Trial of George Zimmerman in the Death of Trayvon Martin #5 6/19/13 - 7/2/13

[theboyzmom]

Pretty much as hurtful as redneck or honkie. Someone wth a low IQ like a 19 year old drunk pothead 11th grader that can't read cursive and tweets gobbledygook used it.

alagary 

She knows three languages: French Ceole, Spanish and English. 

I can't speak Spanish or Ceole, can you?

I am not speaking for anyone but myself.

I only know one language.  But I speak it with respect in a court of law to an attorney who is questioning me in a murder case.
 
I have stated my position here before, after being "called out" on another post - but some of the players in this trial are very disrespectful with regard to the judge, lawyers and witnesses in this trial.

My parents taught me respect.  I don't have to agree with anyone, but there is a time and place for respect.

And yah, I have been called a cracker before.

Caddi - I agree with you - there are times that respect must be shown - and this girl has none.


BTW - do you know they do not teach cursive in most schools? I was shocked when several employees told me that and I checked it out.

[grace-land]

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/06/zimmerman-trial-day-5-analysis-video-states-own-witnesses-undercut-theory-of-guilt/

Zimmerman Trial Day 5 – Analysis & Video – State’s own witnesses undercut theory of guilt
Posted by Andrew Branca    Friday, June 28, 2013 at 8:41pm

[MuffyBee]

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/06/03/trayvon-martin-crime-scene-evidence-photos-george-zimmerman
George Zimmerman trial: 84 evidence photos
WARNING: There are extremely graphic photos in this gallery
By Nancy Grace Staff
updated 11:16 AM EDT, Wed June 26, 2013

[MuffyBee]

An interesting read, imo.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-oped-0630-zorn-20130630,0,5247290.column?page=1
Zimmerman trial has all the ingredients for a miscarriage of justice
Eric Zorn
Change of Subject
June 30, 2013

In following the George Zimmerman trial somewhat closely online last week, I noted a familiar pattern:

A "heater" case that draws intense media interest.

Sympathetic victim.

Unsympathetic defendant.

Evidence of innocence explained away with far-fetched theories or else ignored.

Evidence of guilt magnified and bolstered with irrelevant detail and innuendo.

These are among the key ingredients for all the wrongful convictions I've written about in the last 20 years.

Investigators and prosecutors put on the blinders early, before all the facts come in. They fill the gaps and inconsistencies in the case with suppositions inspired by sympathy for the victim, rage at the defendant and a desire for what they've decided is justice.

I don't presume to know exactly what happened between Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin on the subdivision walkway on that rainy night in Sanford, Fla., in early 2012. And, a week into the prosecution's case, I don't know how anyone else can presume to know.
 

The original gloss on the story that galvanized protests nationwide was that a white, armed vigilante had pursued and murdered a black child just for sport, and authorities were shrugging it off.

This summary had great appeal to many of my fellow liberals for whom it confirmed their worst fears about firearms, the malignant endurance of racism and the cheapness with which law enforcement regards African-American lives.

I felt it too. But they've clung to this narrative long after the emerging facts have shown that the actual story is, at best, far more complex and murky than the first news stories and protest chants had suggested.

Martin wasn't the slight middle-school student seen in first photos of him made public, but a tall, athletic 17-year-old who'd had plenty of time to walk safely home once he knew he was being followed. Zimmerman was of mixed ethnicity, and he'd lost sight of Martin that night while attempting to keep an eye on him for police.

Witnesses who last week testified that they heard or saw fragments of their fatal confrontation have been all over the place — literally, in the case of the young woman on the phone with Martin up until the altercation began. Her testimony places the fight roughly 50 yards from where it actually took place.

Still, the presumed-guilty crowd has continued to alter their narrative — Martin didn't double back to confront Zimmerman, as the timeline suggests, but he hid in fear after he was seen running away, and Zimmerman found him! Zimmerman's bloody head wounds weren't bloody enough to suggest he feared for his life! — rather than alter their perspective.

But if they can just take a few steps back for perspective, my friends will see in themselves here the very police and prosecutors whom they've justly criticized in so many other instances. They will see a rush to judgment, tunnel vision and an almost desperate attempt to sidestep accumulating reasonable doubts. They will see that skepticism about the legal process is not something to be set aside when a prosecution suits your politics.

Again, I don't presume to know exactly what happened between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin that night. I don't presume to say I know whether Zimmerman was actually justified in using deadly force to defend himself, or whether the jurors who will listen to every last word of the testimony will find him guilty.

But I do presume to recognize a familiar travesty brewing when I see one.

[seahorse]

Pretty much as hurtful as redneck or honkie. Someone wth a low IQ like a 19 year old drunk pothead 11th grader that can't read cursive and tweets gobbledygook used it.

alagary 

She knows three languages: French Ceole, Spanish and English. 

