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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway/Stephany Flores Case Discussion #869 3/20/2015 -  (Read 717291 times)
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« Reply #1340 on: September 15, 2017, 07:09:18 PM »

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1342 on: September 15, 2017, 07:41:26 PM »

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« Reply #1344 on: September 15, 2017, 08:02:03 PM »

The Video said that Beth gave a speech last week and someone  who was there said that Beth said that it came back results came back negative
 (Me Blonde ) I have spoken to Beth a few times and met in CT we spent the night talking to so many people we  still keep in touch.  


Beth Holloway brings message of hope to United Way kickoff
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And this Mike Shelton guy must work with Dave Holloway

 

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Karl Mothe Gabriel said in his show last night that they still NEED john. So apparently its not just details, its information. Unfortunately it sounds like the holloways cant just right john off just yet
September 13 at 10:16am

Gabriel Madrigal Karl Mothe correct its not that simple we need his sick ass to recover the rest of her remains if you play him the wrong way he would not give it up trust me I know I worked on him for almost 5 years it was very very hard but we need his sick ass to complete the job completely it isn't a slam dunk not that simple
September 13 at 10:20am Edited

Jaime Paca Karl Mothe...ur profile is funny. Pretty blank. Sure ur not john?
September 13 at 10:25am

Jaime Paca Gabriel...i thought you said, you found her??
September 13 at 10:25am

Karl Mothe Private isn't funny
September 13 at 10:26am

Mike Shelton Gabriel Madrigal Then what Gabe? What's your plan for your friend John?
September 13 at 10:26am

Jaime Paca Did Karl Mothe block me, or did john erase his fake profile??? Gabriel...i thought you said you did in fact find her??...right?
September 13 at 10:40am Edited

Mike Shelton Jaime Paca That's what he's been saying for weeks.
September 13 at 10:41am

Jaime Paca I know. So im just confused as to why anyone needs dumbass john ludwick for anymore.
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Mike Shelton Jaime Paca Scam
September 13 at 10:42am

Jaime Paca Probably. I wldnt give a single penny to John ludwick.
September 13 at 10:43am

Amber Brown That Karl seems like a fake profile
September 13 at 10:43am

Mike Shelton Jaime Paca I can tell you have reservations about Gabe as well.
September 13 at 10:43am

Mike Shelton Amber Brown Without a doubt it's fake, part of the scam.
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Jaime Paca I dont have reservations abt gabriel. I think what he has done is amazing. Im just confused why we need john anymore if Gabriel found natalee.
September 13 at 10:44am

Jaime Paca Help me understand Gabriel Madrigal
September 13 at 10:46am

Gabriel Madrigal Mike Shelton see when you go to war you do not see your tactics or actions that you have planned
September 13 at 10:47am

Mike Shelton Gabriel Madrigal ok
September 13 at 10:48am

Gabriel Madrigal Jaime Paca cause there is more to the story without john we cannot complete it I ran out of funds I cannot continue I get sponsored to continue I have put in almost $400,000 out of my own pocket with nothing in return
September 13 at 10:51am

Mike Shelton Gabriel Madrigal You know that's bullshit Gabe! What $400K?
September 13 at 10:55am

Gabriel Madrigal Mike Shelton so what you are saying is that I'm bullshit. That I didn't put in that much out of my own pocket If this year alone imagine how much money dave Holloway spent and Beth we are talking about millions
September 13 at 11:10am

Mike Shelton I'm not talking about Dave or Beth, I know they have spent lots over the last 12 years. But I can't see where you have done anthing that would've costs $400K or $300K that you were using as your out of pocket costs. Just doesn't add up......
September 13 at 11:17am

Gabriel Madrigal You don't know me and what I have done. For this do don't call me bull shit. Cause you don't have no fu**en idea if it was easy why the hell you didn't grow pair of balls and did it yourself and see how much money you would spend on this but you just want to talk shit and you don't have a ***dam clue if this was easy anybody could of done it not even daves so called PI. Couldn't solve it cause he didn't know shit it had to be me not going to argue with someone that dosent have a clue about what went on. But yea I'm bullshit. I'm the one that found the remains yea I'm bullshit
September 13 at 11:19am

Gabriel Madrigal Trips to casinos paying his debts getting him out of trouble you don't have a clue a clue this wasent easy
September 13 at 11:21am

Jaime Paca At the end of the day, i pray dave and beth can bury their little girl. What these people did to natalee is sick and heartbreaking. They dont need the sick and twisted details. Just peace.
September 13 at 11:24am

