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« Reply #1360 on: September 16, 2017, 02:36:15 PM »

JMO, im starting to think the docu, is an example of all the BS Dave has to go
through anytime someone says, hey ive got some good info/proof about Natalee
and prob one of the reasons he doesnt pay informants, b/c its prob a scam for $$
if Dave makes a little $$ to continue his search for Natalee, good for him

when Dave said back in 2015, that the perps had her body removed from the island
i agreed with him then, and i dont think the remains bones found in aruba are 
Natalee. John the jerk prob dug up a grave, (wonder what the laws are in aruba for
desecrating a grave) and has been scamming Gabe the whole time, or they cooked up
the scam together. did Gabe say he met John at a casino?

link to info from 2015
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/05/i_dont_know_how_many_times_ive.html

Dave says working with informant prob talking about Gabe,for 18 months, what did Gabe
say,he worked with John 5 yrs for Johns info, so thats roughly 3 yr, just Gabe & John
i think i smell something in fl. and it stinks
https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/897795135030906880


maybe im wrong, and Dave is done after this investigation/docu.......

Dave Holloway Opens Up About the Closure The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway Stands to Offer Him
by BILLY NILLES | Wed, Aug 16, 2017 7:00 PM
http://www.eonline.com/news/874001/dave-holloway-opens-up-about-the-closure-the-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway-stands-to-offer-him



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« Reply #1361 on: September 16, 2017, 04:38:44 PM »

OK back on track Kermit I need your Brain I have gotten a email asking me to help
Was John Ludwick in Aruba on 2005 was he their to help Joran burrie the body
John & Joran lie all of the time what lie do we believe

in the documentary of Peter R. d. Vries with a hidden camera Joran said he called a friend. That friend said to him: go home, i solve your problem. Than Joran goes home en goes on the Internet. John takes the body and buried the body in the near of his aunts house, in my opinion.
 It's my theory, but i thnk Joran speaks the truth.?


Sorry Blonde it took me so long to reply. Let me do some research and check
my notes about John Ludwick. I'll get back to you.
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« Reply #1362 on: September 16, 2017, 04:40:13 PM »

Just where is Gabe from? I read somewhere on his site where he called himself a Mexican. If that is so, how did he get a passport to go to Aruba? I also get PEOPLE's Crime edition by email. The way they told the story, the only place Gabe went is to meet Dave and TJ in New Orleans. I think Gabe and John are in this together and it is a total scam.

He calls himself a mexican all the time, he's always late and calls it MST mexican standard time.

I have only tracked him back as far as California, so no idea if he is here legally or not.

I think there was some doubt as to if he could go to Aruba at all because he was still on probation from the drug charge.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14615.msg1614984#msg1614984

But they must have gotten permission somehow, because they did show video of him in Aruba with his girlfriend and John and his girlfriend, and my understanding is that footage was from March.  That was the trip that John supposedly got mad and bailed so no evidence was gathered, and Gabe says he and John went back to Aruba alone at the end of April and that's when Dolph Richardson took the bones from him at the hotel room.



Thanks Texasmom. I still think it is all a scam.

You're welcome!  Me too!   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #1363 on: September 16, 2017, 06:59:42 PM »

Hi Blonde,
To answer your question, from what I recall and my notes:

John Ludwick, from what I recall, did not
show up publically until Stephany was murdered
by Joran. Watch this snippet of him on Nancy Grace where
he says that Joran murdered Stephany because
she provoked him into it. [Keep in mind, he has
no knowledge of what went on between Joran and
Stephany, but he has all this nonesense he spills
out blaming Stephany. Compare how he looks
on Nancy Grace's show to how he looks today. If you
ask me, from what I recall about this guy was he
was just someone who was planted into the derailment
of the whole case. He got attention. And I
think he is just a drug addict. Now jump to today, he is running the same
game play - asking for money, pointing fingers and blame.
Refereence:
http://mrmedizin.com/video/vi74MxwzXcXLbrA


Here you can read that John Ludwick blames the victim:

Tiffany Gabbay Jan 11, 2012 9:31 pm:
"Ludwick had earlier defended van der Sloot, saying he didn’t deserve the death penalty and that it was a crime of passion.