I can't speak Spanish or Ceole, can you?

I am not speaking for anyone but myself.

I only know one language.  But I speak it with respect in a court of law to an attorney who is questioning me in a murder case.
 
I have stated my position here before, after being "called out" on another post - but some of the players in this trial are very disrespectful with regard to the judge, lawyers and witnesses in this trial.

My parents taught me respect.  I don't have to agree with anyone, but there is a time and place for respect.

And yah, I have been called a cracker before.

   Good Point! 

[seahorse]

Pretty much as hurtful as redneck or honkie. Someone wth a low IQ like a 19 year old drunk pothead 11th grader that can't read cursive and tweets gobbledygook used it.

alagary 

She knows three languages: French Ceole, Spanish and English. 

I can't speak Spanish or Ceole, can you?

I am not speaking for anyone but myself.

I only know one language.  But I speak it with respect in a court of law to an attorney who is questioning me in a murder case.
 
I have stated my position here before, after being "called out" on another post - but some of the players in this trial are very disrespectful with regard to the judge, lawyers and witnesses in this trial.

My parents taught me respect.  I don't have to agree with anyone, but there is a time and place for respect.

And yah, I have been called a cracker before.

Caddi - I agree with you - there are times that respect must be shown - and this girl has none.


BTW - do you know they do not teach cursive in most schools? I was shocked when several employees told me that and I checked it out.

I was stunned when a friend told me Roman Numerals were not taught in school.

[seahorse]

Hi Monkey's,

Thank-you, Red, for addressing the Knock, Knock, joke. 

I agree, Z, needs to take the stand - the truth, needs to be cleared-up by Z. IMO

I wonder if Mr.Taffee, is he going to be a witness? 

 

Forgive me, I am a bit dense, what is a Cracker?  I understand the slang, it is nothing new.
What on earth does it mean, please?


Yes, I know, it is a "C" word, help me, to understand how or WHY, it is a stur. TIA

It's a word that black people use to refer to people like me . People like me think it's something stupid people say.

Thank-you.

So it is just a stupid name to call Wh people?  That is it? 

A woman told me years ago, she (and others) used the word Cracker.
I said, (more stupid) something, like, Graham cracker, it flew over her head, good thing.

In the days of slavery, the cracker was the slave master cracking the whip.

WOW!   

Jamcakes, Thank-you for the definition.

Holy smokers- I should of looked it up.

[seahorse]

Pretty much as hurtful as redneck or honkie. Someone wth a low IQ like a 19 year old drunk pothead 11th grader that can't read cursive and tweets gobbledygook used it.

alagary 

She knows three languages: French Ceole, Spanish and English. 

I can't speak Spanish or Ceole, can you?

I am not speaking for anyone but myself.

I only know one language.  But I speak it with respect in a court of law to an attorney who is questioning me in a murder case.
 
I have stated my position here before, after being "called out" on another post - but some of the players in this trial are very disrespectful with regard to the judge, lawyers and witnesses in this trial.

My parents taught me respect.  I don't have to agree with anyone, but there is a time and place for respect.

And yah, I have been called a cracker before.

Caddi - I agree with you - there are times that respect must be shown - and this girl has none.


BTW - do you know they do not teach cursive in most schools? I was shocked when several employees told me that and I checked it out.

"You Got That"!

[seahorse]

Good Morning Monkey's,



If TM, was met at the Twin Lakes, entrance, by his dads, GF, (who was a resident of the community) could the comfortation been avoided?


 
My question:

If I lived at the Twin Lakes community and I was expecting a cleaning lady
 
HOW does she enter the grounds?

Does the Twin Lakes have an intercom or a button to press to allow someone to enter?

Does the cleaning lady scoot around the gate and sneak in?

If Traynor's, future step-mom, met him, at the gate, would things have been different?

This is not to excuse Z for his actions, I am just saying (or asking).

Was TM was trespassing, without a authorization to enter the gated community?

If TM - had a escort, from the official entrance (gate) this MAY have never happened, unless, they were cutting through Taffy's backyard, IMO!

[alagary]

6/28/13  Authorities arrest suspect in Millburn video beating
 

  "In the wake of last Friday’s attack, residents in Millburn distributed fliers throughout the victim’s neighborhood and organized a community watch.

" 
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2013/06/millburn_video_beating_arrest.html#incart_m-rpt-1

[alagary]

If goes that far I expect the defense will use something like in this article;
http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back

[Red]

I would like to get others opinions ...

After the first week of this murder trail of George Zimmerman, who thinks that the Prosecution has put forth a case that has not only proved "reason doubt" but also may have proved that Travon was the aggressor and GZ's story of self defense is believable as he was being pummeled by TV? I do not doubt that GZ followed TV, but once the two came in contact and the altercation started, GZ was getting is butt whooped.