Gabriel Madrigal Mike Shelton to worked on john was all about spending money. Make him your best friend. At the end you pay for information cause all that cost a fortune. But it was well worth it cause he took me were the remains were at you don't have a clue about what went on you just don't ask dave how much was spent in 2 months he will tell you you guys obviously work on the same team you work for State Farm then add that on almost 5 years. I don't have no reason to lie But you know more than me when you don't have a clue
September 13 at 11:27am

Mike Shelton Gabriel Madrigal Wow you get testy when called out! You're right, I don't have a clue, but I know a scam when I see it and I see one here!
September 13 at 11:29am

Gabriel Madrigal Mike Shelton ok ok how am I a scam lol I never got paid for shit lol So how can I be a scam
September 13 at 11:32am

Mike Shelton Gabriel Madrigal Are you not trying to get money now for the discovery of the rest of her remains? Was this info not intentionally withheld for an eventual payday?
September 13 at 11:34am

Gabriel Madrigal Ok ok I wasent going to say this but the ones that got paid were dave Holloway and TJ Ward. So who is a scam they got contracts with the network who is doing it for the money
September 13 at 11:34am

Gabriel Madrigal Mike Shelton ha no we're am I going to be paid from who lol. She was declared dead back in 2012 so no reward money if I was doing it for that I would look very stupid.
September 13 at 11:35am

Jaime Paca Gabriel, dont you think you can earn money another way? Like, write a book, do another documentary on your own abt how you uncovered all this. Dont place any blame on Natalee's family, please. That isnt right.
September 13 at 11:39am

Gabriel Madrigal Sorry this guy pisst me off dave got paid cause he was going to loose work so that's understandable I didn't mean it in any harm way sorry if I did
September 13 at 11:43am

Alberta Hummel Gabe most people who work undercover understand how costly it can be ...you had to buy John Ludwick everything from hotels to his fix ...you had to take him to Aruba it's not like you could investigate this in Florida....John isn't easy to deal with but you did ...and you helped crack a cold case do not apologize for wanting reimbursement....you worked you should be paid
September 13 at 12:07pm

Alberta Hummel Mike Shelton would you work undercover for five years with no pay? I doubt it and Jamie ...gabe isn't being rude toward Dave he's stating facts
September 13 at 12:09pm

Jaime Paca I understand dave likely got paid. But that money is long gone, im sure, as he has searched 12 yrs for his daughter. I just want her to be home and laid to rest in peace. I pray gabe can help them do that.
September 13 at 12:11pm

Kimberly DuPont Thing is... John's never gonna have anyone or anything decent in his life again if he doesn't give Natalee's remains to her family, with no strings attached. As it stands, he's looking like a bottom feeder. Bottom feeders attract other bottom feeders. But, I would swear I can sometimes "hear" a bit of John's morality left in his voice. Not sure it's real or just my imagination. Guess John will show us through his next actions - is he a bottom feeder or is he a guy who has a bit of decency left in his soul...?
September 13 at 12:11pm

Gabriel Madrigal Jaime Paca i am I started this and we have to finish it the goal here is to bring her back to the USA were she belongs
September 13 at 12:12pm

Alberta Hummel John is a bottom feeder with no bottom ...he thinks his demeanor is cool ...he's not cool he's a fool putting a price on his head ...someone's gonna end him
September 13 at 12:13pm

Gabriel Madrigal Alberta Hummel agree
September 13 at 12:13pm

Alberta Hummel I'm sorry Gabriel Madrigal for jumping in this but it pisses me off reading people call you a scam...you busted your ass and soul for five years to bring closure ...nobody else would work for free for five years ...sorry but I call bullshit on anyone who says they would
September 13 at 12:16pm

Nicholle Shawki Gabriel Madrigal block that asshole Mike. He is Dave's friend and will never see truth if it slapped him in his face
September 13 at 12:29pm

Alberta Hummel Mike Shelton I asked you a question...would you work for five years for free? Pro Bono?
September 13 at 12:36pm

Nicholle Shawki He won't answer you cause he is a fraud
September 13 at 12:36pm

Meagan Porter-Nix Dont block Mike Shelton gabe as you have nothing to hide. He either gets it or he dont. That simple. Some just truly cant wrap their heads around someone helping another out without compensation of some kind. Which indeed shows his true character. Unfo...See More
September 13 at 12:48pm Edited

Beth Caves Gabriel....why didn't you block him? That's the guy I told you that he is good friends with Dave!
September 13 at 1:04pm

 

Tincie Wicks Turner I'm thinking the remains behind johns aunts house was something john did as a trophy or for his own proof.. the rest of her body is buried elsewhere. When the DNA comes bank that it's Natalee I have no doubt Dave would fund a trip to Aruba to bring his daughter home. John is looking really bad, probably better do it quick before the moron overdoses.
September 13 at 3:22pm