“She put herself in the situation Nancy!” Ludwick argued. “As soon as she found out who he was, she should have left, she shouldn’t have started an argument and fighting with him, and being in an isolated area…If I was a woman and I was in her situation I surely wouldn’t have stood around to ask him that question, I would have got out of there.”"
Reference: http://www.theblaze.com/news/2012/01/11/furious-nancy-grace-cuts-off-mic-of-joran-van-der-sloots-friend-during-on-air-interview/



"Y'all remember Joran's friend John Ludwick? " 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDzzLlhFMl4
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14615.780


Jurrien de Jong:
"Holloway says his private investigator talked to Jurrien de Jong over the phone and used a voice analysis tool to test for deception.

“He called me back a day or so later and said, ‘look Dave. This guy is telling the truth,’” said Holloway."
Reference: http://wkrn.com/2015/05/19/dad-cautiously-renews-hope-in-finding-missing-daughter-natalee-holloway/



My opinion: There is a pattern that all these people have no proof of their assertions.



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« Reply #1364 on: September 16, 2017, 07:02:24 PM »

TEAM NATALEE HOLLOWAY & STEPHANY FLORES

END.OF.STORY!


 


YAY team.


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YOU'RE EITHER WITH THEM, OR AGAINST THEM

THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND....

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« Reply #1365 on: September 16, 2017, 07:06:49 PM »

It's all crap. Gabe would have not worked for 5 years for no payday guarantee. If he did ... God bless him, but  I doubt it seriously. If his intentions were solely to find Natalee (as he says he did) - he can provide the remains still today and be a hero. Money will come on it's own. He now appears part of the problem instead of the solution.

   except Gabe is saying he doesn't have the exact location of the "rest of the remains" and he's not sure he can trust what John has already told him so he needs a sponsor to help him pay to keep jet setting John in the casinos, trips to Aruba, and bailing him out of his problems for a while...  I guess until that 40 percent truth finally pays off or something like that!

Sounds like Joran doesn't it?   Monkey Devil!

 

YES it is exactly the lying we have all heard for the past 10 yrs.
Stupid we are not.
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« Reply #1366 on: September 16, 2017, 07:11:46 PM »

OK back on track Kermit I need your Brain I have gotten a email asking me to help
Was John Ludwick in Aruba on 2005 was he their to help Joran burrie the body
John & Joran lie all of the time what lie do we believe

in the documentary of Peter R. d. Vries with a hidden camera Joran said he called a friend. That friend said to him: go home, i solve your problem. Than Joran goes home en goes on the Internet. John takes the body and buried the body in the near of his aunts house, in my opinion.
 It's my theory, but i thnk Joran speaks the truth.?


friend = daddy

His father took care of it just like Papa covered up for Joran all the time.
People have patterns.
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« Reply #1367 on: September 16, 2017, 07:15:51 PM »

Many Christians believe that we are in a very special time and that
there is something getting ready to happen. May G_d watch over you and
bless you all.  an angelic monkey and bring Natalee Holloway home to America
where she belongs.
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« Reply #1368 on: September 16, 2017, 07:51:15 PM »

I just watched ep 5 they said next week it's over
 I'm so pissed
 I took pictures of the bones fragments from my TV  
John doesn't speak clear did he say he burned her head and something else in a cave 150 feet from site.
 I wish their was a transcript I can get
 Aruba police said they were going to handle John but of course never did shit he left Aruba nothing happen to him no questioning nothing Dave was upset  and disappointed again.
 I will have to watch it a few more times
Edit to add John said he & Joran went to get Natalee because Joran was afraid of the new searches that she may be found like the skull in the water and the Jaw bone .
He asked John to help they got up before sun rise and dug her up she was in a burlap bag wrapped in a blue tarp they smashed her apart took her head and something else and burned them in a cave  150 feet from where Joran buried her she still smelled like a decomposed body 

John went to the FBI he should get a Academy award for his fake performance to TJ almost crying because of what he did.
Kermit Thank You for all of your wonderful info
 I lost a lot of my info next time save in email form
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« Reply #1369 on: September 16, 2017, 08:57:45 PM »

Kermit do you still have that same email I have other rinfo on John but can get it anywhere photobucket is not working can find a good place to store pictures
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« Reply #1370 on: September 17, 2017, 10:37:09 AM »

'Natalee Holloway's Skull Burned In Aruba Cave In 2010'

Natalee Holloway's skull was burned in an Aruba cave in 2010, prime suspect Joran Van der Sloot's friend has said in a video. Holloway went missing in Aruba, a Dutch Carribean island off Venezuela, on May 30, 2005.

The fifth episode of the Oxygen series, “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway,” aired Saturday in which Van der Sloot's friend John Ludwick revealed what he and his friend Van der Sloot did with Holloway's remains. The series chronicles Holloway's father Dave's efforts to uncover the mystery behind his daughter's death. Dave, along with his private investigator T.J. Ward, worked for months to find new leads in the case.

