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Author Topic: Trial of George Zimmerman in the Death of Trayvon Martin - NOT GUILTY #9 7/15/13  (Read 469861 times)
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« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2013, 05:30:36 PM »

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Only4RM ‏@Only4RM 1h
@JeffWeinerOS Can you confirm whether B37 was 1 of 2 jurors rejected by the State but empaneled by the judge per Defense Batson challenge?

 Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 55m
@Only4RM No, the two state strikes Judge Nelson overruled were E-6 and B-76.

 Only4RM ‏@Only4RM 51m
@JeffWeinerOS Sorry for bothering you but do you have notes on whether State has objections to B37? Was she considered after  Batson issues?

 Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 43m
@Only4RM Neither side attempted to strike B-37. No objections from the state.

 PeggyAnn Holt ‏@pannholt 14m
@JeffWeinerOS @Only4RM Who were the 2 that prosecution Tried to strike Then?  When I watched was sure she was 1 of them?

 Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 9m
@pannholt @Only4RM Defense challenged 4 state strikes: B-12, B-86, E-6, B-76. Judge Nelson overruled state strikes of E-6 & B-76.
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@JeffWeinerOS @Only4RM Thank you Jeff
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« Reply #61 on: July 16, 2013, 05:31:11 PM »

Who's on first?   
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« Reply #62 on: July 16, 2013, 05:34:47 PM »

I will agree with Holder on one issue - there is no need for stand your ground laws. It is the INALIENABLE right of every creature to defend themselves. Even an amoeba - who has no "brain" - will swim away from painful things that could hurt it. But it is wrong to allow humans to do the same?  If someone attacks you, as a human being, you are and should be allowed to use the force necessary to defend yourself and your family (and any other innocent people). Amazing to me that the same people who expect the general taxpaying public to provide everything for "poor" people do not want to allow self defense.
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« Reply #63 on: July 16, 2013, 05:53:18 PM »

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@JeffWeinerOS What was the Attorneys name who was the Defense's Jury Consultant? Is he local? @Only4RM

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@pannholt @Only4RM Robert Hirschhorn. Not local, based in Texas.
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« Reply #64 on: July 16, 2013, 05:57:23 PM »

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If #TrayvonMartin's parents sue #GeorgeZimmerman they face a possible deal breaker, SYG. Story: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-civil-immunity-20130716,0,981705.story
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Problems for Trayvon Martin civil suit: 'Stand your ground'
July 16, 2013

If Trayvon Martin's parents file a lawsuit against George Zimmerman, they face a huge obstacle: Florida's "stand your ground" law.

That much-debated statute provides immunity not just against criminal charges but also against civil suits.

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon's parents, would not say Tuesday what their plans are.


"We're not even thinking about it right now," he said. Parents Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton "are still trying to deal with the tragedy of this verdict."

A six-member jury acquitted Zimmerman, a 29-year-old Neighborhood Watch volunteer, July 13 after listening to three weeks of testimony, concluding he did not commit a crime when he shot and killed the unarmed black 17-year-old.


But on Feb. 22 — months before the criminal trial — Crump attorney Bruce Blackwell told Circuit Judge Debra S. Nelson that the family intends to sue. Theirs would most likely be a wrongful death claim or one alleging negligence.

Central Florida defense attorneys said Tuesday that just because Zimmerman was acquitted, that does not mean he won't be sued, but it does indicate the evidence weighs in his favor.

If Zimmerman is sued in this case, a judge would determine whether "stand your ground" applies. If the judge rules it does, Zimmerman would be released from liability. If the judge rules against that claim, the case would be tried before a jury.

Moments after Zimmerman was found not guilty, defense attorney Mark O'Mara said, "If someone believes it's appropriate to sue George Zimmerman, then we will seek and we will get immunity in a civil hearing, and we will see just how many civil lawsuits will be spawned by this fiasco."

That was a reference to a "stand your ground" hearing, one not yet held in this case.

Although O'Mara said shortly after the shooting that Zimmerman would challenge his criminal prosecution under that statute, defense attorneys ran out of time and opted to simply take the case to a jury.

The statute, enacted in Florida in 2005, provides criminal and civil immunity to anyone who uses deadly force if he has a reasonable fear of imminent death or great bodily injury.