Gabriel Madrigal Tincie Wicks Turner bingo
September 13 at 3:23pm

 

Christine Adams Gabriel Madrigal I believe you but if you found the remains why do we still need John?
September 13 at 10:44pm

Gabriel Madrigal Christine Adams cause what if it's close to the area and he didn't tell me exactly I don't trust him on that that's why we still need him
September 13 at 11:31pm

Christine Adams Gabriel Madrigal what does that mean? If it's close to the area? (Her remains?) What area? (Her last resting place?) I know we are all asking a ton of questions! I do wish they had just told us. I didn't really understand the series. I remember the when Natalee disappeared I watched Greta every night on Fox News and just prayed and prayed they would find her. I can only assume they are making money from advertisers as they gain more interest in that docuseries. But will there be more episodes after the 6th one?
Yesterday at 6:17am Edited

Gabriel Madrigal Christine Adams honestly I don't see them putting so much into two episodes I just don't see it
Yesterday at 7:51am

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1346 on: September 15, 2017, 08:20:32 PM »

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« Reply #1347 on: September 15, 2017, 08:40:34 PM »

The Video said that Beth gave a speech last week and someone told Gabe that Beth said that it came back results came back negative
 (Me Blonde ) I have spoken to Beth a few times and met in CT we spent the night talking to so many people we  still keep in touch. 
I don't NOT believe she would  share this information with anyone if it was true

Beth Holloway brings message of hope to United Way kickoff
http://www.gulfcoastnewstoday.com/stories/beth-holloway-brings-message-of-hope-to-united-way-kickoff,53004
Posted Friday, September 8, 2017 9:06 am
BY John Underwood

I call BS on this information that

 Do you have a link where this was said I need proof sorry been doing this too long I need facts
Mary Ann Clifton No, Gabe said on the video that a friend had told him that she had said it at a speaking arrangement she had. So I was just asking what he thought

And this Mike Shelton guy must work with Dave Holloway
I'm thinking he told this to Gabe
 
Gabe things OX  and TJ  are  going to go for part 2 for the money and not tell us anything

Any thoughts on this 


I heard Gabe say that about Beth on one of the live videos when he was still going public.
I don't know but seriously doubt she's signed any release with Oxygen that would prevent her from speaking if she chooses.
Looks to me as if Gabe and John are still going for the money in a tease for the rest of the remains.
What is it other than extortion since it's not an "undercover" sting anymore?!!!
If John has the information, why do they still need Gabe?
Buncha BS imo.

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1349 on: September 15, 2017, 08:49:54 PM »

The Video said that Beth gave a speech last week and someone told Gabe that Beth said that it came back results came back negative


 (Me Blonde ) I have spoken to Beth a few times and met in CT we spent the night talking to so many people we  still keep in touch.  
I don't NOT believe she would  share this information with anyone if it was true

Beth Holloway brings message of hope to United Way kickoff
http://www.gulfcoastnewstoday.com/stories/beth-holloway-brings-message-of-hope-to-united-way-kickoff,53004
Posted Friday, September 8, 2017 9:06 am
BY John Underwood


And this Mike Shelton guy must work with Dave Holloway

 


I heard Gabe say that about Beth on one of the live videos when he was still going public.
I don't know but seriously doubt she's signed any release with Oxygen that would prevent her from speaking if she chooses.
Looks to me as if Gabe and John are still going for the money in a tease for the rest of the remains.
What is it other than extortion since it's not an "undercover" sting anymore?!!!
If John has the information, why do they still need Gabe?
Buncha BS imo.

 


 john will only talk To gabe was my though who knows my head is spinning
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The Video said that Beth gave a speech last week and someone sais that Beth said that it came back results came back negative

 They didn't do it right. So they must be doing it again
 (Me Blonde ) I have spoken to Beth a few times and met in CT we spent the night talking to so many people we  still keep in touch.  
I don't NOT believe she would  share this information with anyone.. JMO
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The Video said that Beth gave a speech last week and someone told Gabe that Beth said that it came back results came back negative
 (Me Blonde ) I have spoken to Beth a few times and met in CT we spent the night talking to so many people we  still keep in touch. 
I don't NOT believe she would  share this information with anyone if it was true

Beth Holloway brings message of hope to United Way kickoff
http://www.gulfcoastnewstoday.com/stories/beth-holloway-brings-message-of-hope-to-united-way-kickoff,53004
Posted Friday, September 8, 2017 9:06 am
BY John Underwood

I call BS on this information that

 Do you have a link where this was said I need proof sorry been doing this too long I need facts
Mary Ann Clifton No, Gabe said on the video that a friend had told him that she had said it at a speaking arrangement she had. So I was just asking what he thought

And this Mike Shelton guy must work with Dave Holloway
I'm thinking he told this to Gabe
 
Gabe things OX  and TJ  are  going to go for part 2 for the money and not tell us anything

Any thoughts on this 


I heard Gabe say that about Beth on one of the live videos when he was still going public.
I don't know but seriously doubt she's signed any release with Oxygen that would prevent her from speaking if she chooses.
Looks to me as if Gabe and John are still going for the money in a tease for the rest of the remains.
What is it other than extortion since it's not an "undercover" sting anymore?!!!
If John has the information, why do they still need Gabe?
Buncha BS imo.