Ludwick agreed to give out details about Holloway's death after an informant working with Ward recorded him saying that Van der Sloot paid him $1,500 to dig up Holloway’s body. Three people are believed to have played a part in her disappearance — Dutchman Van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. However, Van der Sloot was never charged due to lack of evidence.

In the clip that was shown on the show, Ludwick said Van der Sloot had initially discussed having Holloway's remains cremated. Even though it was illegal to bring in human remains for cremation in Aruba, Ludwick said some morgues would cremate pets. “The idea was to crush everything to the point where it wasn’t recognizable as her bones or skull or anything like that,” Ludwick said, explaining that he and Joran spent hours pummeling the bones. 

“The only thing that got burned was the skull to burn the hair fibers,” says John. “It was doused in gasoline in a fire pit in a cave.”

Earlier episodes revealed that Holloway's remains were mixed with that of a dog and were cremated. Days later, the ashes were likely scattered off the coast of Aruba, from where the teenager went missing in 2005.

Dave's 18-month long private investigation uncovered human skeletal remains at an undisclosed location in Aruba. Currently, the remains are being analyzed to check if it is linked to the case. An initial test found the human remains belonged to a single person of Caucasian and European descent. Natalee was Caucasian and of European descent.

“We’re going to have statistical probability and a confidence level that this is Natalee or not,” Forensic scientist Dr. Jason Kolowski told the Daily Mail last month. “We’re waiting on the lab to finalize the data, which they will deliver to me and I will try to turn the data around into results which I will then deliver to Dave.”

"Final DNA results are expected by late September or early October," he said. Holloway was legally declared dead in 2012 after Aruban authorities closed the case in 2008.



"The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway" airs Saturday 9 p.m. EDT on Oxygen.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-natalee-holloway-apos-skull-071634459.html
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« Reply #1371 on: September 17, 2017, 11:07:57 AM »

'Natalee Holloway's Skull Burned In Aruba Cave In 2010'

Natalee Holloway's skull was burned in an Aruba cave in 2010, prime suspect Joran Van der Sloot's friend has said in a video. Holloway went missing in Aruba, a Dutch Carribean island off Venezuela, on May 30, 2005.

The fifth episode of the Oxygen series, “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway,” aired Saturday in which Van der Sloot's friend John Ludwick revealed what he and his friend Van der Sloot did with Holloway's remains. The series chronicles Holloway's father Dave's efforts to uncover the mystery behind his daughter's death. Dave, along with his private investigator T.J. Ward, worked for months to find new leads in the case.

Ludwick agreed to give out details about Holloway's death after an informant working with Ward recorded him saying that Van der Sloot paid him $1,500 to dig up Holloway’s body. Three people are believed to have played a part in her disappearance — Dutchman Van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. weren't involved in this part However, Van der Sloot was never charged due to lack of evidence.

In the clip that was shown on the show, Ludwick said Van der Sloot had initially discussed having Holloway's remains cremated. Even though it was illegal to bring in human remains for cremation in Aruba, Ludwick said some morgues would cremate pets. “The idea was to crush everything to the point where it wasn’t recognizable as her bones or skull or anything like that,” Ludwick said, explaining that he and Joran spent hours pummeling the bones.   for 7 hours  

“The only thing that got burned was the skull to burn the hair fibers,” There was more to what was left of her says John. “It was doused in gasoline in a fire pit in a cave.” Their is more to this it was not only what they are saying not a cave bunch of overhung trees that looked like a cave John was high on heroin got confused

Earlier episodes revealed that Holloway's remains were mixed with that of a dog and were cremated. Days later, the ashes were likely scattered off the coast of Aruba, from where the teenager went missing in 2005. Not true

Dave's 18-month long private investigation uncovered human skeletal remains at an undisclosed location in Aruba. Currently, the remains are being analyzed to check if it is linked to the case. An initial test found the human remains belonged to a single person of Caucasian and European descent. Natalee was Caucasian and of European descent.

“We’re going to have statistical probability and a confidence level that this is Natalee or not,” Forensic scientist Dr. Jason Kolowski told the Daily Mail last month. “We’re waiting on the lab to finalize the data, which they will deliver to me and I will try to turn the data around into results which I will then deliver to Dave.”

"Final DNA results are expected by late September or early October," he said. Holloway was legally declared dead in 2012 after Aruban authorities closed the case in 2008.