O'Mara contends his client did, that he shot Trayvon Feb. 26, 2012, in Sanford after the Miami Gardens teenager knocked him to the ground with a punch that broke his nose then climbed on top and began banging his head against a sidewalk.
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« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2013, 06:16:08 PM »

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@MarkNeJame @scs0003 so instead of blaming the state prosecutors you should go question Judge Nelson why she denied the acquittal then!

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@CATEYES387 @scs0003 Judge has no ability to deny an acquittal. Not permitted or legal. State handled things poorly w charging Murder 2
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« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2013, 06:18:34 PM »

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@MarkNeJame @scs0003 overcharging is just crazy! Judge Nelson ruled that there was enough evidence for a M2 conviction!

 Mark NeJame ‏@MarkNeJame 6m
@CATEYES387 @scs0003 Judgment of acquittal JOA is rarely granted.Simply means state put on enough to go to jury. State had failed strategy
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« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2013, 06:33:39 PM »

"Stand your ground"  "Castle law"   "Stay off my lawn"
Beat my head on a sidewalk and me and your next of kin can debate till the cows come home.

I've been listening to commentary on the radio.  Some folks seem to think that Zimmerman stepped over the line when he asked Martin a question.  In their mind, this made Zimmerman the aggressor.

The host suggested that in this country, we have the right to ask questions. 

How many have been solicited in cities large and small (Seattle, Chicago, New York) by pan handlers? 

IIRC, Obama's white grandmother, was solicited by what what he profiled as an 'aggressive' panhandler who was black.  Being scared, she was apparently afraid to go to work or take the bus or something.  Obama, iirc, used this incident to label her a 'racist' - something about noticing his own blackness and comparing it to the panhandler.

Maybe Martin was a racist too?

What doesn't he seem to have noticed?  Learned?  Did she turn around and beat the pulp out of the panhandler?  Take offense at his asking a question? 

Was Zimmerman like that panhandler Obama's white grandmother faced decades ago?  Would grandma have beaten the tar out of him?


What of other homeless people?  Panhandlers?  Marketers at the mall?  Over the phone? 

When did asking questions become a bad thing?

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« Reply #68 on: July 16, 2013, 07:47:45 PM »

7/16/13   
Ivy League professor calls God a 'racist' after Zimmerman verdict
 



An Ivy League professor blogged after George Zimmerman was found not guilty of murdering Trayvon Martin that the verdict shows God is a “white racist” who stalks “young black men.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/16/upenn-professor-goes-on-blog-rant-over-zimmerman-verdict-claims-god-is-white/

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« Reply #69 on: July 16, 2013, 07:49:52 PM »

Don't miss the Dana Pretzer show tonight at 9pm ET: 



Link to the show will be posted on the front page of scaredmonkeys.com in about 30 -40 minutes.
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« Reply #70 on: July 16, 2013, 07:53:49 PM »

Interesting article imo

http://www.cbs8.com/story/22858347/la-to-deploy-more-police-to-prevent-disturbances

Feds to sift through evidence in Zimmerman case
Posted: Jul 16, 2013 6:15 PM CDT Updated: Jul 16, 2013 6:15 PM CDT   
 
MIAMI (AP) — The Justice Department will sift through trial testimony, interviews and other evidence during what is likely to be a months-long investigation into whether George Zimmerman violated Trayvon Martin's civil rights when he shot the black teenager.

The key to charging Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch volunteer, lies in whether evidence exists that he was motivated by racial animosity to kill Martin, who was 17 when he was shot during a fight with Zimmerman in February 2012. And while Martin's family has said the teen was racially profiled, no evidence surfaced during the state trial that Zimmerman had a racial bias.

Former Miami federal prosecutor David S. Weinstein says it will likely be months before a decision is made on whether to bring charges.

Zimmerman, 29, was acquitted of second-degree murder and manslaughter charges after claiming he fired his weapon in self-defense only after Martin attacked him. His friends and family have repeatedly denied he harbored racial animosity toward blacks. Florida did not use its own hate crime laws against Zimmerman.
 
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« Reply #71 on: July 16, 2013, 10:11:00 PM »

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WFTV Eyewitness News ‏@WFTV  3m 
Members of #Zimmerman jury release letter about Juror #B37, say views were her own http://at.wftv.com/14XCSEw
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Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV  17m 
The statement came from 4 other jurors. B29 did not join in the statement. #Zimmermanon9

Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV  23m 
Other jurors say in letter B37 voiced her own opinions not theirs, they followed the law and need time before speaking. #Zimmermanon9

Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV  46m 
The defense admitted that looking back either #Zimmermanon9 or Martin could have walked away and Martin would be alive.

Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV  48m 
The defense just said that Jeantel never mentioned Martin was afraid of #Zimmermanon9 until the defense deposed her and the trial.

Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV  49m 
Rachel Jeantel says she never talked to Martin about guns but their texts show otherwise. #Zimmermanon9

Kathi Belich, WFTV ‏@KBelichWFTV  3h 
How a Tweet (or Several) Broke Juror #B37's Book Deal: http://at.wftv.com/15jOkJC  via @SarahAslamWFTV @storify #ZimmermanOn9
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« Reply #72 on: July 16, 2013, 10:52:42 PM »

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Orlando Sentinel ‏@orlandosentinel 7m
George Zimmerman juror says Zimmerman's testimony would not have made a difference in verdict - see interview video | http://thesent.nl/11ViYfo
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 Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 25m
We have now heard from five #Zimmerman jurors. Still haven't heard from B-29, the sole minority juror on the panel. #GeorgeZimmerman

 Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 27m
These 4 say B-37's remarks to @AndersonCooper were her own, "not in any way representative" of this group: http://twitdoc.com/26OH  #Zimmerman

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Statement from 4 #Zimmerman jurors, asking for privacy: http://twitdoc.com/26OH  Say they did what law "required us to do." #GeorgeZimmerman
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« Reply #73 on: July 16, 2013, 11:07:33 PM »

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The Undersheriff says Sanford is strong and stable as a community and is an example to others pic.twitter.com/5ldg7exTH4
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« Reply #74 on: July 16, 2013, 11:13:53 PM »

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Four Zimmerman jurors: B-37 does not speak for us | http://thesent.nl/11VkE8C
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4 Zimmerman jurors: B-37 does not speak for us
July 16, 2013

Four of the jurors in the George Zimmerman trial issued a statement late Tuesday saying that juror B-37, the first to speak out in the media, does not speak for them.

"We, the undersigned jurors, understand there is a great deal of interest in this case. But we ask you to remember that we are not public officials and we did not invite this type of attention into our lives. We also wish to point out that the opinions of Juror B-37, expressed on the Anderson Cooper show were her own, and not in any way representative of the jurors listed below," the four jurors wrote.

The statement was released about an hour after B-37 gave the second part of a two-part interview to CNN's Anderson Cooper explaining how the jury reached a verdict in the murder case and sharing her thoughts on the case. The first segment aired Monday.

The four jurors also appealed for privacy.
 
The sixth juror, whose jury number did not appear in the list of those who signed the document, was the only minority on the panel. She is described as black or Hispanic and married with children. She lived in Chicago when the shooting happened.
 
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« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2013, 11:47:13 PM »

Klaas, will the radio show be on podcast? I missed it...
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« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2013, 11:59:49 PM »

7/16/13     Zimmerman Juror Decides Not To Write Book About Trial
 


“I realize it was necessary for our jury to be sequestered in order to protest our verdict from unfair outside influence, but that isolation shielded me from the depth of pain that exists among the general public over every aspect of this case. The potential book was always intended to be a respectful observation of the trial from my and my husband’s perspectives solely and it was to be an observation that our ‘system’ of justice can get so complicated that it creates a conflict with our ‘spirit’ of justice.

Now that I am returned to my family and to society in general, I have realized that the best direction for me to go is away from writing any sort of book and return instead to my life as it was before I was called to sit on this jury.”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/zimmerman-juror-decides-not-to-write-a-book

good i was suspicious, of such an agreement so soon after the verdict
i had posted last thread, an offer like that BD pre verdict,could sway a vote
IDK if that was the case, but if the BD goes/or had gone through
JMO would/should  be investegated

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« Reply #77 on: July 17, 2013, 12:53:55 AM »

Plz disregard above post... I found it !!!
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« Reply #78 on: July 17, 2013, 02:25:20 AM »

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-george-zimmerman-doj-investigation,0,4338518.story

DOJ solicits email tips in Zimmerman civil rights probe
12:00 p.m. EDT, July 16, 2013

The U.S. Department of Justice on Monday afternoon appealed to civil rights groups and community leaders, nationally and in Sanford, for help investigating whether a federal criminal case might be brought against George Zimmerman for the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, one advocate said.

