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« Reply #1440 on: September 29, 2017, 09:50:40 PM »

https://www.facebook.com/HelpTheMissing/photos/a.134644599887359.18888.123013127717173/783589868326159/?type=3&permPage=1



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1441 on: September 29, 2017, 10:02:40 PM »

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/need-passport-vacation-aruba-107264.html


The Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative made it more difficult for American citizens to travel outside the United States. The Department of Homeland Security completely adopted the new travel restrictions in 2009 and now U.S. citizens must show a passport book or passport card to leave the United States. Aruba has its own required documents. Travelers must satisfy both.
 

 

 
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« Reply #1442 on: September 29, 2017, 10:45:53 PM »

So it's very possible that anybody could have gone in and out of Aruba before 2009 with just a license this makes it way more interesting to me plus the fact that I was told me to take it off now because I was going to start a conspiracy theory and they didn't want that very interesting you know how we like that
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« Reply #1443 on: September 29, 2017, 11:29:52 PM »

If John was involved in 2005, he would not have stayed out of sight out of mind until 2010 unless he was incarcerated, imo.  Too much publicity, and he is an attention seeker.  Who is John's aunt that owns the rental property on Aruba?  Don't think I've ever seen anyone say in all I've read, so I don't know anything about her or how long she's been there or owned property there, or if she's actually ever lived there.  If she has a real estate business, the chamber registry should show how long she's been in business etc.  I remember John talking about he and Joran being at the real estate office and working by putting out signs for them, but I don't know if it was his aunt's business or not.  May be a dead end, but could shed some light on how long he could have legitimately been going there with or to visit family.     
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1444 on: September 30, 2017, 12:00:12 AM »

If John was involved in 2005, he would not have stayed out of sight out of mind until 2010 unless he was incarcerated, imo.  Too much publicity, and he is an attention seeker.  Who is John's aunt that owns the rental property on Aruba?  Don't think I've ever seen anyone say in all I've read, so I don't know anything about her or how long she's been there or owned property there, or if she's actually ever lived there.  If she has a real estate business, the chamber registry should show how long she's been in business etc.  I remember John talking about he and Joran being at the real estate office and working by putting out signs for them, but I don't know if it was his aunt's business or not.  May be a dead end, but could shed some light on how long he could have legitimately been going there with or to visit family.    

the blog blonde posted mentions aunt name is, Mary Ellen Walter.

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John Ludwick was probably in Aruba in 2005, although there are no evidence yet. As in 2010 (and possibly in intermediate years), he lived in the summer with his aunt Mary Ellen Walter. So he lived more or less alone with his aunt, as Joran says in the documentary of Peter R. de Vries. The graduation at Intermont is always in early May, after which it is a holiday.
https://joransprakdewaarheid.blogspot.nl/2017/09/did-joran-speak-truth.html

spoke to friend again about passport,as i didnt know if they flew or cruise
and if that made a dif, he says they always carried their PP even on us V islands
or territories just in case. he said in 2007 you still didnt need your PP from US
but homeland made a rule/law you had to carry it, see link

U.S. State Department and the Department of Homeland Security Mandates All Travelers Entering or Re-Entering the U.S. from the Caribbean to Carry Passports Starting December 31, 2005

The U.S. State Department and the Department Homeland Security recently announced the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, which will require all U.S. citizens and foreign nationals, to carry a passport or other accepted secure documents to enter or re-enter the U.S. from vacations or business travel anywhere in the Caribbean, Bermuda and Central and South America, effective December 31, 2005. * This requirement is applied to all travel (air/sea).
http://news.visitaruba.com/news/us-government-initiative-requires-passports-for-us-citizens-traveling-to-caribbean-by-end-of-2005/
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« Reply #1445 on: September 30, 2017, 08:57:34 AM »

This was in Dutch translated to English so a lots of words get lost in translation



All I know for a fact is Natalee is Dead she died in Aruba
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« Reply #1446 on: September 30, 2017, 09:14:55 AM »

https://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowTopic...uba-Aruba.html

Yes up to, well into 2005?
yep just a drivers license and
birth certificate with a raised seal
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« Reply #1447 on: September 30, 2017, 10:49:04 AM »

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/robert-penick-obituary?pid=1000000185350642

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Our prayers are with the Penick Family in the passing of Robert who was a thoughtful and caring neighbor. RIP Robert on behalf of the Walter family.

