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Author Topic: Trial of George Zimmerman in the Death of Trayvon Martin #7 7/9/2013-7/11/13  (Read 278153 times)
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« Reply #400 on: July 10, 2013, 08:04:11 AM »

July 10, 2013 Tweets

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After a contentious end to the animation reenactment hearing last night, Judge Nelson pushed court's start time back to 9am. #Zimmermanon9
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« Reply #401 on: July 10, 2013, 08:15:42 AM »

I was just browsing through the "Documents in the Case" support thread and there's some interesting things in there to review.  Also, if anyone has anything they can add for future reference, it's appreciated.  I find it's much easier to have a discussion concerning the points of the case if we have information available to support opinions and argue on the merits of the case with basis. JMHO

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=12967.msg1518432#msg1518432
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« Reply #402 on: July 10, 2013, 08:15:54 AM »

I might just go ahead and cuss and raise heck on here today. You can't prove it was me at the keyboard.
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« Reply #403 on: July 10, 2013, 08:16:13 AM »

Reading through here this morning...it hit me like a BRICK why I have stayed away from this case.  Purely political.  It is not okay to attack Zimmerman's character and leave Martin's as the sweet little baby angel...if it is possible that he was involved in more or had the potential to do harm...because that COULD have been Zimmerman's DEFENSE.  COULD HAVE BEEN.  So, with open minds....
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« Reply #404 on: July 10, 2013, 08:43:11 AM »

I might just go ahead and cuss and raise heck on here today. You can't prove it was me at the keyboard.

haha same!!!!!
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« Reply #405 on: July 10, 2013, 08:44:58 AM »

i personally think the defense should just be able to use the animation as a demonstrative aide in their closing arguments.  the judge needs to allow the text messages or this is getting reversed.  the case law, which can be found on www.legalinsurrection.com is clear as day and i suggest people check it out if interested.  My only question is, if she denies the defenses motion to enter the texts, can they immediately appeal to the appeals court or do they wait until their is a verdict?
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« Reply #406 on: July 10, 2013, 08:52:36 AM »

I might just go ahead and cuss and raise heck on here today. You can't prove it was me at the keyboard.

haha same!!!!!

Either the rules of evidence are woefully inadequate to deal with technology or this judge is extremely naïve or ignorant to what a double password is and the intent as to why some one would have such a set up.

Many individuals have no password on their phones. I don't suggest that but if that was the case then I would agree with the fact that anyone could have sent the texts.

However, when an individual has not one, but two and an app that funnels texts to a different database in a phone ... then the intent is to hide such texts and there is no way another individual would have that pw. The reason why you do this is to hide the texts to be only from you. 

I would not be surprised, depending on what the verdict is in this case if that is not an appeal issue.

One last thing ... if TM had such a propensity to fighting, sorry ... there is no way he was afraid of George Zimmerman. It is more likely that TV would have confronted GZ, not backed away from him. It is a travesty that TM's past does not come in because it tells a jury what his mindset most likely was at the time. JMO.
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« Reply #407 on: July 10, 2013, 08:53:28 AM »

MuffyBee, I will be posting for an hour then I have to leave.  I will return at 2:00 p.m. Florida time. 
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« Reply #408 on: July 10, 2013, 09:00:39 AM »

MuffyBee, I will be posting for an hour then I have to leave.  I will return at 2:00 p.m. Florida time. 


Okay grace-land.  If I can pick up the slack I will.  I will be leaving in about 40 minutes (8:35 a.m. cst) and will be away hopefully no more than an hour and I'll be posting tweets after that.  If it wasn't  a long standing appointment, I would move it.   
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« Reply #409 on: July 10, 2013, 09:00:44 AM »

I might just go ahead and cuss and raise heck on here today. You can't prove it was me at the keyboard.

haha same!!!!!

Either the rules of evidence are woefully inadequate to deal with technology or this judge is extremely naïve or ignorant to what a double password is and the intent as to why some one would have such a set up.

Many individuals have no password on their phones. I don't suggest that but if that was the case then I would agree with the fact that anyone could have sent the texts.

However, when an individual has not one, but two and an app that funnels texts to a different database in a phone ... then the intent is to hide such texts and there is no way another individual would have that pw. The reason why you do this is to hide the texts to be only from you.  

I would not be surprised, depending on what the verdict is in this case if that is not an appeal issue.

One last thing ... if TM had such a propensity to fighting, sorry ... there is no way he was afraid of George Zimmerman. It is more likely that TV would have confronted GZ, not backed away from him. It is a travesty that TM's past does not come in because it tells a jury what his mindset most likely was at the time. JMO.

I have followed Legal Insurrection for years and have linked to it on numerous occasions on SM.com. It is a great site.

http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/07/zimmerman-judge-needs-to-read-this-case-on-authentication-of-text-messages//#more

A reader forwarded to me the case of State v. Lumarque, 44 So.3d 171, Fla.App. 3 Dist.,2010, in which a Florida appeals court reversed a trial court’s decision to exclude text messages on authentication grounds.  Here’s the pertinent part of the holding (emphasis mine):


On the appeal, we conclude the trial court abused its discretion by concluding that exhibits 5-9 and 11-15 are not admissible in the trial of this case. The State sought to admit into evidence two sexually suggestive images and eleven text messages between the ex-wife and a boyfriend, found on the defendant’s cellular telephone. The ex-wife testified that prior to the assault by the defendant, he showed her the two images and one of the text messages. There also is evidence in the record from which one might infer the defendant examined the ex-wife’s cellular telephone on the morning or afternoon before the alleged incident when he was alone in the house for a brief period after returning their children back to his ex-wife’s home.

