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Plus, Jodi Arias stare-down. Who was the convicted murderer shooting daggers at today?
That person is here to describe the face-off.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So what`s going to happen to her?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t think she`s -- I hope she`s not that cold-blooded.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So what happens if she`s found guilty?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, she`ll be sentenced for however long they decide.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For the rest of her life, probably.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know. That`s not up to me.
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PINSKY: Back with my co-host Samantha Schacher.
That was a rather clairvoyant statement on Jodi`s mom`s part asking about her daughter`s fate back in 2008. Today`s hearing lasted 43 seconds and ended with as much of a big question mark. Here`s a quick clip.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The court is deferring ruling on the motion to continue, resetting this matter to July 18th at 8:30 a.m., vacating the current trial date of July 18th.
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PINSKY: Lauren Lake and Jenny Hutt are back. Joining us as well, two of Jodi`s jurors, Tara Kelley, she was number 17, an alternate, and Diane Schwartz, juror number 7. They were both in court today.
But, first, quickly out to Shanna Hogan for the latest.
Shanna, what have you got? Is Shanna there?
Not there. OK, I`m going to you guys.
Tara, I believe when Jodi came out in all that prison garb, Jodi caught your eye, is that right?
TARA KELLEY, JUROR: That`s correct.
PINSKY: What happened?
KELLEY: Well, we actually were seated one row behind the family of Jodi. So it was her mother and two other people that were with her. Travis` aunt had went to the back with Juan Martinez, I went and sat in her seat to talk to the friends that were over there. And as Jodi started coming back in from judge`s chambers, I realized she was coming in so I stood up to walk to my seat. Halfway through when she was walking, she realized I was there and we locked eyes and she continued to stare at me until I was able to go sit down and join the other two jurors, who then she looked at them as well.
PINSKY: Creepy, yes.
Diane, was it the usual emptiness that so many of the Travis` friends had described or something a little more hostile there?
DIANE SCHWARTZ, JUROR: I felt a little bit more hostility. But there was a real emptiness. I mentioned to Tara later, did you see how black her eyes were? Extremely black. But she definitely looked at all three jurors. It was very apparent.
PINSKY: Now, as you look at this video, when she goes around, you`re going to see how deeply -- they`ve got her in shackles, a big leather belt around her. Is that -- do we have other footage of this or do we have other footage? Under that blue bar you can see she has this huge leather bar around her waist, her hands are shackled to the bar.
I mean, does she need, Lauren, does she -- is she dangerous that way that she needs that kind of shackling?
LAUREN LAKE, ATTORNEY: Well, Dr. Drew, absolutely. And not just the danger factor. The flight risk factor as well. I mean, she could potentially plan an escape. This girl has been known to be capable of a lot of things and is not trustworthy.
Also, she`s been on suicide watch so she could potentially harm herself or someone else. She`s also one of the most-hated women in America. So this is in the interest of the public and also defendant.
PINSKY: Jenny, got something to say?
HUTT: Sorry, I`d like to say something. What happened to the woman who at her allocution was saying sorry for what she caused, was sorry for the Alexander family, that girl was angry.
PINSKY: Jenny, you may be shocked to know this Jodi Arias woman shocks and distorts things.
PINSKY: Very shocking I know to hear that.
HUTT: Dr. Drew?
HUTT: She gave up the act I feel like. In that 43 seconds, she was angry. She was nasty. She gave up the act.
SCHACHER: Saw the true Jodi Arias.
PINSKY: Diane, tell us about the gesture that Travis` aunt made for you guys.
SCHWARTZ: It was very, very nice. We were -- the bailiff had seated us. Travis` aunt put her arms around me and she said, you can sit with the family, we`d love to have you over there. And then she gave a great big hug and she said, thank you for your service. That was worth being there for that.
PINSKY: That`s nice.
SCHWARTZ: That was a real heartwarming feeling.
SCHACHER: That`s nice.
PIUNSKY: That is nice. You guys I know all had a lot of ambivalence that you had let the family down.
Lauren, I want to ask you something. What do you think the defense attorneys felt when they took a look at our jurors? If you were the defense attorney how would you behave? Then we`ll hear what they saw.
LAKE: Well, you know, if I saw the jurors there and I`m sitting in the defense position, of course, you`d know that these people are very attached to this case. And you`re thinking to yourself, oh, well, this isn`t looking good for my defendant, is it going to throw my client off, is it going to some way affect the outcome?
But at the end of the day, the defense walked away today with a little more time.
PINSKY: And ladies, Tara, what did you see when Jodi`s lawyer saw you?
KELLEY: Well, we actually had seen Kirk Nurmi standing with his security female that was with him before the courtroom even opened. And as soon as he saw us, he pretty much looked disgusted seeing us there.
PINSKY: Diane, you had the same feeling?
SCHWARTZ: He -- I didn`t really look at him or try to interact with him at all. I felt that I wasn`t there to watch him and so I really didn`t interact with him at all.
PINSKY: Before we wrap this up, Sam, did you have something you wanted to say?
SCHACHER: I wanted to know when you were sitting with the Alexander family, how did they appear? How were they holding up, did you talk to them?
KELLEY: We actually went and had breakfast with his aunt and some of their friends.
KELLEY: They`re holding up, you know? It`s frustrating that it`s being delayed again for the hearing. But you know, they`re troupers, they`re hanging in there.
SCHWARTZ: I felt the same way.
PINSKY: Any word how Samantha`s doing?
KELLEY: I know that they said they were definitely keeping track of -- you know, keeping her, you know -- they`re trying to help her out as much as possible. But it seems like the family is trying to move on in their normal lives until the next hearing and everything starts again.
Ladies, as always, really appreciate you being here. And thank you to the panel.
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