed (??????)
* another arrest or witness interview today (?????????) with initial A (Alex the Axe-ist, whose pics we've seen online? or maybe Max A?....or.... Anita, Joran's mom?)

y'all, we MUST NOT succumb to the trolls' level of nastiness. THEY WANT US TO RESPOND and ARGUE. if they don't get what they want, they LEAVE & go someplace where they will. it's as simple as that.
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« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2005, 02:03:30 PM »

Quote from: "littletxlady"
Here's a link with info about the man found decapitated
http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005


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Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at Sabana Basora.

It was mrs. Y.C.H., 29 years old, who arrived home at Sabana Basora around 7.30 am Saturday to find the house in a total mess with signs of violence, including traces of blood. At observing the scene police said that the injured person could not be alive.

The man that should have been at the house could not be found anywhere, and his grey pick-up truck was not there either. Immediately alarm was sounded. Police agents who arrived at the scene started a thorough search at the area and moments later discover the pick-up truck behind Government cemetery at Sabana Basora. The beheaded body of Rene van Heyningen, who worked at the refinery, was found in the bushes not far from the vehicle.

Rene van Heyningen was born on January 12, 1973 and resided at the Van Lennepstraat 17 in San Nicholas. So far, no detention has taken place in this case. According to the police, the house owner was heard as a possible witness. We extend our deepest condolences to the bereaved family.


http://am.aruba.tv/download.php?name=amAruba.pdf
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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2005, 03:33:15 PM »

Greta was able to take Beth to the Van der sloots toady - and they let them in and they actually spoke for 90 min - do not think the actual cameras will be showing this interview but she will discuss on her show tonite at 10 p.m.
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« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2005, 11:05:04 PM »

Most significant item heard today. Greta van Susteran and the Mother of Natalee Holloway met for 90 minutes today with the parents of Joran van der Sloot in their home. Greta reported tonight that the Mother of Joran said that Joran told her, "I left her at the beach and walked home."

The Greta segment is worth watching, as Joran's father, hiding in the bushes from the cameras, emerges and walks to the gate as Beth Holloway asks if she can give him a prayer card for Natalee. He invites Beth and Greta in, without cameras, and they stay inside speaking with the parents for 90 minutes.
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"He said he left her at the beach and walked home."  Mother of Joran van der Sloot to Natalee Holloway's Mother, June 21, 2005.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2005, 09:30:21 AM »

www.hasibokos.com is reporting that the investigation is stalled right now:


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Latest developments in Aruba (Thursday):  AweMeinta reported today that the investigation has reached a 'deadlock'. The Aruba media is also reporting the same. Apparently there aren’t new leads to follow and the Aruban authorities are searching in the dark. Hasibokos.com has learned that the authorities are putting a lot of pressure on the four suspects who are now in custody right now. They are trying to get more information out of them, but this has not (yet) resulted in new leads. Hopefully the arrival of the search team from Texas will give new perspective on this case, cause if  we summarize what the Aruban media is reporting right now: ' The investigation is STALLED'


http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/10/2005

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