Sorry to miss his funeral as I am in Aruba.
Mary Ellen Walter
May 12, 2017 | Alexandria, VA

She is John's mom's sister.
http://www.tributes.com/obituary/show/Ellen-C.-Walter-95525964

https://www.findyello.com/Aruba/White-Pages/Marys-Bakery/1?s=0

 

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1448 on: September 30, 2017, 11:54:58 AM »

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/robert-penick-obituary?pid=1000000185350642

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Our prayers are with the Penick Family in the passing of Robert who was a thoughtful and caring neighbor. RIP Robert on behalf of the Walter family.

Sorry to miss his funeral as I am in Aruba.
Mary Ellen Walter
May 12, 2017 | Alexandria, VA

She is John's mom's sister.
http://www.tributes.com/obituary/show/Ellen-C.-Walter-95525964

https://www.findyello.com/Aruba/White-Pages/Marys-Bakery/1?s=0

 

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Mary Ellen is John aunt . Its her house in Aruba.. I have that saved in my notes no link sorry

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« Reply #1449 on: October 01, 2017, 11:30:36 AM »

So... If the Aunt's house is located on Alto Vista,
then I was was way off wrt the Urataka area?

Rather, the site is close to the Alto Vista water tank?


http://google-maps.pro/satellite/Aruba#12.570632,-70.024958,17

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« Reply #1450 on: October 01, 2017, 05:19:04 PM »

on this gmap of Alto Vista 26 U Aruba & Alto Vista water tank
there is a photo sphere 360, a little to the right of the 26 in
Alto Vista 26
ill have to watch the vid again when Dave and co. are looking
for the site with Gabe. i know the area looks just about the same
when in the scrub and cacti there
you have to zoom in a little to lite the dot up
it works in the map blonde posted too, i just couldnt save the 360

this is what it looks like
https://goo.gl/maps/34mqL42oRW32

Alto Vista 26 U Aruba & Alto Vista water tank
https://goo.gl/maps/NLxp3XnwLw82
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« Reply #1451 on: October 01, 2017, 09:03:02 PM »

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The VDS home is located approx. ˝ mile from my home. It is in my estimate approx 10 years old. It is not one of the old cunucu style / type homes that has a cistern, they get their water from the same source that I do, the Alto Vista water tank.
No outhouses that I have ever seen, except for the port-a-potty’s at construction sites. My first home when I moved here was approx. 40 years old, same type of septic tank I have in my new, one year old home, with a 4 inch opening, no manholes to climb down into it, no way to fit anything larger than 4 inch into.

No oil wells here, this place is solid “clip”, granite rock.

Our water plant is the second largest desalination plant in the world, and yes the water is the best in the world.
http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=21010#post21010

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« Reply #1452 on: October 01, 2017, 09:35:55 PM »

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Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #859 6/13 -
« Reply #968 on: August 28, 2011, 03:44:47 AM »
If you've never seen inside the Alto Vista Chapel, this link has a cool 360 degree feature (on the right side of the page) that lets you look inside it.  If you click on it after it starts, the picture will go to full screen.
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/discover/attractions-and-sights/Alto-Vista-Chapel.html
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=vsmloadvps586sfnub4itce3u1&topic=9791.msg1465150#msg1465150


August 22, 2011 2:36 PM
Aruba launches new search for missing woman Robyn Gardner
I think that would be in the area of the Alto Vista Chapel, Natural Bridge...etc?
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=vsmloadvps586sfnub4itce3u1&topic=11942.msg1463708#msg1463708


This is from Beth when she wrote about going to
the Chapel:

"The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel.  When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free"

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=vsmloadvps586sfnub4itce3u1&topic=9630.msg1330303#msg1330303



THIS REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION:
Early the next morning as he was arriving to the location on the same road as the Alto Vista Chapel he ran into Paul Van Der Sloot in his jeep who he made direct eye contact with.  It has always bothered me as I wondered what was PVDS doing up so early in the morning in that location.
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=vsmloadvps586sfnub4itce3u1&topic=2050.msg270532#msg270532
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« Reply #1453 on: October 01, 2017, 09:40:45 PM »