At an in limine hearing, the trial court found the two images and one text message the ex-wife testified to admissible, but concluded the remaining exhibits inadmissible as the ex-wife could not authenticate them. The court erred. The images and text messages were found on the defendant’s cellular telephone, seized pursuant to a search of the defendant’s home through a warrant shortly after the alleged incident. This fact, testified by the State’s forensics expert, is sufficient to authenticate these exhibits. U.S. v. Caldwell, 776 F.2d 989, 1001-02 (11th Cir.1985) (holding that authentication of evidence merely requires a finding that the evidence is what it purports to be). It also is immaterial that the ex-wife could not identify each of the messages being shown to her on the night of the incident. Regardless how these images and text messages might have found their way onto the defendant’s cellular telephone, the State has presented sufficient evidence at this stage that these exhibits constitute evidence of motive. Craig v. State, 510 So.2d 857, 863 (Fla.1987) (stating that evidence of motive is admissible when it would help the jury understand other evidence). Accordingly, they are admissible into evidence at the trial of this case upon the State laying the proper predicates as indicated by this opinion….
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« Reply #410 on: July 10, 2013, 09:01:46 AM »

July 10, 2013 Tweets

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Lawyers start at the bench.

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Court is back in session. #georgezimmerman #trayvonmartin
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« Reply #411 on: July 10, 2013, 09:02:31 AM »

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#Trayvon's parents are in the c-room, #GeorgeZimmerman at defense table. Special Prosecutor Angela Corey in her usual spot in the gallery.
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Judge Nelson arrives, #ZimmermanTrial back in session. Watch: http://bit.ly/11wpinH  #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin

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Zimmerman trial: Rulings expected, defense could rest. Video, chat: http://thesent.nl/1949HRJ . Frequently updated story: http://thesent.nl/152kM35
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« Reply #412 on: July 10, 2013, 09:03:54 AM »

MuffyBee, I will be posting for an hour then I have to leave.  I will return at 2:00 p.m. Florida time. 


Okay grace-land.  If I can pick up the slack I will.  I will be leaving in about 40 minutes (8:35 a.m. cst) and will be away hopefully no more than an hour and I'll be posting tweets after that.  If it wasn't  a long standing appointment, I would move it.   

Thanks for the quick response!
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« Reply #413 on: July 10, 2013, 09:06:35 AM »

MuffyBee, I will be posting for an hour then I have to leave.  I will return at 2:00 p.m. Florida time. 


Okay grace-land.  If I can pick up the slack I will.  I will be leaving in about 40 minutes (8:35 a.m. cst) and will be away hopefully no more than an hour and I'll be posting tweets after that.  If it wasn't  a long standing appointment, I would move it.   

Thanks for the quick response!


You're welcome.  I have a feeling Judge Nelson isn't going to allow for delays, so there might be a lot going on. 
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« Reply #414 on: July 10, 2013, 09:07:34 AM »

July 10, 2013 Tweets
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Sidebar is over. Might be time for animation/texts rulings. #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin #ZimmermanTrial

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@CClampit Court's back in session, no rulings yet.
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« Reply #415 on: July 10, 2013, 09:07:44 AM »

July 10, 2013 Tweets

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There was no evidence to support that accusation. 2/2 #Zimmermanon9

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Casey  Anthony's attorney was allowed to accuse her father of raping her even though the judge and everyone else knew 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

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Could be reversed on appeal if #Zimmermanon9 is convicted and thete could have to be a second trial. It's the theory of defense.

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@kathic1016 Live stream: http://at.wftv.com/15QGYxF  | Blog: http://at.wftv.com/14ORrY3  #Zimmermanon9
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WFTV legal analyst says if Circuit Judge Debra Nelson does not allow Trayvon's fighting history in as evidence.. She 1/2 #Zimmermanon9

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Court is in session and they're at the bench. #Zimmermanon9

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Attorneys are at the bench talking to Judge Nelson, who walked into the courtroom this morning smiling. #Zimmermanon9
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« Reply #416 on: July 10, 2013, 09:09:28 AM »

I'm also keeping a window open and reading Andrew Branca's tweets:  https://twitter.com/lawselfdefense although I'm not posting them.
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« Reply #417 on: July 10, 2013, 09:11:16 AM »

ooo the defense is using the lemarque case!!!! i know someone on www.legalinsurrection.com emailed MOM the case info
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« Reply #418 on: July 10, 2013, 09:11:47 AM »

July 10, 2013 Tweets

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@kathic1016 No problem. You can bookmark them for the rest of #Zimmermanon9 coverage.
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The judge appears to be reading something at the bench. The jury is not in court yet. #Zimmermanon9

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A couple of the judge's friends are here in court today. #Zimmermanon9

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VIDEO: See the contentious late-night end to last night's animation reenactment hearing: http://at.wftv.com/173Xrz8  #Zimmermanon9
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« Reply #419 on: July 10, 2013, 09:12:00 AM »

OMG she isn't letting the phone in, REVERSIBLE error.  im sorry but this judge is so off the mark its ridiculous. 
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