The DOJ has also set up a public email address to take in tips on its civil rights investigation.

Barbara Arnwine, president and executive director the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law – who earlier in the day joined calls for federal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, said that later in the afternoon, she joined a U.S. Department of Justice conference call to discuss the prospects.

“They were calling on us to actively refer anyone who had any information,” that might build a case against Zimmerman for either a civil rights violation or a hate crime, Arnwine said. “They said they would very aggressively investigate this case.”

Arnwine said the call was convened at about 3:30 p.m. by Tom Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice, and included representatives from the FBI, and several federal prosecutors, she said. DOJ officials also said they would open a public email address so people could send in tips on the case.
 
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« Reply #79 on: July 17, 2013, 07:36:57 AM »

http://www.freep.com/article/20130716/NEWS07/307160138/Zimmerman-Trayvon-Martin-Stand-Your-Ground-Sanford-Florida-Protests-Marches-Civil-Rights
Zimmerman rallies in Detroit, other U.S. cities planned for Saturday
They're planned in 100 cities, including Detroit

July 16, 2013

MIAMI — Civil rights leaders said Tuesday that they are planning vigils and rallies in 100 U.S. cities, including Detroit, this weekend to press the federal government to bring charges against a former neighborhood-watch volunteer acquitted in the killing of an unarmed black teenager.
 
“People all across the country will gather to show that we are not having a two- or three-day anger fit. This is a social movement for justice,” Rev. Al Sharpton said as he announced the plan outside the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C.

The rallies and vigils will occur in front of federal buildings at noon Saturday in Detroit, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York and other cities.
 
Sharpton said vigils will be followed by a conference next week in Miami to develop a plan to address the Stand Your Ground law. The law gives people wide latitude to use deadly force if they fear death or bodily harm.

According to a Washington Post report, the law began in Florida in 2005 and has spread to more than 30 other states — including Michigan — as a result of a campaign by the National Rifle Association and a corporate-backed group called the American Legislative Exchange Council, which promotes conservative bills.

The Justice Department has said it is looking into Martin’s death to determine whether federal prosecutors will file criminal civil rights charges against Zimmerman, who is now a free man. His lawyer has told ABC News that his client will get his gun back and intends to arm himself again.

The key to charging Zimmerman lies in whether evidence exists that he was motivated by racial animosity to kill Martin. Martin’s family has said the teen was racially profiled, but no evidence surfaced during the trial that Zimmerman had a racial bias. Zimmerman’s friends and family deny that he harbored animosity toward black people.

Still, supporters of the Justice Department filing civil rights charges said additional evidence could exist in the federal investigation that didn’t come up in the state case.

Beyond the exact language of the law itself, the federal probe must navigate between sensitive racial and political issues that arose when Zimmerman initially wasn’t charged in Martin’s killing.
 
AG criticizes law: Attorney General Eric Holder on Tuesday strongly criticized Stand Your Ground laws that allow a person who believes he or she is in danger to use deadly force. He said it’s time to question laws that “senselessly expand the concept of self-defense.”

Holder also said the nation must take a hard look at laws that contribute to “more violence than they prevent.” Such laws, he said, “try to fix something that was never broken.”

Calif. protests turn violent: In Los Angeles, people ran through streets Monday night in a third night of demonstrations, attacking others, breaking windows and raiding a Walmart, while others blocked a major freeway in the San Francisco Bay area. Fourteen people were arrested. In Oakland, at least one person was injured and nine arrested in a protest.

At a news conference late Monday, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti said the trouble was caused by people exploiting the situation. “The Martin family didn’t ask anybody to break car windows,” he said. “They didn’t ask anybody to take little kids’ scooters. They didn’t ask anybody to attack businesses, and they certainly didn’t say to take over traffic in the streets.”

On Tuesday, Los Angeles police vowed to crack down with quick action and arrests if further disturbances arise.
Juror drops book plan: A juror in the trial said Tuesday she is dropping plans to write about her account of the case. The woman had planned to write the book with her husband, an attorney.

The literary agent, Sharlene Martin, also announced that she had decided to rescind her offer of representation.

The juror said in her statement that being sequestered “shielded me from the depth of pain that exists among the general public over every aspect of this case.”
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