 


 john will only talk To gabe was my though who knows my head is spinning

That makes no sense to me unless they've been in on it together from the beginning and the undercover crap was all smoke and mirrors.  Which is what I've sensed all along.

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« Reply #1352 on: September 15, 2017, 09:41:03 PM »

It's all crap. Gabe would have not worked for 5 years for no payday guarantee. If he did ... God bless him, but  I doubt it seriously. If his intentions were solely to find Natalee (as he says he did) - he can provide the remains still today and be a hero. Money will come on it's own. He now appears part of the problem instead of the solution.
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« Reply #1353 on: September 15, 2017, 09:57:37 PM »

It's all crap. Gabe would have not worked for 5 years for no payday guarantee. If he did ... God bless him, but  I doubt it seriously. If his intentions were solely to find Natalee (as he says he did) - he can provide the remains still today and be a hero. Money will come on it's own. He now appears part of the problem instead of the solution.

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« Reply #1354 on: September 15, 2017, 09:58:27 PM »

TEAM NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

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« Reply #1355 on: September 15, 2017, 10:19:40 PM »

It's all crap. Gabe would have not worked for 5 years for no payday guarantee. If he did ... God bless him, but  I doubt it seriously. If his intentions were solely to find Natalee (as he says he did) - he can provide the remains still today and be a hero. Money will come on it's own. He now appears part of the problem instead of the solution.

   except Gabe is saying he doesn't have the exact location of the "rest of the remains" and he's not sure he can trust what John has already told him so he needs a sponsor to help him pay to keep jet setting John in the casinos, trips to Aruba, and bailing him out of his problems for a while...  I guess until that 40 percent truth finally pays off or something like that!

Sounds like Joran doesn't it?   Monkey Devil!

 
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« Reply #1356 on: September 15, 2017, 10:42:22 PM »

Just where is Gabe from? I read somewhere on his site where he called himself a Mexican. If that is so, how did he get a passport to go to Aruba? I also get PEOPLE's Crime edition by email. The way they told the story, the only place Gabe went is to meet Dave and TJ in New Orleans. I think Gabe and John are in this together and it is a total scam.
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Just where is Gabe from? I read somewhere on his site where he called himself a Mexican. If that is so, how did he get a passport to go to Aruba? I also get PEOPLE's Crime edition by email. The way they told the story, the only place Gabe went is to meet Dave and TJ in New Orleans. I think Gabe and John are in this together and it is a total scam.

He calls himself a mexican all the time, he's always late and calls it MST mexican standard time.

I have only tracked him back as far as California, so no idea if he is here legally or not.

I think there was some doubt as to if he could go to Aruba at all because he was still on probation from the drug charge.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14615.msg1614984#msg1614984

But they must have gotten permission somehow, because they did show video of him in Aruba with his girlfriend and John and his girlfriend, and my understanding is that footage was from March.  That was the trip that John supposedly got mad and bailed so no evidence was gathered, and Gabe says he and John went back to Aruba alone at the end of April and that's when Dolph Richardson took the bones from him at the hotel room.

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« Reply #1358 on: September 16, 2017, 10:17:57 AM »

 
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« Reply #1359 on: September 16, 2017, 12:59:53 PM »

Just where is Gabe from? I read somewhere on his site where he called himself a Mexican. If that is so, how did he get a passport to go to Aruba? I also get PEOPLE's Crime edition by email. The way they told the story, the only place Gabe went is to meet Dave and TJ in New Orleans. I think Gabe and John are in this together and it is a total scam.

He calls himself a mexican all the time, he's always late and calls it MST mexican standard time.

I have only tracked him back as far as California, so no idea if he is here legally or not.

I think there was some doubt as to if he could go to Aruba at all because he was still on probation from the drug charge.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14615.msg1614984#msg1614984

But they must have gotten permission somehow, because they did show video of him in Aruba with his girlfriend and John and his girlfriend, and my understanding is that footage was from March.  That was the trip that John supposedly got mad and bailed so no evidence was gathered, and Gabe says he and John went back to Aruba alone at the end of April and that's when Dolph Richardson took the bones from him at the hotel room.



Thanks Texasmom. I still think it is all a scam.
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