There is still More of Natalee hidden in Aruba only John knows were it is he's going to want $$ for his time and compensated for his expenses he's smart for a junkie because that's not extortion

 Natalee was Not buried she was not underground  but put to rest on that cul-de-sac and not found. Hidden in plain sight  

From what I saw it was hard to remember where she was because the vegetation growth and the fact it was 7 years later.
They had markers like a heart rock and then counted steps TJ got it all wrong and left he gave up..
John went back to Aruba John wanted to get paid John for his time.
It took a while for them to find because of the steps  the vegetation growth and the fact it was 7 years later. Also John was high when he did this 7 years ago things were not so clear now..
John was getting nightmares of Natalee he said he wanted to come clean??? but be paid


"The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway" airs Saturday 9 p.m. EDT on Oxygen.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/apos-natalee-holloway-apos-skull-071634459.html


What they dug up and did to Natalee is beyond anything you could imagine, it's terrible
I pray that Joran & John get what they deserve  
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« Reply #1372 on: September 17, 2017, 01:18:02 PM »

The Disappearance of: Natalee Holloway
Produced by Brian Graden Media with Brian Graden, Dave Mace, LB Horschler and Alex Weresow serving as Executive Producers.
Since her mysterious disappearance, Natalee’s family has been plagued by false leads and confessions of what happened that night. Then, two years ago, Natalee’s father Dave Holloway, was presented with the most promising lead to date. A first-hand account from someone who claims to actually know the specifics of what happened to herand the remains of her body. This could be Dave Holloway’s final chance at getting justice for his daughter and finally having peace for his family after so many years. This six-part series will follow Dave Holloway and a private investigator as they delve into this new lead. This riveting and shocking series will be an active journey with new evidence, never-before-seen footage, and real potential for resolution.

http://deadline.com/2017/05/oxygen-crime-programming-slate-ice-t-nancy-grace-dateline-development-1202089342/


I'm hoping there is NO SEASON 2
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« Reply #1373 on: September 17, 2017, 01:25:00 PM »

He posted this. I cannot provide a link (for obvious reasons, but thought while
it is posted ya'll can see that it looks like Surinam is no longer going to be
in Aruba. HA HA.

"Nelson O Oduber Jr.
22 mins ·
f*** Surinam Airways (Official) you guys officially suck donkey balls! Thanks for cancelling flights and not being organized . Big FU Surinam Airways 😡😡😡😡"
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« Reply #1374 on: September 17, 2017, 01:26:46 PM »

Kermit do you still have that same email I have other rinfo on John but can get it anywhere photobucket is not working can find a good place to store pictures

Which email? Not sure what you mean.
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« Reply #1375 on: September 17, 2017, 02:36:29 PM »

Kermit do you still have that same email I have other rinfo on John but can get it anywhere photobucket is not working can find a good place to store pictures

Which email? Not sure what you mean.
You had given me a email years ago
also your phone # that is out of order now
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« Reply #1377 on: September 17, 2017, 05:22:23 PM »

I was so hopeful until I saw last night's episode. John hasn't told a consistent story, and if the story he told TJ is lies how disgusting to put that kind of nastiness into the universe. What a piece of crap. Someone said (I think TJ)  John's story passed lie detection software or whatever, but how can it when the story changes every time he tells it? And his eyes say he is looking off into space searching for his next "line of bull". I guess we'll see next week but I'm with most here now, not believing. And why a second season? gah, so frustrating

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« Reply #1378 on: September 17, 2017, 06:14:11 PM »

hope it is ok to post this,if not take it down

searching Gabe, i see he has a go fund pg,for daughter with cancer
you guys on his FB pg should pass this along to him, his duaghter
prob is eligible
 https://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/13.00-NeoplasticDiseases-Malignant-Adult.htm

https://www.gofundme.com/gabesway
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« Reply #1379 on: September 17, 2017, 06:23:46 PM »

hope it is ok to post this,if not take it down

searching Gabe, i see he has a go fund pg,for daughter with cancer
you guys on his FB pg should pass this along to him, his duaghter
prob is eligible
 https://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/13.00-NeoplasticDiseases-Malignant-Adult.htm

https://www.gofundme.com/gabesway

His gofundme's were posted here before the first episode aired.  He's changed the wording quite a bit since it was posted originally, not sure who specifically, but someone complained about Natalee's name being used to raise funds in that manner.  He said he took his daughter's name out too because of threats, etc.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14615.msg1614974#msg1614974

This is an archived post for a gofundme he had named Bring Natalee Home.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=14615.msg1614917#msg1614917
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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