I would actually go so far as to say that if GZ was not carrying a gun and had shot and killed TV, that it may be Martin on trial for beating Zimmerman senseless.

Would like to see how others think the prosecution's case went this weeK

[cadillac]

Hi Red, 

My first thought about the State's case this week, is that they are going to have to have more convincing witnesses than thus far.

Something smells wrong about DeeDee's testimony.  It is troublesome that she was questioned in front of Trayvon's mother.  That was unfair to the young girl- from the get go. 

Not to mention, isn't that wrong for attorney(s) to do that?

I want to hear the rest of the testimony from both sides.  This is a lose-lose case.

Respectfully,

Cad

[alagary]

I am more convinced than ever that Martin ambushed Z after being egged on by the Fabulous Deedee. Her low thinking mind thought that law enforcement would find that out from her phone records. Just like 48. Explains her staying hid and her "guilt".

[Red]

Hi Red, 

My first thought about the State's case this week, is that they are going to have to have more convincing witnesses than thus far.

Something smells wrong about DeeDee's testimony.  It is troublesome that she was questioned in front of Trayvon's mother.  That was unfair to the young girl- from the get go. 

Not to mention, isn't that wrong for attorney(s) to do that?

I want to hear the rest of the testimony from both sides.  This is a lose-lose case.

Respectfully,

Cad

Yea, I would say beyond weak. In listening to their opening statement one would have thought that they would have had an open and shut case against Zimmerman. Making all the accusations against him and stating how they were going to set out to prove it. Then this first week of what can only be described as one of the weakest high profile cases I think I have ever seen or read.

Prosecution witness after prosecution witness has done more to aid Zimmerman than the prosecution. I just can't believe this is what the prosecution lead out of the box with.

All does need to be heard, but what I have head so far reemphasizes my original thoughts that the murder charges were an over-reach. Which makes me understand why this case was not originally tried. There may just not be enough evidence to prove the crime.

I agree 100% that there are no winners.

[Red]

I am more convinced than ever that Martin ambushed Z after being egged on by the Fabulous Deedee. Her low thinking mind thought that law enforcement would find that out from her phone records. Just like 48. Explains her staying hid and her "guilt".

Her testimony was certainly an eye opener.

And if it were not for as Rachel Jeantel's testimony, we would never have known that TV referred to GZ as a "creepy ass cracker". I want everyone to really think about this. She thought nothing wrong to bring this up and that it was not damning against Trayvon. Doesn't that put everyone's thought process and mindset into perspective?

[Toler]

Trayvon Martin’s Stepmother Speaks Out: I Don’t Think Zimmerman ‘Picked Him Out Because He Was Black’
6/29/13

Alicia Stanley, Trayvon Martin‘s stepmother, sat down last night for an emotional interview with Anderson Cooper. Stanley opened up about the 14 years she spent raising Martin with his father and how it’s been hard for her to watch George Zimmerman‘s trial and hear all the things people have been saying about the night that her son died. She told Cooper that while she is convinced of Zimmerman’s guilt, she does not
believe that he picked her son out because he was black. 

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trayvon-martins-stepmother-speaks-out-i-dont-think-zimmerman-picked-him-out-because-he-was-black/

Video is in 2 parts.

[islandmonkey]

The picture they are moaning about

I love how some jumped to conclusion wrt this photo and how it was making fun of W8, it was posted prior to when she was even on the stand....but that doesn't fit the narrative. No matter what our kids do stupid things and she should have never posted anything because it will be picked apart by the MSM...but just like my daughter who's 21, they don't always listen to us and are impulsive. 

[alagary]

The same people that are up in arms about a instagram by a defense teams daughter will be saying the deleted drunk and drug addled tweets by the states "star witness" don't mean anything.
 Oh and she says she speaks three languages, if I was West i would ask her what is the capital of Haiti? Watch dem eyes roll!

[sunshine12]

ooooo i like don west even more now, our daughters have the same name

anyway, in response to red's question, i think the state proved GZ innocent so far.  I have never seen a case with so much reasonable doubt before it's disturbing.  They should ask for a directed verdict after the state is done, but the judge would never agree to that.  Angela Corey is a disgrace and this case should never have been brought.  The whole charging document was based on Rachel/Dee Dee/Diamond's words which I believe are tainted as she was questioned in an inappropriate setting.  In fact, I think the prosecution, crump et al, should all face sanctions because of this.  It is a MAJOR conflict of interest. 

as a parent, i completely sympathize with the Martin's but George acted within the law when he defended himself from Trayvon clearly attacking him and anything less than a not guilty verdict is a miscarriage of justice.

if he is found guilty of anything, it will come back on appeal.  this judge has made several errors