I don't know, but something about this Alto Vista, look at the map, there is
nothing around there. Perfect place to dig a hole and put a body. And why
would Paulus be out there?
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« Reply #1454 on: October 01, 2017, 10:17:53 PM »

Thank you thank you I knew you girls are better with maps than I was
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« Reply #1455 on: October 01, 2017, 10:22:07 PM »

Thank you thank you I knew you girls are better with maps than I was

Tomorrow I will do some research on this and see what I have saved sometimes if I'm real quick I can get into my Photobucket hurry up right click and download the picture
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« Reply #1456 on: October 02, 2017, 07:54:36 AM »

Blonde found this photo on Anita's facebook page and thought it almost looks like the site of a shallow grave.  I told Blonde I'd post it for her.

https://www.facebook.com/hugen1




someone say water tank Anita's facebook page
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« Reply #1457 on: October 02, 2017, 08:07:12 AM »

This was in Dutch translated to English so a lots of words get lost in translation

I now think this could have been especially after receiving a text from Gabe
(Yea but immigration records don't lie john was never there in 2005 like you are claiming his very first time was late 2009  we have immigration records.
 So stop saying he was there back in 2005

He wasent but you know more than me so why don't you tell the world ok bye don't have time for this conspiracy theories )

BLOCKED  I have found it you don't agree with G he blocks you you can't have a mind of you own overin G land #teamgabe what ever that is  

Also his girls or I call the the others defend him to the death.
 Almost like Manson followers Yikes 

This Dutch guy who wrote the article has some good points, he has found my body in the bag pictures from the internet he added them to his story.
His story is based on theory it doesn't match up with 
G and JL story  so G is saying it's all bull

All I know for a fact is Natalee is Dead she died in Aruba

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« Reply #1458 on: October 02, 2017, 01:49:50 PM »

Blonde found this photo on Anita's facebook page and thought it almost looks like the site of a shallow grave.  I told Blonde I'd post it for her.

https://www.facebook.com/hugen1




someone say water tank Anita's facebook page

This is all very interesting and worth looking into, I think.
I just remembered something from way back at the beginning -
hidden in plain view!



Thank you Klassand for the map.

I see that the house is on the market for sale.
https://www.remax-caribbeanislands.com/aruba/noord/AltoVista2-00130282051


Joran would be familiar with that area, as well as his dad.
Plus no one would be around at night or early morning.
Hidden in plain site. What if Paulus buried her in that area.
I mean we've checked and double checked everything else. And
when you look at the maps of that area, very difficult to find a body
that was buried. Geez, I wonder if that was all searched with cadaver dogs?

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« Reply #968 on: August 28, 2011, 03:44:47 AM »
If you've never seen inside the Alto Vista Chapel, this link has a cool 360 degree feature (on the right side of the page) that lets you look inside it.  If you click on it after it starts, the picture will go to full screen.
http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/discover/attractions-and-sights/Alto-Vista-Chapel.html
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=vsmloadvps586sfnub4itce3u1&topic=9791.msg1465150#msg1465150


August 22, 2011 2:36 PM
Aruba launches new search for missing woman Robyn Gardner
I think that would be in the area of the Alto Vista Chapel, Natural Bridge...etc?
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=vsmloadvps586sfnub4itce3u1&topic=11942.msg1463708#msg1463708


This is from Beth when she wrote about going to
the Chapel:

"The sun is up as I reach the top of the hill to see the Alto Vista chapel.  When I step onto the chapel grounds I am free"

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=vsmloadvps586sfnub4itce3u1&topic=9630.msg1330303#msg1330303



THIS REALLY CAUGHT MY ATTENTION:
Early the next morning as he was arriving to the location on the same road as the Alto Vista Chapel he ran into Paul Van Der Sloot in his jeep who he made direct eye contact with.  It has always bothered me as I wondered what was PVDS doing up so early in the morning in that location.
http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?PHPSESSID=vsmloadvps586sfnub4itce3u1&topic=2050.msg270532#msg270532


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